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Lake Effect?

TheBigA said:
Because he's not a corporate competitor. Some may even still have drinks with him from time to time.

I'm very friendly with my competitors and even share information from time to time. As long as I know it won't bite me.
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Surprising to many, lots of us have friends at "the competition".

When I was a GM back in Puerto Rico before "going corporate" there were a several other market station managers who would get together after work every couple of Fridays, rotating through each of our offices. I ended up hosting more often as the stations were on a little mountain top with a marvelous city view from my office...

We'd talk about the industry, but mostly we'd share old radio stories and anecdotes and catch up on our respective families and stuff. Obviously, we had to be sure that we were not engaging in collusion, but we were competitors who understood that there was more than one seat at the table in radio.

Of course, Don Q was the guest of honor at these gatherings.

So yeah, if Buddy maintained goodwill at Entercom, and they find an LMA more efficient than operating a station, there is no reason why such a thing could not happen.
 
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DavidEduardo said:
So yeah, if Buddy maintained goodwill at Entercom, and they find an LMA more efficient than operating a station, there is no reason why such a thing could not happen.
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For example I'm reading that Bonneville and Cox are going to stream their stations on Entercom's Radio.com platform. There are competitors working together.
 
I'd like to thank our two "market experts" for commenting on relationships in Buffalo radio - particularly in this case. Yes, we know each other here. Most of us get along with each other. But, like most brothers and sisters, if you put your hand in my pocket, I'll cut you.

I think E9 hit it on the head. It could happen, but there would be severe restrictions. The "house" (Entercom) would have to get a pretty big cut for them to be interested. They'd effectively be giving up the ability to bundle the station with their own properties, and they still have debt service on a station that they overpaid for. Remember the original reason they did that - to prevent anybody else from using it as a flanker against them. At the time, it was Citadel looking to use it as a CHR in combo with a Canadian station to attack Kiss/Star's women numbers.

Any LMA has to go through Entercom corporate. They will NOT do Buddy any favors. If he did make a deal and manage to create a player in the market, they'd pull the rug out from under him in a NY minute.
 
I'm told media competitors in Buffalo and Rochester get together with frequency. Although I'm outside the circle of influence, I've been invited to a few of these events. The atmosphere is collegial and ribald, stories are told and the world's problems are always solved before the check arrives. Occasionally there's a spirited debate among competitors. Maybe Entercom does a deal with BS, but as Rox notes it will need corporate blessing after being reviewed by a few guys wearing thousand dollar suits. Entercom will get its just share of the vig and guarantees, and its properties will be protected. Frankly, I think E'com prefers to bake their own pies and sell them, but who knows. Seems Oldies on 107.7 would conflict with the WBEN brand, but would being on 107.7 make a spit of difference with potential listeners who can already access the product on two metro signals? If a format lands on 107.7, does it make a sound?
 
KB 1520 was "Oldies" for a while. Entercom changed the format, likely because it was a small threat to WBEN at the time. When you own groups of stations, your competition is inside and out.

Entercom is not likely to give up control of 107.7 when they aren't being forced to. If CBS had still been in Buffalo when the merge happened, then they would have had to spin off some stations. Entercom has blundered WLKK, but they aren't likely to give it away...
 
SirRoxalot said:
I'd like to thank our two "market experts" for commenting on relationships in Buffalo radio - particularly in this case. Yes, we know each other here. Most of us get along with each other. But, like most brothers and sisters, if you put your hand in my pocket, I'll cut you.

I think E9 hit it on the head. It could happen, but there would be severe restrictions. The "house" (Entercom) would have to get a pretty big cut for them to be interested. They'd effectively be giving up the ability to bundle the station with their own properties, and they still have debt service on a station that they overpaid for. Remember the original reason they did that - to prevent anybody else from using it as a flanker against them. At the time, it was Citadel looking to use it as a CHR in combo with a Canadian station to attack Kiss/Star's women numbers.

Any LMA has to go through Entercom corporate. They will NOT do Buddy any favors. If he did make a deal and manage to create a player in the market, they'd pull the rug out from under him in a NY minute.
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You folks apparently know much more than I do when it comes to radio ownership and what it going on, so there is no use in talking about this. I did say i would have a big announcement this year, and I can also say that I would never put Oldies on 1077. I did not even say that I would have anything to do with that dog of a station. Other than that, since you folks know all the inner workings of corporate and locally owned radio, I will leave it up to you to decide what will happen. I will tell you this, by the end of 2019, Radio One Buffalo, LLC will expand.
 
SirRoxalot said:
I'd like to thank our two "market experts" for commenting on relationships in Buffalo radio
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I don't think that's what I was doing. I'm just saying that, contrary to some of you locals, I'm betting on Buddy.

Maybe he'll do this LMA, maybe he won't, but in any case, I'm rooting for him.
 
I believe most posters here are ambivalent, not rooting for or against. Most posters have a low threshold for hype and it sometimes gets testy. I don't see any real "haters" as much as I see "dissenters." Whatayagonnado. It's a radio message board. The thread began as a question regarding 107.7 and got on a tangent. I'd be surprised if Entercom LMAs 107.7 to anybody. What wouldn't surprise me is seeing somebody who owns a certain kilowatt AM and two translators try to work a deal for a bonafide FM, whether it's the Cumulus cluster or a swap + cash deal for the almost unknown locally owned religious FM 101.7 and 92.1, the latter being classified as non-com, but with some FCC lawyering, potentially returning to commercial status.

Feh. Who knows. I'm just here for the ten cent wings.
 
SirRoxalot said:
Would oldies on 107.7 have significant impact in the market? Buddy's already got translators that cover the metro pretty well. If Entercom let Buddy LMA it to go country it would impact WBEE in Rochester - which is why they haven't gone country in Buffalo already.

E9's got it right. There would be stringent control over what formats they'd allow for an LMA. BTW, if they did LMA it, and the format worked, what would keep Entercom from saying "thank you very much" and just coopting the format?

I'm not sure why people think Entercom would do Buddy any favors. He's a competitor who took his list with him and is knocking on the same doors for his own station that he knocked on for Entercom, looking for a piece of their action.

Buddy, you did shoe-horn in a translator into North Tonawanda. Congratulations. A sliver of Grand Island and some farmland in Sanborn tremble.
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A sliver in Grand Island and Sanborn? Seriously? Have you driven the Tonawanda's ?
 
TheBigA said:
For example I'm reading that Bonneville and Cox are going to stream their stations on Entercom's Radio.com platform. There are competitors working together.
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If memory serves, Cumulus stations at one point could be accessed on iHeartRadio's app. (That includes the ones in Buffalo and, presumably, Erie.) I don't know if that's the case now.
 
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