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The KVSN website is still up, so what will happen to their staff?
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> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/244314_radiobeat13.html
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> The KVSN website is still up, so what will happen to their
> staff?
Being a now former religious station, God only knows...
>
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>
> The KVSN website is still up, so what will happen to their
> staff?
Being a now former religious station, God only knows...
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Horse Sense: What a horse has that keeps it from betting on people.
[email protected]
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> > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/244314_radiobeat13.html
> >
> > The KVSN website is still up, so what will happen to their
>
> > staff?
>
> Being a now former religious station, God only knows...
> >
>
If the problem is KUOW's signal strength, why don't they upgrade their facility?
They are well below their maximum height for a C1 (I have problems hearing them on a car radio clearly in Issaquah)and I end up listening to KPLU if I want to hear NPR. The Tower location on Madison Street is not good (I believe there are also VHF channels at that site)
Even as a C-1 KUOW's signal could be improved if they moved to Cougar Mountain and had similar facilites (1300' @ 50,000 Watts) as WWRM and KCMS (both are C-1's as well) Comments?
BTW; I still don;t understand why Seattle's televison stations don't broadcast from Tiger or Cougar mountain.. There must be no way folks in Olympia can get reliable over-the-air signals.
Tom S
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> >
> > The KVSN website is still up, so what will happen to their
>
> > staff?
>
> Being a now former religious station, God only knows...
> >
>
If the problem is KUOW's signal strength, why don't they upgrade their facility?
They are well below their maximum height for a C1 (I have problems hearing them on a car radio clearly in Issaquah)and I end up listening to KPLU if I want to hear NPR. The Tower location on Madison Street is not good (I believe there are also VHF channels at that site)
Even as a C-1 KUOW's signal could be improved if they moved to Cougar Mountain and had similar facilites (1300' @ 50,000 Watts) as WWRM and KCMS (both are C-1's as well) Comments?
BTW; I still don;t understand why Seattle's televison stations don't broadcast from Tiger or Cougar mountain.. There must be no way folks in Olympia can get reliable over-the-air signals.
Tom S
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KUOW - Strangest thing I ever saw
A reply to the KUOW-AM thread mentioned the Madison Ave. tower. Yes, 3 VHF TV are on that block also - a total of 3 towers.
Until a year ago, I lived about 600 feet from the base of KUOW's tower. (I moved to Northgate).
Last summer, KUOW hung new antennas. I went in my backyard, and the strangest sound was heard. A LOUD gas engine, but it seemed to be coming from everywhere, not where you would think it would be coming from, or really from any 1 direction. It was all encompassing, for lack of a better term.
Looking up, I saw one of those big, trailer mounted, gas powered air compressors hanging 600 feet in the air off the side of KUOW's tower! Strangest place you would think to see one of those. The cable was so thin (in comparison looking from the ground) it appeared this thing was just hovering on its own.
When I took a picture with my zoom lens, I noticed "Handy Andy's Rental". I could'nt help but wonder if they knew where their compressor was? (and why they did'nt rent one with a muffler?)
Anything to get the job done, right?
A reply to the KUOW-AM thread mentioned the Madison Ave. tower. Yes, 3 VHF TV are on that block also - a total of 3 towers.
Until a year ago, I lived about 600 feet from the base of KUOW's tower. (I moved to Northgate).
Last summer, KUOW hung new antennas. I went in my backyard, and the strangest sound was heard. A LOUD gas engine, but it seemed to be coming from everywhere, not where you would think it would be coming from, or really from any 1 direction. It was all encompassing, for lack of a better term.
Looking up, I saw one of those big, trailer mounted, gas powered air compressors hanging 600 feet in the air off the side of KUOW's tower! Strangest place you would think to see one of those. The cable was so thin (in comparison looking from the ground) it appeared this thing was just hovering on its own.
When I took a picture with my zoom lens, I noticed "Handy Andy's Rental". I could'nt help but wonder if they knew where their compressor was? (and why they did'nt rent one with a muffler?)
Anything to get the job done, right?
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Re: KUOW, Can they upgrade?
Can KUOW 94.9 upgrade to Class C or C-0 from either TIger mountain or Cougar mountain. KUOW has a good signal in the SEATTLE CITY LIMITS ONLY. Outside Seattle, KUOW sounds like hssss......sppooofotttas... static. KUOW and KEXP are the only FM stations left that still transmits from Seattle.
