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Well I will try and tip toe around what can be said and what can't be said when it comes to ratings on the board here.
Koma must of had no one listening in the last month since they went down 2 points in just 1 month. I bet they can't wait for that month to drop off the list.
KYIS is beating KJ for the first time that I can remember. What's going on there? Is it that KJ is just that bad or KYIS has improved that much.
How much longer will Magic go before someone goes after them again? Whoever is on top, will get someone to go after them. It has happened with every station that was on top. Just ask KTOK, KATT, KOMA, KJYO. They were all at one time on top, just to get knocked down by a new station.
> Any comments?
>
> >>Jammer
>
Koma must of had no one listening in the last month since they went down 2 points in just 1 month. I bet they can't wait for that month to drop off the list.
KYIS is beating KJ for the first time that I can remember. What's going on there? Is it that KJ is just that bad or KYIS has improved that much.
How much longer will Magic go before someone goes after them again? Whoever is on top, will get someone to go after them. It has happened with every station that was on top. Just ask KTOK, KATT, KOMA, KJYO. They were all at one time on top, just to get knocked down by a new station.
> Any comments?
>
> >>Jammer
>
E
edliWevaD
Guest
> Well I will try and tip toe around what can be said and what
> can't be said when it comes to ratings on the board here.
>
> Koma must of had no one listening in the last month since
> they went down 2 points in just 1 month. I bet they can't
> wait for that month to drop off the list.
>
> KYIS is beating KJ for the first time that I can remember.
> What's going on there? Is it that KJ is just that bad or
> KYIS has improved that much.
>
> How much longer will Magic go before someone goes after them
> again? Whoever is on top, will get someone to go after them.
> It has happened with every station that was on top. Just ask
> KTOK, KATT, KOMA, KJYO. They were all at one time on top,
> just to get knocked down by a new station.
>
>
> > Any comments?
Ahem......KQOB....Ahem
> >
> > >>Jammer
> >
>
> can't be said when it comes to ratings on the board here.
>
> Koma must of had no one listening in the last month since
> they went down 2 points in just 1 month. I bet they can't
> wait for that month to drop off the list.
>
> KYIS is beating KJ for the first time that I can remember.
> What's going on there? Is it that KJ is just that bad or
> KYIS has improved that much.
>
> How much longer will Magic go before someone goes after them
> again? Whoever is on top, will get someone to go after them.
> It has happened with every station that was on top. Just ask
> KTOK, KATT, KOMA, KJYO. They were all at one time on top,
> just to get knocked down by a new station.
>
>
> > Any comments?
Ahem......KQOB....Ahem
> >
> > >>Jammer
> >
>
T
THEInsultant
Guest
> > Well I will try and tip toe around what can be said and
> what
> > can't be said when it comes to ratings on the board here.
> >
> > Koma must of had no one listening in the last month since
> > they went down 2 points in just 1 month. I bet they can't
> > wait for that month to drop off the list.
Maybe the great experiment of the 60s and 70s s#*ts isn't such a great idea after all, huh? Maybe it's just a bad trend. We'll see in another couple of books down the road.
> >
> > KYIS is beating KJ for the first time that I can remember.
Appearently Jack and Ron's family members got books and filled them out, huh? (kidding, I think)
>
> > What's going on there? Is it that KJ is just that bad or
> > KYIS has improved that much.
It won't last. KYIS isn't going to hold onto that as they aren't that good.
> >
> > How much longer will Magic go before someone goes after
> them
> > again? Whoever is on top, will get someone to go after
> them.
> > It has happened with every station that was on top. Just
> ask
> > KTOK, KATT, KOMA, KJYO. They were all at one time on top,
> > just to get knocked down by a new station.
If someone would do it right and be a really strong AC station, they aught to go RIGHT after KMGL. Better music and very strong personalities would have at least some chance of halfing KMGL's audience in a couple of years. I wouldn't think KMGL would topple fast, but persistance would pay off eventually if done correctly. Lots of real giveaways (buying the female audience) and great personalities with properly researched music would be a winner in the long run.
> >
> >
> > > Any comments?
>
>
>
>
> Ahem......KQOB....Ahem
KRXO = Bob and Tom in the mornings.. No ratings all day.
Let's face it, Bob-FM's morning show is making the difference for that station. If you take away Lisa and Ron all you have left on 96.9 is the same classic rock with a crappier signal than KRXO. The worst thing that happened to KRXO was having Lisa and Ron bail out on them. The second worst thing that happened to them was changing themselves up to "compete" with KQOB. The established station isn't supposed to change until there's a reason to do so. All the cool music that made KRXO a very good real classic rocker went out the window when Bob came on the air. Talk about freaking-out! Honestly, it's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. I wouldn't say either Bob or KRXO at this point are great stations, the only difference is Bob has a morning show that identifies with Okies, not Hoosiers. The latest trends 12 plus overall reflects that. The truth is there are NO good classic rock stations in OKC at the moment. The result is what you see in the last few books where both Bob and KRXO take turns of leading and lagging each other - No clear consistent leader book after book.
Now, back to the subject spoken of many time on this board. Let's discuss the talk-oriented stations in this town. Do we REALLY need more than KTOK and WWLS here? If ratings tell the story, I'd say the public is sending a resounding NO.
<P ID="signature">______________
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> what
> > can't be said when it comes to ratings on the board here.
> >
> > Koma must of had no one listening in the last month since
> > they went down 2 points in just 1 month. I bet they can't
> > wait for that month to drop off the list.
Maybe the great experiment of the 60s and 70s s#*ts isn't such a great idea after all, huh? Maybe it's just a bad trend. We'll see in another couple of books down the road.
> >
> > KYIS is beating KJ for the first time that I can remember.
Appearently Jack and Ron's family members got books and filled them out, huh? (kidding, I think)
>
> > What's going on there? Is it that KJ is just that bad or
> > KYIS has improved that much.
It won't last. KYIS isn't going to hold onto that as they aren't that good.
> >
> > How much longer will Magic go before someone goes after
> them
> > again? Whoever is on top, will get someone to go after
> them.
> > It has happened with every station that was on top. Just
> ask
> > KTOK, KATT, KOMA, KJYO. They were all at one time on top,
> > just to get knocked down by a new station.
If someone would do it right and be a really strong AC station, they aught to go RIGHT after KMGL. Better music and very strong personalities would have at least some chance of halfing KMGL's audience in a couple of years. I wouldn't think KMGL would topple fast, but persistance would pay off eventually if done correctly. Lots of real giveaways (buying the female audience) and great personalities with properly researched music would be a winner in the long run.
> >
> >
> > > Any comments?
>
>
>
>
> Ahem......KQOB....Ahem
KRXO = Bob and Tom in the mornings.. No ratings all day.
Let's face it, Bob-FM's morning show is making the difference for that station. If you take away Lisa and Ron all you have left on 96.9 is the same classic rock with a crappier signal than KRXO. The worst thing that happened to KRXO was having Lisa and Ron bail out on them. The second worst thing that happened to them was changing themselves up to "compete" with KQOB. The established station isn't supposed to change until there's a reason to do so. All the cool music that made KRXO a very good real classic rocker went out the window when Bob came on the air. Talk about freaking-out! Honestly, it's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. I wouldn't say either Bob or KRXO at this point are great stations, the only difference is Bob has a morning show that identifies with Okies, not Hoosiers. The latest trends 12 plus overall reflects that. The truth is there are NO good classic rock stations in OKC at the moment. The result is what you see in the last few books where both Bob and KRXO take turns of leading and lagging each other - No clear consistent leader book after book.
Now, back to the subject spoken of many time on this board. Let's discuss the talk-oriented stations in this town. Do we REALLY need more than KTOK and WWLS here? If ratings tell the story, I'd say the public is sending a resounding NO.
<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
E
edliWevaD
Guest
> > > Well I will try and tip toe around what can be said and
> > what
> > > can't be said when it comes to ratings on the board
> here.
> > >
> > > Koma must of had no one listening in the last month
> since
> > > they went down 2 points in just 1 month. I bet they
> can't
> > > wait for that month to drop off the list.
>
> Maybe the great experiment of the 60s and 70s s#*ts isn't
> such a great idea after all, huh? Maybe it's just a bad
> trend. We'll see in another couple of books down the road.
>
>
>
> > >
> > > KYIS is beating KJ for the first time that I can
> remember.
>
> Appearently Jack and Ron's family members got books and
> filled them out, huh? (kidding, I think)
>
> >
> > > What's going on there? Is it that KJ is just that bad or
>
> > > KYIS has improved that much.
>
> It won't last. KYIS isn't going to hold onto that as they
> aren't that good.
>
>
> > >
> > > How much longer will Magic go before someone goes after
> > them
> > > again? Whoever is on top, will get someone to go after
> > them.
> > > It has happened with every station that was on top. Just
>
> > ask
> > > KTOK, KATT, KOMA, KJYO. They were all at one time on
> top,
> > > just to get knocked down by a new station.
>
> If someone would do it right and be a really strong AC
> station, they aught to go RIGHT after KMGL. Better music and
> very strong personalities would have at least some chance of
> halfing KMGL's audience in a couple of years. I wouldn't
> think KMGL would topple fast, but persistance would pay off
> eventually if done correctly. Lots of real giveaways (buying
> the female audience) and great personalities with properly
> researched music would be a winner in the long run.
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > Any comments?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ahem......KQOB....Ahem
>
> KRXO = Bob and Tom in the mornings.. No ratings all day.
>
> Let's face it, Bob-FM's morning show is making the
> difference for that station. If you take away Lisa and Ron
> all you have left on 96.9 is the same classic rock with a
> crappier signal than KRXO. The worst thing that happened to
> KRXO was having Lisa and Ron bail out on them. The second
> worst thing that happened to them was changing themselves up
> to "compete" with KQOB. The established station isn't
> supposed to change until there's a reason to do so. All the
> cool music that made KRXO a very good real classic rocker
> went out the window when Bob came on the air. Talk about
> freaking-out! Honestly, it's one of the stupidest things
> I've ever seen. I wouldn't say either Bob or KRXO at this
> point are great stations, the only difference is Bob has a
> morning show that identifies with Okies, not Hoosiers. The
> latest trends 12 plus overall reflects that. The truth is
> there are NO good classic rock stations in OKC at the
> moment. The result is what you see in the last few books
> where both Bob and KRXO take turns of leading and lagging
> each other - No clear consistent leader book after book.
>
>
Bottom line, selling spots means people stay employed.
Something should be said about job security.
>
> > what
> > > can't be said when it comes to ratings on the board
> here.
> > >
> > > Koma must of had no one listening in the last month
> since
> > > they went down 2 points in just 1 month. I bet they
> can't
> > > wait for that month to drop off the list.
>
> Maybe the great experiment of the 60s and 70s s#*ts isn't
> such a great idea after all, huh? Maybe it's just a bad
> trend. We'll see in another couple of books down the road.
>
>
>
> > >
> > > KYIS is beating KJ for the first time that I can
> remember.
>
> Appearently Jack and Ron's family members got books and
> filled them out, huh? (kidding, I think)
>
> >
> > > What's going on there? Is it that KJ is just that bad or
>
> > > KYIS has improved that much.
>
> It won't last. KYIS isn't going to hold onto that as they
> aren't that good.
>
>
> > >
> > > How much longer will Magic go before someone goes after
> > them
> > > again? Whoever is on top, will get someone to go after
> > them.
> > > It has happened with every station that was on top. Just
>
> > ask
> > > KTOK, KATT, KOMA, KJYO. They were all at one time on
> top,
> > > just to get knocked down by a new station.
>
> If someone would do it right and be a really strong AC
> station, they aught to go RIGHT after KMGL. Better music and
> very strong personalities would have at least some chance of
> halfing KMGL's audience in a couple of years. I wouldn't
> think KMGL would topple fast, but persistance would pay off
> eventually if done correctly. Lots of real giveaways (buying
> the female audience) and great personalities with properly
> researched music would be a winner in the long run.
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > Any comments?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ahem......KQOB....Ahem
>
> KRXO = Bob and Tom in the mornings.. No ratings all day.
>
> Let's face it, Bob-FM's morning show is making the
> difference for that station. If you take away Lisa and Ron
> all you have left on 96.9 is the same classic rock with a
> crappier signal than KRXO. The worst thing that happened to
> KRXO was having Lisa and Ron bail out on them. The second
> worst thing that happened to them was changing themselves up
> to "compete" with KQOB. The established station isn't
> supposed to change until there's a reason to do so. All the
> cool music that made KRXO a very good real classic rocker
> went out the window when Bob came on the air. Talk about
> freaking-out! Honestly, it's one of the stupidest things
> I've ever seen. I wouldn't say either Bob or KRXO at this
> point are great stations, the only difference is Bob has a
> morning show that identifies with Okies, not Hoosiers. The
> latest trends 12 plus overall reflects that. The truth is
> there are NO good classic rock stations in OKC at the
> moment. The result is what you see in the last few books
> where both Bob and KRXO take turns of leading and lagging
> each other - No clear consistent leader book after book.
>
>
Bottom line, selling spots means people stay employed.
Something should be said about job security.
>
T
THEInsultant
Guest
> > > > Well I will try and tip toe around what can be said
> and
> > > what
> > > > can't be said when it comes to ratings on the board
> > here.
> > > >
> > > > Koma must of had no one listening in the last month
> > since
> > > > they went down 2 points in just 1 month. I bet they
> > can't
> > > > wait for that month to drop off the list.
> >
> > Maybe the great experiment of the 60s and 70s s#*ts isn't
> > such a great idea after all, huh? Maybe it's just a bad
> > trend. We'll see in another couple of books down the
> road.
> >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > KYIS is beating KJ for the first time that I can
> > remember.
> >
> > Appearently Jack and Ron's family members got books and
> > filled them out, huh? (kidding, I think)
> >
> > >
> > > > What's going on there? Is it that KJ is just that bad
> or
> >
> > > > KYIS has improved that much.
> >
> > It won't last. KYIS isn't going to hold onto that as they
>
> > aren't that good.
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > How much longer will Magic go before someone goes
> after
> > > them
> > > > again? Whoever is on top, will get someone to go after
>
> > > them.
> > > > It has happened with every station that was on top.
> Just
> >
> > > ask
> > > > KTOK, KATT, KOMA, KJYO. They were all at one time on
> > top,
> > > > just to get knocked down by a new station.
