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Lawyer took off my favorite streaming site

want to bet they were not paying ASCAP/BMI or other fees and they got a cease and desist letter....

Unless there is copyright infringement, non payment of royalty fees, or similar transgressions, nobody is going to pay a lawyer to get involved. Someone is protecting what is theirs, because if they don't vigorously protect their rights and intellectual property it can be claimed to have fallen into the public domain
 
want to bet they were not paying ASCAP/BMI or other fees and they got a cease and desist letter....
This is common, because these royalties are very expensive (relative to the revenue streamers can make).
 
He was broadcasting as a pirate station over the air. That's why
That certainly clears things up. But that shouldn't impact the internet side of his operation, right?
 
They should have stuck with streaming and not done the pirate station.
In the modern day, there is no excuses when the internet is a thing, so agreed there. But, you are also ignoring a rich history of pirate operations before the internet. Still, our 21st century society is given everything they could want and more, so why are we dissatisfied? Perhaps Ukraine can explain?
 
In the modern day, there is no excuses when the internet is a thing, so agreed there. But, you are also ignoring a rich history of pirate operations before the internet. Still, our 21st century society is given everything they could want and more, so why are we dissatisfied? Perhaps Ukraine can explain?
In the Pre-CARP days before 9/11 when streamers were working with the music industry to set fair royalty rates, even I as a Live365 broadcaster at the time could empathize with him & his listeners

But not today in 2022.

He knew the rules & chose to ignore them. Now he has to either pay the piper or shut down
 
Honestly, I think it's dumb that ASCAP/BMI/Sound Exchange, et al. go after hobbyist internet broadcasters. There are WAY larger fish to fry. For the most part, artists benefit from radio play anywhere, whether thats terrestrial or broadcast.
 
Honestly, I think it's dumb that ASCAP/BMI/Sound Exchange, et al. go after hobbyist internet broadcasters. There are WAY larger fish to fry.

"Hobbyist internet broadcasters" pose a threat to big broadcasters. Even the small, seemingly insignificant ones would have the potential to grow into major competitors if allowed to gain a foothold. Big broadcasters would like to stamp out that fire before it has a chance to start.

For the most part, artists benefit from radio play anywhere, whether thats terrestrial or broadcast.

The ASCAP/BMI/Sound Exchange deals were worked out with input from big music and big broadcasting. Indies didn't have a seat at the table. The fee structure makes it prohibitively expensive for small operators to run a profitable internet station. Do you think this was done by accident?
 
Under copyright law, you have to VIGOROUSLY defend your copyrights, you can't let the " oh it is just a little radio station it doesn't matter" mentality sink in.

On a different topic, Artwork and pictures.... there are people who copyright their pictures (it is not hard to do in bulk) and then look for the picture using Google Image search to see if it has been used without permission.

More than one radio station has received a demand letter for big bucks for grabbing a picture off the internet and using it on a website or social media. without obtaining permission.

I copyright every Drone picture I take professionally.

If it is for a non profit I will give the copyright to the group, but the rest I retain.... and I have had my work "stolen" and used without permission

If you own a repair shop for cars, and on your sign you use a Porsche logo to emphasize that you work on that type of car, you will eventually get a letter from Porsche telling you to cut the crap. The rest of the high end auto makers do the same thing.

Beware - Using Online Photos and Videos in Radio and TV Productions and on Websites Can Bring Lawsuits for Copyright Infringement if Rights are Not Secured in Advance

 
"Hobbyist internet broadcasters" pose a threat to big broadcasters. Even the small, seemingly insignificant ones would have the potential to grow into major competitors if allowed to gain a foothold. Big broadcasters would like to stamp out that fire before it has a chance to start.

The ASCAP/BMI/Sound Exchange deals were worked out with input from big music and big broadcasting. Indies didn't have a seat at the table. The fee structure makes it prohibitively expensive for small operators to run a profitable internet station. Do you think this was done by accident?
You only see the business side of it. The reality is that most of these ventures are purely art. Radio is an art form. Mixing in music is a part of that art form. Yes, they are businesses, but primarily to sustain the art, because of the high cost of broadcasting. If you wanted to make real money, you would be looking at something else.

Think of KNX-FM. It is not so much a commercial venture, but an homage to history/a moment in time. It is sad that lovers of the craft are unable to express themselves online without a heavy target on your back from the recording industry.
 
Under copyright law, you have to VIGOROUSLY defend your copyrights, you can't let the " oh it is just a little radio station it doesn't matter" mentality sink in.

On a different topic, Artwork and pictures.... there are people who copyright their pictures (it is not hard to do in bulk) and then look for the picture using Google Image search to see if it has been used without permission.

More than one radio station has received a demand letter for big bucks for grabbing a picture off the internet and using it on a website or social media. without obtaining permission.

I copyright every Drone picture I take professionally.

If it is for a non profit I will give the copyright to the group, but the rest I retain.... and I have had my work "stolen" and used without permission

If you own a repair shop for cars, and on your sign you use a Porsche logo to emphasize that you work on that type of car, you will eventually get a letter from Porsche telling you to cut the crap. The rest of the high end auto makers do the same thing.

Beware - Using Online Photos and Videos in Radio and TV Productions and on Websites Can Bring Lawsuits for Copyright Infringement if Rights are Not Secured in Advance

Going back to 1990, I worked at a radio station that had a "Breeder's Cup", where couples competed to be first with a positive pregnancy test. The real Breeder's Cup was not pleased and sent a C&D.
 
But that could be defended under fair use for Parody purposes, or by saying it was so far outside of the horse racing world use that there is no way it could be confused with the intent of the copyright.

Some C&D letters are just empty threats.

Make part of the prize some cheezy coffee cups with the word BREED on them and it is defiantly parody
 
But that could be defended under fair use for Parody purposes, or by saying it was so far outside of the horse racing world use that there is no way it could be confused with the intent of the copyright.

Some C&D letters are just empty threats.

Make part of the prize some cheezy coffee cups with the word BREED on them and it is defiantly parody
I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but I'm not so sure, but nonetheless, the station wasn't going to court over it. We still did the contest and called it something else
 
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