Can KUOW 94.9 upgrade to Class C or C-0 from either TIger mountain or Cougar mountain. KUOW has a good signal in the SEATTLE CITY LIMITS ONLY. Outside Seattle, KUOW sounds like hssss......sppooofotttas... static. KUOW and KEXP are the only FM stations left that still transmits from Seattle.
Re: KUOW, Can they upgrade?
> Can KUOW 94.9 upgrade to Class C or C-0 from either TIger
> mountain or Cougar mountain. KUOW has a good signal in the
> SEATTLE CITY LIMITS ONLY. Outside Seattle, KUOW sounds like
> hssss......sppooofotttas... static. KUOW and KEXP are the
> only FM stations left that still transmits from Seattle.
I know. Capitol Hill is the WORST place to put an FM tower. KUOW's signal is all multipathed to hell by the time you get to the Aurora Village/Snohomish County line on I-5. Gold Mountain (home of KCPQ/KTBW-TVs and the first KHIT towers) is still the BEST, with almost crystal clear reception of KHIT/KCPQ-TV in such Seattle FM/TV dead-zones as West Seattle, downtown Everett and downtown Bellingham and Vancouver, BC as far south as the Oregon coast and even parts of Central WA.
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> Can KUOW 94.9 upgrade to Class C or C-0 from either TIger
> mountain or Cougar mountain. KUOW has a good signal in the
> SEATTLE CITY LIMITS ONLY. Outside Seattle, KUOW sounds like
> hssss......sppooofotttas... static. KUOW and KEXP are the
> only FM stations left that still transmits from Seattle.
I know. Capitol Hill is the WORST place to put an FM tower. KUOW's signal is all multipathed to hell by the time you get to the Aurora Village/Snohomish County line on I-5. Gold Mountain (home of KCPQ/KTBW-TVs and the first KHIT towers) is still the BEST, with almost crystal clear reception of KHIT/KCPQ-TV in such Seattle FM/TV dead-zones as West Seattle, downtown Everett and downtown Bellingham and Vancouver, BC as far south as the Oregon coast and even parts of Central WA.
>
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Re: KUOW, Can they upgrade?
> Can KUOW 94.9 upgrade to Class C or C-0 from either TIger
> mountain or Cougar mountain. KUOW has a good signal in the
> SEATTLE CITY LIMITS ONLY. Outside Seattle, KUOW sounds like
> hssss......sppooofotttas... static. KUOW and KEXP are the
> only FM stations left that still transmits from Seattle.
>
Dude, slow down lol...
I swear you have like 30 different questions on different boards about "can they upgrade, why do they do this, where is a good...."...do you sleep much? Curiosity is a good thing I suppose, but maybe you should take a breather...smell some flowers...hit on some women...watch a football game? lol
> Can KUOW 94.9 upgrade to Class C or C-0 from either TIger
> mountain or Cougar mountain. KUOW has a good signal in the
> SEATTLE CITY LIMITS ONLY. Outside Seattle, KUOW sounds like
> hssss......sppooofotttas... static. KUOW and KEXP are the
> only FM stations left that still transmits from Seattle.
>
Dude, slow down lol...
I swear you have like 30 different questions on different boards about "can they upgrade, why do they do this, where is a good...."...do you sleep much? Curiosity is a good thing I suppose, but maybe you should take a breather...smell some flowers...hit on some women...watch a football game? lol
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Technical correctons to this thread
There are three towers on Capitol Hill, but they are propping up 2 VHF's (KCTS-9 and KSTW-11) as well as UHF station KTWB-22. Those three stations all have their UHF DTV signals on their respective towers as well; there is also the Three Angels station on 68 plus lots of paging and two way antennas.
As far as off-air reception is concerned, there is NO off-air of KCPQ in most areas of downtown Everett, unless you are on Marine View Drive right along the water. As an SNG/ENG operator, I have set the remote trucks up in many areas of Everett over the last 5 years, and get virtually nothing from KCPQ on the rabbit ears of the monitor or the amplified RV antenna on the mast. I don't even bother to pull the monitor out any more in most parts of Everett. In fact, most of the Seattle stations come in very poorly in Everett- only the Tiger Mt. stations come in, as well as the KIRO and KTWB translators.