> >
> > If someone would do it right and be a really strong AC
> > station, they aught to go RIGHT after KMGL. Better music
> and
> > very strong personalities would have at least some chance
> of
> > halfing KMGL's audience in a couple of years. I wouldn't
> > think KMGL would topple fast, but persistance would pay
> off
> > eventually if done correctly. Lots of real giveaways
> (buying
> > the female audience) and great personalities with properly
>
> > researched music would be a winner in the long run.
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Any comments?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahem......KQOB....Ahem
> >
> > KRXO = Bob and Tom in the mornings.. No ratings all day.
> >
> > Let's face it, Bob-FM's morning show is making the
> > difference for that station. If you take away Lisa and
> Ron
> > all you have left on 96.9 is the same classic rock with a
> > crappier signal than KRXO. The worst thing that happened
> to
> > KRXO was having Lisa and Ron bail out on them. The second
>
> > worst thing that happened to them was changing themselves
> up
> > to "compete" with KQOB. The established station isn't
> > supposed to change until there's a reason to do so. All
> the
> > cool music that made KRXO a very good real classic rocker
> > went out the window when Bob came on the air. Talk about
> > freaking-out! Honestly, it's one of the stupidest things
> > I've ever seen. I wouldn't say either Bob or KRXO at this
>
> > point are great stations, the only difference is Bob has a
>
> > morning show that identifies with Okies, not Hoosiers.
> The
> > latest trends 12 plus overall reflects that. The truth is
>
> > there are NO good classic rock stations in OKC at the
> > moment. The result is what you see in the last few books
> > where both Bob and KRXO take turns of leading and lagging
> > each other - No clear consistent leader book after book.
> >
> >
> Bottom line, selling spots means people stay employed.
> Something should be said about job security.
> >
>
True.. Cost-per-point and value to the advertising customer is where the ratings really are important. Job security goes hand-in-hand with being able to sell the product. No good product to sell, eventually little to no jobs.<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
> and
> > > what
> > > > can't be said when it comes to ratings on the board
> > here.
> > > >
> > > > Koma must of had no one listening in the last month
> > since
> > > > they went down 2 points in just 1 month. I bet they
> > can't
> > > > wait for that month to drop off the list.
> >
> > Maybe the great experiment of the 60s and 70s s#*ts isn't
> > such a great idea after all, huh? Maybe it's just a bad
> > trend. We'll see in another couple of books down the
> road.
> >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > KYIS is beating KJ for the first time that I can
> > remember.
> >
> > Appearently Jack and Ron's family members got books and
> > filled them out, huh? (kidding, I think)
> >
> > >
> > > > What's going on there? Is it that KJ is just that bad
> or
> >
> > > > KYIS has improved that much.
> >
> > It won't last. KYIS isn't going to hold onto that as they
>
> > aren't that good.
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > How much longer will Magic go before someone goes
> after
> > > them
> > > > again? Whoever is on top, will get someone to go after
>
> > > them.
> > > > It has happened with every station that was on top.
> Just
> >
> > > ask
> > > > KTOK, KATT, KOMA, KJYO. They were all at one time on
> > top,
> > > > just to get knocked down by a new station.
> >
> > If someone would do it right and be a really strong AC
> > station, they aught to go RIGHT after KMGL. Better music
> and
> > very strong personalities would have at least some chance
> of
> > halfing KMGL's audience in a couple of years. I wouldn't
> > think KMGL would topple fast, but persistance would pay
> off
> > eventually if done correctly. Lots of real giveaways
> (buying
> > the female audience) and great personalities with properly
>
> > researched music would be a winner in the long run.
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Any comments?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahem......KQOB....Ahem
> >
> > KRXO = Bob and Tom in the mornings.. No ratings all day.
> >
> > Let's face it, Bob-FM's morning show is making the
> > difference for that station. If you take away Lisa and
> Ron
> > all you have left on 96.9 is the same classic rock with a
> > crappier signal than KRXO. The worst thing that happened
> to
> > KRXO was having Lisa and Ron bail out on them. The second
>
> > worst thing that happened to them was changing themselves
> up
> > to "compete" with KQOB. The established station isn't
> > supposed to change until there's a reason to do so. All
> the
> > cool music that made KRXO a very good real classic rocker
> > went out the window when Bob came on the air. Talk about
> > freaking-out! Honestly, it's one of the stupidest things
> > I've ever seen. I wouldn't say either Bob or KRXO at this
>
> > point are great stations, the only difference is Bob has a
>
> > morning show that identifies with Okies, not Hoosiers.
> The
> > latest trends 12 plus overall reflects that. The truth is
>
> > there are NO good classic rock stations in OKC at the
> > moment. The result is what you see in the last few books
> > where both Bob and KRXO take turns of leading and lagging
> > each other - No clear consistent leader book after book.
> >
> >
> Bottom line, selling spots means people stay employed.
> Something should be said about job security.
> >
>
True.. Cost-per-point and value to the advertising customer is where the ratings really are important. Job security goes hand-in-hand with being able to sell the product. No good product to sell, eventually little to no jobs.<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
S
snowman
Guest
>
> Let's face it, Bob-FM's morning show is making the
> difference for that station. If you take away Lisa and Ron
> all you have left on 96.9 is the same classic rock with a
> crappier signal than KRXO. The worst thing that happened to
> KRXO was having Lisa and Ron bail out on them. The second
> worst thing that happened to them was changing themselves up
> to "compete" with KQOB. The established station isn't
> supposed to change until there's a reason to do so. All the
> cool music that made KRXO a very good real classic rocker
> went out the window when Bob came on the air. Talk about
> freaking-out! Honestly, it's one of the stupidest things
> I've ever seen.
Let's remember that the so-called "freaking out" was really a firing of a PD who - correct me if I'm wrong - was awarded a "PD of the Year" award from R&R just months before being shown the door.
The only question is who was responsible for keeping Lisa and Ron. If it was JC the PD, well then maybe it was right to let him go. If it was VH, then yes, it WAS a freaking out to fire JC.
> Let's face it, Bob-FM's morning show is making the
> difference for that station. If you take away Lisa and Ron
> all you have left on 96.9 is the same classic rock with a
> crappier signal than KRXO. The worst thing that happened to
> KRXO was having Lisa and Ron bail out on them. The second
> worst thing that happened to them was changing themselves up
> to "compete" with KQOB. The established station isn't
> supposed to change until there's a reason to do so. All the
> cool music that made KRXO a very good real classic rocker
> went out the window when Bob came on the air. Talk about
> freaking-out! Honestly, it's one of the stupidest things
> I've ever seen.
Let's remember that the so-called "freaking out" was really a firing of a PD who - correct me if I'm wrong - was awarded a "PD of the Year" award from R&R just months before being shown the door.
The only question is who was responsible for keeping Lisa and Ron. If it was JC the PD, well then maybe it was right to let him go. If it was VH, then yes, it WAS a freaking out to fire JC.
T
THEInsultant
Guest
> >
> > Let's face it, Bob-FM's morning show is making the
> > difference for that station. If you take away Lisa and
> Ron
> > all you have left on 96.9 is the same classic rock with a
> > crappier signal than KRXO. The worst thing that happened
> to
> > KRXO was having Lisa and Ron bail out on them. The second
>
> > worst thing that happened to them was changing themselves
> up
> > to "compete" with KQOB. The established station isn't
> > supposed to change until there's a reason to do so. All
> the
> > cool music that made KRXO a very good real classic rocker
> > went out the window when Bob came on the air. Talk about
> > freaking-out! Honestly, it's one of the stupidest things
> > I've ever seen.
>
>
> Let's remember that the so-called "freaking out" was really
> a firing of a PD who - correct me if I'm wrong - was awarded
> a "PD of the Year" award from R&R just months before being
> shown the door.
>
> The only question is who was responsible for keeping Lisa
> and Ron. If it was JC the PD, well then maybe it was right
> to let him go. If it was VH, then yes, it WAS a freaking
> out to fire JC.
>
Hmm.. I'm thinking GMs usually handle contracts, etc. So, I'd have to say "JC" couldn't be the responsible party on L&R departure, huh? And, I believe I heard something about JC for the RR PD award, or something like that.
Aren't initials just grand?
<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
> > Let's face it, Bob-FM's morning show is making the
> > difference for that station. If you take away Lisa and
> Ron
> > all you have left on 96.9 is the same classic rock with a
> > crappier signal than KRXO. The worst thing that happened
> to
> > KRXO was having Lisa and Ron bail out on them. The second
>
> > worst thing that happened to them was changing themselves
> up
> > to "compete" with KQOB. The established station isn't
> > supposed to change until there's a reason to do so. All
> the
> > cool music that made KRXO a very good real classic rocker
> > went out the window when Bob came on the air. Talk about
> > freaking-out! Honestly, it's one of the stupidest things
> > I've ever seen.
>
>
> Let's remember that the so-called "freaking out" was really
> a firing of a PD who - correct me if I'm wrong - was awarded
> a "PD of the Year" award from R&R just months before being
> shown the door.
>
> The only question is who was responsible for keeping Lisa
> and Ron. If it was JC the PD, well then maybe it was right
> to let him go. If it was VH, then yes, it WAS a freaking
> out to fire JC.
>
Hmm.. I'm thinking GMs usually handle contracts, etc. So, I'd have to say "JC" couldn't be the responsible party on L&R departure, huh? And, I believe I heard something about JC for the RR PD award, or something like that.
Aren't initials just grand?
<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
2
2001
Guest
> > >
> > > Let's face it, Bob-FM's morning show is making the
> > > difference for that station. If you take away Lisa and
> > Ron
> > > all you have left on 96.9 is the same classic rock with
> a
> > > crappier signal than KRXO. The worst thing that
> happened
> > to
> > > KRXO was having Lisa and Ron bail out on them. The
> second
> >
> > > worst thing that happened to them was changing
> themselves
> > up
> > > to "compete" with KQOB. The established station isn't
> > > supposed to change until there's a reason to do so. All
>
> > the
> > > cool music that made KRXO a very good real classic
> rocker
> > > went out the window when Bob came on the air. Talk about
>
> > > freaking-out! Honestly, it's one of the stupidest things
>
> > > I've ever seen.
> >
> >
> > Let's remember that the so-called "freaking out" was
> really
> > a firing of a PD who - correct me if I'm wrong - was
> awarded
> > a "PD of the Year" award from R&R just months before being
>
> > shown the door.
> >
> > The only question is who was responsible for keeping Lisa
> > and Ron. If it was JC the PD, well then maybe it was
> right
> > to let him go. If it was VH, then yes, it WAS a freaking
> > out to fire JC.
> >
>
> Hmm.. I'm thinking GMs usually handle contracts, etc. So,
> I'd have to say "JC" couldn't be the responsible party on
> L&R departure, huh? And, I believe I heard something about
> JC for the RR PD award, or something like that.
>
> Aren't initials just grand?
>
Okay, Insultant, let me ask you a question, since both you and I seem to be on the same page about this topic.......
Since two of the three OKC talkers are just creeping along, barely showing up on the radar screen, and the third one, in my opinion, is actually flying so far below the radar screen, that if it were flying any lower, it might very well crash into some really tall trees or building, lol!.......
Given that, what if anything could/should these talkers do to break out of their collective doldrums?? Should they take a bold step and hire more local talent and have them host a meaningful local talk show? Now I realize that that would mean having to increase payroll--and heaven forbid---it would also entitle someone to health benefits! Yikes! But it sure seems to me that there are many markets around this country (Kansas City, MO. comes to mind) where talk radio is just languishing along. It's just the "same-old, same-old". Lots and lots of syndicated yappers, and just a handful of local talking heads.--Usually, it's that "morning guy", and that's about it!
I keep telling people that KOA in Denver is an excellent model of what an AM talker should be. A line up that consists almost entirely of local voices, except for three hours of Rush Limbaugh. To me, KOA has it right! What surprises me about KOA is that it's a CC-owned talker, and yet, unlike most CC-owned AM talkers, it has a largely local line up. Not wall-to-wall syndication stuff. And KOA gets big numbers because their listeners like to hear about local issues. The Denver audience is smart enough, and educated enough, to know that they won't learn anything new or worthwhile (be it about something happening in the world, or especially if it's a subject about something to do with Colorado) from listening to one nationally syndicated talk show host after another after another after another! There are a lot of talented (local) voices on that station (their morning guy Mike Rosen comes to mind) that quite a few Denverites tune into, and come to think of it, maybe I should stop right here and ask the bigger question that needs to be asked in all of this....Are there/is there enough talented people out there in talk radioland to attract and keep listeners in fairly large numbers? (Or at least decent numbers.)
If things keep going the way that they are, a lot of younger would-be talk radio buffs will steer themselves away from pursuing their dream of one day hosting a talk radio show of their own in a large market, because what would be the point? As it is, most CC-owned big talkers are, as I said, full of nationally syndicated voices, not local. I mean, it must be pretty discouraging nowadays for some young kid fresh out of college to be thinking about a future in talk radio with so little large market opportunity. And let's face it, the larger the market, presumably, the better the pay. Who in their right mind wants to stay stuck doing a talk show on some hole-in-the-wall AM talker out in the middle of nowhere for 10, 15, or 20 years of his or her life??
I don't know, Insultant. I don't like where talk radio is headed in this country. Also, it seems to me that whenever a local guy is new to a market, he or she (in my opinion) makes the fatal error of trying too hard to sound like the prototypical "controversial/opinionated/blow-hard nationally syndicated talk show host". Lord knows, this country has enough of those types on the radio right now! What talk radio listener wants to sit there in his or her office, home, or car and hear three more hours of "Rush Limbaugh Junior"...or "Sean Hannity's flag-waving younger brother"?? I sure don't! These local people need to carve out their own personal niche, their own personal style, and try really hard not to squeeze themselves into the "cookie cutter AM talk show host" mold!! It drives me crazy whenever I hear a local-yocal trying to sound like what he thinks his audience wants to hear---that being, another Rush Limbaugh! Oh, please! Give me a break!
Anyway....your thoughts on this, sir?
> > > Let's face it, Bob-FM's morning show is making the
> > > difference for that station. If you take away Lisa and
> > Ron
> > > all you have left on 96.9 is the same classic rock with
> a
> > > crappier signal than KRXO. The worst thing that
> happened
> > to
> > > KRXO was having Lisa and Ron bail out on them. The
> second
> >
> > > worst thing that happened to them was changing
> themselves
> > up
> > > to "compete" with KQOB. The established station isn't
> > > supposed to change until there's a reason to do so. All
>
> > the
> > > cool music that made KRXO a very good real classic
> rocker
> > > went out the window when Bob came on the air. Talk about
>
> > > freaking-out! Honestly, it's one of the stupidest things
>
> > > I've ever seen.
