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KZON - Rock/talk 2001-2002

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azenergyfan

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In a way KZON has some what of a free fm format back in 2001-2002. They had

Stern mornings
Tracy Lee middays (not really fit in the free fm mix)
Dave Pratt pm drive
Chuck Powell Nights

So in a way they did try the format for awhile just wish they would've stuck with it. I did like hearing Chuck at night, was fun.
 
It wasn't that this wasn't a good lineup, the problem was $$$$$.



Stern mornings (big time $$$$)
Tracy Lee middays (No $$$$)
Dave Pratt pm drive (big time $$$$, well for Phoenix)
Chuck Powell Nights (big time $$$$, well for a night guy)

The thing is you had 3 people getting am drive money and there was only 1 spot for the three of them and Howard was going to win that battle.
 
> It wasn't that this wasn't a good lineup, the problem was
> $$$$$.
>
>
>
> Stern mornings (big time $$$$)
> Tracy Lee middays (No $$$$)
> Dave Pratt pm drive (big time $$$$, well for Phoenix)
> Chuck Powell Nights (big time $$$$, well for a night guy)
>
> The thing is you had 3 people getting am drive money and
> there was only 1 spot for the three of them and Howard was
> going to win that battle.
>
Well, its time to remove 101.5 fm from my car and company truck pre-sets.
Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah thats all we need is another talking radio station.
 
Well its not like any other talk station we currently have. Scan the Am dial and all you hear is bush this that irag this that.. I personally can not wait for Free FM. Finally something different in the valley.


> >
> Well, its time to remove 101.5 fm from my car and company
> truck pre-sets.
> Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah thats all we need is another talking
> radio station.
>
 
> Well, its time to remove 101.5 fm from my car and company
> truck pre-sets.
> Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah thats all we need is another talking
> radio station.

Yes, what we need is more stations to play the Nickelback over and over. For the people who can't live without another music station, there's a new thing out called CDs.
 
> > Well, its time to remove 101.5 fm from my car and company
> > truck pre-sets.
> > Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah thats all we need is another talking
> > radio station.
>
> Yes, what we need is more stations to play the Nickelback
> over and over. For the people who can't live without another
> music station, there's a new thing out called CDs.
>
OH YEAH! let's hear that nickelback song again for the billionth time!
How many times can we "Look at that photograph, everytime it just makes me laugh" and what the hell is that on joey's head?

hahahahaha

I say time and time again, can we have more variety please.
 
> > Well, its time to remove 101.5 fm from my car and company
> > truck pre-sets.
> > Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah thats all we need is another talking
> > radio station.
>
> Yes, what we need is more stations to play the Nickelback
> over and over. For the people who can't live without another
> music station, there's a new thing out called CDs.
>

>> Want superior music choices? No commercials? Try Sirius or XM sat radio- far better than local offerings- and for the price of one CD a month.
 
> >> Want superior music choices? No commercials? Try Sirius
> or XM sat radio- far better than local offerings- and for
> the price of one CD a month.

And with the number of times I've heard the same two Mariah Carey songs on channels 20-25, there's only on CD I'd be needing to buy.
 
> >> Try Sirius
> or XM sat radio- far better than local offerings- and for
> the price of one CD a month.


Disagreed entirely. I"ve been in the valley now for almost 1/2 a year and i have listened to about 5 hours of sat. radio since getting here, the rest has been terrestrial. This after spending 99% of the time w/ satellite while living in another market.

The Phoenix FM radio dial is more diverse and interesting than any otehr in the US.
 
Phoenix Radio Dial Most Diverse? Ludicrous!

