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OldiesCat
Guest
S.F. down, Denver up a bit, Baltimore up a little, too.
BIG, big jumps in Dallas and Minneapolis (we're talking 25-54 adults).
BIG, big jumps in Dallas and Minneapolis (we're talking 25-54 adults).
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Wow, how encouraging! LOL!
> S.F. down, Denver up a bit, Baltimore up a little, too.
>
> BIG, big jumps in Dallas and Minneapolis (we're talking
> 25-54 adults).
>
> S.F. down, Denver up a bit, Baltimore up a little, too.
>
> BIG, big jumps in Dallas and Minneapolis (we're talking
> 25-54 adults).
>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
Sarcasm aside, yes it is.
> Wow, how encouraging! LOL!
>
> > S.F. down, Denver up a bit, Baltimore up a little, too.
> >
> > BIG, big jumps in Dallas and Minneapolis (we're talking
> > 25-54 adults).
> >
>
> Wow, how encouraging! LOL!
>
> > S.F. down, Denver up a bit, Baltimore up a little, too.
> >
> > BIG, big jumps in Dallas and Minneapolis (we're talking
> > 25-54 adults).
> >
>
> Wow, how encouraging! LOL!
>
Just out of curiosity, since you are on record as a non-believer of Jack and other Variety Hits formats, are you surprised that some of these stations are getting off to good starts?
> > S.F. down, Denver up a bit, Baltimore up a little, too.
> >
> > BIG, big jumps in Dallas and Minneapolis (we're talking
> > 25-54 adults).
> >
>
>
Just out of curiosity, since you are on record as a non-believer of Jack and other Variety Hits formats, are you surprised that some of these stations are getting off to good starts?
> > S.F. down, Denver up a bit, Baltimore up a little, too.
> >
> > BIG, big jumps in Dallas and Minneapolis (we're talking
> > 25-54 adults).
> >
>
> S.F. down, Denver up a bit, Baltimore up a little, too.
>
> BIG, big jumps in Dallas and Minneapolis (we're talking
> 25-54 adults).
>
I find it interesting that Dallas jumped up. The idea of Jack falling off after a year, may be incorrect, even though we saw a slight fall in Dallas. I guess we will see.<P ID="signature">______________
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>
> BIG, big jumps in Dallas and Minneapolis (we're talking
> 25-54 adults).
>
I find it interesting that Dallas jumped up. The idea of Jack falling off after a year, may be incorrect, even though we saw a slight fall in Dallas. I guess we will see.<P ID="signature">______________
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Not really, I'd like to ask you, what's a good start? Chicago? New York? Real Markets? Are they getting better rates? Will they? I day no to both and that's the way it's going to be. If so then they need to cherish those moments because they won't last. When Clear Channel, in their infinite wisdom flipped The Beat to Kiss they never recovered. They went from 22 million to about 15 million and that took almost six years. Great move. The only reason Kiss is about to beat B96 is because B96 is losing their hold on Hispanics due to La Kalle. Kiss didn't get better, B got real competition. Kiss' numbers are still terrible. Kiss didn't really raise their numbers to win, B96 lost numbers. When it comes down to it it's all about the billing and Kiss doesn't bill half of what B96 does and yet they flipped from the Beat to Kiss thinking they would. They were wrong, just as Infiniy is wrong about Jack.
Perhaps in Los Angeles Jack can survive a bit longer than the rest of the markets, not much more than two years because of the void it filled but even then I don't see L.A. hanging on past that. Dallas, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Baltimore, S.F. and the rest? I figure about 14 more months for them and they'll be fishing for ways to spin their way out of why it's not working. What I've been saying is that for the most part this format will not outbill or outprofit what it replaced; Not in Chicago, New York, L.A., San Francisco and the majority of the rest and that's what makes it a LOSER. Lest we forget their reasons for flipping a format is because they wish to make more money. Eventually, they'll have to bail because it will become a stalemated non event in their portfolio.
Maybe in the smaller markets Jack would work, it does to some degree now where podunk stations play everything and anything without calling itself Jack, it's called small town radio. For the last 20 years people have been conditioned to go to a certain music station for one form of music, back then "instant gratification" wasn't an option like it is today. While it may be cool now to hear Jack's version of variety eventually it will wear thin and then people will want "their" variety not someone else's and a radio station can't be everyone's version of "variety" for each person listening, it's not possible and it's ludicrous to build a concept on that assumption.
