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KXOL 96.3
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LibertyNT said:
KXOL is hardly, with 6.6 kw at 1300 feet, a weak station.
One of LA's perenial leaders in ratings and billings share the transmitter site with KXOL and is 1,000 watts less in power. In fact, that weak station... KROQ... is the second highest billing radio station in the US.
I agree with David. I live in Central OC and KROQ is very spotty. I remember growing up listening to KROQ playing around with aluminum foil and the antenna of the radio to try to get KROQ as clear as I could but KALI/106.3 would always feed through. It still does actually. When I turned on my home stereo today to listen to KROQ, since my home stereo is a classic turn-knob tuner, I had to play around with the radio for a bit to get it to tune to KROQ. I wonder with the competition of 98-7 and their Mount Wilson signal if KROQ will add some wattage to their signal.
In regards to KXOL, sister station KLAX is located in East LA and has a very powerful signal. If it's not on Mount Wilson, it doesn't mean it's not a strong signal or it won't make money. Mount Wilson can be an advantage but when it comes down to it, the signal is still a Class B, still covers more area than a Class A and the programming.
In regards to KXOL, sister station KLAX is located in East LA and has a very powerful signal. If it's not on Mount Wilson, it doesn't mean it's not a strong signal or it won't make money. Mount Wilson can be an advantage but when it comes down to it, the signal is still a Class B, still covers more area than a Class A and the programming.
radiojomo said:
KROQ is pretty well locked in at its current power and transmitter location. If there were any way to increase, they would have. However, the KXOL situation is such that it might be able to climb the mountain the way KPWR did, with a directional antenna.
It's really on Flint Peak which is the next small mountain over from Verdugo, where KROQ is. Flint is between Glendale and Eagle Rock and La Cañada-Flintridge, but is much lower in height over terrain. KLAX is 33 kw at 600 feet, which is only slightly better than 6 kw at 1300 feet like KXOL. It's probably just closer to you so it comes in better.
Very true. It takes Liberman 3 class A's to cover most of the LA market with KBUE-KBUA-KEBN, and stil there are holes in the coverage.
KXOL-FM's signal has proven to be quite adequate to generate ratings. The present difficulties are much more programming-related than signal-related.
The Verdugo signals don't do as well to the east past the LA county line, but they are great in other areas like the SF Valley, the LA Basin. the 605/710 corridor, etc.
But no - ain't nothin' like a Mt. Wilson signal. And KCBS-FM is 500 feet or more above the rest.
The Verdugo signals don't do as well to the east past the LA county line, but they are great in other areas like the SF Valley, the LA Basin. the 605/710 corridor, etc.
But no - ain't nothin' like a Mt. Wilson signal. And KCBS-FM is 500 feet or more above the rest.
Bill Tanner said:
And could again...
Welcome. "Bill Tanner" is obviously a pseudonym for "Roy Laughlin" I suppose.
K6JHU said:
Keep in mind that the usable signal... where actual listening comes from... is well inside the innermost red contour on Radio Locator.
In general, for in-home and at-work listening, which are 68% to 70% of the listening for radio and about 72% for FM radio, a 64 dbu contour is required... it's just physics, since most of todays home and work radio just don't get anything weaker. 80% of listening in those locations is in the 70dbu, too.
A couple of the basin floor stations do really well... like KLAX, which may be deficient in southern OC, but elsewhere is a nice, nice signal. Stations like KIIS and KUTE that sacrificed ERP for height do have issues, even being on Wilson. Keep in mind the range of power on top of Wilson goes from 4800 watts to over 100,000 watts, so all these stations are not created equal.
Owners and operators would do well to remember David Eduardo's rule: 80% of listening comes from within the 70 dbu signal. Are those stats based on PPM?
Renan always bitched about KLAX having a null toward Sylmar (it does). The KXOL signal on Flint Peak was good, often more solid than the Verdugo signal, although Verdugo is higher.
I'd settle for KPFK's signal.
Renan always bitched about KLAX having a null toward Sylmar (it does). The KXOL signal on Flint Peak was good, often more solid than the Verdugo signal, although Verdugo is higher.
I'd settle for KPFK's signal.
Bill Tanner said:
I wish they were. But since the PPM has no way of distinguishing between in car and at work, we can't really tell in PPM (take the portion after the comma and it applies to more than just listening location).
Back when we could run MapMaker and Maximiser vs Diary data by location, we could figure this out. Nearly every diary analyst except Kabrich did one form or another of signal vs. diary returns calculations. Arbitron also did some extensive work, and I saw the tip of that iceberg when I went to war with them over network coverage vs. credits in Puerto Rico. And it all fits with the simple test of finding out what the sensitivity of common AM FM radios is...
Yeah, the "null" is called "Verdugo" because there is terrain blockage. What was Renán doing in Sylmar? I can only guess.
Yeah, although Flint has the advantage of the "dirty secret" of HAAT. High mountains are averaged with lower areas, and produce a "fake" figure sometimes. Best example is KSSE. Shows at a negative of something like 179 feet over average terrain. It's over 2000 feet over the LA Basin, but several radials are highly negative, like 2500 feet or so, so the average is below terrain... yet it is the most talkative Class A I have ever seen.
It's 110,000 watts L and 0 watts C. "C" standing for "conservative" not "circular."
Even though ratings wise it isn't important, it is interesting that KXOL, KLAX, and such don't make it to the Inland Empire while the Mt. Wilson stations do. KROQ has some coverage in the IE. I live in Azusa Canyon and most Mt Wilson stations come in with lots of static. However, KXOL, KLAX, KJLH, KBUE all come in super clear. Unfortunately, only one of those is English, so I rely on KJLH to wake me up with the alarm.
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radiojomo said:
Incidentally, 98-7 isn't on Mt. Wilson. It's on Briarcrest which is tucked away deep in the canyons south of Mulholland between Coldwater and Laurel Canyons. KYSR has an ERP of 75Kw and has just as "bad" a signal as KROQ. There is a definite trade-off between HAAT and ERP. David or Bill can confirm this, but I want to say that the FCC is requiring stations that are grandfathered to reduce power when they make any major modifications to their license. I think this was the case of 96.3 when they moved to Verdugo.
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