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KWJZ to Oldies???

Wonder if Sandusky will cowboy up and flip KWJZ to Oldies :eek: Philly smooth jazz is the latest to bite the dust and it looks like Smooth Jazz across the country is goin away thanks to the PPM. :-\ Philly is just the latest major market to bail :'(Oldies seems to do pretty darn well and ya got a big ole opening right now. Will KWJZ become Z-Oldies ??? Any word on how Country looks in the PPM ??? Cowboy UP!
 
I can tell you right now, Sandusky will never do that....

The least amount of listener confusion right now, the better

97.3 Listeners were told to go to 95.7 or 102.5,
104.5 is all of a sudden oldies after being Hip Hop for 8 years
KPLU and KNHC listeners now have KMIH hangin out with them in the non comm.

Besides KWJZ recently went through minor format changes
 
KWJZ to Oldies? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ;D

Once again this board never fails to deliver a good laugh.
 
A good laugh indeed. It makes no sense to make a pre-emptive format flip before the PPM even arrives. Who is to say that KWJZ won't do well in Seattle under a new ratings system? Smooth Jazz seems to be the big loser along with News/Talk and Hispanic formats, but please people. Everyone on this board wants to flip formats after one trend, now we are going to flip before we even get a ppm trend. I have noticed that each market has subtle differences in the PPM. AC and HOT/AC seem to do well, but not always. KOST was actually weaker 25-54 in the PPM in LA. Oldies seems to do well, but not always and same for CHR and Rock. Like the diary, each market has exceptions to the rule. The Smooth Jazz stations that have changed in Philly, DC and elsewhere were based on PPM data, not on the FEAR of PPM data. Wait and see.

Country was down in Houston, LA, Chicago and SF in PPM. With the exception of Houston, none of these is big Country markets. Again, no one really knows yet what will happen in Seattle. What? Should we flip KMPS oldies now too.

I agree with LBB that programmers at Sandusky will try first to adapt the format if the initial numbers are poor. Makes much more sense than blowing it all up. Make no mistake Seattle will see changes in the months after the PPM as we are seeing across the country, but only AFTER the evidence is in, not before. Makes you wonder why Bonneville didn't wait to see how KBSG did in the PPM before changing.
 
Jeez. It ain't that "out there" :p Lots of Smooth Jazz stations goin away in anticipation of new ratings:

latest major market to lose smooth jazz, on the heels of metros such as New York (WQCD, now rock), Washington (WJZW, now Imus and "True Oldies"), Baltimore (WSMJ, now rock "Channel 104.3") and Denver (KJCD, now sports "Fan").

To this cowboys recollection only Philly's actually got the PPM and that means Washington and Baltimore and Denver a half dozen other markets are doing what this cowboy calls: thinkin ahead :eek: So its a fair post dudes :p Let's see is it smarter to stand in the middle of a highway knowing you are about to git runover or do you move before the PPM car hits ya ???
 
TakeItFromMe said:
Jeez. It ain't that "out there" :p Lots of Smooth Jazz stations goin away in anticipation of new ratings:

latest major market to lose smooth jazz, on the heels of metros such as New York (WQCD, now rock), Washington (WJZW, now Imus and "True Oldies"), Baltimore (WSMJ, now rock "Channel 104.3") and Denver (KJCD, now sports "Fan").

To this cowboys recollection only Philly's actually got the PPM and that means Washington and Baltimore and Denver a half dozen other markets are doing what this cowboy calls: thinkin ahead :eek: So its a fair post dudes :p Let's see is it smarter to stand in the middle of a highway knowing you are about to git runover or do you move before the PPM car hits ya ???

None of those stations were doing particularly well with or without the PPM. The most successful smooth jazz stations are generally on or near the west coast: KIFM in San Diego (which has been #1 12+ in several books), KYOT in Phoenix (ditto), KTWV in LA, KKSF in SF and KWJZ. WNUA in Chicago also does well. I don't see any of them getting blown up in anticipation of what the PPM might do to their ratings, although chances are it's not going to help them.
 
