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KWDA LIGHTS UP IN DALLAS
- Thread starter Bob E. Nelson
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JHBrandt said:
As of last night, 30.9/21.6 was gone again. It was only there a few days and never had programming or even a label, so it was probably just a mistake that's been fixed now.
Now if they'd move Vision Celestial from .5 to .4 so the programming matches the label, they could get rid of unlabeled .5 too. All that would remain is to get programming on .1.
Re: Oh, for crying out loud....
I was wrong about that - 30.6 isn't Almavision, it's a simulcast of KPFW's 18.1 & 18.3. And since 30.3 is a simulcast of 18.2, and 18.4 is color bars, and KPFW/18's signal is weaker than KWDA/30 (which still baffles me, BTW) I have to wonder what's the point of KPFW? It does have a good signal; perhaps jemir.org should sell it if LMO Christian will keep their programming on KWDA/30.
I also have to wonder why LMO Christian would want to move KQFW/7 to out-of-core channel 56 in Garland. It'd make more sense to keep it in the Texoma area.
At least 30.2 is fixed now....
JHBrandt said:... (Looks like Almavision, formerly on 34.2.) But .2 is a computer media player window.... :
I was wrong about that - 30.6 isn't Almavision, it's a simulcast of KPFW's 18.1 & 18.3. And since 30.3 is a simulcast of 18.2, and 18.4 is color bars, and KPFW/18's signal is weaker than KWDA/30 (which still baffles me, BTW) I have to wonder what's the point of KPFW? It does have a good signal; perhaps jemir.org should sell it if LMO Christian will keep their programming on KWDA/30.
I also have to wonder why LMO Christian would want to move KQFW/7 to out-of-core channel 56 in Garland. It'd make more sense to keep it in the Texoma area.
At least 30.2 is fixed now....
Re: Oh, for crying out loud....
And now there's yet another subchannel, appearing as either 21.7 or 30.8 depending on your receiver. No programming yet.
State of play:
21.1/30.1: "Dios TV" (no programming yet)
21.2/30.2: "Vida Vision"
21.3/30.3: "MCTV" (simulcast of 18.2)
21.4/30.4: "Vision Celestial" animated logo
21.5/30.5: Vision Celestial programming
21.6/30.6: simulcast of 18.1 & 18.3
21.7/30.8: no programming yet
JHBrandt said:
And now there's yet another subchannel, appearing as either 21.7 or 30.8 depending on your receiver. No programming yet.
State of play:
21.1/30.1: "Dios TV" (no programming yet)
21.2/30.2: "Vida Vision"
21.3/30.3: "MCTV" (simulcast of 18.2)
21.4/30.4: "Vision Celestial" animated logo
21.5/30.5: Vision Celestial programming
21.6/30.6: simulcast of 18.1 & 18.3
21.7/30.8: no programming yet
Re: Oh, for crying out loud....
Good to know. Hopefully LMO Christian will do the sensible thing: drop the matter and keep KQFW on channel 7 in Texoma.
Incidentally, that'll make life a bit easier for antenna manufacturers. We should see new UHF antennas optimized for channels 14-51 instead of 14-69. The narrower frequency range will allow for some improvement in performance.
dhett said:
Good to know. Hopefully LMO Christian will do the sensible thing: drop the matter and keep KQFW on channel 7 in Texoma.
Incidentally, that'll make life a bit easier for antenna manufacturers. We should see new UHF antennas optimized for channels 14-51 instead of 14-69. The narrower frequency range will allow for some improvement in performance.
Re: Oh, for crying out loud....
Not sure antenna manufacturers will change anything until we all find out in what manner the FCC will shove the National Broadband Plan down all our throats. They may need to optimize UHF for channels 14-30 only, but will definitely need a VHF component because that's where the FCC wants TV stations at.
BTW, I should clarify my earlier remark: stations must submit their applications by Sept. 1 to clear the 700 MHz band; they have until Dec. 31 to actually do it.
JHBrandt said:
Not sure antenna manufacturers will change anything until we all find out in what manner the FCC will shove the National Broadband Plan down all our throats. They may need to optimize UHF for channels 14-30 only, but will definitely need a VHF component because that's where the FCC wants TV stations at.
BTW, I should clarify my earlier remark: stations must submit their applications by Sept. 1 to clear the 700 MHz band; they have until Dec. 31 to actually do it.
Re: Oh, for crying out loud....
I just skimmed over the NBP. At first it sounds great: 300 MHz more wireless broadband spectrum in the next 5 years - until you get waay down to the part where the biggest single chunk (120 MHz) will come from broadcast TV yet again. Now I know what those NAB "call Congress" ads are talking about
Even though DFW has a glut of TV bandwidth at the moment, 20 channels is a heckuva lot to remove. It'd force many stations back to the 5 VHF-Lo channels, even though VHF-Lo is poorly suited for DTV; screwing everyone who moved to a smaller, lighter, cheaper "channel 7-69" antenna as a result of the DTV transition.
dhett said:
I just skimmed over the NBP. At first it sounds great: 300 MHz more wireless broadband spectrum in the next 5 years - until you get waay down to the part where the biggest single chunk (120 MHz) will come from broadcast TV yet again. Now I know what those NAB "call Congress" ads are talking about
Even though DFW has a glut of TV bandwidth at the moment, 20 channels is a heckuva lot to remove. It'd force many stations back to the 5 VHF-Lo channels, even though VHF-Lo is poorly suited for DTV; screwing everyone who moved to a smaller, lighter, cheaper "channel 7-69" antenna as a result of the DTV transition.