Olympia is a far easier place to pull in an off-air signal from the Seattle stations, with KCPQ looking perfect in most places and the other VHF signals looking pretty good considering they are being pulled in with rabbit ears or the RV antenna.
>
There are three towers on Capitol Hill, but they are propping up 2 VHF's (KCTS-9 and KSTW-11) as well as UHF station KTWB-22. Those three stations all have their UHF DTV signals on their respective towers as well; there is also the Three Angels station on 68 plus lots of paging and two way antennas.
As far as off-air reception is concerned, there is NO off-air of KCPQ in most areas of downtown Everett, unless you are on Marine View Drive right along the water. As an SNG/ENG operator, I have set the remote trucks up in many areas of Everett over the last 5 years, and get virtually nothing from KCPQ on the rabbit ears of the monitor or the amplified RV antenna on the mast. I don't even bother to pull the monitor out any more in most parts of Everett. In fact, most of the Seattle stations come in very poorly in Everett- only the Tiger Mt. stations come in, as well as the KIRO and KTWB translators.
Olympia is a far easier place to pull in an off-air signal from the Seattle stations, with KCPQ looking perfect in most places and the other VHF signals looking pretty good considering they are being pulled in with rabbit ears or the RV antenna.
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> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/244314_radiobeat13.html
>
> The KVSN website is still up, so what will happen to their
> staff?
>
He's looking for another job.
>
> The KVSN website is still up, so what will happen to their
> staff?
>
He's looking for another job.
Re: Technical correctons to this thread
> As an
> SNG/ENG operator, I have set the remote trucks up in many
> areas of Everett over the last 5 years, and get virtually
> nothing from KCPQ on the rabbit ears of the monitor or the
> amplified RV antenna on the mast. I don't even bother to
> pull the monitor out any more in most parts of Everett. In
> fact, most of the Seattle stations come in very poorly in
> Everett- only the Tiger Mt. stations come in, as well as the
> KIRO and KTWB translators.
So I'm curious...does that mean you have a two-way feed when setting up SNG/ENG gear and can take a feed FROM that link to give talent a cue as an alternative to setting up an off-air monitor?
Also curious how long it generally takes when a truck arrives until you are able to feed a signal back to newsroom?
I'm REALLY interested that some engineers are showing up and offering some insight as it's a side of the business I have always wanted to learn more about. Have always felt very guilty taking operations "for granted" and always enjoyed chances to go visit xmitter sites and see how new technology works. Thanks for offering your knowledge on these threads...I find it fascinating!
> As an
> SNG/ENG operator, I have set the remote trucks up in many
> areas of Everett over the last 5 years, and get virtually
> nothing from KCPQ on the rabbit ears of the monitor or the
> amplified RV antenna on the mast. I don't even bother to
> pull the monitor out any more in most parts of Everett. In
> fact, most of the Seattle stations come in very poorly in
> Everett- only the Tiger Mt. stations come in, as well as the
> KIRO and KTWB translators.
So I'm curious...does that mean you have a two-way feed when setting up SNG/ENG gear and can take a feed FROM that link to give talent a cue as an alternative to setting up an off-air monitor?
Also curious how long it generally takes when a truck arrives until you are able to feed a signal back to newsroom?
I'm REALLY interested that some engineers are showing up and offering some insight as it's a side of the business I have always wanted to learn more about. Have always felt very guilty taking operations "for granted" and always enjoyed chances to go visit xmitter sites and see how new technology works. Thanks for offering your knowledge on these threads...I find it fascinating!
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marge
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Re: Technical correctons to this thread
> > As an
> > SNG/ENG operator, I have set the remote trucks up in many
> > areas of Everett over the last 5 years, and get virtually
> > nothing from KCPQ on the rabbit ears of the monitor or the
>
> > amplified RV antenna on the mast. I don't even bother to
> > pull the monitor out any more in most parts of Everett.
> In
> > fact, most of the Seattle stations come in very poorly in
> > Everett- only the Tiger Mt. stations come in, as well as
> the
> > KIRO and KTWB translators.
>
>
> So I'm curious...does that mean you have a two-way feed when
> setting up SNG/ENG gear and can take a feed FROM that link
> to give talent a cue as an alternative to setting up an
> off-air monitor?
>
> Also curious how long it generally takes when a truck
> arrives until you are able to feed a signal back to
> newsroom?