> >
> >
> > Let's remember that the so-called "freaking out" was
> really
> > a firing of a PD who - correct me if I'm wrong - was
> awarded
> > a "PD of the Year" award from R&R just months before being
>
> > shown the door.
> >
> > The only question is who was responsible for keeping Lisa
> > and Ron. If it was JC the PD, well then maybe it was
> right
> > to let him go. If it was VH, then yes, it WAS a freaking
> > out to fire JC.
> >
>
> Hmm.. I'm thinking GMs usually handle contracts, etc. So,
> I'd have to say "JC" couldn't be the responsible party on
> L&R departure, huh? And, I believe I heard something about
> JC for the RR PD award, or something like that.
>
> Aren't initials just grand?
>
Okay, Insultant, let me ask you a question, since both you and I seem to be on the same page about this topic.......
Since two of the three OKC talkers are just creeping along, barely showing up on the radar screen, and the third one, in my opinion, is actually flying so far below the radar screen, that if it were flying any lower, it might very well crash into some really tall trees or building, lol!.......
Given that, what if anything could/should these talkers do to break out of their collective doldrums?? Should they take a bold step and hire more local talent and have them host a meaningful local talk show? Now I realize that that would mean having to increase payroll--and heaven forbid---it would also entitle someone to health benefits! Yikes! But it sure seems to me that there are many markets around this country (Kansas City, MO. comes to mind) where talk radio is just languishing along. It's just the "same-old, same-old". Lots and lots of syndicated yappers, and just a handful of local talking heads.--Usually, it's that "morning guy", and that's about it!
I keep telling people that KOA in Denver is an excellent model of what an AM talker should be. A line up that consists almost entirely of local voices, except for three hours of Rush Limbaugh. To me, KOA has it right! What surprises me about KOA is that it's a CC-owned talker, and yet, unlike most CC-owned AM talkers, it has a largely local line up. Not wall-to-wall syndication stuff. And KOA gets big numbers because their listeners like to hear about local issues. The Denver audience is smart enough, and educated enough, to know that they won't learn anything new or worthwhile (be it about something happening in the world, or especially if it's a subject about something to do with Colorado) from listening to one nationally syndicated talk show host after another after another after another! There are a lot of talented (local) voices on that station (their morning guy Mike Rosen comes to mind) that quite a few Denverites tune into, and come to think of it, maybe I should stop right here and ask the bigger question that needs to be asked in all of this....Are there/is there enough talented people out there in talk radioland to attract and keep listeners in fairly large numbers? (Or at least decent numbers.)
If things keep going the way that they are, a lot of younger would-be talk radio buffs will steer themselves away from pursuing their dream of one day hosting a talk radio show of their own in a large market, because what would be the point? As it is, most CC-owned big talkers are, as I said, full of nationally syndicated voices, not local. I mean, it must be pretty discouraging nowadays for some young kid fresh out of college to be thinking about a future in talk radio with so little large market opportunity. And let's face it, the larger the market, presumably, the better the pay. Who in their right mind wants to stay stuck doing a talk show on some hole-in-the-wall AM talker out in the middle of nowhere for 10, 15, or 20 years of his or her life??
I don't know, Insultant. I don't like where talk radio is headed in this country. Also, it seems to me that whenever a local guy is new to a market, he or she (in my opinion) makes the fatal error of trying too hard to sound like the prototypical "controversial/opinionated/blow-hard nationally syndicated talk show host". Lord knows, this country has enough of those types on the radio right now! What talk radio listener wants to sit there in his or her office, home, or car and hear three more hours of "Rush Limbaugh Junior"...or "Sean Hannity's flag-waving younger brother"?? I sure don't! These local people need to carve out their own personal niche, their own personal style, and try really hard not to squeeze themselves into the "cookie cutter AM talk show host" mold!! It drives me crazy whenever I hear a local-yocal trying to sound like what he thinks his audience wants to hear---that being, another Rush Limbaugh! Oh, please! Give me a break!
Anyway....your thoughts on this, sir?
P
Phantom
Guest
KOKC goes hip hop
OK .. now that I have your attention.
Look below ...
Have you heard of paragraphs?
Check the radio-info rules.
Making a mess like this will get you banned.
I should report you to a moderator, a hall monitor, the police, the FCC (oh, yeah, they don't do anything).
Well, just watch it.
> Okay, Insultant, let me ask you a question, since both you
> and I seem to be on the same page about this topic.......
>
> Since two of the three OKC talkers are just creeping along,
> barely showing up on the radar screen, and the third one, in
> my opinion, is actually flying so far below the radar
> screen, that if it were flying any lower, it might very well
> crash into some really tall trees or building, lol!.......
>
> Given that, what if anything could/should these talkers do
> to break out of their collective doldrums?? Should they take
> a bold step and hire more local talent and have them host a
> meaningful local talk show? Now I realize that that would
> mean having to increase payroll--and heaven forbid---it
> would also entitle someone to health benefits! Yikes! But it
> sure seems to me that there are many markets around this
> country (Kansas City, MO. comes to mind) where talk radio is
> just languishing along. It's just the "same-old, same-old".
> Lots and lots of syndicated yappers, and just a handful of
> local talking heads.--Usually, it's that "morning guy", and
> that's about it! I keep telling people that KOA in Denver is
> an excellent model of what an AM talker should be. A line up
> that consists almost entirely of local voices, except for
> three hours of Rush Limbaugh. To me, KOA has it right! What
> surprises me about KOA is that it's a CC-owned talker, and
> yet, unlike most CC-owned AM talkers, it has a largely local
> line up. Not wall-to-wall syndication stuff. And KOA gets
> big numbers because their listeners like to hear about local
> issues. The Denver audience is smart enough, and educated
> enough, to know that they won't learn anything new or
> worthwhile (be it about something happening in the world, or
> especially if it's a subject about something to do with
> Colorado) from listening to one nationally syndicated talk
> show host after another after another after another! There
> are a lot of talented (local) voices on that station (their
> morning guy Mike Rosen comes to mind) that quite a few
> Denverites tune into, and come to think of it, maybe I
> should stop right here and ask the bigger question that
> needs to be asked in all of this....Are there/is there
> enough talented people out there in talk radioland to
> attract and keep listeners in fairly large numbers? (Or at
> least decent numbers.) If things keep going the way that
> they are, a lot of younger would-be talk radio buffs will
> steer themselves away from pursuing their dream of one day
> hosting a talk radio show of their own in a large market,
> because what would be the point? As it is, most CC-owned big
> talkers are, as I said, full of nationally syndicated
> voices, not local. I mean, it must be pretty discouraging
> nowadays for some young kid fresh out of college to be
> thinking about a future in talk radio with so little large
> market opportunity. And let's face it, the larger the
> market, presumably, the better the pay. Who in their right
> mind wants to stay stuck doing a talk show on some
> hole-in-the-wall AM talker out in the middle of nowhere for
> 10, 15, or 20 years of his or her life??
>
> I don't know, Insultant. I don't like where talk radio is
> headed in this country. Also, it seems to me that whenever a
> local guy is new to a market, he or she (in my opinion)
> makes the fatal error of trying too hard to sound like the
> prototypical "controversial/opinionated/blow-hard nationally
> syndicated talk show host". Lord knows, this country has
> enough of those types on the radio right now! What talk
> radio listener wants to sit there in his or her office,
> home, or car and hear three more hours of "Rush Limbaugh
> Junior"...or "Sean Hannity's flag-waving younger brother"??
> I sure don't! These local people need to carve out their own
> personal niche, their own personal style, and try really
> hard not to squeeze themselves into the "cookie cutter AM
> talk show host" mold!! It drives me crazy whenever I hear a
> local-yocal trying to sound like what he thinks his audience
> wants to hear---that being, another Rush Limbaugh! Oh,
> please! Give me a break!
>
> Anyway....your thoughts on this, sir?
>
OK .. now that I have your attention.
Look below ...
Have you heard of paragraphs?
Check the radio-info rules.
Making a mess like this will get you banned.
I should report you to a moderator, a hall monitor, the police, the FCC (oh, yeah, they don't do anything).
Well, just watch it.
> Okay, Insultant, let me ask you a question, since both you
> and I seem to be on the same page about this topic.......
>
> Since two of the three OKC talkers are just creeping along,
> barely showing up on the radar screen, and the third one, in
> my opinion, is actually flying so far below the radar
> screen, that if it were flying any lower, it might very well
> crash into some really tall trees or building, lol!.......
>
> Given that, what if anything could/should these talkers do
> to break out of their collective doldrums?? Should they take
> a bold step and hire more local talent and have them host a
> meaningful local talk show? Now I realize that that would
> mean having to increase payroll--and heaven forbid---it
> would also entitle someone to health benefits! Yikes! But it
> sure seems to me that there are many markets around this
> country (Kansas City, MO. comes to mind) where talk radio is
> just languishing along. It's just the "same-old, same-old".
> Lots and lots of syndicated yappers, and just a handful of
> local talking heads.--Usually, it's that "morning guy", and
> that's about it! I keep telling people that KOA in Denver is
> an excellent model of what an AM talker should be. A line up
> that consists almost entirely of local voices, except for
> three hours of Rush Limbaugh. To me, KOA has it right! What
> surprises me about KOA is that it's a CC-owned talker, and
> yet, unlike most CC-owned AM talkers, it has a largely local
> line up. Not wall-to-wall syndication stuff. And KOA gets
> big numbers because their listeners like to hear about local
> issues. The Denver audience is smart enough, and educated
> enough, to know that they won't learn anything new or
> worthwhile (be it about something happening in the world, or
> especially if it's a subject about something to do with
> Colorado) from listening to one nationally syndicated talk
> show host after another after another after another! There
> are a lot of talented (local) voices on that station (their
> morning guy Mike Rosen comes to mind) that quite a few
> Denverites tune into, and come to think of it, maybe I
> should stop right here and ask the bigger question that
> needs to be asked in all of this....Are there/is there
> enough talented people out there in talk radioland to
> attract and keep listeners in fairly large numbers? (Or at
> least decent numbers.) If things keep going the way that
> they are, a lot of younger would-be talk radio buffs will
> steer themselves away from pursuing their dream of one day
> hosting a talk radio show of their own in a large market,
> because what would be the point? As it is, most CC-owned big
> talkers are, as I said, full of nationally syndicated
> voices, not local. I mean, it must be pretty discouraging
> nowadays for some young kid fresh out of college to be
> thinking about a future in talk radio with so little large
> market opportunity. And let's face it, the larger the
> market, presumably, the better the pay. Who in their right
> mind wants to stay stuck doing a talk show on some
> hole-in-the-wall AM talker out in the middle of nowhere for
> 10, 15, or 20 years of his or her life??
>
> I don't know, Insultant. I don't like where talk radio is
> headed in this country. Also, it seems to me that whenever a
> local guy is new to a market, he or she (in my opinion)
> makes the fatal error of trying too hard to sound like the
> prototypical "controversial/opinionated/blow-hard nationally
> syndicated talk show host". Lord knows, this country has
> enough of those types on the radio right now! What talk
> radio listener wants to sit there in his or her office,
> home, or car and hear three more hours of "Rush Limbaugh
> Junior"...or "Sean Hannity's flag-waving younger brother"??
> I sure don't! These local people need to carve out their own
> personal niche, their own personal style, and try really
> hard not to squeeze themselves into the "cookie cutter AM
> talk show host" mold!! It drives me crazy whenever I hear a
> local-yocal trying to sound like what he thinks his audience
> wants to hear---that being, another Rush Limbaugh! Oh,
> please! Give me a break!
>
> Anyway....your thoughts on this, sir?
>
2
2001
Guest
Re: KOKC goes hip hop
> OK .. now that I have your attention.
>
> Look below ...
>
> Have you heard of paragraphs?
>
> Check the radio-info rules.
>
> Making a mess like this will get you banned.
>
> I should report you to a moderator, a hall monitor, the
> police, the FCC (oh, yeah, they don't do anything).
>
> Well, just watch it.
>
>
I straightened up my post a little. It was late when I typed it, so I was a bit tired and I was rambling along, not paying particularly close attention to detail/structure. My bad!
> > Okay, Insultant, let me ask you a question, since both you
>
> > and I seem to be on the same page about this topic.......
> >
> > Since two of the three OKC talkers are just creeping
> along,
> > barely showing up on the radar screen, and the third one,
> in
> > my opinion, is actually flying so far below the radar
> > screen, that if it were flying any lower, it might very
> well
> > crash into some really tall trees or building, lol!.......
>
> >
> > Given that, what if anything could/should these talkers do
>
> > to break out of their collective doldrums?? Should they
> take
> > a bold step and hire more local talent and have them host
> a
> > meaningful local talk show? Now I realize that that would
> > mean having to increase payroll--and heaven forbid---it
> > would also entitle someone to health benefits! Yikes! But
> it
> > sure seems to me that there are many markets around this
> > country (Kansas City, MO. comes to mind) where talk radio
> is
> > just languishing along. It's just the "same-old,
> same-old".
> > Lots and lots of syndicated yappers, and just a handful of
>
> > local talking heads.--Usually, it's that "morning guy",
> and
> > that's about it! I keep telling people that KOA in Denver
> is
> > an excellent model of what an AM talker should be. A line
> up
> > that consists almost entirely of local voices, except for
> > three hours of Rush Limbaugh. To me, KOA has it right!
