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Lawrence Welk Is Still On: I Don't Get It

anotherguy said:
WKNO PBS 10 in Memphis carries Welk, and they also carry Classic Gospel (Gaither reunion videos), which would also probably qualify for the same older demos on Saturday nights. As for other shows from the 50's and 60's, during the 90's they had a show called TV to Remember that carried older shows like Jack Benny, Burns and Allen, and You Bet Your Life, a lot of which are the same ones on PD DVDs now. They also had The Twilight Zone in the late 90's until Sci-Fi got exclusive rights for a few years in the early 2000's.

Later in the mid-2000's WKNO went through a season where they tried to carry more classic TV and brought back TZ and Mission Impossible, and also Matlock and Little House on the Prairie. (Newer shows, but still probably going for the older demo.) They also had movies that would normally have been on TCM on Friday and Saturday nights. Although they were mostly older shows, they were ones that would have also pulled in some younger viewers as well. This only lasted one season though. I don't know if they didn't pull in enough pledges so they were dropped, or if major donors that were TV snobs put pressure on them to take it off, but they haven't done anything more like that since.

ag, come to think of it, I spent my collegiate years in Memphis and watched WKNO quite often. This was between '88 and '91, and even then, the station was experimenting with commercial TV reruns, such as "St. Elsewhere" on Sunday nights for a spell. If I'm not mistaken, I remember even a first-run syndie commercial show, "Fight Back With David Horowitz," hosted by the L.A.-based consumer advocate that apparently the other stations in town wouldn't touch, probably out of fear of offending potential advertisers (pretty much de rigeur for yet another conservative Southern market). The show aired on Saturday evenings, and one night, I remember distinctly seeing the fee plugs at the end of the program, which apparently the VTR/control room crew had forgotten to edit out or cover up! I thought, "hey, this isn't a PBS show. That's not supposed to happen." And I was right. Turns out, apparently somebody else saw it and complained to station management, because when I tuned in again next week, the plugs had been noticeably cut out, going straight from Horowitz's good-bye to the end credits, with a giveaway break in the music. Of course, the difference here was that station management thought the show was a true public service and not, as the syndicators intended, mere entertainment.

As for your diagnosis about why WKNO didn't continue the one-season experiment, I think both your speculations are correct. The two do not in any way necessarily exclude each other. Obviously, the classic shows didn't bring in the pledge money anticipated, like they might have 10 or so years earlier during the original Nick at Nite/TV Land retro craze. However, I am sure they did bring enough complaints and threats from big or influential donors, for the very reasons I stated in an earlier post on this thread. Namely, "if you're going to fill the sked with old junk like that, why should I/we give money to you? This station is supposed to be about serious public affairs, arts, culture, and children's education. Seems like it's getting too far away from its original purpose. Public tax money and private philanthropy should not be used for things that the private sector (read: cable) can provide just as well, if not better." These days, forget about OTA stations of any kind doing that stuff, with Netflix and YouTube. Things have changed so drastically in the eight years since then.

The NPR ruckuses a year or so ago has already damaged pubcasters' reputations with many Americans; risky stunts like this would just be adding fuel to the fire, IMO, without guaranteeing any appreciable financial return. Of course, you can bet that in some places, some PDs/managers are so insulated from public opinion by bureaucratic, civil-service-like protection that they don't give a you-know-what. That's probably the case with WKNO, being licensed to a community NGO instead of a governmental agency (always has been), so that station certainly doesn't feel the kinds of pressure that, say, their neighbors in Arkansas and Mississippi, both statewide networks funded by state government, would. He who holdeth the purse strings holdeth the throne.

I think the fact that PBS has survived up to this point, despite all the bad management and the nearly-lethal competition from 5,000 channels and new media, is nothing short of a miracle, or pestilence, depending on your point of view.
 
It's easy to forget that PBS does not produce any original programming (NPR does but not PBS). It distributes shows produced by others. Welk, as mentioned, comes from Oklahoma Educational Television. Major producers are WGBH, which also owns PRI, and WNET, the remnant of PBS' predecessor, among other stations and production companies.

PBS is more like a syndicator than an actual network. Stations take what they want, when they want it and they run shows whenever they want. PBS has a "suggested" broadcast schedule but stations run shows (or don't run them) whenever they want.

Stations pay for the right to carry shows. That's where PBS gets its money. It's sort of a wholesaler of programming, a middleman. As long as somebody is producing show and stations need to fill airtime, PBS has a future. If stations want schlock, PBS provides it. If stations want class, PBS provides it.