I find it hard to believe, but saladressing really said:

> The Phoenix FM radio dial is more diverse and interesting
> than any otehr in the US.
>

Really? Here's what I find wrong with that analysis.
1. Awful college band. Mostly religion, no adventurous college radio scene. Very little NPR programming, besides the basic programs most carry.
No interesting alt station like KCRW (Santa Monica), WXPN (Philly) or KEXP (Seattle.) No alternate-point-of-view station like Pacifica. Not enough good news analysis programming on KJZZ.
Not one folk program on Phoenix public radio.
Oh, and something that shouldn't be legal: Family Radio KPHF full-power on 88.3 from 7:30 p.m. to 4 a.m., yet translated on 88.9. Even if they can legally qualify for the satellator for the other 15 hours, there's no need to translate the contents of a full-power signal during those hours.
Commercial band:
Two classic rock soundalikes. KZON a poor alternative, heading into a talk format which doesn't work in most cities. (Check with the folks at the Buzz in Seattle. Oops, they're now country, and they're the Wolf. Guess you don't need to check after all.)
Other ridiculous lack of diversity on the Phoenix dial:
Spanish 105.3/105.9. They do well, but only need one dial position and a full-coverage facility. Same for 106.9/107.1, but at least that'll change soon.
Almost every format I hear here sounds much better in other cities. I spent some time in Seattle a couple months back, and wished I could bring the radio back here with me when I returned. Much better on all counts. About the only things I missed were KPHX and KAZG.
Lately even KTAR/KMVP doesn't live up to their full potential. If the D-Backs do a trade on a Suns game night, can't even do local talk on KMVP, or even get much news about it after 6. (Or reverse the sports with the same scenario in April.)
Radio in Phoenix is the best case for XM and Sirius I can imagine. Locals fall short of their potential, and the national stuff is already on the bird, often with better signal and fidelity.
 
Re: Phoenix Radio Dial Most Diverse? Ludicrous!

> Other ridiculous lack of diversity on the Phoenix dial:
> Spanish 105.3/105.9. They do well, but only need one dial
> position and a full-coverage facility.

That is not a lack of diversity, it is a net increase made possible by combining two marginal signals to make coverage of the entire market possible.

The same applies to 100.3 and 106.3. Neither signal is individually competitive, but thogether, these combos can provide real service and diversity in formats.

> Same for 106.9/107.1,
> but at least that'll change soon.

It usually takes several years to get a petition for rulemaking or changes int he TOA go go into force. I see this no earlier than 2008.

> Almost every format I hear here sounds much better in other
> cities.

Could it be that your taste and lifestyle just are not a real match for Phoenix? For decades, going back to the CHR wars of the early 70's, many observed that Phoenix had a different characteristic and sound than the rest of the nation... nothing radical or terribly measurable... but remember that the Phoenix stations research against Phoenix residents, not Seattle ones.
 
> Well its not like any other talk station we currently have.
> Scan the Am dial...

... all that annoying static on wimpy directional AM 's ?
I'll be doing my ears a favor. 101.5 has an outstanding line-of-sight signal over the central Arizona hills...


>>>and all you hear is bush this that irag
> this that.. I personally can not wait for Free FM. Finally
> something different in the valley.


I'll second that.
 
Re: Phoenix Radio Dial Most Diverse? Ludicrous!

Dude, we are totally diverse! Ever heard the polka music show on 1480, ets vundervul! And the Filipino language shows on 1100, Mabuhay! And the great Irish show that has bounced around a bit lately was always a great listen.


Plus, we have the best coral calcium, green tea and colon cleaner informercials all day on 1100!

In fact, the more I listen, di verse it gets!
 
Re: Phoenix Radio Dial Most Diverse? Ludicrous!

> Really? Here's what I find wrong with that analysis.
> 1. Awful college band. Mostly religion, no adventurous
> college radio scene. Very little NPR programming, besides
> the basic programs most carry.
> No interesting alt station like KCRW (Santa Monica), WXPN
> (Philly) or KEXP (Seattle.) No alternate-point-of-view
> station like Pacifica. Not enough good news analysis
> programming on KJZZ.

Outside of KJZZ with NPR news-talk days and Jazz nights, co-owned classical KBAQ, and part-time Spanish KNAI, everything else on the non-comm band thumps a bible.

> Not one folk program on Phoenix public radio.
> Oh, and something that shouldn't be legal: Family Radio KPHF
> full-power on 88.3 from 7:30 p.m. to 4 a.m., yet translated
> on 88.9. Even if they can legally qualify for the satellator
> for the other 15 hours, there's no need to translate the
> contents of a full-power signal during those hours.

I doubt that folk music would go here, at least not yet. Phoenix is mainly transplanted SoCals, Midwesterners and some Southerners. Not much East Coast or Pacific NW influence here, although that's slowly changing since people from those areas are moving in here now.