Because they're playing a "variety" of what is heard up and down the dial everyday (just here, it's on one station) doesn't mean it's good or genius. I always have and always will stand by my beliefs based on my experiences and in my expert, weathered opinion, this format is suicide.
> > Wow, how encouraging! LOL!
> >
>
> Just out of curiosity, since you are on record as a
> non-believer of Jack and other Variety Hits formats, are you
> surprised that some of these stations are getting off to
> good starts?
>
>
> > > S.F. down, Denver up a bit, Baltimore up a little, too.
> > >
> > > BIG, big jumps in Dallas and Minneapolis (we're talking
> > > 25-54 adults).
> > >
> >
>
Perhaps in Los Angeles Jack can survive a bit longer than the rest of the markets, not much more than two years because of the void it filled but even then I don't see L.A. hanging on past that. Dallas, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Baltimore, S.F. and the rest? I figure about 14 more months for them and they'll be fishing for ways to spin their way out of why it's not working. What I've been saying is that for the most part this format will not outbill or outprofit what it replaced; Not in Chicago, New York, L.A., San Francisco and the majority of the rest and that's what makes it a LOSER. Lest we forget their reasons for flipping a format is because they wish to make more money. Eventually, they'll have to bail because it will become a stalemated non event in their portfolio.
Maybe in the smaller markets Jack would work, it does to some degree now where podunk stations play everything and anything without calling itself Jack, it's called small town radio. For the last 20 years people have been conditioned to go to a certain music station for one form of music, back then "instant gratification" wasn't an option like it is today. While it may be cool now to hear Jack's version of variety eventually it will wear thin and then people will want "their" variety not someone else's and a radio station can't be everyone's version of "variety" for each person listening, it's not possible and it's ludicrous to build a concept on that assumption.
Because they're playing a "variety" of what is heard up and down the dial everyday (just here, it's on one station) doesn't mean it's good or genius. I always have and always will stand by my beliefs based on my experiences and in my expert, weathered opinion, this format is suicide.
> > Wow, how encouraging! LOL!
> >
>
> Just out of curiosity, since you are on record as a
> non-believer of Jack and other Variety Hits formats, are you
> surprised that some of these stations are getting off to
> good starts?
>
>
> > > S.F. down, Denver up a bit, Baltimore up a little, too.
> > >
> > > BIG, big jumps in Dallas and Minneapolis (we're talking
> > > 25-54 adults).
> > >
> >
>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
JACK numbers
man, you are just 100% convinced (for a variety of nosensical reasons) that Jack won't work. You just plain totally hate the concept.
Question: what makes you believe YOU are right and "Infinity is wrong about Jack"? What info do you have they do not? How is it YOU are so much more in touch with listeners and they're just throwing things up to see what will stick?
> Not really, I'd like to ask you, what's a good start?
> Chicago? New York? Real Markets? Are they getting better
> rates? Will they? I day no to both and that's the way it's
> going to be. If so then they need to cherish those moments
> because they won't last. When Clear Channel, in their
> infinite wisdom flipped The Beat to Kiss they never
> recovered. They went from 22 million to about 15 million and
> that took almost six years. Great move. The only reason Kiss
> is about to beat B96 is because B96 is losing their hold on
> Hispanics due to La Kalle. Kiss didn't get better, B got
> real competition. Kiss' numbers are still terrible. Kiss
> didn't really raise their numbers to win, B96 lost numbers.
> When it comes down to it it's all about the billing and Kiss
> doesn't bill half of what B96 does and yet they flipped from
> the Beat to Kiss thinking they would. They were wrong, just
> as Infiniy is wrong about Jack.
>
> Perhaps in Los Angeles Jack can survive a bit longer than
> the rest of the markets, not much more than two years
> because of the void it filled but even then I don't see L.A.
> hanging on past that. Dallas, Milwaukee, Minneapolis,
> Baltimore, S.F. and the rest? I figure about 14 more months
> for them and they'll be fishing for ways to spin their way
> out of why it's not working. What I've been saying is that
> for the most part this format will not outbill or outprofit
> what it replaced; Not in Chicago, New York, L.A., San
> Francisco and the majority of the rest and that's what makes
> it a LOSER. Lest we forget their reasons for flipping a
> format is because they wish to make more money. Eventually,
> they'll have to bail because it will become a stalemated non
> event in their portfolio.
