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Late comments on Su'05 book

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ajhenderson

Interesting how Disney gets ratings in about the 3rd of 50-some markets with Radio Disney. How long has it been since 1260 showed anything?

Where are these numbers for WKKY and WREO coming from? Well, I know somewhat, but you get my drift. Curious as to move-in potential; it might be tougher for 'KKY with WCLV nearby, but I'm not aware of any 97.1's or first adjacents in NEO that would prevent CC from moving the 50kW further west. My curiosity stems from the renewed FM talk fad and the fact that these stations are typically lower in power than music FMs (see: WNIR at 4.2kW). And the fact that WNCX appears to be staying as they are, and that IF Q were to flip, it would be to Jack. Even if it weren't hot talk, CC might have an interest in our old theory about a WPGB-clone imaged as "WTAM-FM".

Just imagine, WERE could go urban talk, WKNR could pick up the sea of dumped brokered programs to be more consistent with Salem, Premiere could move Rome to a younger-skewing CC FM talker and Triv would get Beck back on FM (which Triv would be simulcast on) to restore decent midday numbers. Not likely to happen, but KSL is now doing just that in Salt Lake.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by KJCB on 11/03/05 08:31 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> Where are these numbers for WKKY and WREO coming from? Well,
> I know somewhat, but you get my drift.

Hello, Lake County! Indeed, as noted when the news about new Clear Channel Ashtabula country station WYBL/98.3 came out, it was noted by me and many others that WKKY mostly focused on Lake County. It's licensed to Geneva, and its stick is just inside the Lake/Ashtabula County line, in Lake County. WYBL won't, and can't, try to make any hay (so to speak!) in that direction, due to its signal, and due to CC country sister WGAR/99.5.

> And the fact that WNCX appears to
> be staying as they are, and that IF Q were to flip, it would
> be to Jack. Even if it weren't hot talk, CC might have an
> interest in our old theory about a WPGB-clone imaged as
> "WTAM-FM".

The problem, as noted when we were all pushing around the chess pieces on this, is that there's not really a lot of NEED for Clear Channel to launch a news/talk companion to WTAM. A sports-oriented talker to compete with WKNR? Who knows? But they aren't moving Wills and Coleman, Rush or Triv off of 1100, and the only way an FM comes into play as a talker is simulcasting 1100 entirely.

This all assumes CC dumps any current FM format in Cleveland, and I'm a lot more cautious on speculating that...since I don't have 106.5's in-demo ratings or billing numbers, for one.

> Just imagine, WERE could go urban talk, WKNR could pick up
> the sea of dumped brokered programs to be more consistent
> with Salem, Premiere could move Rome to a younger-skewing CC
> FM talker and Triv would get Beck back on FM (which Triv
> would be simulcast on) to restore decent midday numbers. Not
> likely to happen, but KSL is now doing just that in Salt
> Lake.

That's curious, because KSL is a 50KW flamethrower much like WTAM, and really doesn't need the signal enhancement. And we're not QUITE to the point yet where AM news/talkers will have to really start migrating to FM.

It seems to me that KSL made that move more because there was an upstart new FM talk station about to launch, and they wanted to steal that station's proverbial thunder...and if they were planning on dumping the current FM format anyway, why not plant KSL on the frequency and see how it works?

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
No first adjacent...

> but I'm not aware of any 97.1's or first adjacents in NEO
> that would prevent CC from moving the 50kW further west.

There are definitely no first adjacent issues, but what about second adjacent 97.5 WONE from Akron? The tower is based on the west side of the city of Akron, but gets significant 60dB coverage in much of Cleveland. I don't know what the spacing rules are for second adjacent, nor do I know much about the technical aspects of radio anyways.
 
Re: No first adjacent...

> > but I'm not aware of any 97.1's or first adjacents in NEO
> > that would prevent CC from moving the 50kW further west.
>
> There are definitely no first adjacent issues, but what
> about second adjacent 97.5 WONE from Akron?

There's 96.9 out in Northwest Ohio (Willard COL, I think)...but I don't know if that'd be close enough to stall a 97.1 move-in west from Ashtabula.

Of course, there's no indication that CC is even thinking about moving WREO west, even enough to hit the east side of the Cleveland market better. For that matter, there's no indication that they're thinking of moving it east into the Erie, PA market, as gets rumored once every year or so.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: No first adjacent...

It's 150 miles co-channel to co-channel, 105 miles to a first adjacent and 46 miles to second and thrid adjacents.

Co-channel 97.1 Ashtabula has 97.1 Detroit, and WBNS-FM Columbus

First Adjacent there is WRRK Braddock, Pittsburgh and the Class A in Willard Class A spacing is abt. 72 miles to the 1st adjacent B

On the other first adjacent is WKWK Wheeling (A "B" on 97.3)

96.7 Cambridge/Class A 43 miles
96.5 Akron/B/46 miles

97.5 Akron/ B /46 miles
97.7 Castalia/Sandusky--a Class A

You can go to FCC.Gov, select "search", find out Ashtabula's coordinates, then plug them into "FM Preliminary Survey" program (it's the little selection box at the top of the FM Query screen and the program will show you the distances to these stations and others.

Most stations are rather restricted on where they can move, since the FM allocation scheme is mature.
 
Re: No first adjacent...

> It's 150 miles co-channel to co-channel, 105 miles to a
> first adjacent and 46 miles to second and thrid adjacents.
>
> Co-channel 97.1 Ashtabula has 97.1 Detroit, and WBNS-FM
> Columbus
>
> First Adjacent there is WRRK Braddock, Pittsburgh and the
> Class A in Willard Class A spacing is abt. 72 miles to the
> 1st adjacent B
>
> On the other first adjacent is WKWK Wheeling (A "B" on 97.3)
>
>
> 96.7 Cambridge/Class A 43 miles
> 96.5 Akron/B/46 miles
>
> 97.5 Akron/ B /46 miles
> 97.7 Castalia/Sandusky--a Class A
>
> You can go to FCC.Gov, select "search", find out Ashtabula's
> coordinates, then plug them into "FM Preliminary Survey"
> program (it's the little selection box at the top of the FM
> Query screen and the program will show you the distances to
> these stations and others.
>
> Most stations are rather restricted on where they can move,
> since the FM allocation scheme is mature.
>

Wow. Thanks for the very detailed outlaying of the rules and such. It was very enlightening for me personally.
 
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