> What
> > surprises me about KOA is that it's a CC-owned talker, and
>
> > yet, unlike most CC-owned AM talkers, it has a largely
> local
> > line up. Not wall-to-wall syndication stuff. And KOA gets
> > big numbers because their listeners like to hear about
> local
> > issues. The Denver audience is smart enough, and educated
> > enough, to know that they won't learn anything new or
> > worthwhile (be it about something happening in the world,
> or
> > especially if it's a subject about something to do with
> > Colorado) from listening to one nationally syndicated talk
>
> > show host after another after another after another! There
>
> > are a lot of talented (local) voices on that station
> (their
> > morning guy Mike Rosen comes to mind) that quite a few
> > Denverites tune into, and come to think of it, maybe I
> > should stop right here and ask the bigger question that
> > needs to be asked in all of this....Are there/is there
> > enough talented people out there in talk radioland to
> > attract and keep listeners in fairly large numbers? (Or at
>
> > least decent numbers.) If things keep going the way that
> > they are, a lot of younger would-be talk radio buffs will
> > steer themselves away from pursuing their dream of one day
>
> > hosting a talk radio show of their own in a large market,
> > because what would be the point? As it is, most CC-owned
> big
> > talkers are, as I said, full of nationally syndicated
> > voices, not local. I mean, it must be pretty discouraging
> > nowadays for some young kid fresh out of college to be
> > thinking about a future in talk radio with so little large
>
> > market opportunity. And let's face it, the larger the
> > market, presumably, the better the pay. Who in their right
>
> > mind wants to stay stuck doing a talk show on some
> > hole-in-the-wall AM talker out in the middle of nowhere
> for
> > 10, 15, or 20 years of his or her life??
> >
> > I don't know, Insultant. I don't like where talk radio is
> > headed in this country. Also, it seems to me that whenever
> a
> > local guy is new to a market, he or she (in my opinion)
> > makes the fatal error of trying too hard to sound like the
>
> > prototypical "controversial/opinionated/blow-hard
> nationally
> > syndicated talk show host". Lord knows, this country has
> > enough of those types on the radio right now! What talk
> > radio listener wants to sit there in his or her office,
> > home, or car and hear three more hours of "Rush Limbaugh
> > Junior"...or "Sean Hannity's flag-waving younger
> brother"??
> > I sure don't! These local people need to carve out their
> own
> > personal niche, their own personal style, and try really
> > hard not to squeeze themselves into the "cookie cutter AM
> > talk show host" mold!! It drives me crazy whenever I hear
> a
> > local-yocal trying to sound like what he thinks his
> audience
> > wants to hear---that being, another Rush Limbaugh! Oh,
> > please! Give me a break!
> >
> > Anyway....your thoughts on this, sir?
> >
>
> OK .. now that I have your attention.
>
> Look below ...
>
> Have you heard of paragraphs?
>
> Check the radio-info rules.
>
> Making a mess like this will get you banned.
>
> I should report you to a moderator, a hall monitor, the
> police, the FCC (oh, yeah, they don't do anything).
>
> Well, just watch it.
>
>
I straightened up my post a little. It was late when I typed it, so I was a bit tired and I was rambling along, not paying particularly close attention to detail/structure. My bad!
> > Okay, Insultant, let me ask you a question, since both you
>
> > and I seem to be on the same page about this topic.......
> >
> > Since two of the three OKC talkers are just creeping
> along,
> > barely showing up on the radar screen, and the third one,
> in
> > my opinion, is actually flying so far below the radar
> > screen, that if it were flying any lower, it might very
> well
> > crash into some really tall trees or building, lol!.......
>
> >
> > Given that, what if anything could/should these talkers do
>
> > to break out of their collective doldrums?? Should they
> take
> > a bold step and hire more local talent and have them host
> a
> > meaningful local talk show? Now I realize that that would
> > mean having to increase payroll--and heaven forbid---it
> > would also entitle someone to health benefits! Yikes! But
> it
> > sure seems to me that there are many markets around this
> > country (Kansas City, MO. comes to mind) where talk radio
> is
> > just languishing along. It's just the "same-old,
> same-old".
> > Lots and lots of syndicated yappers, and just a handful of
>
> > local talking heads.--Usually, it's that "morning guy",
> and
> > that's about it! I keep telling people that KOA in Denver
> is
> > an excellent model of what an AM talker should be. A line
> up
> > that consists almost entirely of local voices, except for
> > three hours of Rush Limbaugh. To me, KOA has it right!
> What
> > surprises me about KOA is that it's a CC-owned talker, and
>
> > yet, unlike most CC-owned AM talkers, it has a largely
> local
> > line up. Not wall-to-wall syndication stuff. And KOA gets
> > big numbers because their listeners like to hear about
> local
> > issues. The Denver audience is smart enough, and educated
> > enough, to know that they won't learn anything new or
> > worthwhile (be it about something happening in the world,
> or
> > especially if it's a subject about something to do with
> > Colorado) from listening to one nationally syndicated talk
>
> > show host after another after another after another! There
>
> > are a lot of talented (local) voices on that station
> (their
> > morning guy Mike Rosen comes to mind) that quite a few
> > Denverites tune into, and come to think of it, maybe I
> > should stop right here and ask the bigger question that
> > needs to be asked in all of this....Are there/is there
> > enough talented people out there in talk radioland to
> > attract and keep listeners in fairly large numbers? (Or at
>
> > least decent numbers.) If things keep going the way that
> > they are, a lot of younger would-be talk radio buffs will
> > steer themselves away from pursuing their dream of one day
>
> > hosting a talk radio show of their own in a large market,
> > because what would be the point? As it is, most CC-owned
> big
> > talkers are, as I said, full of nationally syndicated
> > voices, not local. I mean, it must be pretty discouraging
> > nowadays for some young kid fresh out of college to be
> > thinking about a future in talk radio with so little large
>
> > market opportunity. And let's face it, the larger the
> > market, presumably, the better the pay. Who in their right
>
> > mind wants to stay stuck doing a talk show on some
> > hole-in-the-wall AM talker out in the middle of nowhere
> for
> > 10, 15, or 20 years of his or her life??
> >
> > I don't know, Insultant. I don't like where talk radio is
> > headed in this country. Also, it seems to me that whenever
> a
> > local guy is new to a market, he or she (in my opinion)
> > makes the fatal error of trying too hard to sound like the
>
> > prototypical "controversial/opinionated/blow-hard
> nationally
> > syndicated talk show host". Lord knows, this country has
> > enough of those types on the radio right now! What talk
> > radio listener wants to sit there in his or her office,
> > home, or car and hear three more hours of "Rush Limbaugh
> > Junior"...or "Sean Hannity's flag-waving younger
> brother"??
> > I sure don't! These local people need to carve out their
> own
> > personal niche, their own personal style, and try really
> > hard not to squeeze themselves into the "cookie cutter AM
> > talk show host" mold!! It drives me crazy whenever I hear
> a
> > local-yocal trying to sound like what he thinks his
> audience
> > wants to hear---that being, another Rush Limbaugh! Oh,
> > please! Give me a break!
> >
> > Anyway....your thoughts on this, sir?
> >
>
T
THEInsultant
Guest
Re: KOKC goes hip hop
> > OK .. now that I have your attention.
> >
> > Look below ...
> >
> > Have you heard of paragraphs?
> >
> > Check the radio-info rules.
> >
> > Making a mess like this will get you banned.
> >
> > I should report you to a moderator, a hall monitor, the
> > police, the FCC (oh, yeah, they don't do anything).
> >
> > Well, just watch it.
> >
> >
> I straightened up my post a little. It was late when I typed
> it, so I was a bit tired and I was rambling along, not
> paying particularly close attention to detail/structure. My
> bad!
>
>
> > > Okay, Insultant, let me ask you a question, since both
> you
> >
> > > and I seem to be on the same page about this
> topic.......
> > >
> > > Since two of the three OKC talkers are just creeping
> > along,
> > > barely showing up on the radar screen, and the third
> one,
> > in
> > > my opinion, is actually flying so far below the radar
> > > screen, that if it were flying any lower, it might very
> > well
> > > crash into some really tall trees or building,
> lol!.......
> >
> > >
> > > Given that, what if anything could/should these talkers
> do
> >
> > > to break out of their collective doldrums?? Should they
> > take
> > > a bold step and hire more local talent and have them
> host
> > a
> > > meaningful local talk show? Now I realize that that
> would
> > > mean having to increase payroll--and heaven forbid---it
> > > would also entitle someone to health benefits! Yikes!
> But
> > it
> > > sure seems to me that there are many markets around this
>
> > > country (Kansas City, MO. comes to mind) where talk
> radio
> > is
> > > just languishing along. It's just the "same-old,
> > same-old".
> > > Lots and lots of syndicated yappers, and just a handful
> of
> >
> > > local talking heads.--Usually, it's that "morning guy",
> > and
> > > that's about it! I keep telling people that KOA in
> Denver
> > is
> > > an excellent model of what an AM talker should be. A
> line
> > up
> > > that consists almost entirely of local voices, except
> for
> > > three hours of Rush Limbaugh. To me, KOA has it right!
> > What
> > > surprises me about KOA is that it's a CC-owned talker,
> and
> >
> > > yet, unlike most CC-owned AM talkers, it has a largely
> > local
> > > line up. Not wall-to-wall syndication stuff. And KOA
> gets
> > > big numbers because their listeners like to hear about
> > local
> > > issues. The Denver audience is smart enough, and
> educated
> > > enough, to know that they won't learn anything new or
> > > worthwhile (be it about something happening in the
> world,
> > or
> > > especially if it's a subject about something to do with
> > > Colorado) from listening to one nationally syndicated
> talk
> >
> > > show host after another after another after another!
> There
> >
> > > are a lot of talented (local) voices on that station
> > (their
> > > morning guy Mike Rosen comes to mind) that quite a few
> > > Denverites tune into, and come to think of it, maybe I
> > > should stop right here and ask the bigger question that
> > > needs to be asked in all of this....Are there/is there
> > > enough talented people out there in talk radioland to
> > > attract and keep listeners in fairly large numbers? (Or
> at
> >
> > > least decent numbers.) If things keep going the way that
>
> > > they are, a lot of younger would-be talk radio buffs
> will
> > > steer themselves away from pursuing their dream of one
> day
> >
> > > hosting a talk radio show of their own in a large
> market,
> > > because what would be the point? As it is, most CC-owned
>
> > big
> > > talkers are, as I said, full of nationally syndicated
> > > voices, not local. I mean, it must be pretty
> discouraging
> > > nowadays for some young kid fresh out of college to be
> > > thinking about a future in talk radio with so little
> large
> >
> > > market opportunity. And let's face it, the larger the
> > > market, presumably, the better the pay. Who in their
> right
> >
> > > mind wants to stay stuck doing a talk show on some
> > > hole-in-the-wall AM talker out in the middle of nowhere
> > for
> > > 10, 15, or 20 years of his or her life??
> > >
> > > I don't know, Insultant. I don't like where talk radio
> is
> > > headed in this country. Also, it seems to me that
> whenever
> > a
> > > local guy is new to a market, he or she (in my opinion)
> > > makes the fatal error of trying too hard to sound like
> the
> >
> > > prototypical "controversial/opinionated/blow-hard
> > nationally
> > > syndicated talk show host". Lord knows, this country has
>
> > > enough of those types on the radio right now! What talk
> > > radio listener wants to sit there in his or her office,
> > > home, or car and hear three more hours of "Rush Limbaugh
>
> > > Junior"...or "Sean Hannity's flag-waving younger
> > brother"??
> > > I sure don't! These local people need to carve out their
>
> > own
> > > personal niche, their own personal style, and try really
>
> > > hard not to squeeze themselves into the "cookie cutter
> AM
> > > talk show host" mold!! It drives me crazy whenever I
> hear
> > a
> > > local-yocal trying to sound like what he thinks his
> > audience
> > > wants to hear---that being, another Rush Limbaugh! Oh,
> > > please! Give me a break!
> > >
> > > Anyway....your thoughts on this, sir?
> > >
> >
>
LOL! Well hopefully your post won't get LANCED for something so trivial, huh?
On the subject of the talkers in OKC, I'd have to say that basically if the other two want to get anywhere, they are going to have to put a LOT more into it. You mentioned local talk hosts. I agree good local hosts are part of winning, but a strong news department to go along with them is an absolute must. The news guys ferret out the stories and the talk guys engage the public into participating in discussions. It doesn't need to all be political crap either, especially non-local political crap. Everyone seems to forget what made KTOK work when they were down at Main and Virginia. They had lots of news cars, real traffic from someone that actually knew the city, news guys that cared and were talented that actually DROVE the news cars most of the time gathering hard stories, and good talk hosts talking about stuff people in OKC want to discuss. Also, they were feeding a damn statewide network out of there too while keeping a great talker going. All of that came out of a little, itty, bitty rat-hole building most of us we laugh at these days. Face it corporate suits. If you want to win, you got to have the help and give them some damn tools to do the job. Taking the cheap way out is a cop-out, and it just won't amount to jack. If they like their 1 shares, so be it, but don't expect more than that, because it ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. Success comes from risks and faith in something, and the willingness to work hard to get there. Talk radio isn't as easy as spinning the hits if a station is going anywhere. Those that don't have the nads to play hard-ball in talk radio should consider other formats for their AMs.
Tired of being picked on here WKY and KOKC? Try becoming a REAL news-talker with enough real talent to get the job done. Give the public information that's useful. Be on top of what's happening around here everytime, not just a few times. Be the information station, not the rant about national headlines station. Give people a reason to switch away from 1000 or face becomeing the all-Sinatra channel. (LOL!)
<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
> > OK .. now that I have your attention.
> >
> > Look below ...
> >
> > Have you heard of paragraphs?
> >
> > Check the radio-info rules.
> >
> > Making a mess like this will get you banned.
> >
> > I should report you to a moderator, a hall monitor, the
> > police, the FCC (oh, yeah, they don't do anything).
> >
> > Well, just watch it.
> >
> >
> I straightened up my post a little. It was late when I typed
> it, so I was a bit tired and I was rambling along, not
> paying particularly close attention to detail/structure. My
> bad!
>
>
> > > Okay, Insultant, let me ask you a question, since both
> you
> >
> > > and I seem to be on the same page about this
> topic.......
> > >
> > > Since two of the three OKC talkers are just creeping
> > along,
> > > barely showing up on the radar screen, and the third
> one,
> > in
> > > my opinion, is actually flying so far below the radar
> > > screen, that if it were flying any lower, it might very
> > well
> > > crash into some really tall trees or building,
> lol!.......
> >
> > >
> > > Given that, what if anything could/should these talkers
> do
> >
> > > to break out of their collective doldrums?? Should they
> > take
> > > a bold step and hire more local talent and have them
> host
> > a
> > > meaningful local talk show? Now I realize that that
> would
> > > mean having to increase payroll--and heaven forbid---it
> > > would also entitle someone to health benefits! Yikes!
> But
> > it
> > > sure seems to me that there are many markets around this
>
> > > country (Kansas City, MO. comes to mind) where talk
> radio
> > is
> > > just languishing along. It's just the "same-old,
> > same-old".