>
> Maybe in the smaller markets Jack would work, it does to
> some degree now where podunk stations play everything and
> anything without calling itself Jack, it's called small town
> radio. For the last 20 years people have been conditioned to
> go to a certain music station for one form of music, back
> then "instant gratification" wasn't an option like it is
> today. While it may be cool now to hear Jack's version of
> variety eventually it will wear thin and then people will
> want "their" variety not someone else's and a radio station
> can't be everyone's version of "variety" for each person
> listening, it's not possible and it's ludicrous to build a
> concept on that assumption.
>
> Because they're playing a "variety" of what is heard up and
> down the dial everyday (just here, it's on one station)
> doesn't mean it's good or genius. I always have and always
> will stand by my beliefs based on my experiences and in my
> expert, weathered opinion, this format is suicide.
>
man, you are just 100% convinced (for a variety of nosensical reasons) that Jack won't work. You just plain totally hate the concept.
Question: what makes you believe YOU are right and "Infinity is wrong about Jack"? What info do you have they do not? How is it YOU are so much more in touch with listeners and they're just throwing things up to see what will stick?
> Not really, I'd like to ask you, what's a good start?
> Chicago? New York? Real Markets? Are they getting better
> rates? Will they? I day no to both and that's the way it's
> going to be. If so then they need to cherish those moments
> because they won't last. When Clear Channel, in their
> infinite wisdom flipped The Beat to Kiss they never
> recovered. They went from 22 million to about 15 million and
> that took almost six years. Great move. The only reason Kiss
> is about to beat B96 is because B96 is losing their hold on
> Hispanics due to La Kalle. Kiss didn't get better, B got
> real competition. Kiss' numbers are still terrible. Kiss
> didn't really raise their numbers to win, B96 lost numbers.
> When it comes down to it it's all about the billing and Kiss
> doesn't bill half of what B96 does and yet they flipped from
> the Beat to Kiss thinking they would. They were wrong, just
> as Infiniy is wrong about Jack.
>
> Perhaps in Los Angeles Jack can survive a bit longer than
> the rest of the markets, not much more than two years
> because of the void it filled but even then I don't see L.A.
> hanging on past that. Dallas, Milwaukee, Minneapolis,
> Baltimore, S.F. and the rest? I figure about 14 more months
> for them and they'll be fishing for ways to spin their way
> out of why it's not working. What I've been saying is that
> for the most part this format will not outbill or outprofit
> what it replaced; Not in Chicago, New York, L.A., San
> Francisco and the majority of the rest and that's what makes
> it a LOSER. Lest we forget their reasons for flipping a
> format is because they wish to make more money. Eventually,
> they'll have to bail because it will become a stalemated non
> event in their portfolio.
>
> Maybe in the smaller markets Jack would work, it does to
> some degree now where podunk stations play everything and
> anything without calling itself Jack, it's called small town
> radio. For the last 20 years people have been conditioned to
> go to a certain music station for one form of music, back
> then "instant gratification" wasn't an option like it is
> today. While it may be cool now to hear Jack's version of
> variety eventually it will wear thin and then people will
> want "their" variety not someone else's and a radio station
> can't be everyone's version of "variety" for each person
> listening, it's not possible and it's ludicrous to build a
> concept on that assumption.
>
> Because they're playing a "variety" of what is heard up and
> down the dial everyday (just here, it's on one station)
> doesn't mean it's good or genius. I always have and always
> will stand by my beliefs based on my experiences and in my
> expert, weathered opinion, this format is suicide.
>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
JACK numbers
I think too much gets read into these monthly trends- stations go up, stations go down. It's laughable to see all the cynics see a down month or two and pronounce Jack a failure already.
>
> I find it interesting that Dallas jumped up. The idea of
> Jack falling off after a year, may be incorrect, even though
> we saw a slight fall in Dallas. I guess we will see.
>
I think too much gets read into these monthly trends- stations go up, stations go down. It's laughable to see all the cynics see a down month or two and pronounce Jack a failure already.
>
> I find it interesting that Dallas jumped up. The idea of
> Jack falling off after a year, may be incorrect, even though
> we saw a slight fall in Dallas. I guess we will see.
>
Re: JACK numbers
> Question: what makes you believe YOU are right and
> "Infinity is wrong about Jack"? What info do you have they
> do not? How is it YOU are so much more in touch with
> listeners and they're just throwing things up to see what
> will stick?
>
I don't mean to answer for "musicloverII", but my response would be "Because it's Infinity". They haven't seemed to be able to make a smart move in years. I've heard lousy radio out of some of their properties and noticed what I would call questionable descions well before JACK came on the scene. From their handling of WNEW/BLINK, to the lack of succession plan for Howard Stern to their late acceptance of streaming, the list goes on. And you can't ignore a $10 billion dollar write-down of goodwill no matter how it's spun.
