They're not just listening on radios. Radio stations listened to through home streaming devices count as radio just the same. "Alexa, play WXXX" is the same as tuning the slide-rule dial on your ancient Kenwood tuner to WXXX's frequency.
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KYW No Longer Says "1060", Only "103.9."
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They're not just listening on radios. Radio stations listened to through home streaming devices count as radio just the same. "Alexa, play WXXX" is the same as tuning the slide-rule dial on your ancient Kenwood tuner to WXXX's frequency.
I understand that over 30% of households own at least one 'wiretap' unit now, but David specified "over the air" listening.
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How many people with "satellite radio" are actually listening to a satellite? I remember some study that said most were actually listening to the terrestrial repeater, unless they were far out in the boonies.
So, even satellite has to have translators or boosters!
So, even satellite has to have translators or boosters!
Nope. In fact, under the terms of the merger, the few repeaters they had were shut down.
There aren't enough translator frequencies for all 100 channels.
If I remember correctly, the repeaters were only meant for certain local service channels, not the entire service.
I'm not sure where in that consent decree you're reading that the repeaters were shut down. Sirius was required to bring certain repeaters into compliance at the time (13 years ago) but it and XM didn't have to shut down their terrestrial systems.
They weren't, and very much still exist. They repeat the entire SXM data stream with the same channel lineup that's on the satellite. There's one here in Rochester (at least on the Sirius system) and I can usually tell when I'm driving around the city and it switches back and forth between satellite and terrestrial, since they're not perfectly synced up.
Having those repeaters is what made the whole thing jell. If they didn't need them, broadcast radio would've just used that band, when it was offered to them, instead of settling for IBOC(HD Radio)!
Streams are listed separately in the ratings, unless they are 100% simulcasts. Most have separate commercial content on the streams so they don't aggregate the numbers.
Sorry I thought it did. I remember they've been controversial, and the NAB has spoken out many times about those repeaters, as indicated in this article:
What the NAB wanted to head off, I believe, was repeaters that would transmit localized content from SiriusXM (or Sirius or XM pre-Sirius takeover of XM; I don't use the euphemism "merger.") and insert local advertising. Neither company ever tried that. The repeaters have always been 100 percent simulcasts of the entire range of channels, using the same frequencies as the satellites do,
When Sirius XM counts its number of subscribers, I don't think it counts unsold cars sitting on the dealership lot. When you buy the car, the Sirius XM radio only plays the Barker Channel 184. It gives brief promos of shows and channels, along with frequent mentions of ways to activate your radio. Upon activation, you get at least a three month free introduction with all the available channels.
I'm not sure if you have to give your credit card info at this time. But obviously Sirius XM wants you to continue as a customer when your trial wraps up. With my latest car, after the three months were over, the silent radio one morning said "Updating Subscription 10%, 20%, etc." for about 30 seconds. After that, you only get the channels you pay for. I assume if I hadn't already signed up for the service, it would have gone back to only the Barker Channel with no subscription.
The new CEO is considering a free advertiser-supported service of limited channels. But that hasn't been implemented yet.
I'm not sure if you have to give your credit card info at this time. But obviously Sirius XM wants you to continue as a customer when your trial wraps up. With my latest car, after the three months were over, the silent radio one morning said "Updating Subscription 10%, 20%, etc." for about 30 seconds. After that, you only get the channels you pay for. I assume if I hadn't already signed up for the service, it would have gone back to only the Barker Channel with no subscription.
The new CEO is considering a free advertiser-supported service of limited channels. But that hasn't been implemented yet.
Interesting idea. Probably won't apply to the music channels since they're contracted as ad-free.
SiriusXM Eyes Free, Ad-Supported Satellite Radio Service For The Car.
With an enabled fleet of 132 million cars but only 34.4 million paid subscribers, SiriusXM has long been frustrated by an inability to monetize the motorists it hasn’t been able
I think it would be a mix of music channels with commercials inserted, along with spoken word channels, which already run spots. My guess is a music channel on the advertising supported plan would have the same playlist but drop a couple of songs per hour where spots would be played.Interesting idea. Probably won't apply to the music channels since they're contracted as ad-free.
SiriusXM Eyes Free, Ad-Supported Satellite Radio Service For The Car.
With an enabled fleet of 132 million cars but only 34.4 million paid subscribers, SiriusXM has long been frustrated by an inability to monetize the motorists it hasn’t been ablewww.insideradio.com
iHeart has two different "The Breeze" channels. One which plays a few PSAs and lots of legal I.D.s per hour heard on HD subchannels around the country. And the other is on the iHeart app, which doesn't play PSAs and only has one legal I.D., KSNE-HD2 Las Vegas.
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I talked to the PD for iHeart's Smooth Jazz channel years ago. He said the listeners didn't want to hear any new artists, and so they stay with the same performers year after year.
No wonder the format died in many markets!
@AbrahamJSimpson This morning, I was out of coffee and desperate to wake up. Normally, I order a pound from the coffee shop downstairs and wait 30 minutes to pick it up. But this morning, with only one eye open, I just didn't have that kinda time so I went around the corner to CVS. There was a huge jug of coffee on sale for eight dollars off! I had a 20% coupon as well so I ended up paying only $2.99 for it. Under any other circumstances, I wouldn't have bought it. That coffee, of course, is Maxwell House! 😄
The marketplace has spoken, and it does not agree.
The format died around 2009 when the PPM rolled out. Stations that had small cume and high TSL generally faltered in the new methodology, but Smooth Jazz did the worst. That was because there were no secondary listeners that "forgot" to write smooth jazz formatted stations in the diary. So there was no gain in cume to offset the loss of AQH that the new PPM showed. The format died, not for the music, but for the shallow cume depth and formerly exaggerated diary entries.
Yes. but most people do not hear AM radio sound like that either. So of coarse they wouldn't agree.
And under the conditions that most people hear AM, I can't say I blame them.
I'm just pointing out that it can sound good with a good tuner, and no RF interference. All of which are hard to come by in this day and age.
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"AM", or "Amplitude-Modulated Medium-Wave Broadcast" can sound pretty good when done properly, and received by a good antenna and receiver.
Trouble is, most people don't care. Sad 😢
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