> Commercial band:
> Two classic rock soundalikes. KZON a poor alternative,
> heading into a talk format which doesn't work in most
> cities. (Check with the folks at the Buzz in Seattle. Oops,
> they're now country, and they're the Wolf. Guess you don't
> need to check after all.)

Phoenix English-speaking FM caters mainly to kids and their mommies. The country stations, oldies KOOL and classic-rock KSLX are exceptions.

CBS is doing to KZON what they're doing with their other stations that carried Howard Stern. We'll see if this "Free-FM" works.

> Other ridiculous lack of diversity on the Phoenix dial:
> Spanish 105.3/105.9. They do well, but only need one dial
> position and a full-coverage facility. Same for 106.9/107.1,
> but at least that'll change soon.

There's only so much room on South Mountain and only so many allocations for the city and near suburbs. That's why so many "Phoenix" stations transmit from, and are licensed to, towns 80 miles away.

> Almost every format I hear here sounds much better in other
> cities. I spent some time in Seattle a couple months back,
> and wished I could bring the radio back here with me when I
> returned. Much better on all counts. About the only things I
> missed were KPHX and KAZG.

Mainly because KPHX and KAZG have a total of about 10 listeners between them.

As far as local talk radio is concerned, Seattle is liberal, while Phoenix is conservative outside of Tempe and parts of Scottsdale. Air America is here, but is about to lose it's home on KXXT since the station was recently sold to a religious broadcaster. They may end up on KPHX but that's still just a rumor.

> Lately even KTAR/KMVP doesn't live up to their full
> potential. If the D-Backs do a trade on a Suns game night,
> can't even do local talk on KMVP, or even get much news
> about it after 6. (Or reverse the sports with the same
> scenario in April.)

Lately? KMVP won't compete until Bonneville upgrades that puny 1000-watt signal. They exist only to be a relief station for KTAR when there is a Suns/D'backs/ASU conflict. That attitude predates Bonneville ownership by several years.

I'm still not sure exactly what Bonneville wants to do with KTAR but as long as Paul Harvey is on the air, their priority will still be folks over 70.

> Radio in Phoenix is the best case for XM and Sirius I can
> imagine. Locals fall short of their potential, and the
> national stuff is already on the bird, often with better
> signal and fidelity.

I really don't think it's any different than other markets this size.
 
Re: Phoenix Radio Dial Most Diverse

>>>I really don't think it's any different than other markets this size.>>>

Other markets this size have far fewer choices. For example, Minneapolis has 13 commercial FM stations. Phoenix has 24.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by saladdressing on 12/26/05 10:21 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Phoenix Radio Dial Most Diverse? Ludicrous!

> Dude, we are totally diverse!

Since we have a number of rimshot FMs
factoring into the diversity, let's not
forget one rimshot AM (COL Marana)...

The (largely eastern European) ethnic
music show with Dancin' Danny Babich,
Saturday mornings from 11-12 on the
giant 580.

Now about the rampant dead air and
other horrible production values...
 
Re: Phoenix Radio Dial Most Diverse? Ludicrous!

Eastern European!

Sounds great

Dekjui vam!
 