Of course this doesn't go for 100% of their stations and many still bill &/or rate well. Who knows, maybe JACK will be the descision that makes them look smart again.
> Question: what makes you believe YOU are right and
> "Infinity is wrong about Jack"? What info do you have they
> do not? How is it YOU are so much more in touch with
> listeners and they're just throwing things up to see what
> will stick?
>
I don't mean to answer for "musicloverII", but my response would be "Because it's Infinity". They haven't seemed to be able to make a smart move in years. I've heard lousy radio out of some of their properties and noticed what I would call questionable descions well before JACK came on the scene. From their handling of WNEW/BLINK, to the lack of succession plan for Howard Stern to their late acceptance of streaming, the list goes on. And you can't ignore a $10 billion dollar write-down of goodwill no matter how it's spun.
Of course this doesn't go for 100% of their stations and many still bill &/or rate well. Who knows, maybe JACK will be the descision that makes them look smart again.
D
DennisJohnson
Guest
Re: JACK numbers
> I think too much gets read into these monthly trends-
> stations go up, stations go down. It's laughable to see all
> the cynics see a down month or two and pronounce Jack a
> failure already.
Agreed. It should be given a chance!
> > I find it interesting that Dallas jumped up. The idea of
> > Jack falling off after a year, may be incorrect, even
> though
> > we saw a slight fall in Dallas. I guess we will see.
> >
>
> I think too much gets read into these monthly trends-
> stations go up, stations go down. It's laughable to see all
> the cynics see a down month or two and pronounce Jack a
> failure already.
Agreed. It should be given a chance!
> > I find it interesting that Dallas jumped up. The idea of
> > Jack falling off after a year, may be incorrect, even
> though
> > we saw a slight fall in Dallas. I guess we will see.
> >
>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
JACK numbers
don't U think that could be said for every radio group, though? And, so far,
while 2 of their Jack moves(NY & Chicago) have been unpopular with radio folk
and NYC Oldies enthusiasts, most of their moves to Jack are looking pretty good
so far.
Noboby hits 100% and Infinity shouldn't be expected to, either. It all makes me wonder what kind of success records the critics of Jack and Infinity have themselves? Lousy, I'd bet- it's always easier to criticize a 'big dog' than try to understand them.
>
> I don't mean to answer for "musicloverII", but my response
> would be "Because it's Infinity". They haven't seemed to be
> able to make a smart move in years. I've heard lousy radio
> out of some of their properties and noticed what I would
> call questionable descions well before JACK came on the
> scene. From their handling of WNEW/BLINK, to the lack of
> succession plan for Howard Stern to their late acceptance of
> streaming, the list goes on. And you can't ignore a $10
> billion dollar write-down of goodwill no matter how it's
> spun.
>
> Of course this doesn't go for 100% of their stations and
> many still bill &/or rate well. Who knows, maybe JACK will
> be the descision that makes them look smart again.
>
don't U think that could be said for every radio group, though? And, so far,
while 2 of their Jack moves(NY & Chicago) have been unpopular with radio folk
and NYC Oldies enthusiasts, most of their moves to Jack are looking pretty good
so far.
Noboby hits 100% and Infinity shouldn't be expected to, either. It all makes me wonder what kind of success records the critics of Jack and Infinity have themselves? Lousy, I'd bet- it's always easier to criticize a 'big dog' than try to understand them.
>
> I don't mean to answer for "musicloverII", but my response
> would be "Because it's Infinity". They haven't seemed to be
> able to make a smart move in years. I've heard lousy radio
> out of some of their properties and noticed what I would
> call questionable descions well before JACK came on the
> scene. From their handling of WNEW/BLINK, to the lack of
> succession plan for Howard Stern to their late acceptance of
> streaming, the list goes on. And you can't ignore a $10
> billion dollar write-down of goodwill no matter how it's
> spun.
>
> Of course this doesn't go for 100% of their stations and
> many still bill &/or rate well. Who knows, maybe JACK will
> be the descision that makes them look smart again.
>
Re: JACK numbers
You don't know who I am, true. You can look at my posts on this board, I'm very seldom off. I only speak on what I know. I don't offer comments of consult on anything I'm not 100% sure of. That's how I became successful in radio. I am no longer in radio. I've done my time and have my share of #1's in my past. I dislike Jack because it's a knee-jerk reaction made by people who justify it by saying a myriad of stupid things.