Public television came into being in a world of three networks (and many markets had gotten second or third stations recently), plus maybe an independent in larger markets. Cable was limited to areas with poor reception and did not provide programming of its own. Successful public TV programs morphed into commercial television programs or whole cable channels (i.e., the first public television program, PBL, was the inspiration for 60 Minutes). So, with all the high-brow, middle-brow and low-brow choices available, why do we still need public television? It seems that like any institution and bureaucracy it exists only for its own perpetuation.
 
FredLeonard said:
So, with all the high-brow, middle-brow and low-brow choices available, why do we still need public television? It seems that like any institution and bureaucracy it exists only for its own perpetuation.

For one thing, The History Channel seems to be only mildly interested in showing any historically-themed shows and more big on reality garbage; the "music" channels dont even show any (or only a microscopic amount) of music; what used to be the Arts & Entertainment network likes to show hours upon hours of CSI: Miami reruns; "news" channels either have a political agenda, or like MSNBC, are content to show prison documentaries all weekend long.
 
Moving back towards the topic, Welk and his mannerisms were apparently such an institution by 1962 that one episode of The Jetsons featured a bandleader named Starrence Welkum (his musicians resembled so many Rockem Sockem Robots).

Welk on ABC was a semistaple in my parents household (at least my vague memories hold such). And they both turned 30 (and I, their only child, 6) during the Summer of Luh, er, summer of 1967 (they were HS classmates). During the summer of '68 they got divorced.

Someone mentioned "One Toke...", "I Write the Songs", et al being performed on Welk. I'm suprised no one has mentioned "Music to Watch Girls Go By". :)

ixnay
 
ixnay said:
Moving back towards the topic, Welk and his mannerisms were apparently such an institution...

A NFL general manager once referred to the compensation in a potential trade for one of his players as a "Lawrence Welk deal": a one and a two and a three (as in draft picks)--a nod to Welk getting the music started.
 
pgtcf7806 said:
I would say that "The Lawrence Welk Show" received by far its highest ratings during its syndicated years (1971-82), much like "Hee Haw" did during roughly the same era. In fact, when LW did go off the air in '82, it was still drawing ratings high enough that today such a ratings share would represent "Judge Judy" or "Wheel of Fortune" numbers. The audience was there for the show to continue for another 4 or 5 years had Welk chosen to do so; he ended it on his own terms when he was ready to end it.

Therefore, if you had young adults, teens, etc. exposed to the show or watching it religiously in 1982, there might well be theoretically big fans of the show that might be only in their late 30's or early 40's. Further, if I am not mistaken these shows were bicycled, thus in a few markets the last new LW's might not have aired until 1984 or 1985. So while the bulk of LW's fans are at least 60 years old now and most likely in their 80's, there is possibly a significant amount of younger viewers that are watching the show. And perhaps people in their teens and 20's have recently discovered LW as an alternative to the musical diarrhea that people like Bruno Mars and Taylor Swift force down the public's throats these days.

In other words, stereotyping the LW fan base as senior citizens at the youngest may be an enormous miscalculation, since I am 35 and enjoy the program on PBS myself. And I'm a conservative too so I'm not the prototypical PBS target audience.

After Welk caught on on PBS, a number of station managers sarcastically asked when PBS was going to start airing "Hee Haw."
And there are a few which have resisted Welk: WNET comes to mind, as well as WETA Washington (although, in the latter case, Maryland Public Television carries him). "Hee Haw," of course, airs on RFD-TV Sunday nights at 8 (ET).
 
bpatrick said:
pgtcf7806 said:
I would say that "The Lawrence Welk Show" received by far its highest ratings during its syndicated years (1971-82), much like "Hee Haw" did during roughly the same era. In fact, when LW did go off the air in '82, it was still drawing ratings high enough that today such a ratings share would represent "Judge Judy" or "Wheel of Fortune" numbers. The audience was there for the show to continue for another 4 or 5 years had Welk chosen to do so; he ended it on his own terms when he was ready to end it.

Therefore, if you had young adults, teens, etc. exposed to the show or watching it religiously in 1982, there might well be theoretically big fans of the show that might be only in their late 30's or early 40's. Further, if I am not mistaken these shows were bicycled, thus in a few markets the last new LW's might not have aired until 1984 or 1985. So while the bulk of LW's fans are at least 60 years old now and most likely in their 80's, there is possibly a significant amount of younger viewers that are watching the show. And perhaps people in their teens and 20's have recently discovered LW as an alternative to the musical diarrhea that people like Bruno Mars and Taylor Swift force down the public's throats these days.