Re: Phoenix Radio Dial Most Diverse

Some good responses to my post, and (of course), I have some opinions on them.
First, saladressing, since your response is the one in front of me, I'd prefer 13 stations to 24--or at least these 24. I'm talking fantasy in the following sentence, but I'd rather see 11 low-powers trying to fill niches than copycats of copycats.
Legend_City, good post, definitely elicited a smile.
David Eduardo, point well taken. I generally don't feel I fit in with the way this market works, so maybe Seattle is a better all-around choice for me. (Even if specialty coffee isn't my thing, and I never liked Nirvana.)
Also, David, while I realize the owners of 100.3/106.3 and 105.3/105.9 are doing the best with what they have, (and KHOT's ratings are, well, caliente), some work needs to be done to reduce the mishmash on the dial and coordinate it in a way that makes sense.
It's not like 105.3 is concerned about Wickenburg, or 106.3 is concerned about Sun City West. As long as these facilities are openly targeting Phoenix, owners should work together to apply for better and less redundant facilities.
It's crazy to have Family Radio on 88.3/88.9 (satellator), K-Love on 89.1/105.5--each with less-than-adequate valley coverage--and the other examples cited above.
If nothing else, it's wasteful. Everyone gets slivers, when organized reshuffling (which has been done in other cities) could improve marginal pieces into more workable wholes.
The Phoenix dial is a spread-out, chaotic mess, and it's not like there are clusters of cities and states surrounding us.
I realize there are restrictions for transmitters near the Mexican border, and that massive work, comprehensive agreements and lots of time would be needed to rectify this, but I'm surprised more hasn't happened along those lines. (Or maybe it has, and I just don't know about it.)
And kudos to 97.5 for doing something different. No matter what the future holds, I always prefer more types of music on the dial to many stations vying for a piece of the same pie.
I'm talking listener preferences here. I've been in the biz, and know all the arguments. But when I turn on the radio, I'm a listener. And I really prefer diversity, which to me means more formats of different types.
By the way, no one has addressed how the nine-hour full-power Shaw Butte 88.3 Family Radio and the 88.9 24-hour Shaw Butte Family Radio satellator can legally co-exist. I'd love to know how it can be justified, especially the nine-hour duplication.
Oh, (while it lasts), KXXT has a better Air America schedule than Seattle's Air America affiliate. That's one superior thing about Phoenix. There's local programming on 1010, and most of it's decent. In Seattle, on its Air America station, you can hear Clark Howard and ESPN Radio and they air low-key Al Franken on afternoon drive. Forgot about that in my original post.)
 
Re: Phoenix Radio Dial Most Diverse? Ludicrous!

> I find it hard to believe, but saladressing really said:
>
> > The Phoenix FM radio dial is more diverse and interesting
> > than any otehr in the US.
> >
>
> Really? Here's what I find wrong with that analysis.
> 1. Awful college band. Mostly religion, no adventurous
> college radio scene. Very little NPR programming, besides
> the basic programs most carry.
> No interesting alt station like KCRW (Santa Monica), WXPN
> (Philly) or KEXP (Seattle.) No alternate-point-of-view
> station like Pacifica. Not enough good news analysis
> programming on KJZZ.
> Not one folk program on Phoenix public radio.
> Oh, and something that shouldn't be legal: Family Radio KPHF
> full-power on 88.3 from 7:30 p.m. to 4 a.m., yet translated
> on 88.9. Even if they can legally qualify for the satellator
> for the other 15 hours, there's no need to translate the
> contents of a full-power signal during those hours.
> Commercial band:
> Two classic rock soundalikes. KZON a poor alternative,
> heading into a talk format which doesn't work in most
> cities. (Check with the folks at the Buzz in Seattle. Oops,
> they're now country, and they're the Wolf. Guess you don't
> need to check after all.)
> Other ridiculous lack of diversity on the Phoenix dial:
> Spanish 105.3/105.9. They do well, but only need one dial
> position and a full-coverage facility. Same for 106.9/107.1,
> but at least that'll change soon.
> Almost every format I hear here sounds much better in other
> cities. I spent some time in Seattle a couple months back,
> and wished I could bring the radio back here with me when I
> returned. Much better on all counts. About the only things I
> missed were KPHX and KAZG.
> Lately even KTAR/KMVP doesn't live up to their full
> potential. If the D-Backs do a trade on a Suns game night,
> can't even do local talk on KMVP, or even get much news
> about it after 6. (Or reverse the sports with the same
> scenario in April.)
> Radio in Phoenix is the best case for XM and Sirius I can
> imagine. Locals fall short of their potential, and the
> national stuff is already on the bird, often with better
> signal and fidelity.
>
It depends on what one considers diverse. When I lived in Phoenix, I thought the radio wasn't that great. My personal taste is Old and New School R&B like: Lyfe Jennings, Vivian Green, Heather Headley, Gerald Levert, etc. You couldn't find these artists on commerical radio in Phoenix when they had something new come out. Even on KYOT, their Urban adult crossover doesn't go that deep like WNUA in Chicago. But you could ALWAYS find a barrage of rap, rap , rap. Maybe if you are hispanic or caucasian, you would consider Phoenix a diverse market, but if you are black, it isn't diverse at all.
 
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