> > > Lots and lots of syndicated yappers, and just a handful
> of
> >
> > > local talking heads.--Usually, it's that "morning guy",
> > and
> > > that's about it! I keep telling people that KOA in
> Denver
> > is
> > > an excellent model of what an AM talker should be. A
> line
> > up
> > > that consists almost entirely of local voices, except
> for
> > > three hours of Rush Limbaugh. To me, KOA has it right!
> > What
> > > surprises me about KOA is that it's a CC-owned talker,
> and
> >
> > > yet, unlike most CC-owned AM talkers, it has a largely
> > local
> > > line up. Not wall-to-wall syndication stuff. And KOA
> gets
> > > big numbers because their listeners like to hear about
> > local
> > > issues. The Denver audience is smart enough, and
> educated
> > > enough, to know that they won't learn anything new or
> > > worthwhile (be it about something happening in the
> world,
> > or
> > > especially if it's a subject about something to do with
> > > Colorado) from listening to one nationally syndicated
> talk
> >
> > > show host after another after another after another!
> There
> >
> > > are a lot of talented (local) voices on that station
> > (their
> > > morning guy Mike Rosen comes to mind) that quite a few
> > > Denverites tune into, and come to think of it, maybe I
> > > should stop right here and ask the bigger question that
> > > needs to be asked in all of this....Are there/is there
> > > enough talented people out there in talk radioland to
> > > attract and keep listeners in fairly large numbers? (Or
> at
> >
> > > least decent numbers.) If things keep going the way that
>
> > > they are, a lot of younger would-be talk radio buffs
> will
> > > steer themselves away from pursuing their dream of one
> day
> >
> > > hosting a talk radio show of their own in a large
> market,
> > > because what would be the point? As it is, most CC-owned
>
> > big
> > > talkers are, as I said, full of nationally syndicated
> > > voices, not local. I mean, it must be pretty
> discouraging
> > > nowadays for some young kid fresh out of college to be
> > > thinking about a future in talk radio with so little
> large
> >
> > > market opportunity. And let's face it, the larger the
> > > market, presumably, the better the pay. Who in their
> right
> >
> > > mind wants to stay stuck doing a talk show on some
> > > hole-in-the-wall AM talker out in the middle of nowhere
> > for
> > > 10, 15, or 20 years of his or her life??
> > >
> > > I don't know, Insultant. I don't like where talk radio
> is
> > > headed in this country. Also, it seems to me that
> whenever
> > a
> > > local guy is new to a market, he or she (in my opinion)
> > > makes the fatal error of trying too hard to sound like
> the
> >
> > > prototypical "controversial/opinionated/blow-hard
> > nationally
> > > syndicated talk show host". Lord knows, this country has
>
> > > enough of those types on the radio right now! What talk
> > > radio listener wants to sit there in his or her office,
> > > home, or car and hear three more hours of "Rush Limbaugh
>
> > > Junior"...or "Sean Hannity's flag-waving younger
> > brother"??
> > > I sure don't! These local people need to carve out their
>
> > own
> > > personal niche, their own personal style, and try really
>
> > > hard not to squeeze themselves into the "cookie cutter
> AM
> > > talk show host" mold!! It drives me crazy whenever I
> hear
> > a
> > > local-yocal trying to sound like what he thinks his
> > audience
> > > wants to hear---that being, another Rush Limbaugh! Oh,
> > > please! Give me a break!
> > >
> > > Anyway....your thoughts on this, sir?
> > >
> >
>
LOL! Well hopefully your post won't get LANCED for something so trivial, huh?
On the subject of the talkers in OKC, I'd have to say that basically if the other two want to get anywhere, they are going to have to put a LOT more into it. You mentioned local talk hosts. I agree good local hosts are part of winning, but a strong news department to go along with them is an absolute must. The news guys ferret out the stories and the talk guys engage the public into participating in discussions. It doesn't need to all be political crap either, especially non-local political crap. Everyone seems to forget what made KTOK work when they were down at Main and Virginia. They had lots of news cars, real traffic from someone that actually knew the city, news guys that cared and were talented that actually DROVE the news cars most of the time gathering hard stories, and good talk hosts talking about stuff people in OKC want to discuss. Also, they were feeding a damn statewide network out of there too while keeping a great talker going. All of that came out of a little, itty, bitty rat-hole building most of us we laugh at these days. Face it corporate suits. If you want to win, you got to have the help and give them some damn tools to do the job. Taking the cheap way out is a cop-out, and it just won't amount to jack. If they like their 1 shares, so be it, but don't expect more than that, because it ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. Success comes from risks and faith in something, and the willingness to work hard to get there. Talk radio isn't as easy as spinning the hits if a station is going anywhere. Those that don't have the nads to play hard-ball in talk radio should consider other formats for their AMs.
Tired of being picked on here WKY and KOKC? Try becoming a REAL news-talker with enough real talent to get the job done. Give the public information that's useful. Be on top of what's happening around here everytime, not just a few times. Be the information station, not the rant about national headlines station. Give people a reason to switch away from 1000 or face becomeing the all-Sinatra channel. (LOL!)
<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
S
snowman
Guest
> >
> >
> > Let's remember that the so-called "freaking out" was
> really
> > a firing of a PD who - correct me if I'm wrong - was
> awarded
> > a "PD of the Year" award from R&R just months before being
>
> > shown the door.
> >
> > The only question is who was responsible for keeping Lisa
> > and Ron. If it was JC the PD, well then maybe it was
> right
> > to let him go. If it was VH, then yes, it WAS a freaking
> > out to fire JC.
> >
>
> Hmm.. I'm thinking GMs usually handle contracts, etc. So,
> I'd have to say "JC" couldn't be the responsible party on
> L&R departure, huh? And, I believe I heard something about
> JC for the RR PD award, or something like that.
>
> Aren't initials just grand?
>
BTW....FTBOMH......ROFLMAO.
> >
> > Let's remember that the so-called "freaking out" was
> really
> > a firing of a PD who - correct me if I'm wrong - was
> awarded
> > a "PD of the Year" award from R&R just months before being
>
> > shown the door.
> >
> > The only question is who was responsible for keeping Lisa
> > and Ron. If it was JC the PD, well then maybe it was
> right
> > to let him go. If it was VH, then yes, it WAS a freaking
> > out to fire JC.
> >
>
> Hmm.. I'm thinking GMs usually handle contracts, etc. So,
> I'd have to say "JC" couldn't be the responsible party on
> L&R departure, huh? And, I believe I heard something about
> JC for the RR PD award, or something like that.
>
> Aren't initials just grand?
>
BTW....FTBOMH......ROFLMAO.
2
2001
Guest
Re: KOKC goes hip hop
> > > OK .. now that I have your attention.
> > >
> > > Look below ...
> > >
> > > Have you heard of paragraphs?
> > >
> > > Check the radio-info rules.
> > >
> > > Making a mess like this will get you banned.
> > >
> > > I should report you to a moderator, a hall monitor, the
> > > police, the FCC (oh, yeah, they don't do anything).
> > >
> > > Well, just watch it.
> > >
> > >
> > I straightened up my post a little. It was late when I
> typed
> > it, so I was a bit tired and I was rambling along, not
> > paying particularly close attention to detail/structure.
> My
> > bad!
> >
> >
> > > > Okay, Insultant, let me ask you a question, since both
>
> > you
> > >
> > > > and I seem to be on the same page about this
> > topic.......
> > > >
> > > > Since two of the three OKC talkers are just creeping
> > > along,
> > > > barely showing up on the radar screen, and the third
> > one,
> > > in
> > > > my opinion, is actually flying so far below the radar
> > > > screen, that if it were flying any lower, it might
> very
> > > well
> > > > crash into some really tall trees or building,
> > lol!.......
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Given that, what if anything could/should these
> talkers
> > do
> > >
> > > > to break out of their collective doldrums?? Should
> they
> > > take
> > > > a bold step and hire more local talent and have them
> > host
> > > a
> > > > meaningful local talk show? Now I realize that that
> > would
> > > > mean having to increase payroll--and heaven
> forbid---it
> > > > would also entitle someone to health benefits! Yikes!
> > But
> > > it
> > > > sure seems to me that there are many markets around
> this
> >
> > > > country (Kansas City, MO. comes to mind) where talk
> > radio
> > > is
> > > > just languishing along. It's just the "same-old,
> > > same-old".
> > > > Lots and lots of syndicated yappers, and just a
> handful
> > of
> > >
> > > > local talking heads.--Usually, it's that "morning
> guy",
> > > and
> > > > that's about it! I keep telling people that KOA in
> > Denver
> > > is
> > > > an excellent model of what an AM talker should be. A
> > line
> > > up
> > > > that consists almost entirely of local voices, except
> > for
> > > > three hours of Rush Limbaugh. To me, KOA has it right!
>
> > > What
> > > > surprises me about KOA is that it's a CC-owned talker,
>
> > and
> > >
> > > > yet, unlike most CC-owned AM talkers, it has a largely
>
> > > local
> > > > line up. Not wall-to-wall syndication stuff. And KOA
> > gets
> > > > big numbers because their listeners like to hear about
>
> > > local
> > > > issues. The Denver audience is smart enough, and
> > educated
> > > > enough, to know that they won't learn anything new or
> > > > worthwhile (be it about something happening in the
> > world,
> > > or
> > > > especially if it's a subject about something to do
> with
> > > > Colorado) from listening to one nationally syndicated
> > talk
> > >
> > > > show host after another after another after another!
> > There
> > >
> > > > are a lot of talented (local) voices on that station
> > > (their
> > > > morning guy Mike Rosen comes to mind) that quite a few
>
> > > > Denverites tune into, and come to think of it, maybe I
>
> > > > should stop right here and ask the bigger question
> that
> > > > needs to be asked in all of this....Are there/is there
>
> > > > enough talented people out there in talk radioland to
> > > > attract and keep listeners in fairly large numbers?
> (Or
> > at
> > >
> > > > least decent numbers.) If things keep going the way
> that
> >
> > > > they are, a lot of younger would-be talk radio buffs
> > will
> > > > steer themselves away from pursuing their dream of one
>
> > day
> > >
> > > > hosting a talk radio show of their own in a large
> > market,
> > > > because what would be the point? As it is, most
> CC-owned
> >
> > > big
> > > > talkers are, as I said, full of nationally syndicated
> > > > voices, not local. I mean, it must be pretty
> > discouraging
> > > > nowadays for some young kid fresh out of college to be
>
> > > > thinking about a future in talk radio with so little
> > large
> > >
> > > > market opportunity. And let's face it, the larger the
> > > > market, presumably, the better the pay. Who in their
> > right
> > >
> > > > mind wants to stay stuck doing a talk show on some
> > > > hole-in-the-wall AM talker out in the middle of
> nowhere
> > > for
> > > > 10, 15, or 20 years of his or her life??
> > > >
> > > > I don't know, Insultant. I don't like where talk radio
>
> > is
> > > > headed in this country. Also, it seems to me that
> > whenever
> > > a
> > > > local guy is new to a market, he or she (in my
> opinion)
> > > > makes the fatal error of trying too hard to sound like
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > prototypical "controversial/opinionated/blow-hard
> > > nationally
> > > > syndicated talk show host". Lord knows, this country
> has
> >
> > > > enough of those types on the radio right now! What
> talk
> > > > radio listener wants to sit there in his or her
> office,
> > > > home, or car and hear three more hours of "Rush
> Limbaugh
> >
> > > > Junior"...or "Sean Hannity's flag-waving younger
> > > brother"??
> > > > I sure don't! These local people need to carve out
> their
> >
> > > own
> > > > personal niche, their own personal style, and try
> really
> >
> > > > hard not to squeeze themselves into the "cookie cutter
>
> > AM
> > > > talk show host" mold!! It drives me crazy whenever I
> > hear
> > > a
> > > > local-yocal trying to sound like what he thinks his
> > > audience
> > > > wants to hear---that being, another Rush Limbaugh! Oh,
>
> > > > please! Give me a break!
> > > >
> > > > Anyway....your thoughts on this, sir?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> LOL! Well hopefully your post won't get LANCED for
> something so trivial, huh?
>
> On the subject of the talkers in OKC, I'd have to say that
> basically if the other two want to get anywhere, they are
> going to have to put a LOT more into it. You mentioned
> local talk hosts. I agree good local hosts are part of
> winning, but a strong news department to go along with them
> is an absolute must. The news guys ferret out the stories
> and the talk guys engage the public into participating in
> discussions. It doesn't need to all be political crap
> either, especially non-local political crap. Everyone seems
> to forget what made KTOK work when they were down at Main
> and Virginia. They had lots of news cars, real traffic from
> someone that actually knew the city, news guys that cared
> and were talented that actually DROVE the news cars most of
> the time gathering hard stories, and good talk hosts talking
> about stuff people in OKC want to discuss. Also, they were
> feeding a damn statewide network out of there too while
> keeping a great talker going. All of that came out of a
> little, itty, bitty rat-hole building most of us we laugh at
> these days. Face it corporate suits. If you want to win,
> you got to have the help and give them some damn tools to do
> the job. Taking the cheap way out is a cop-out, and it just
> won't amount to jack. If they like their 1 shares, so be
> it, but don't expect more than that, because it ISN'T GOING
> TO HAPPEN. Success comes from risks and faith in something,
> and the willingness to work hard to get there. Talk radio
> isn't as easy as spinning the hits if a station is going
> anywhere. Those that don't have the nads to play hard-ball
> in talk radio should consider other formats for their AMs.
>
>
> Tired of being picked on here WKY and KOKC? Try becoming a
> REAL news-talker with enough real talent to get the job
> done. Give the public information that's useful. Be on top
> of what's happening around here everytime, not just a few
> times. Be the information station, not the rant about
> national headlines station. Give people a reason to switch
> away from 1000 or face becomeing the all-Sinatra channel.
> (LOL!)
>
News gatherers. So true!---It's the news gatherers at KOA that make that station the great talk station that it is. I failed to mention that in my earlier post. That's a great point. So it really does all come down to the willingness to spend some money/increase payroll and get people out there on the streets observing the comings and goings, and sniffing out a potential "major scoop" here and there. Be it in OKC or elsewhere in Oklahoma. Yeah, I guess you get out of a radio station (in this case an AM talker) what you, the company, decides/feels like putting into it.
Hmmmmm............
> > > OK .. now that I have your attention.
> > >
> > > Look below ...
> > >
> > > Have you heard of paragraphs?
> > >
> > > Check the radio-info rules.
