We have been assured of no major layoffs , like the small / mediums got. They were bleeding the company. Rest easy is the word. There are no industry murmur's, rumors, whispering, at all. Lets face it, nothing stays quiet in radio. Our bosses actually told the truth, it's the CC haters speaking to throw us off, and hoping it effects our on air and sales. Nobody with any solid job as an insider, are talking, just gius who have been fired, posting from Bowling Green , Kentucky
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Large / Major market CC, TAKE A BREATH!
- Thread starter shoothoops
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You sure about the location? CC doesn't have any stations in Bowling Green, KY. I guess it could be someone from a Nashville CC station who lives in Bowling Green, but that would make for an inconvenient commute (about an hour each way).
As to the rest of your post, I'm not aware of what was said nor in which thread it may have been, but it really doesn't take a "hater" to prognosticate that CC might have some more layoffs coming up.
I'm not saying that it's going to happen, but would you really expect your bosses to walk around advertising the fact that there could be more layoffs coming up? Of course not. Truth be told, depending on what level of "boss" you're speaking of, they may be in the dark as well until day-of.
Look around your building. See any shows with more than one person? Hell, see any live, local midday or night shows? See a PD with only one station? See any part timers? Those are all cuts waiting to happen. It's not "if"....it's "when."
By the way; the above doesn't apply only to CC. The same could be said of any radio company whose name begins with a "C." Or any radio company who has the letter "c" anywhere in it. Or any other letter. It's just the state of radio, bud.
As to the rest of your post, I'm not aware of what was said nor in which thread it may have been, but it really doesn't take a "hater" to prognosticate that CC might have some more layoffs coming up.
I'm not saying that it's going to happen, but would you really expect your bosses to walk around advertising the fact that there could be more layoffs coming up? Of course not. Truth be told, depending on what level of "boss" you're speaking of, they may be in the dark as well until day-of.
Look around your building. See any shows with more than one person? Hell, see any live, local midday or night shows? See a PD with only one station? See any part timers? Those are all cuts waiting to happen. It's not "if"....it's "when."
By the way; the above doesn't apply only to CC. The same could be said of any radio company whose name begins with a "C." Or any radio company who has the letter "c" anywhere in it. Or any other letter. It's just the state of radio, bud.
Saying the poster's came from Bowling green was to make a point, that no nothings love to spread rumors, got to work on that sense of humor there. once again, you are speculating, no solid facts, nothing you heard. The group slashing is over
I never stated anything as fact, my friend. It should have been pretty obvious from the way it was stated that I was surmising. If you don't want to read conjecture, best guesses, rumors & unsubstantiated feelings, you should really go find a different forum, because you're going to get a steady diet of all of those things here.
Point was: there's a reason people say those things about CC. Look at their track record. Hell, look at their track record *specifically around this time of year.*
As to your jab at Bowling Green, KY (and small markets in general, I take it), that shows an arrogance (not to mention ignorance) on your part that probably just isn't founded, as if arrogance ever is. Bowling Green happens to be one of several small/medium markets in which I've worked and I guarantee you that there are people there right now who could program/jock circles around you. And they do it for substantially less pay and with a lot less (if any) budget. Of course, I'm only surmising here since all I have to go on so far is your writing style (telling as that is, with so many grammatical errors and typos), and the fact that you apparently find it humorous to belittle people not as "established" as yourself. There are stations there that, if they could pick up and move here, would put a helluva scare in some of the Orlando stations.
I've spent parts of four decades (80s, 90s, 00s and 10s, in case you couldn't keep up) jocking, programming, testing/scheduling music, doing auditorium tests, call outs, critiquing jocks, brainstorming/executing promotions, researching, writing copy, producing, voicing, doing appearances/remotes, etc., etc., etc. I've had down books and I've had 20+ shares. I've worked in virtually every size market and can tell you that radio is a lot more alike in Bowling Green, Kentucky vs Orlando, Florida than you might like to admit.