There's many formats that they could've gone with, many companies make stupid moves only to see their new choice nose dive, they make up excuses like the ones we're hearing for Jack before it gets off the ground here in the States. It's another stupid idea from people who are way out of touch with what's happening on both the tech side and radio side of the business. Just because it's a big company doesn't mean they know what they're doing. I'm not in awe of incompetence, no matter who employs it.
Many say wait a while and it will happen. I say, that's bull. Plenty of stations that flip explode with ratings when done right. Waiting a few years for something to eventually catch up with where it was when it was flipped defeats the entire purpose for the flip in the first place.
I don't personally care about "formats" per ce, I care about what works, what doesn't. It's never a personal taste issue for me, it's a common sense thing and Jack has none.
You want to get an idea of what I'm about, search my name and read my posts in the past. I'm usually on, sometimes to the rating point.
> man, you are just 100% convinced (for a variety of
> nosensical reasons) that Jack won't work. You just plain
> totally hate the concept.
>
> Question: what makes you believe YOU are right and
> "Infinity is wrong about Jack"? What info do you have they
> do not? How is it YOU are so much more in touch with
> listeners and they're just throwing things up to see what
> will stick?
>
> > Not really, I'd like to ask you, what's a good start?
> > Chicago? New York? Real Markets? Are they getting better
> > rates? Will they? I day no to both and that's the way it's
>
> > going to be. If so then they need to cherish those moments
>
> > because they won't last. When Clear Channel, in their
> > infinite wisdom flipped The Beat to Kiss they never
> > recovered. They went from 22 million to about 15 million
> and
> > that took almost six years. Great move. The only reason
> Kiss
> > is about to beat B96 is because B96 is losing their hold
> on
> > Hispanics due to La Kalle. Kiss didn't get better, B got
> > real competition. Kiss' numbers are still terrible. Kiss
> > didn't really raise their numbers to win, B96 lost
> numbers.
> > When it comes down to it it's all about the billing and
> Kiss
> > doesn't bill half of what B96 does and yet they flipped
> from
> > the Beat to Kiss thinking they would. They were wrong,
> just
> > as Infiniy is wrong about Jack.
> >
> > Perhaps in Los Angeles Jack can survive a bit longer than
> > the rest of the markets, not much more than two years
> > because of the void it filled but even then I don't see
> L.A.
> > hanging on past that. Dallas, Milwaukee, Minneapolis,
> > Baltimore, S.F. and the rest? I figure about 14 more
> months
> > for them and they'll be fishing for ways to spin their way
>
> > out of why it's not working. What I've been saying is that
>
> > for the most part this format will not outbill or
> outprofit
> > what it replaced; Not in Chicago, New York, L.A., San
> > Francisco and the majority of the rest and that's what
> makes
> > it a LOSER. Lest we forget their reasons for flipping a
> > format is because they wish to make more money.
> Eventually,
> > they'll have to bail because it will become a stalemated
> non
> > event in their portfolio.
> >
> > Maybe in the smaller markets Jack would work, it does to
> > some degree now where podunk stations play everything and
> > anything without calling itself Jack, it's called small
> town
> > radio. For the last 20 years people have been conditioned
> to
> > go to a certain music station for one form of music, back
> > then "instant gratification" wasn't an option like it is
> > today. While it may be cool now to hear Jack's version of
> > variety eventually it will wear thin and then people will
> > want "their" variety not someone else's and a radio
> station
> > can't be everyone's version of "variety" for each person
> > listening, it's not possible and it's ludicrous to build a
>
> > concept on that assumption.
> >
> > Because they're playing a "variety" of what is heard up
> and
> > down the dial everyday (just here, it's on one station)
> > doesn't mean it's good or genius. I always have and always
>
> > will stand by my beliefs based on my experiences and in my
>
> > expert, weathered opinion, this format is suicide.
> >
>
You don't know who I am, true. You can look at my posts on this board, I'm very seldom off. I only speak on what I know. I don't offer comments of consult on anything I'm not 100% sure of. That's how I became successful in radio. I am no longer in radio. I've done my time and have my share of #1's in my past. I dislike Jack because it's a knee-jerk reaction made by people who justify it by saying a myriad of stupid things.
There's many formats that they could've gone with, many companies make stupid moves only to see their new choice nose dive, they make up excuses like the ones we're hearing for Jack before it gets off the ground here in the States. It's another stupid idea from people who are way out of touch with what's happening on both the tech side and radio side of the business. Just because it's a big company doesn't mean they know what they're doing. I'm not in awe of incompetence, no matter who employs it.