> > >
> > > Making a mess like this will get you banned.
> > >
> > > I should report you to a moderator, a hall monitor, the
> > > police, the FCC (oh, yeah, they don't do anything).
> > >
> > > Well, just watch it.
> > >
> > >
> > I straightened up my post a little. It was late when I
> typed
> > it, so I was a bit tired and I was rambling along, not
> > paying particularly close attention to detail/structure.
> My
> > bad!
> >
> >
> > > > Okay, Insultant, let me ask you a question, since both
>
> > you
> > >
> > > > and I seem to be on the same page about this
> > topic.......
> > > >
> > > > Since two of the three OKC talkers are just creeping
> > > along,
> > > > barely showing up on the radar screen, and the third
> > one,
> > > in
> > > > my opinion, is actually flying so far below the radar
> > > > screen, that if it were flying any lower, it might
> very
> > > well
> > > > crash into some really tall trees or building,
> > lol!.......
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Given that, what if anything could/should these
> talkers
> > do
> > >
> > > > to break out of their collective doldrums?? Should
> they
> > > take
> > > > a bold step and hire more local talent and have them
> > host
> > > a
> > > > meaningful local talk show? Now I realize that that
> > would
> > > > mean having to increase payroll--and heaven
> forbid---it
> > > > would also entitle someone to health benefits! Yikes!
> > But
> > > it
> > > > sure seems to me that there are many markets around
> this
> >
> > > > country (Kansas City, MO. comes to mind) where talk
> > radio
> > > is
> > > > just languishing along. It's just the "same-old,
> > > same-old".
> > > > Lots and lots of syndicated yappers, and just a
> handful
> > of
> > >
> > > > local talking heads.--Usually, it's that "morning
> guy",
> > > and
> > > > that's about it! I keep telling people that KOA in
> > Denver
> > > is
> > > > an excellent model of what an AM talker should be. A
> > line
> > > up
> > > > that consists almost entirely of local voices, except
> > for
> > > > three hours of Rush Limbaugh. To me, KOA has it right!
>
> > > What
> > > > surprises me about KOA is that it's a CC-owned talker,
>
> > and
> > >
> > > > yet, unlike most CC-owned AM talkers, it has a largely
>
> > > local
> > > > line up. Not wall-to-wall syndication stuff. And KOA
> > gets
> > > > big numbers because their listeners like to hear about
>
> > > local
> > > > issues. The Denver audience is smart enough, and
> > educated
> > > > enough, to know that they won't learn anything new or
> > > > worthwhile (be it about something happening in the
> > world,
> > > or
> > > > especially if it's a subject about something to do
> with
> > > > Colorado) from listening to one nationally syndicated
> > talk
> > >
> > > > show host after another after another after another!
> > There
> > >
> > > > are a lot of talented (local) voices on that station
> > > (their
> > > > morning guy Mike Rosen comes to mind) that quite a few
>
> > > > Denverites tune into, and come to think of it, maybe I
>
> > > > should stop right here and ask the bigger question
> that
> > > > needs to be asked in all of this....Are there/is there
>
> > > > enough talented people out there in talk radioland to
> > > > attract and keep listeners in fairly large numbers?
> (Or
> > at
> > >
> > > > least decent numbers.) If things keep going the way
> that
> >
> > > > they are, a lot of younger would-be talk radio buffs
> > will
> > > > steer themselves away from pursuing their dream of one
>
> > day
> > >
> > > > hosting a talk radio show of their own in a large
> > market,
> > > > because what would be the point? As it is, most
> CC-owned
> >
> > > big
> > > > talkers are, as I said, full of nationally syndicated
> > > > voices, not local. I mean, it must be pretty
> > discouraging
> > > > nowadays for some young kid fresh out of college to be
>
> > > > thinking about a future in talk radio with so little
> > large
> > >
> > > > market opportunity. And let's face it, the larger the
> > > > market, presumably, the better the pay. Who in their
> > right
> > >
> > > > mind wants to stay stuck doing a talk show on some
> > > > hole-in-the-wall AM talker out in the middle of
> nowhere
> > > for
> > > > 10, 15, or 20 years of his or her life??
> > > >
> > > > I don't know, Insultant. I don't like where talk radio
>
> > is
> > > > headed in this country. Also, it seems to me that
> > whenever
> > > a
> > > > local guy is new to a market, he or she (in my
> opinion)
> > > > makes the fatal error of trying too hard to sound like
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > prototypical "controversial/opinionated/blow-hard
> > > nationally
> > > > syndicated talk show host". Lord knows, this country
> has
> >
> > > > enough of those types on the radio right now! What
> talk
> > > > radio listener wants to sit there in his or her
> office,
> > > > home, or car and hear three more hours of "Rush
> Limbaugh
> >
> > > > Junior"...or "Sean Hannity's flag-waving younger
> > > brother"??
> > > > I sure don't! These local people need to carve out
> their
> >
> > > own
> > > > personal niche, their own personal style, and try
> really
> >
> > > > hard not to squeeze themselves into the "cookie cutter
>
> > AM
> > > > talk show host" mold!! It drives me crazy whenever I
> > hear
> > > a
> > > > local-yocal trying to sound like what he thinks his
> > > audience
> > > > wants to hear---that being, another Rush Limbaugh! Oh,
>
> > > > please! Give me a break!
> > > >
> > > > Anyway....your thoughts on this, sir?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> LOL! Well hopefully your post won't get LANCED for
> something so trivial, huh?
>
> On the subject of the talkers in OKC, I'd have to say that
> basically if the other two want to get anywhere, they are
> going to have to put a LOT more into it. You mentioned
> local talk hosts. I agree good local hosts are part of
> winning, but a strong news department to go along with them
> is an absolute must. The news guys ferret out the stories
> and the talk guys engage the public into participating in
> discussions. It doesn't need to all be political crap
> either, especially non-local political crap. Everyone seems
> to forget what made KTOK work when they were down at Main
> and Virginia. They had lots of news cars, real traffic from
> someone that actually knew the city, news guys that cared
> and were talented that actually DROVE the news cars most of
> the time gathering hard stories, and good talk hosts talking
> about stuff people in OKC want to discuss. Also, they were
> feeding a damn statewide network out of there too while
> keeping a great talker going. All of that came out of a
> little, itty, bitty rat-hole building most of us we laugh at
> these days. Face it corporate suits. If you want to win,
> you got to have the help and give them some damn tools to do
> the job. Taking the cheap way out is a cop-out, and it just
> won't amount to jack. If they like their 1 shares, so be
> it, but don't expect more than that, because it ISN'T GOING
> TO HAPPEN. Success comes from risks and faith in something,
> and the willingness to work hard to get there. Talk radio
> isn't as easy as spinning the hits if a station is going
> anywhere. Those that don't have the nads to play hard-ball
> in talk radio should consider other formats for their AMs.
>
>
> Tired of being picked on here WKY and KOKC? Try becoming a
> REAL news-talker with enough real talent to get the job
> done. Give the public information that's useful. Be on top
> of what's happening around here everytime, not just a few
> times. Be the information station, not the rant about
> national headlines station. Give people a reason to switch
> away from 1000 or face becomeing the all-Sinatra channel.
> (LOL!)
>
News gatherers. So true!---It's the news gatherers at KOA that make that station the great talk station that it is. I failed to mention that in my earlier post. That's a great point. So it really does all come down to the willingness to spend some money/increase payroll and get people out there on the streets observing the comings and goings, and sniffing out a potential "major scoop" here and there. Be it in OKC or elsewhere in Oklahoma. Yeah, I guess you get out of a radio station (in this case an AM talker) what you, the company, decides/feels like putting into it.
Hmmmmm............
T
THEInsultant
Guest
Re: KOKC goes hip hop
> > > > OK .. now that I have your attention.
> > > >
> > > > Look below ...
> > > >
> > > > Have you heard of paragraphs?
> > > >
> > > > Check the radio-info rules.
> > > >
> > > > Making a mess like this will get you banned.
> > > >
> > > > I should report you to a moderator, a hall monitor,
> the
> > > > police, the FCC (oh, yeah, they don't do anything).
> > > >
> > > > Well, just watch it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I straightened up my post a little. It was late when I
> > typed
> > > it, so I was a bit tired and I was rambling along, not
> > > paying particularly close attention to detail/structure.
>
> > My
> > > bad!
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Okay, Insultant, let me ask you a question, since
> both
> >
> > > you
> > > >
> > > > > and I seem to be on the same page about this
> > > topic.......
> > > > >
> > > > > Since two of the three OKC talkers are just creeping
>
> > > > along,
> > > > > barely showing up on the radar screen, and the third
>
> > > one,
> > > > in
> > > > > my opinion, is actually flying so far below the
> radar
> > > > > screen, that if it were flying any lower, it might
> > very
> > > > well
> > > > > crash into some really tall trees or building,
> > > lol!.......
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Given that, what if anything could/should these
> > talkers
> > > do
> > > >
> > > > > to break out of their collective doldrums?? Should
> > they
> > > > take
> > > > > a bold step and hire more local talent and have them
>
> > > host
> > > > a
> > > > > meaningful local talk show? Now I realize that that
> > > would
> > > > > mean having to increase payroll--and heaven
> > forbid---it
> > > > > would also entitle someone to health benefits!
> Yikes!
> > > But
> > > > it
> > > > > sure seems to me that there are many markets around
> > this
> > >
> > > > > country (Kansas City, MO. comes to mind) where talk
> > > radio
> > > > is
> > > > > just languishing along. It's just the "same-old,
> > > > same-old".
> > > > > Lots and lots of syndicated yappers, and just a
> > handful
> > > of
> > > >
> > > > > local talking heads.--Usually, it's that "morning
> > guy",
> > > > and
> > > > > that's about it! I keep telling people that KOA in
> > > Denver
> > > > is
> > > > > an excellent model of what an AM talker should be. A
>
> > > line
> > > > up
> > > > > that consists almost entirely of local voices,
> except
> > > for
> > > > > three hours of Rush Limbaugh. To me, KOA has it
> right!
> >
> > > > What
> > > > > surprises me about KOA is that it's a CC-owned
> talker,
> >
> > > and
> > > >
> > > > > yet, unlike most CC-owned AM talkers, it has a
> largely
> >
> > > > local
> > > > > line up. Not wall-to-wall syndication stuff. And KOA
>
> > > gets
> > > > > big numbers because their listeners like to hear
> about
> >
> > > > local
> > > > > issues. The Denver audience is smart enough, and
> > > educated
> > > > > enough, to know that they won't learn anything new
> or
> > > > > worthwhile (be it about something happening in the
> > > world,
> > > > or
> > > > > especially if it's a subject about something to do
> > with
> > > > > Colorado) from listening to one nationally
> syndicated
> > > talk
> > > >
> > > > > show host after another after another after another!
>
> > > There
> > > >
> > > > > are a lot of talented (local) voices on that station
>
> > > > (their
> > > > > morning guy Mike Rosen comes to mind) that quite a
> few
> >
> > > > > Denverites tune into, and come to think of it, maybe
> I
> >
> > > > > should stop right here and ask the bigger question
> > that
> > > > > needs to be asked in all of this....Are there/is
> there
> >
> > > > > enough talented people out there in talk radioland
> to
> > > > > attract and keep listeners in fairly large numbers?
> > (Or
> > > at
> > > >
> > > > > least decent numbers.) If things keep going the way
> > that
> > >
> > > > > they are, a lot of younger would-be talk radio buffs
>
> > > will
> > > > > steer themselves away from pursuing their dream of
> one
> >
> > > day
> > > >
> > > > > hosting a talk radio show of their own in a large
> > > market,
> > > > > because what would be the point? As it is, most
> > CC-owned
> > >
> > > > big
> > > > > talkers are, as I said, full of nationally
> syndicated
> > > > > voices, not local. I mean, it must be pretty
> > > discouraging
> > > > > nowadays for some young kid fresh out of college to
> be
> >
> > > > > thinking about a future in talk radio with so little
>
> > > large
> > > >
> > > > > market opportunity. And let's face it, the larger
> the
> > > > > market, presumably, the better the pay. Who in their
>
> > > right
> > > >
> > > > > mind wants to stay stuck doing a talk show on some
> > > > > hole-in-the-wall AM talker out in the middle of
> > nowhere
> > > > for
> > > > > 10, 15, or 20 years of his or her life??
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know, Insultant. I don't like where talk
> radio
> >
> > > is
> > > > > headed in this country. Also, it seems to me that
> > > whenever
> > > > a
> > > > > local guy is new to a market, he or she (in my
> > opinion)
> > > > > makes the fatal error of trying too hard to sound
> like
> >
> > > the
> > > >
> > > > > prototypical "controversial/opinionated/blow-hard
> > > > nationally
> > > > > syndicated talk show host". Lord knows, this country
>
> > has
> > >
> > > > > enough of those types on the radio right now! What
> > talk
> > > > > radio listener wants to sit there in his or her
> > office,
> > > > > home, or car and hear three more hours of "Rush
> > Limbaugh
> > >
> > > > > Junior"...or "Sean Hannity's flag-waving younger
> > > > brother"??
> > > > > I sure don't! These local people need to carve out
> > their
> > >
> > > > own
> > > > > personal niche, their own personal style, and try
> > really
> > >
> > > > > hard not to squeeze themselves into the "cookie
> cutter
> >
> > > AM
> > > > > talk show host" mold!! It drives me crazy whenever I
>
> > > hear
> > > > a
> > > > > local-yocal trying to sound like what he thinks his
> > > > audience
> > > > > wants to hear---that being, another Rush Limbaugh!
> Oh,
> >
> > > > > please! Give me a break!
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway....your thoughts on this, sir?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > LOL! Well hopefully your post won't get LANCED for
> > something so trivial, huh?