Before you go looking down your nose at other people who are basically doing the *exact*
same job as you, but doing it better for less money (for whatever personal reasons they may
have), why don't take a good long look in the mirror and ask yourself why you feel it necessary
to degrade others?
Point was: there's a reason people say those things about CC. Look at their track record. Hell, look at their track record *specifically around this time of year.*
As to your jab at Bowling Green, KY (and small markets in general, I take it), that shows an arrogance (not to mention ignorance) on your part that probably just isn't founded, as if arrogance ever is. Bowling Green happens to be one of several small/medium markets in which I've worked and I guarantee you that there are people there right now who could program/jock circles around you. And they do it for substantially less pay and with a lot less (if any) budget. Of course, I'm only surmising here since all I have to go on so far is your writing style (telling as that is, with so many grammatical errors and typos), and the fact that you apparently find it humorous to belittle people not as "established" as yourself. There are stations there that, if they could pick up and move here, would put a helluva scare in some of the Orlando stations.
I've spent parts of four decades (80s, 90s, 00s and 10s, in case you couldn't keep up) jocking, programming, testing/scheduling music, doing auditorium tests, call outs, critiquing jocks, brainstorming/executing promotions, researching, writing copy, producing, voicing, doing appearances/remotes, etc., etc., etc. I've had down books and I've had 20+ shares. I've worked in virtually every size market and can tell you that radio is a lot more alike in Bowling Green, Kentucky vs Orlando, Florida than you might like to admit.
Before you go looking down your nose at other people who are basically doing the *exact*
same job as you, but doing it better for less money (for whatever personal reasons they may
have), why don't take a good long look in the mirror and ask yourself why you feel it necessary
to degrade others?
Didn't mean to insult your market, if you did 4 decades, and made it as far as Bowling Green, we be proud.
Work on your reading comprehension. Where does it say I stopped with Bowling Green? Where does it say it stopped at all?
I didn't come here looking for a disagreement, but you continue to come across as a disagreeable person. You've got a juvenile, rookie attitude that isn't going to serve you well. Remember that when someone who paid their dues in the "minors" becomes the person to whom you answer & they get tired of your "majors" ego.
Get out of your own market and listen to some other stations. You'll be surprised at how bland most Orlando radio is. It's not particularly bad, but it sure doesn't stand out; it's homogenous...the same crap and clutter you'll hear in every other top 50-100 market. Now go online and stream some stations from elsewhere. Major markets, medium markets and small markets, too. You'll learn plenty (and trust me, even if you don't think you've got anything left to learn, you do).
Radio is radio, dude. It ain't all that different from market 5 to 50 to market 200. It's still cracking a mic & entertaining/informing people.
I didn't come here looking for a disagreement, but you continue to come across as a disagreeable person. You've got a juvenile, rookie attitude that isn't going to serve you well. Remember that when someone who paid their dues in the "minors" becomes the person to whom you answer & they get tired of your "majors" ego.
Get out of your own market and listen to some other stations. You'll be surprised at how bland most Orlando radio is. It's not particularly bad, but it sure doesn't stand out; it's homogenous...the same crap and clutter you'll hear in every other top 50-100 market. Now go online and stream some stations from elsewhere. Major markets, medium markets and small markets, too. You'll learn plenty (and trust me, even if you don't think you've got anything left to learn, you do).
Radio is radio, dude. It ain't all that different from market 5 to 50 to market 200. It's still cracking a mic & entertaining/informing people.
Yes, i am a rookie, must have lucked into the show. Your not listening to the right stations if you think it's bland. You did come here arrgivated, jumping all over a Bowling Green comment. If you do work here, your part of the bland, i take it. And if there was any radio in western kentucky that sounds better than the bigs, they wouldn't be there anymore, they would be here. No real talent with major's written all over there work, would stay in that mudhole, watching hee-haw reruns on 1 of the 6 channels they get with that big rusted, leaning, tv antenna rigged on top of the doublewide. There is a positive, they dont have to get out, and mow the mud till late spring.
shoothoops said:
Hmmm......