In other words, stereotyping the LW fan base as senior citizens at the youngest may be an enormous miscalculation, since I am 35 and enjoy the program on PBS myself. And I'm a conservative too so I'm not the prototypical PBS target audience.

After Welk caught on on PBS, a number of station managers sarcastically asked when PBS was going to start airing "Hee Haw."
And there are a few which have resisted Welk: WNET comes to mind, as well as WETA Washington (although, in the latter case, Maryland Public Television carries him). "Hee Haw," of course, airs on RFD-TV Sunday nights at 8 (ET).

In the Chicago market, only WYIN airs Lawrence Welk & Hee Haw on some weekends (never during the week, where they have plenty of available PBS programming to fill those slots, as well as local programs). Both WTTW & WYCC refuse to carry both of those programs. WYCC relies on educational & general PBS programming, while WTTW relies on general PBS programming, local programming, & BBC programming. WTTW will air an occasional movie (well known movies) on Saturday night on the main channel, then air the same movie Sunday night on subchannel WTTW Prime. Movies that WYCC airs are around 2am on Saturday & Sunday mornings from the public domain. They used to air movies every night at 2am, until they increased their childrens programming during the week to exceed E/I requirements, & moved college instructional programming to the overnight hours. They did that, in case the supposed E/I programs on Mhz Worldview aren't considered E/I programs by either the FCC, or the federal government.
 
You know guys, I read in one of his books that the musical family threatened to quit when the quality of their performances fell down to unacceptable levels. Lawrence threatened to quit the show and caused a 3 hour epic argument. Later that night, one of the guys who'd been in the meeting called him and said to him, "You're absolutely right, and I for one will try to do a better job from now on." And that kept the family together.
 
I watch it sometimes, much to my mother's disgust :D

I calculated that his primary demographic are people aged 110-130; the secondary demographic are those people aged 90-109, and the tertiary demographic are those people aged 70-89; the quaternary demographic are those people aged 50-69 and the quinary demographic are those people aged 30-49 (my group). That being said, I can't imagine who actually donates to PBS to keep it on. KCTS (Seattle) dropped it years ago and I watch it on PBS Detroit.
 
KeithE4 said:
Mark_Giardina said:
We had a running joke in the newsroom: Imitating Welk’s accent a few people would say “ Thank U….Thank U… now da Lennon Sisters will sing I can’t get no satisfaction. ;D

They did an "interesting" version of Brewer & Shipley's One Toke Over the Line, thinking it was a gospel song. Apparently, the lyrics were totally lost on Welk. ;D

Toking with Lawrence Welk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3ecDYxOkg
 
visaman said:
KeithE4 said:
Mark_Giardina said:
We had a running joke in the newsroom: Imitating Welk’s accent a few people would say “ Thank U….Thank U… now da Lennon Sisters will sing I can’t get no satisfaction. ;D

They did an "interesting" version of Brewer & Shipley's One Toke Over the Line, thinking it was a gospel song. Apparently, the lyrics were totally lost on Welk. ;D

Toking with Lawrence Welk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3ecDYxOkg

LW probably heard "Sweet Jesus" and said, "Vaht a vunderful religious song" :D
 
BD Sullivan said:
visaman said:
KeithE4 said:
Mark_Giardina said:
We had a running joke in the newsroom: Imitating Welk’s accent a few people would say “ Thank U….Thank U… now da Lennon Sisters will sing I can’t get no satisfaction. ;D

They did an "interesting" version of Brewer & Shipley's One Toke Over the Line, thinking it was a gospel song. Apparently, the lyrics were totally lost on Welk. ;D

Toking with Lawrence Welk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3ecDYxOkg

LW probably heard "Sweet Jesus" and said, "Vaht a vunderful religious song" :D

If Monty Burns on The Simpsons had 1/10th of Welk's piety, he'd've thought the same thing.

ixnay
 
Seems like Robin Williams did a Welk impersonation on his album "Reality...What A Concept". It's probably somewhere in the YouTube bargain basement.
 
BD Sullivan said:
FredLeonard said:
So, with all the high-brow, middle-brow and low-brow choices available, why do we still need public television? It seems that like any institution and bureaucracy it exists only for its own perpetuation.

For one thing, The History Channel seems to be only mildly interested in showing any historically-themed shows and more big on reality garbage; the "music" channels dont even show any (or only a microscopic amount) of music; what used to be the Arts & Entertainment network likes to show hours upon hours of CSI: Miami reruns; "news" channels either have a political agenda, or like MSNBC, are content to show prison documentaries all weekend long.