> >
> > On the subject of the talkers in OKC, I'd have to say that
>
> > basically if the other two want to get anywhere, they are
> > going to have to put a LOT more into it. You mentioned
> > local talk hosts. I agree good local hosts are part of
> > winning, but a strong news department to go along with
> them
> > is an absolute must. The news guys ferret out the stories
> > and the talk guys engage the public into participating in
> > discussions. It doesn't need to all be political crap
> > either, especially non-local political crap. Everyone
> seems
> > to forget what made KTOK work when they were down at Main
> > and Virginia. They had lots of news cars, real traffic
> from
> > someone that actually knew the city, news guys that cared
> > and were talented that actually DROVE the news cars most
> of
> > the time gathering hard stories, and good talk hosts
> talking
> > about stuff people in OKC want to discuss. Also, they were
>
> > feeding a damn statewide network out of there too while
> > keeping a great talker going. All of that came out of a
> > little, itty, bitty rat-hole building most of us we laugh
> at
> > these days. Face it corporate suits. If you want to win,
>
> > you got to have the help and give them some damn tools to
> do
> > the job. Taking the cheap way out is a cop-out, and it
> just
> > won't amount to jack. If they like their 1 shares, so be
> > it, but don't expect more than that, because it ISN'T
> GOING
> > TO HAPPEN. Success comes from risks and faith in
> something,
> > and the willingness to work hard to get there. Talk radio
>
> > isn't as easy as spinning the hits if a station is going
> > anywhere. Those that don't have the nads to play
> hard-ball
> > in talk radio should consider other formats for their AMs.
>
> >
> >
> > Tired of being picked on here WKY and KOKC? Try becoming
> a
> > REAL news-talker with enough real talent to get the job
> > done. Give the public information that's useful. Be on
> top
> > of what's happening around here everytime, not just a few
> > times. Be the information station, not the rant about
> > national headlines station. Give people a reason to switch
>
> > away from 1000 or face becomeing the all-Sinatra channel.
> > (LOL!)
> >
>
> News gatherers. So true!---It's the news gatherers at KOA
> that make that station the great talk station that it is. I
> failed to mention that in my earlier post. That's a great
> point. So it really does all come down to the willingness to
> spend some money/increase payroll and get people out there
> on the streets observing the comings and goings, and
> sniffing out a potential "major scoop" here and there. Be it
> in OKC or elsewhere in Oklahoma. Yeah, I guess you get out
> of a radio station (in this case an AM talker) what you, the
> company, decides/feels like putting into it.
>
> Hmmmmm............
>
Exactly.. Garbage programming in equals garbage results out.
<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
> > > > OK .. now that I have your attention.
> > > >
> > > > Look below ...
> > > >
> > > > Have you heard of paragraphs?
> > > >
> > > > Check the radio-info rules.
> > > >
> > > > Making a mess like this will get you banned.
> > > >
> > > > I should report you to a moderator, a hall monitor,
> the
> > > > police, the FCC (oh, yeah, they don't do anything).
> > > >
> > > > Well, just watch it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I straightened up my post a little. It was late when I
> > typed
> > > it, so I was a bit tired and I was rambling along, not
> > > paying particularly close attention to detail/structure.
>
> > My
> > > bad!
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Okay, Insultant, let me ask you a question, since
> both
> >
> > > you
> > > >
> > > > > and I seem to be on the same page about this
> > > topic.......
> > > > >
> > > > > Since two of the three OKC talkers are just creeping
>
> > > > along,
> > > > > barely showing up on the radar screen, and the third
>
> > > one,
> > > > in
> > > > > my opinion, is actually flying so far below the
> radar
> > > > > screen, that if it were flying any lower, it might
> > very
> > > > well
> > > > > crash into some really tall trees or building,
> > > lol!.......
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Given that, what if anything could/should these
> > talkers
> > > do
> > > >
> > > > > to break out of their collective doldrums?? Should
> > they
> > > > take
> > > > > a bold step and hire more local talent and have them
>
> > > host
> > > > a
> > > > > meaningful local talk show? Now I realize that that
> > > would
> > > > > mean having to increase payroll--and heaven
> > forbid---it
> > > > > would also entitle someone to health benefits!
> Yikes!
> > > But
> > > > it
> > > > > sure seems to me that there are many markets around
> > this
> > >
> > > > > country (Kansas City, MO. comes to mind) where talk
> > > radio
> > > > is
> > > > > just languishing along. It's just the "same-old,
> > > > same-old".
> > > > > Lots and lots of syndicated yappers, and just a
> > handful
> > > of
> > > >
> > > > > local talking heads.--Usually, it's that "morning
> > guy",
> > > > and
> > > > > that's about it! I keep telling people that KOA in
> > > Denver
> > > > is
> > > > > an excellent model of what an AM talker should be. A
>
> > > line
> > > > up
> > > > > that consists almost entirely of local voices,
> except
> > > for
> > > > > three hours of Rush Limbaugh. To me, KOA has it
> right!
> >
> > > > What
> > > > > surprises me about KOA is that it's a CC-owned
> talker,
> >
> > > and
> > > >
> > > > > yet, unlike most CC-owned AM talkers, it has a
> largely
> >
> > > > local
> > > > > line up. Not wall-to-wall syndication stuff. And KOA
>
> > > gets
> > > > > big numbers because their listeners like to hear
> about
> >
> > > > local
> > > > > issues. The Denver audience is smart enough, and
> > > educated
> > > > > enough, to know that they won't learn anything new
> or
> > > > > worthwhile (be it about something happening in the
> > > world,
> > > > or
> > > > > especially if it's a subject about something to do
> > with
> > > > > Colorado) from listening to one nationally
> syndicated
> > > talk
> > > >
> > > > > show host after another after another after another!
>
> > > There
> > > >
> > > > > are a lot of talented (local) voices on that station
>
> > > > (their
> > > > > morning guy Mike Rosen comes to mind) that quite a
> few
> >
> > > > > Denverites tune into, and come to think of it, maybe
> I
> >
> > > > > should stop right here and ask the bigger question
> > that
> > > > > needs to be asked in all of this....Are there/is
> there
> >
> > > > > enough talented people out there in talk radioland
> to
> > > > > attract and keep listeners in fairly large numbers?
> > (Or
> > > at
> > > >
> > > > > least decent numbers.) If things keep going the way
> > that
> > >
> > > > > they are, a lot of younger would-be talk radio buffs
>
> > > will
> > > > > steer themselves away from pursuing their dream of
> one
> >
> > > day
> > > >
> > > > > hosting a talk radio show of their own in a large
> > > market,
> > > > > because what would be the point? As it is, most
> > CC-owned
> > >
> > > > big
> > > > > talkers are, as I said, full of nationally
> syndicated
> > > > > voices, not local. I mean, it must be pretty
> > > discouraging
> > > > > nowadays for some young kid fresh out of college to
> be
> >
> > > > > thinking about a future in talk radio with so little
>
> > > large
> > > >
> > > > > market opportunity. And let's face it, the larger
> the
> > > > > market, presumably, the better the pay. Who in their
>
> > > right
> > > >
> > > > > mind wants to stay stuck doing a talk show on some
> > > > > hole-in-the-wall AM talker out in the middle of
> > nowhere
> > > > for
> > > > > 10, 15, or 20 years of his or her life??
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know, Insultant. I don't like where talk
> radio
> >
> > > is
> > > > > headed in this country. Also, it seems to me that
> > > whenever
> > > > a
> > > > > local guy is new to a market, he or she (in my
> > opinion)
> > > > > makes the fatal error of trying too hard to sound
> like
> >
> > > the
> > > >
> > > > > prototypical "controversial/opinionated/blow-hard
> > > > nationally
> > > > > syndicated talk show host". Lord knows, this country
>
> > has
> > >
> > > > > enough of those types on the radio right now! What
> > talk
> > > > > radio listener wants to sit there in his or her
> > office,
> > > > > home, or car and hear three more hours of "Rush
> > Limbaugh
> > >
> > > > > Junior"...or "Sean Hannity's flag-waving younger
> > > > brother"??
> > > > > I sure don't! These local people need to carve out
> > their
> > >
> > > > own
> > > > > personal niche, their own personal style, and try
> > really
> > >
> > > > > hard not to squeeze themselves into the "cookie
> cutter
> >
> > > AM
> > > > > talk show host" mold!! It drives me crazy whenever I
>
> > > hear
> > > > a
> > > > > local-yocal trying to sound like what he thinks his
> > > > audience
> > > > > wants to hear---that being, another Rush Limbaugh!
> Oh,
> >
> > > > > please! Give me a break!
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway....your thoughts on this, sir?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > LOL! Well hopefully your post won't get LANCED for
> > something so trivial, huh?
> >
> > On the subject of the talkers in OKC, I'd have to say that
>
> > basically if the other two want to get anywhere, they are
> > going to have to put a LOT more into it. You mentioned
> > local talk hosts. I agree good local hosts are part of
> > winning, but a strong news department to go along with
> them
> > is an absolute must. The news guys ferret out the stories
> > and the talk guys engage the public into participating in
> > discussions. It doesn't need to all be political crap
> > either, especially non-local political crap. Everyone
> seems
> > to forget what made KTOK work when they were down at Main
> > and Virginia. They had lots of news cars, real traffic
> from
> > someone that actually knew the city, news guys that cared
> > and were talented that actually DROVE the news cars most
> of
> > the time gathering hard stories, and good talk hosts
> talking
> > about stuff people in OKC want to discuss. Also, they were
>
> > feeding a damn statewide network out of there too while
> > keeping a great talker going. All of that came out of a
> > little, itty, bitty rat-hole building most of us we laugh
> at
> > these days. Face it corporate suits. If you want to win,
>
> > you got to have the help and give them some damn tools to
> do
> > the job. Taking the cheap way out is a cop-out, and it
> just
> > won't amount to jack. If they like their 1 shares, so be
> > it, but don't expect more than that, because it ISN'T
> GOING
> > TO HAPPEN. Success comes from risks and faith in
> something,
> > and the willingness to work hard to get there. Talk radio
>
> > isn't as easy as spinning the hits if a station is going
> > anywhere. Those that don't have the nads to play
> hard-ball
> > in talk radio should consider other formats for their AMs.
>
> >
> >
> > Tired of being picked on here WKY and KOKC? Try becoming
> a
> > REAL news-talker with enough real talent to get the job
> > done. Give the public information that's useful. Be on
> top
> > of what's happening around here everytime, not just a few
> > times. Be the information station, not the rant about
> > national headlines station. Give people a reason to switch
>
> > away from 1000 or face becomeing the all-Sinatra channel.
> > (LOL!)
> >
>
> News gatherers. So true!---It's the news gatherers at KOA
> that make that station the great talk station that it is. I
> failed to mention that in my earlier post. That's a great
> point. So it really does all come down to the willingness to
> spend some money/increase payroll and get people out there
> on the streets observing the comings and goings, and
> sniffing out a potential "major scoop" here and there. Be it
> in OKC or elsewhere in Oklahoma. Yeah, I guess you get out
> of a radio station (in this case an AM talker) what you, the
> company, decides/feels like putting into it.
>
> Hmmmmm............
>
Exactly.. Garbage programming in equals garbage results out.
<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
P
Phantom
Guest
Re: KOKC goes hip hop
Bottom line:
Oklahoma City cannot and will not support three news-talk stations. And actually, counting WWLS, OKC has four talk stations.
Renda obviously did not give KOKC time to develop, but I have my doubts whehter they ever would have been successful. People seemed satisfied with KTOK. Why is beyond me. Habit, maybe.
And it's a shame because Oklahoma City has one of the worst newspapers in the nation.
Oh, I doubt hip hop on KOKC would work either.
Maybe a combination of old doo wop and hip hop
The format: Hip Hop Doo Wop ... say it fast ... Hip Hop Doo Wop.
Right on. Right out.
> >
> > News gatherers. So true!---It's the news gatherers at KOA
> > that make that station the great talk station that it is.
> I
> > failed to mention that in my earlier post. That's a great
> > point. So it really does all come down to the willingness
> to
> > spend some money/increase payroll and get people out there
>
> > on the streets observing the comings and goings, and
> > sniffing out a potential "major scoop" here and there. Be
> it
> > in OKC or elsewhere in Oklahoma. Yeah, I guess you get out
>
> > of a radio station (in this case an AM talker) what you,
> the
> > company, decides/feels like putting into it.
> >
> > Hmmmmm............
> >
>
> Exactly.. Garbage programming in equals garbage results out.
>
Bottom line:
Oklahoma City cannot and will not support three news-talk stations. And actually, counting WWLS, OKC has four talk stations.
Renda obviously did not give KOKC time to develop, but I have my doubts whehter they ever would have been successful. People seemed satisfied with KTOK. Why is beyond me. Habit, maybe.
And it's a shame because Oklahoma City has one of the worst newspapers in the nation.
Oh, I doubt hip hop on KOKC would work either.
Maybe a combination of old doo wop and hip hop
The format: Hip Hop Doo Wop ... say it fast ... Hip Hop Doo Wop.
Right on. Right out.
> >
> > News gatherers. So true!---It's the news gatherers at KOA
> > that make that station the great talk station that it is.
> I
> > failed to mention that in my earlier post. That's a great
> > point. So it really does all come down to the willingness
> to
> > spend some money/increase payroll and get people out there
>
> > on the streets observing the comings and goings, and
> > sniffing out a potential "major scoop" here and there. Be
> it
> > in OKC or elsewhere in Oklahoma. Yeah, I guess you get out
>
> > of a radio station (in this case an AM talker) what you,
> the
> > company, decides/feels like putting into it.
> >
> > Hmmmmm............
> >
>
> Exactly.. Garbage programming in equals garbage results out.
>
Re: KOKC goes hip hop
I have to wade in, being a veteran of that little shack at Virgina and Main.
What made KTOK great was it's news department, weather coverage and all the personalities that went along with it.
The payroll was big, the commitment to doing the job right was there and KTOK to this day benefits from all that hard work done in the 1960's and 70's.
Local talk did not come along at KTOK until long after the station had already established itself as a news leader and even after the talk started, it was still music during the day and talk at night.
KOMA-am started out right. The problem is what it always is with current day radio, no guts at the corporate level, just the greed that makes the world go round these days.
WKY has the local talk and no news, KOKC has neither.
KTOK's product has been sub-standard for years but it hasn't mattered because no one has had the b---s to stick with it.
KOA is the perfect model, interesting fact..a former KOMA news guy works there now and is one of their rising stars.
By the way JC is now PD of BOB-fm. This should get real interesting.
> Bottom line:
>
> Oklahoma City cannot and will not support three news-talk
> stations. And actually, counting WWLS, OKC has four talk
> stations.
>
> Renda obviously did not give KOKC time to develop, but I
> have my doubts whehter they ever would have been successful.
> People seemed satisfied with KTOK. Why is beyond me.
> Habit, maybe.
>
> And it's a shame because Oklahoma City has one of the worst
> newspapers in the nation.
>
> Oh, I doubt hip hop on KOKC would work either.