I hope someone switches to real oldies soon. KJR is too much Camaro rock and KZOK is well, totally Camaro rock.

Oldies were fun, you know, like most of radio ISN'T now.

Need oldies, fun times, great oldies--not angry 70s rock.
 
I agree although I wouldn't call the music angry rock, it's just plain rock. I like oldies with lots of RnB - classic soul mixed in like KBSG and not with a bunch of 80's...a little 80's is OK but... I wish KJR would take over for KBSG not some new station that will probably be automated or satellite.
 
spectacle said:
I hope someone switches to real oldies soon. KJR is too much Camaro rock and KZOK is well, totally Camaro rock.

Oldies were fun, you know, like most of radio ISN'T now.

Need oldies, fun times, great oldies--not angry 70s rock.

When I think of angry '70s rock, I don't always think of KJR-FM or KZOK. The angriest music of that decade was the early punk music, which neither of them play (aside from the occasional pre "Rock The Casbah" Clash song on KZOK.)

Neither KJR-FM or KZOK would TOUCH Patti Smith or The Sex Pistols. Even "No More Mr. Nice Guy" Alice Cooper is RARELY heard on either of them.

KJR-FM is for the most part, a classic rock with jingles (and maybe a Hall & Oates song or two.) KJR-FM rarely ventures into the deeper album cuts ("Brain Damage" Pink Floyd, "Miss America" Styx, etc.) that KZOK whips out every now and then.

On the other hand, KZOK hasn't touched Hall & Oates since their "Quality Rock" phase in 1985.

KWJZ seems to be doing OK for now. Even though snooze jazz is tanking everywhere else, KWJZ hasn't really felt that too much here.

But times ARE changing. And by this time next year, KWJZ may start really feeling it.

I think by adding more lite R&B hits (originals with vocals, not their dime-a-dozen saxophone covers) they should continue to do well and may even slowly transition into lite AC this way, like KTWV seems to be doing....

There's other directions 98.9 could go: Alternative is one, with KNDD in the pits and not doing much about it, it just might be exactly what KNDD needs now; a swift kick in the arse.

When KRQI went on, KNDD went into hyperoverdrive to reinvent themselves. Granted KRQI committed alternative suicide with dumb "gag" oriented stuff that got a lot of bad alternative press. an Alternative-formatted 98.9 could actually embrace the local alternative culture and even be a threat to both KMTT and KEXP if it plays it's cards right

Doubt it will happen, but it's something Sandusky should mull over the clouds in their coffee with if the bottom did drop out of snooze jazz......

But Mrs. Bongwater pointed out another reality. "What gives with even that? Radio listeners aren't getting any younger and I think it's stupid to replace something that works for older people in the vain hope of grabbing a generation so tech savvy, it doesn't even need radio. Think about it, radio NEEDS it's older listeners and if they think they can somehow reverse the march of time by jettisoning them off in favor of what a bunch of older people and their formulas think the kids like now. I have an easier suggestion; why not just play all Insane Clown Posse and Twizted for all those Juggalo clown-boys out there? Why not? I see them everywhere and there's no station that caters to them?"

"Honey" I said "They would lose their licenses in ONE MINUTE FLAT if they ever played that garbage"

"That's exactly my point" she responded. "I can't think of a faster way to kill radio than to pander to a generation that really doesn't need it."

"But what about the future of radio?"

"Radio's future is not in cannibalizing itself. It's in making it RELEVANT again. Making it something worth listening to"

"How?"

"I don't know. You and your buddies here are the experts. You guys hash it out. I'm going to bed. I expect a miracle by tomorrow morning....good night"

"No...seriously, what would you do to make radio work again"

She paused and said;

"Turn it on....good night!"

DAMN! Hate when she does that!
 
I'd like to know how their going to justify rates to clients without ratings when PPM comes into the market fulltime since PPM doesn't measure smooth Jazz.
Unless there's something that gets worked out with PPM for them to do it then they may be in trouble or who knows maybe their clients buy the station because they like the music or have it playing in their offices so you might as well try to hear your spots.
 
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