>
>
> I'm REALLY interested that some engineers are showing up and
> offering some insight as it's a side of the business I have
> always wanted to learn more about. Have always felt very
> guilty taking operations "for granted" and always enjoyed
> chances to go visit xmitter sites and see how new technology
> works. Thanks for offering your knowledge on these
> threads...I find it fascinating!
>
#1- An off air monitor is a bonus if you can get reception; sort of a backup. What we do need is a cell phone or satellite phone signal. We then dial up and connect to the audio board back at the station and get a program feed down the phone line which is then sent to the reporter and photographer. The audio feed contains director cues and all of the audio information EXCEPT for the reporters voice, so it is a mix-minus feed. That way the reporter doesn't hear themselves a second later in their ear, which is highly distracting. If you ever see a reporter stumble and then yank the cord out of their ear, chances are good that they got a mix-plus (themselves) feed in their ear, which can happen when something goes wrong. In rare cases off-air can be used for cueing if there is no cell service or whatever. At that point it helps to have a truck operator who can turn down the off air feed when the reporter starts. I'm not sure how talent cueing happened before the advent of cell phones. It may have been via two-way radio. I think KIRO had a system in place for many years which broadcast their TV news audio minus all reporters but plus directors cues on a two-way radio frequency. Fox Nuisance Channel has that sort of system in place on the satellite that they use for their live shots.
#2- I have been up on the air on a satellite feeding back a live shot 12 minutes after squealing into a parking lot. That's 12 minutes to start the generator, power up the racks, deploy the satellite dish, deploy the jacks, find and peak up on the satellite, set the transmitting frequency and other transmission details, dial up IFB, run audio, video and power cables and set up the microphone and monitor. That's not how we like to do things everytime, however. I usually like to arrive at least a half hour before our first live hit or tape feed.
> > As an
> > SNG/ENG operator, I have set the remote trucks up in many
> > areas of Everett over the last 5 years, and get virtually
> > nothing from KCPQ on the rabbit ears of the monitor or the
>
> > amplified RV antenna on the mast. I don't even bother to
> > pull the monitor out any more in most parts of Everett.
> In
> > fact, most of the Seattle stations come in very poorly in
> > Everett- only the Tiger Mt. stations come in, as well as
> the
> > KIRO and KTWB translators.
>
>
> So I'm curious...does that mean you have a two-way feed when
> setting up SNG/ENG gear and can take a feed FROM that link
> to give talent a cue as an alternative to setting up an
> off-air monitor?
>
> Also curious how long it generally takes when a truck
> arrives until you are able to feed a signal back to
> newsroom?
>
>
> I'm REALLY interested that some engineers are showing up and
> offering some insight as it's a side of the business I have
> always wanted to learn more about. Have always felt very
> guilty taking operations "for granted" and always enjoyed
> chances to go visit xmitter sites and see how new technology
> works. Thanks for offering your knowledge on these
> threads...I find it fascinating!
>
#1- An off air monitor is a bonus if you can get reception; sort of a backup. What we do need is a cell phone or satellite phone signal. We then dial up and connect to the audio board back at the station and get a program feed down the phone line which is then sent to the reporter and photographer. The audio feed contains director cues and all of the audio information EXCEPT for the reporters voice, so it is a mix-minus feed. That way the reporter doesn't hear themselves a second later in their ear, which is highly distracting. If you ever see a reporter stumble and then yank the cord out of their ear, chances are good that they got a mix-plus (themselves) feed in their ear, which can happen when something goes wrong. In rare cases off-air can be used for cueing if there is no cell service or whatever. At that point it helps to have a truck operator who can turn down the off air feed when the reporter starts. I'm not sure how talent cueing happened before the advent of cell phones. It may have been via two-way radio. I think KIRO had a system in place for many years which broadcast their TV news audio minus all reporters but plus directors cues on a two-way radio frequency. Fox Nuisance Channel has that sort of system in place on the satellite that they use for their live shots.
#2- I have been up on the air on a satellite feeding back a live shot 12 minutes after squealing into a parking lot. That's 12 minutes to start the generator, power up the racks, deploy the satellite dish, deploy the jacks, find and peak up on the satellite, set the transmitting frequency and other transmission details, dial up IFB, run audio, video and power cables and set up the microphone and monitor. That's not how we like to do things everytime, however. I usually like to arrive at least a half hour before our first live hit or tape feed.
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