Many say wait a while and it will happen. I say, that's bull. Plenty of stations that flip explode with ratings when done right. Waiting a few years for something to eventually catch up with where it was when it was flipped defeats the entire purpose for the flip in the first place.
I don't personally care about "formats" per ce, I care about what works, what doesn't. It's never a personal taste issue for me, it's a common sense thing and Jack has none.
You want to get an idea of what I'm about, search my name and read my posts in the past. I'm usually on, sometimes to the rating point.
> man, you are just 100% convinced (for a variety of
> nosensical reasons) that Jack won't work. You just plain
> totally hate the concept.
>
> Question: what makes you believe YOU are right and
> "Infinity is wrong about Jack"? What info do you have they
> do not? How is it YOU are so much more in touch with
> listeners and they're just throwing things up to see what
> will stick?
>
> > Not really, I'd like to ask you, what's a good start?
> > Chicago? New York? Real Markets? Are they getting better
> > rates? Will they? I day no to both and that's the way it's
>
> > going to be. If so then they need to cherish those moments
>
> > because they won't last. When Clear Channel, in their
> > infinite wisdom flipped The Beat to Kiss they never
> > recovered. They went from 22 million to about 15 million
> and
> > that took almost six years. Great move. The only reason
> Kiss
> > is about to beat B96 is because B96 is losing their hold
> on
> > Hispanics due to La Kalle. Kiss didn't get better, B got
> > real competition. Kiss' numbers are still terrible. Kiss
> > didn't really raise their numbers to win, B96 lost
> numbers.
> > When it comes down to it it's all about the billing and
> Kiss
> > doesn't bill half of what B96 does and yet they flipped
> from
> > the Beat to Kiss thinking they would. They were wrong,
> just
> > as Infiniy is wrong about Jack.
> >
> > Perhaps in Los Angeles Jack can survive a bit longer than
> > the rest of the markets, not much more than two years
> > because of the void it filled but even then I don't see
> L.A.
> > hanging on past that. Dallas, Milwaukee, Minneapolis,
> > Baltimore, S.F. and the rest? I figure about 14 more
> months
> > for them and they'll be fishing for ways to spin their way
>
> > out of why it's not working. What I've been saying is that
>
> > for the most part this format will not outbill or
> outprofit
> > what it replaced; Not in Chicago, New York, L.A., San
> > Francisco and the majority of the rest and that's what
> makes
> > it a LOSER. Lest we forget their reasons for flipping a
> > format is because they wish to make more money.
> Eventually,
> > they'll have to bail because it will become a stalemated
> non
> > event in their portfolio.
> >
> > Maybe in the smaller markets Jack would work, it does to
> > some degree now where podunk stations play everything and
> > anything without calling itself Jack, it's called small
> town
> > radio. For the last 20 years people have been conditioned
> to
> > go to a certain music station for one form of music, back
> > then "instant gratification" wasn't an option like it is
> > today. While it may be cool now to hear Jack's version of
> > variety eventually it will wear thin and then people will
> > want "their" variety not someone else's and a radio
> station
> > can't be everyone's version of "variety" for each person
> > listening, it's not possible and it's ludicrous to build a
>
> > concept on that assumption.
> >
> > Because they're playing a "variety" of what is heard up
> and
> > down the dial everyday (just here, it's on one station)
> > doesn't mean it's good or genius. I always have and always
>
> > will stand by my beliefs based on my experiences and in my
>
> > expert, weathered opinion, this format is suicide.
> >
>
Re: JACK numbers
It's good to see someone knows how little big companies can know about the industry they're supposedly in.
Excellent post!
> > Question: what makes you believe YOU are right and
> > "Infinity is wrong about Jack"? What info do you have
> they
> > do not? How is it YOU are so much more in touch with
> > listeners and they're just throwing things up to see what
> > will stick?
> >
>
> I don't mean to answer for "musicloverII", but my response
> would be "Because it's Infinity". They haven't seemed to be
> able to make a smart move in years. I've heard lousy radio
> out of some of their properties and noticed what I would
> call questionable descions well before JACK came on the
> scene. From their handling of WNEW/BLINK, to the lack of
> succession plan for Howard Stern to their late acceptance of
> streaming, the list goes on. And you can't ignore a $10
> billion dollar write-down of goodwill no matter how it's
> spun.
>
> Of course this doesn't go for 100% of their stations and
> many still bill &/or rate well. Who knows, maybe JACK will
> be the descision that makes them look smart again.