Re: Oh, for crying out loud....
I wouldn't count on them to optimize anything. As of June 2009 they'd known for years there were DTV stations on VHF, but kept right on selling UHF-only antennas. Heck, I took a call about two hours ago from someone who'd been sold a UHF-only antenna *last weekend*, in a market with three major-network stations on VHF.
dhett said:
I wouldn't count on them to optimize anything. As of June 2009 they'd known for years there were DTV stations on VHF, but kept right on selling UHF-only antennas. Heck, I took a call about two hours ago from someone who'd been sold a UHF-only antenna *last weekend*, in a market with three major-network stations on VHF.
Interesting banner at the bottom of KWDA subchannel 2. It reads in part, "Houston 38.2; Dallas 21.2, 30.2."
This implies KWDA is aware that they show up as channel 21 instead of 30 on some TVs. (I don't think they realize they show up as channel 70 on Dish Network receivers, though : )
So, if they know of the problem, why don't they at least drop subchannel 1? It's nothing but color bars anyhow and serves no purpose other than confusing viewers trying to tune in KTXA ???
This implies KWDA is aware that they show up as channel 21 instead of 30 on some TVs. (I don't think they realize they show up as channel 70 on Dish Network receivers, though :
)So, if they know of the problem, why don't they at least drop subchannel 1? It's nothing but color bars anyhow and serves no purpose other than confusing viewers trying to tune in KTXA ???
KWDA has streamlined their channel lineup a bit, eliminating the color bars on .1 and .7, and renumbering .2 through .6 as .1 through .5
21.1/30.1: "Vida Vision"
21.2/30.2: "MCTV" (simulcast of 18.2)
21.3/30.3: "Vision Celestial" animated logo
21.4/30.4: Vision Celestial programming
21.5/30.5: simulcast of 18.1 & 18.3
The only drawback is, if your equipment recognizes KWDA as 21.x and doesn't allow for duplicate virtual channels, you won't see Vida Vision anymore as 21.1 gets overlaid by KTXA during a channel scan. This happens with the CM-7000 converter box (but not the CM-7000PAL DVR, which was actually designed by Dish Network, not Channel Master/PCT, so it'll show one or the other as channel 70). Of course that assumes you actually want to watch Vida Vision
21.1/30.1: "Vida Vision"
21.2/30.2: "MCTV" (simulcast of 18.2)
21.3/30.3: "Vision Celestial" animated logo
21.4/30.4: Vision Celestial programming
21.5/30.5: simulcast of 18.1 & 18.3
The only drawback is, if your equipment recognizes KWDA as 21.x and doesn't allow for duplicate virtual channels, you won't see Vida Vision anymore as 21.1 gets overlaid by KTXA during a channel scan. This happens with the CM-7000 converter box (but not the CM-7000PAL DVR, which was actually designed by Dish Network, not Channel Master/PCT, so it'll show one or the other as channel 70). Of course that assumes you actually want to watch Vida Vision
JHBrandt said:
Corrected lineup:
21.1/30.2: "Vida Vision"
21.2/30.3: "MCTV" (simulcast of 18.2)
21.3/30.4: "Vision Celestial" animated logo
21.4/30.5: Vision Celestial programming
21.5/30.6: simulcast of 18.1 & 18.3
Notice that, if your receiver picks up KWDA as channel 30, the subchannels are numbered 2 through 6; but if it picks them up as channel 21, they're numbered 1 through 5. It looks like they tried to do what I suggested a few posts ago - leave out subchannel 1 to avoid conflicts with KTXA - but it didn't work.
On my Sanyo DP42840 42", I rescanned the other day, and I got:
21.1 as KTXA
and, these sub-channels
21.2-21.9 (These are the only digital channels/sub-channels I logged, that did not display a channel name or label.)
(Bty, I deleted the view for CH 19 as that is CH 11.)
MY RCA ANT751 attic antenna should be here by next week.
I should be able to get CH 31 with it.
21.1 as KTXA
and, these sub-channels
21.2-21.9 (These are the only digital channels/sub-channels I logged, that did not display a channel name or label.)
(Bty, I deleted the view for CH 19 as that is CH 11.)
MY RCA ANT751 attic antenna should be here by next week.
I should be able to get CH 31 with it.
Re: THEY FIXED IT!!
I did an "Add new channels" scan yesterday, and my group of channel 21 sub-channels still showed up there, with no channels coming up under channel 30.
Before, I did not any signal for channel 31, but now I get a signal, although I need to tweak the aim of the antenna in the attic to see if I can get a steady picture.
I do get channel 28.1 good, most of the time.
JHBrandt said:
I did an "Add new channels" scan yesterday, and my group of channel 21 sub-channels still showed up there, with no channels coming up under channel 30.
Before, I did not any signal for channel 31, but now I get a signal, although I need to tweak the aim of the antenna in the attic to see if I can get a steady picture.
I do get channel 28.1 good, most of the time.
And now they've added 30.1 & 30.8. (9 subchannels!) The color bars moved from 30.9 to 30.1; 30.9 is now showing Spanish infomercials : and 30.8 is showing a teaser for a new African-American-themed channel, Diicon.
Diicon is said to be coming Jan. 1, 2012. But we've been down this road before with the Urban Superstation, which never made it. Let's hope Diicon has better luck.
and 30.8 is showing a teaser for a new African-American-themed channel, Diicon.Diicon is said to be coming Jan. 1, 2012. But we've been down this road before with the Urban Superstation, which never made it. Let's hope Diicon has better luck.
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