>
> Maybe a combination of old doo wop and hip hop
>
> The format: Hip Hop Doo Wop ... say it fast ... Hip Hop Doo
> Wop.
>
> Right on. Right out.
I have to wade in, being a veteran of that little shack at Virgina and Main.
What made KTOK great was it's news department, weather coverage and all the personalities that went along with it.
The payroll was big, the commitment to doing the job right was there and KTOK to this day benefits from all that hard work done in the 1960's and 70's.
Local talk did not come along at KTOK until long after the station had already established itself as a news leader and even after the talk started, it was still music during the day and talk at night.
KOMA-am started out right. The problem is what it always is with current day radio, no guts at the corporate level, just the greed that makes the world go round these days.
WKY has the local talk and no news, KOKC has neither.
KTOK's product has been sub-standard for years but it hasn't mattered because no one has had the b---s to stick with it.
KOA is the perfect model, interesting fact..a former KOMA news guy works there now and is one of their rising stars.
By the way JC is now PD of BOB-fm. This should get real interesting.
> Bottom line:
>
> Oklahoma City cannot and will not support three news-talk
> stations. And actually, counting WWLS, OKC has four talk
> stations.
>
> Renda obviously did not give KOKC time to develop, but I
> have my doubts whehter they ever would have been successful.
> People seemed satisfied with KTOK. Why is beyond me.
> Habit, maybe.
>
> And it's a shame because Oklahoma City has one of the worst
> newspapers in the nation.
>
> Oh, I doubt hip hop on KOKC would work either.
>
> Maybe a combination of old doo wop and hip hop
>
> The format: Hip Hop Doo Wop ... say it fast ... Hip Hop Doo
> Wop.
>
> Right on. Right out.
2
2001
Guest
Re: KOKC goes hip hop
> I have to wade in, being a veteran of that little shack at
> Virgina and Main.
>
> What made KTOK great was it's news department, weather
> coverage and all the personalities that went along with it.
>
> The payroll was big, the commitment to doing the job right
> was there and KTOK to this day benefits from all that hard
> work done in the 1960's and 70's.
>
> Local talk did not come along at KTOK until long after the
> station had already established itself as a news leader and
> even after the talk started, it was still music during the
> day and talk at night.
>
> KOMA-am started out right. The problem is what it always is
> with current day radio, no guts at the corporate level, just
> the greed that makes the world go round these days.
>
> WKY has the local talk and no news, KOKC has neither.
>
> KTOK's product has been sub-standard for years but it hasn't
> mattered because no one has had the b---s to stick with it.
>
>
> KOA is the perfect model, interesting fact..a former KOMA
> news guy works there now and is one of their rising stars.
>
> By the way JC is now PD of BOB-fm. This should get real
> interesting.
>
>
Gee, I wonder if the "powers that be" at any of these OKC talkers actually reads this board?
(Not that it would make any difference.....But I was just wondering if they do.)
>
>
> > Bottom line:
> >
> > Oklahoma City cannot and will not support three news-talk
> > stations. And actually, counting WWLS, OKC has four talk
> > stations.
> >
> > Renda obviously did not give KOKC time to develop, but I
> > have my doubts whehter they ever would have been
> successful.
> > People seemed satisfied with KTOK. Why is beyond me.
> > Habit, maybe.
> >
> > And it's a shame because Oklahoma City has one of the
> worst
> > newspapers in the nation.
> >
> > Oh, I doubt hip hop on KOKC would work either.
> >
> > Maybe a combination of old doo wop and hip hop
> >
> > The format: Hip Hop Doo Wop ... say it fast ... Hip Hop
> Doo
> > Wop.
> >
> > Right on. Right out.
>
> I have to wade in, being a veteran of that little shack at
> Virgina and Main.
>
> What made KTOK great was it's news department, weather
> coverage and all the personalities that went along with it.
>
> The payroll was big, the commitment to doing the job right
> was there and KTOK to this day benefits from all that hard
> work done in the 1960's and 70's.
>
> Local talk did not come along at KTOK until long after the
> station had already established itself as a news leader and
> even after the talk started, it was still music during the
> day and talk at night.
>
> KOMA-am started out right. The problem is what it always is
> with current day radio, no guts at the corporate level, just
> the greed that makes the world go round these days.
>
> WKY has the local talk and no news, KOKC has neither.
>
> KTOK's product has been sub-standard for years but it hasn't
> mattered because no one has had the b---s to stick with it.
>
>
> KOA is the perfect model, interesting fact..a former KOMA
> news guy works there now and is one of their rising stars.
>
> By the way JC is now PD of BOB-fm. This should get real
> interesting.
>
>
Gee, I wonder if the "powers that be" at any of these OKC talkers actually reads this board?
(Not that it would make any difference.....But I was just wondering if they do.)
>
>
> > Bottom line:
> >
> > Oklahoma City cannot and will not support three news-talk
> > stations. And actually, counting WWLS, OKC has four talk
> > stations.
> >
> > Renda obviously did not give KOKC time to develop, but I
> > have my doubts whehter they ever would have been
> successful.
> > People seemed satisfied with KTOK. Why is beyond me.
> > Habit, maybe.
> >
> > And it's a shame because Oklahoma City has one of the
> worst
> > newspapers in the nation.
> >
> > Oh, I doubt hip hop on KOKC would work either.
> >
> > Maybe a combination of old doo wop and hip hop
> >
> > The format: Hip Hop Doo Wop ... say it fast ... Hip Hop
> Doo
> > Wop.
> >
> > Right on. Right out.
>
T
THEInsultant
Guest
Re: KOKC goes hip hop
> > I have to wade in, being a veteran of that little shack at
>
> > Virgina and Main.
> >
> > What made KTOK great was it's news department, weather
> > coverage and all the personalities that went along with
> it.
> >
> > The payroll was big, the commitment to doing the job right
>
> > was there and KTOK to this day benefits from all that hard
>
> > work done in the 1960's and 70's.
> >
> > Local talk did not come along at KTOK until long after the
>
> > station had already established itself as a news leader
> and
> > even after the talk started, it was still music during the
>
> > day and talk at night.
> >
> > KOMA-am started out right. The problem is what it always
> is
> > with current day radio, no guts at the corporate level,
> just
> > the greed that makes the world go round these days.
> >
> > WKY has the local talk and no news, KOKC has neither.
> >
> > KTOK's product has been sub-standard for years but it
> hasn't
> > mattered because no one has had the b---s to stick with
> it.
> >
> >
> > KOA is the perfect model, interesting fact..a former KOMA
> > news guy works there now and is one of their rising stars.
>
> >
> > By the way JC is now PD of BOB-fm. This should get real
> > interesting.
> >
> >
>
> Gee, I wonder if the "powers that be" at any of these OKC
> talkers actually reads this board?
> (Not that it would make any difference.....But I was just
> wondering if they do.)
> >
> >
>
> > > Bottom line:
> > >
> > > Oklahoma City cannot and will not support three
> news-talk
> > > stations. And actually, counting WWLS, OKC has four
> talk
> > > stations.
> > >
> > > Renda obviously did not give KOKC time to develop, but I
>
> > > have my doubts whehter they ever would have been
> > successful.
> > > People seemed satisfied with KTOK. Why is beyond me.
> > > Habit, maybe.
> > >
> > > And it's a shame because Oklahoma City has one of the
> > worst
> > > newspapers in the nation.
> > >
> > > Oh, I doubt hip hop on KOKC would work either.
> > >
> > > Maybe a combination of old doo wop and hip hop
> > >
> > > The format: Hip Hop Doo Wop ... say it fast ... Hip Hop
>
> > Doo
> > > Wop.
> > >
> > > Right on. Right out.
> >
>
LOL! If they do they woudn't likely care to listen. They have a better "plan", of course. (it's worked so great already, hasn't it?) Common knowlege and logic won't guide their programming decisions.. It's today's corporate radio you know!<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
> > I have to wade in, being a veteran of that little shack at
>
> > Virgina and Main.
> >
> > What made KTOK great was it's news department, weather
> > coverage and all the personalities that went along with
> it.
> >
> > The payroll was big, the commitment to doing the job right
>
> > was there and KTOK to this day benefits from all that hard
>
> > work done in the 1960's and 70's.
> >
> > Local talk did not come along at KTOK until long after the
>
> > station had already established itself as a news leader
> and
> > even after the talk started, it was still music during the
>
> > day and talk at night.
> >
> > KOMA-am started out right. The problem is what it always
> is
> > with current day radio, no guts at the corporate level,
> just
> > the greed that makes the world go round these days.
> >
> > WKY has the local talk and no news, KOKC has neither.
> >
> > KTOK's product has been sub-standard for years but it
> hasn't
> > mattered because no one has had the b---s to stick with
> it.
> >
> >
> > KOA is the perfect model, interesting fact..a former KOMA
> > news guy works there now and is one of their rising stars.
>
> >
> > By the way JC is now PD of BOB-fm. This should get real
> > interesting.
> >
> >
>
> Gee, I wonder if the "powers that be" at any of these OKC
> talkers actually reads this board?
> (Not that it would make any difference.....But I was just
> wondering if they do.)
> >
> >
>
> > > Bottom line:
> > >
> > > Oklahoma City cannot and will not support three
> news-talk
> > > stations. And actually, counting WWLS, OKC has four
> talk
> > > stations.
> > >
> > > Renda obviously did not give KOKC time to develop, but I
>
> > > have my doubts whehter they ever would have been
> > successful.
> > > People seemed satisfied with KTOK. Why is beyond me.
> > > Habit, maybe.
> > >
> > > And it's a shame because Oklahoma City has one of the
> > worst
> > > newspapers in the nation.
> > >
> > > Oh, I doubt hip hop on KOKC would work either.
> > >
> > > Maybe a combination of old doo wop and hip hop
> > >
> > > The format: Hip Hop Doo Wop ... say it fast ... Hip Hop
>
> > Doo
> > > Wop.
> > >
> > > Right on. Right out.
> >
>
LOL! If they do they woudn't likely care to listen. They have a better "plan", of course. (it's worked so great already, hasn't it?) Common knowlege and logic won't guide their programming decisions.. It's today's corporate radio you know!<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
T
THEInsultant
Guest
Re: KOKC goes hip hop
> I have to wade in, being a veteran of that little shack at
> Virgina and Main.
>
> What made KTOK great was it's news department, weather
> coverage and all the personalities that went along with it.
>
> The payroll was big, the commitment to doing the job right
> was there and KTOK to this day benefits from all that hard
> work done in the 1960's and 70's.
>
> Local talk did not come along at KTOK until long after the
> station had already established itself as a news leader and
> even after the talk started, it was still music during the
> day and talk at night.
>
> KOMA-am started out right. The problem is what it always is
> with current day radio, no guts at the corporate level, just
> the greed that makes the world go round these days.
>
> WKY has the local talk and no news, KOKC has neither.
>
> KTOK's product has been sub-standard for years but it hasn't
> mattered because no one has had the b---s to stick with it.
Amen!
>
>
> KOA is the perfect model, interesting fact..a former KOMA
> news guy works there now and is one of their rising stars.
>
> By the way JC is now PD of BOB-fm. This should get real
> interesting.
He that builds up surely knows how to tear down. Pucker-time at 1077.
>
>
>
>
> > Bottom line:
> >
> > Oklahoma City cannot and will not support three news-talk
> > stations. And actually, counting WWLS, OKC has four talk
> > stations.
Exactly.. Don't forget the 1340 deal too. Oversatuation of talk to say the least!
> >
> > Renda obviously did not give KOKC time to develop, but I
> > have my doubts whehter they ever would have been
> successful.
> > People seemed satisfied with KTOK. Why is beyond me.
> > Habit, maybe.
No reason to switch.. plain and simple. There's only room for one, so the only way to be the one is to be substancially better.
> >
> > And it's a shame because Oklahoma City has one of the
> worst
> > newspapers in the nation.
Voted worst by it's own peers in the press! And, don't forget their rates are major-market!
> >
> > Oh, I doubt hip hop on KOKC would work either.
> >
> > Maybe a combination of old doo wop and hip hop
> >
> > The format: Hip Hop Doo Wop ... say it fast ... Hip Hop
> Doo
> > Wop.
> >
> > Right on. Right out.
>
Real Oldies, Real Country (true classic country), regional Mexican, etc. etc. All would work to some level better than what is there now.<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
> I have to wade in, being a veteran of that little shack at
> Virgina and Main.
>
> What made KTOK great was it's news department, weather
> coverage and all the personalities that went along with it.
>
> The payroll was big, the commitment to doing the job right
> was there and KTOK to this day benefits from all that hard
> work done in the 1960's and 70's.
>
> Local talk did not come along at KTOK until long after the
> station had already established itself as a news leader and
> even after the talk started, it was still music during the
> day and talk at night.
>
> KOMA-am started out right. The problem is what it always is
> with current day radio, no guts at the corporate level, just
> the greed that makes the world go round these days.
>
> WKY has the local talk and no news, KOKC has neither.
>
> KTOK's product has been sub-standard for years but it hasn't
> mattered because no one has had the b---s to stick with it.
Amen!
>
>
> KOA is the perfect model, interesting fact..a former KOMA
> news guy works there now and is one of their rising stars.
>
> By the way JC is now PD of BOB-fm. This should get real
> interesting.
He that builds up surely knows how to tear down. Pucker-time at 1077.
>
>
>
>
> > Bottom line:
> >
> > Oklahoma City cannot and will not support three news-talk
> > stations. And actually, counting WWLS, OKC has four talk
> > stations.
Exactly.. Don't forget the 1340 deal too. Oversatuation of talk to say the least!
> >
> > Renda obviously did not give KOKC time to develop, but I
> > have my doubts whehter they ever would have been
> successful.
> > People seemed satisfied with KTOK. Why is beyond me.
> > Habit, maybe.
No reason to switch.. plain and simple. There's only room for one, so the only way to be the one is to be substancially better.
> >
> > And it's a shame because Oklahoma City has one of the
> worst
> > newspapers in the nation.
Voted worst by it's own peers in the press! And, don't forget their rates are major-market!
> >
> > Oh, I doubt hip hop on KOKC would work either.
> >
> > Maybe a combination of old doo wop and hip hop
> >
> > The format: Hip Hop Doo Wop ... say it fast ... Hip Hop
> Doo
> > Wop.
> >
> > Right on. Right out.
>
Real Oldies, Real Country (true classic country), regional Mexican, etc. etc. All would work to some level better than what is there now.<P ID="signature">______________
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