>
It's good to see someone knows how little big companies can know about the industry they're supposedly in.
Excellent post!
> > Question: what makes you believe YOU are right and
> > "Infinity is wrong about Jack"? What info do you have
> they
> > do not? How is it YOU are so much more in touch with
> > listeners and they're just throwing things up to see what
> > will stick?
> >
>
> I don't mean to answer for "musicloverII", but my response
> would be "Because it's Infinity". They haven't seemed to be
> able to make a smart move in years. I've heard lousy radio
> out of some of their properties and noticed what I would
> call questionable descions well before JACK came on the
> scene. From their handling of WNEW/BLINK, to the lack of
> succession plan for Howard Stern to their late acceptance of
> streaming, the list goes on. And you can't ignore a $10
> billion dollar write-down of goodwill no matter how it's
> spun.
>
> Of course this doesn't go for 100% of their stations and
> many still bill &/or rate well. Who knows, maybe JACK will
> be the descision that makes them look smart again.
>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
JACK bias
You have revealed yourself- thanks. Having read your post below and from previous threads, now I know why you are out of radio and I'm thankful for that, as well.
> You don't know who I am, true. You can look at my posts on
> this board, I'm very seldom off. I only speak on what I
> know. I don't offer comments of consult on anything I'm not
> 100% sure of. That's how I became successful in radio. I am
> no longer in radio. I've done my time and have my share of
> #1's in my past. I dislike Jack because it's a knee-jerk
> reaction made by people who justify it by saying a myriad of
> stupid things.
>
> There's many formats that they could've gone with, many
> companies make stupid moves only to see their new choice
> nose dive, they make up excuses like the ones we're hearing
> for Jack before it gets off the ground here in the States.
> It's another stupid idea from people who are way out of
> touch with what's happening on both the tech side and radio
> side of the business. Just because it's a big company
> doesn't mean they know what they're doing. I'm not in awe of
> incompetence, no matter who employs it.
>
> Many say wait a while and it will happen. I say, that's
> bull. Plenty of stations that flip explode with ratings when
> done right. Waiting a few years for something to eventually
> catch up with where it was when it was flipped defeats the
> entire purpose for the flip in the first place.
>
> I don't personally care about "formats" per ce, I care about
> what works, what doesn't. It's never a personal taste issue
> for me, it's a common sense thing and Jack has none.
>
> You want to get an idea of what I'm about, search my name
> and read my posts in the past. I'm usually on, sometimes to
> the rating point.
You have revealed yourself- thanks. Having read your post below and from previous threads, now I know why you are out of radio and I'm thankful for that, as well.
> You don't know who I am, true. You can look at my posts on
> this board, I'm very seldom off. I only speak on what I
> know. I don't offer comments of consult on anything I'm not
> 100% sure of. That's how I became successful in radio. I am
> no longer in radio. I've done my time and have my share of
> #1's in my past. I dislike Jack because it's a knee-jerk
> reaction made by people who justify it by saying a myriad of
> stupid things.
>
> There's many formats that they could've gone with, many
> companies make stupid moves only to see their new choice
> nose dive, they make up excuses like the ones we're hearing
> for Jack before it gets off the ground here in the States.
> It's another stupid idea from people who are way out of
> touch with what's happening on both the tech side and radio
> side of the business. Just because it's a big company
> doesn't mean they know what they're doing. I'm not in awe of
> incompetence, no matter who employs it.
>
> Many say wait a while and it will happen. I say, that's
> bull. Plenty of stations that flip explode with ratings when
> done right. Waiting a few years for something to eventually
> catch up with where it was when it was flipped defeats the
> entire purpose for the flip in the first place.
>
> I don't personally care about "formats" per ce, I care about
> what works, what doesn't. It's never a personal taste issue
> for me, it's a common sense thing and Jack has none.
>
> You want to get an idea of what I'm about, search my name
> and read my posts in the past. I'm usually on, sometimes to
> the rating point.
Re: JACK bias
You're obviously a "Jack Hag". Yes, I'm out of radio by choice. Being in an industry with so many chickens running around with their head cut off wasnt' my idea of a good time.
Building many #1 stations in one career in markets 1 thru 10 in 35 years can wear you out too. Perhaps one day you'll have more than a message board to point to as your mark in life.
> You have revealed yourself- thanks. Having read your post
> below and from previous threads, now I know why you are out
> of radio and I'm thankful for that, as well.