Not sure where you are coming from with your opinion of Bowling Green, but good luck with it. Don't ever think you are "safe" because you never know when they will..............
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So we clear November, but they start whacking right before christmas?
What kind of body count do you hear?
So we clear November, but they start whacking right before christmas?
What kind of body count do you hear?
- Then tell me what station(s) I should try.shoothoops said:
- No, I didn't. Go back and re-read my first post. Again, work on your reading comprehension.shoothoops said:
- Never said *all* Orlando radio is bland. What I said was *most*. I'm also in more than one market.shoothoops said:
- Bowling Green is actually a decent little town. Only city in the world where Corvettes are made. Home to one of the winningest NCAA mens basketball teams in the country. Kind of a bedroom community to Nashville, a top 50 market (with whose stations the Bowling Green stations have to compete). Besides, not everyone aspires to work in Orlando, bud. There are those, in fact, who consider Orlando to be the armpit of Florida (if not of Hell). There are also plenty of jocks who have moved on from Bowling Green to markets like Indianapolis, Atlanta, Nashville, Louisville, Cincinnati, etc., etc. -- all markets comparable in size to Orlando. Truth be told, *most* jocks have a different set of priorities after the age of 25 +/-. Moving from station to station starts to lose its appeal once you start to settle down and put down roots. Plus, the smart ones can still make a decent living in those markets ("Big Fish, Small Pond") with a lot more stability than you'll ever know working for one of the "C" companies.shoothoops said:
Unless you're the next coming of Stern1 you should *really* try to lose the attitude. At a minimum you should look to improve it. In its current form it is not going to help you in your career. Please take the word of someone who's hired & fired dozens upon dozens of people over the last 20+ years. "Attitude" is right at the top of the list of things that can get you a job...or cost you one.
1 = His first commercial radio gig was in Newton, Mass., a town virtually identical in size to Bowling friggin' Green, Kentucky. See? Everybody has to come from somewhere.
DToTheJ said:
Exactly the point I was trying to make to the OP at the end of my first post (even phrased similarly). I hope for his sake
that the small/mid market cuts were the extent of it for CC this year, but they're infamous for cuts right before Xmas.
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vadar
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I'm sorry did someone call Orlando a "large/major market"?
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necrat123
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Orlando is market 34. Arbitron Estimated 1,574,900 12+ Persons.
Depends on what your defintiion of a large market is.
Depends on what your defintiion of a large market is.
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vadar
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I don't think Market #34 "large", thinking a top 20 market is "large" ;D
Just speaking from my experience, but the vast majority of people I've worked with in radio have considered "Major" markets to be markets 1 through 15 +/-. Large markets ~16-50ish. Medium = 50ish through 100. Small would be 101+.
Of course, definitions varied somewhat from person to person. Some said "major" meant only the top 10 markets, or "small" markets didn't start til 150, etc., etc., but you get the point; by almost anyone's definition it would be safe to call Orlando a "large" market. Not major, but large.
Of course, definitions varied somewhat from person to person. Some said "major" meant only the top 10 markets, or "small" markets didn't start til 150, etc., etc., but you get the point; by almost anyone's definition it would be safe to call Orlando a "large" market. Not major, but large.
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johnsummers
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I do live voice tracking for Dial Global, and one of my markets is Bowling Green. It really IS a pretty nice place. The guy who owns the station is one of the most respected owners in America, owns 12 stations, and is on the NAB board. Oh, and he's an actual radio geek.
Why would anyone want CC to take a breath? Longer they hold their breath, the bluer they get.
Sounds to me like "Round Mound of Sound" is one of those obnoxious "I work in radio, RESPECT ME" guys we have far too many of on this board.
Remember, Round Mound, CC always does another round of cuts right before Christmas. You're not out of the woods yet.
Remember, Round Mound, CC always does another round of cuts right before Christmas. You're not out of the woods yet.
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