History Channel lineup for this morning: 3 hours of "American Pickers" :eek:
A&E "Dog the Bounty Hunter"
The 'Learning' ::) Channel "Toddlers n Tiaras/Dance Moms/ad nauseums of toddler children doing exotic dancing in skimpy outfits I wouldn't let my 16 year old go out in

and why oh why does "Animal Planet" insist on various programs with Bigfoot searches and other "monsters" that don't exist in the animal kingdom?

What the what..?? I'd love to compare TV Guide listings from just a few years ago to today.

So far, I've surmised content consists of the "Seven Deadly Sins" and nothing else. And don't tell me about "ratings" baloney- it's nothing to do with it. People will watch anything if you put it on the air, like when TLC (or was it Discovery Health?) aired "Operation" late at night showing actual surgeries. If you told my grampa in the 50s that a show about some guy dressed like what a 9 year old boy's version of a "cool 30 year old" who drove around eating would be a hit he'd call me nuts. How about a show featuring adolescent grownups who collect comic books? How about making an entire show "World's Worst Tattoos" with what may have been a minor attraction on Buzzfeed 10 years ago (Learning channel again).

Call me old and crotchety, but it seems as if you want a show put on the air, it has to pass by Satan for approval first.

back in '03, my celeb "Hollywood big wig" uncle told me "oh, reality shows, they're gonna be BIG. I mean, big, and they're all 'jobbed', too" (for us non-industry people that's slang for scripted, sort of)

if South Korea can air complex math instruction on late night over the air TV and get ratings, so can we. As I said before, ratings have nothing to do with it no matter WHAT someone tells you. The programs go on first, then an arbitrary ratings "system" (nice word for it) goes in later. It's sort of like prison food: if you serve it, they'll eat it all right!

thanks for reading. Now, you kids, get off my lawn! :p
 
"Public television stations continue to run The Lawrence Welk Show. That part I get. The Geezer Demo watches it and they come through at pledge time.

My question is why are geezers watching it in the first place. The original audience for the Lawrence Welk Show was these geezers' grandparents. I can't understand why the grandparents watched back then. Welk played their oldies, standards, music popular when the grandparents were young. But today's geezers back then were watching Bandstand and listening to AM Top 40 radio, especially the frenetic evening jocks."


I'm coming to this thread late, but I agree. I grew up in the 60s and never watched Lawrence Welk. My father - who would be 101 if he were alive today - also never watched Welk, and most of his generation (who came of age during World War II) thought Welk was un-hip.

In fact, MY grandmother (born in the 1880s) wasn't into polka music, but that was definitely the age group that Welk appealed to.
 
Apparently Lawrence tolerated rock and roll to a certain extent.

There are quite a bit of YouTube videos of Welk's performers from 1956 singing "Rock and Roll Waltz", "Tutti Frutti", "See You Later Alligator", among others.

I tried to post some of these on here but they're coming up "not available".

Alice Lon singing "Rock and Roll Waltz"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsTxwRPhymQ

Bob Lido singing "Tutti Frutti"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzpgl7GnlTM

See if these come up for you. If not they're all on YouTube for everyone to see.
 
I also saw a YouTube clip of The Chantays (one hit wonder surf band) doing said one hit "Pipeline" on the Welk show...I'm guessing Welk's music company published the song (Welk Music published a lot of pop-rock and country songs in the 60s and 70s.)
 
bpatrick said:
After Welk caught on on PBS, a number of station managers sarcastically asked when PBS was going to start airing "Hee Haw."
And there are a few which have resisted Welk: WNET comes to mind, as well as WETA Washington (although, in the latter case, Maryland Public Television carries him). "Hee Haw," of course, airs on RFD-TV Sunday nights at 8 (ET).

I was quite serious when I suggested to a PBS executive who came to the station that I worked for that airing "The Three Stooges" during pledge drives would generate a lot of money. He gave me a look like I belonged in a looney-bin.

Not that I watch pledge drives since leaving broadcasting 10 years ago, but I don't believe my former employer carries Larry ( as I call him) Welk anymore.
 
I don't know if Welk's music-publishing business had anything
to do with the Chantays' appearance on his show, but I do know
that both Welk and the Chantays recorded for Dot, as did Pat Boone,
who appeared on the show in 1961 and sang "Moody River." That one's
been shown on PBS and Welk fans still wonder why Mr. Music Maker let
Mr. White Bucks and Milk sing a song about a woman who drowned herself
after being unfaithful to her boyfriend (or was it husband?).
 
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