>
> > You don't know who I am, true. You can look at my posts on
>
> > this board, I'm very seldom off. I only speak on what I
> > know. I don't offer comments of consult on anything I'm
> not
> > 100% sure of. That's how I became successful in radio. I
> am
> > no longer in radio. I've done my time and have my share of
>
> > #1's in my past. I dislike Jack because it's a knee-jerk
> > reaction made by people who justify it by saying a myriad
> of
> > stupid things.
> >
> > There's many formats that they could've gone with, many
> > companies make stupid moves only to see their new choice
> > nose dive, they make up excuses like the ones we're
> hearing
> > for Jack before it gets off the ground here in the States.
>
> > It's another stupid idea from people who are way out of
> > touch with what's happening on both the tech side and
> radio
> > side of the business. Just because it's a big company
> > doesn't mean they know what they're doing. I'm not in awe
> of
> > incompetence, no matter who employs it.
> >
> > Many say wait a while and it will happen. I say, that's
> > bull. Plenty of stations that flip explode with ratings
> when
> > done right. Waiting a few years for something to
> eventually
> > catch up with where it was when it was flipped defeats the
>
> > entire purpose for the flip in the first place.
> >
> > I don't personally care about "formats" per ce, I care
> about
> > what works, what doesn't. It's never a personal taste
> issue
> > for me, it's a common sense thing and Jack has none.
> >
> > You want to get an idea of what I'm about, search my name
> > and read my posts in the past. I'm usually on, sometimes
> to
> > the rating point.
>
You're obviously a "Jack Hag". Yes, I'm out of radio by choice. Being in an industry with so many chickens running around with their head cut off wasnt' my idea of a good time.
Building many #1 stations in one career in markets 1 thru 10 in 35 years can wear you out too. Perhaps one day you'll have more than a message board to point to as your mark in life.
> You have revealed yourself- thanks. Having read your post
> below and from previous threads, now I know why you are out
> of radio and I'm thankful for that, as well.
>
> > You don't know who I am, true. You can look at my posts on
>
> > this board, I'm very seldom off. I only speak on what I
> > know. I don't offer comments of consult on anything I'm
> not
> > 100% sure of. That's how I became successful in radio. I
> am
> > no longer in radio. I've done my time and have my share of
>
> > #1's in my past. I dislike Jack because it's a knee-jerk
> > reaction made by people who justify it by saying a myriad
> of
> > stupid things.
> >
> > There's many formats that they could've gone with, many
> > companies make stupid moves only to see their new choice
> > nose dive, they make up excuses like the ones we're
> hearing
> > for Jack before it gets off the ground here in the States.
>
> > It's another stupid idea from people who are way out of
> > touch with what's happening on both the tech side and
> radio
> > side of the business. Just because it's a big company
> > doesn't mean they know what they're doing. I'm not in awe
> of
> > incompetence, no matter who employs it.
> >
> > Many say wait a while and it will happen. I say, that's
> > bull. Plenty of stations that flip explode with ratings
> when
> > done right. Waiting a few years for something to
> eventually
> > catch up with where it was when it was flipped defeats the
>
> > entire purpose for the flip in the first place.
> >
> > I don't personally care about "formats" per ce, I care
> about
> > what works, what doesn't. It's never a personal taste
> issue
> > for me, it's a common sense thing and Jack has none.
> >
> > You want to get an idea of what I'm about, search my name
> > and read my posts in the past. I'm usually on, sometimes
> to
> > the rating point.
>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
sour grapes
"Only The Strong Survive"- Jerry Butler, 1969. Check it out.
(BTW- you know nothing about my life, so please watch what you say, RE: your last sentance cheap-shot attempt to make yourself look better than everybody else).
> You're obviously a "Jack Hag". Yes, I'm out of radio by
> choice. Being in an industry with so many chickens running
> around with their head cut off wasnt' my idea of a good
> time.
>
> Building many #1 stations in one career in markets 1 thru 10
> in 35 years can wear you out too. Perhaps one day you'll
> have more than a message board to point to as your mark in life.
"Only The Strong Survive"- Jerry Butler, 1969. Check it out.
(BTW- you know nothing about my life, so please watch what you say, RE: your last sentance cheap-shot attempt to make yourself look better than everybody else).
> You're obviously a "Jack Hag". Yes, I'm out of radio by
> choice. Being in an industry with so many chickens running
> around with their head cut off wasnt' my idea of a good
> time.
>
> Building many #1 stations in one career in markets 1 thru 10
> in 35 years can wear you out too. Perhaps one day you'll
> have more than a message board to point to as your mark in life.
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