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Leon's Show

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briancraig

I heard the last ten minutes of Leon Gray's show on 680 this afternoon.

He had a caller who disagreed with him about the war in Iraq.

Leon asked him why the U.S. didn't go after other dictators in the world like China, France and Japan. The caller seemed baffled and said "France and Japan, dictatorships?" Leon said yes, that in his opinion France and Japan were ruled by communist dictators. The caller asked Leon again if he really thought France and Japan were ruled by dictators. Leon repeated that yes in his opinion both France and Japan were communist dictatorships.

Do some on this board really think a talk show host speaking that kind of nonsense is going to be competitive with or actually beat Mike Fleming on WREC?

The problem with 680 has nothing to do with politics. Radio has to be either entertaining or informative. Air America is neither. Show me one market where AA is making any kind of major impact.

Arbitron is the only score card in radio that matters. Just because some people had breakfast with Al Franken or the station is getting some calls does not mean that a lot of people are listening.
 
I listened during that time also and I didn't hear anything like that. I think YOUR problem with 680 has EVERYTHING to do with politics, and to say that AA is neither entertaining or informative is ...well it's just plain stupid. Of course I may just be one of the insignificant small handful of people who feel this way. Let's just wait for the scorecard that matters to show us the tally, and if you are right, I'll just check myself into some kind of 12 step program for liberals, or maybe get a bike with a cardboard sign on it declaring that Jerry Springer is God, and harrass the strolling preachers on Beale Street during Memphis in May, drooling between sips from my brown paper bag which conceals a bottle of Starbucks non-fat de-caf ginger spiced vanilla latte. Then I will trip on my Birkenstocks and fall face down in a puddle of beer, and arise to the epiphany that anyone who opposes the status-Quo is in league with the anti-Christ AND Hillary, and Leon Gray too! I will fall in love with Ann Coulter and watch Fox news every night before I say a prayer for Sean Hannity and go to sleep listening to Michael Savage. Never to listen to that nonsense on 680 ever again. God forsaken left wing whackos. Damn them all. It's Mike for me from here on!! After all NO liberal idiot can argue with HIS logic! Amen.<P ID="signature">______________
Leonard Lawrence</P>
 
>ually beat Mike Fleming on WREC?
>
> The problem with 680 has nothing to do with politics. Radio
> has to be either entertaining or informative. Air America
> is neither. Show me one market where AA is making any kind
> of major impact.


Portland - #1 AM Station
Madison, WI - FM helping capture viewers
San Diego - one of the first successes
Denver - KKZN doing very well

Thats 4.....you should listen more to the programs before making a judgement....be a little open minded....What Leon said may have been in error...im sure he corrected it....or at least i hope so...

AAR offers a variety of hosts and if you take a real gander you might like some of the shows....
 
KPOJ is not the #1 AM station in Portland. Both KEX and KXL have better ratings, although KPOJ is doing well.

WXXM-FM in Madison is doing great. So, Air America is getting outstanding ratings in at least one market.

KLSD in San Diego is similar to the situation at 680. Doing better than it was with standards, but still nothing to brag about. However, the 1360 signal is not all that great considering how spread out the San Diego market is.

KKZN in Denver is doing OK.

I stand by what I said about Leon's moronic statements. This was on his show at exactly 6:50 yesterday.

Memphis is a very different market than Portland, Madison, San Diego or Denver, so I still say the chance of 680 gaining any kind of audience is zero.













> Portland - #1 AM Station
> Madison, WI - FM helping capture viewers
> San Diego - one of the first successes
> Denver - KKZN doing very well
>
> Thats 4.....you should listen more to the programs before
> making a judgement....be a little open minded....What Leon
> said may have been in error...im sure he corrected it....or
> at least i hope so...
>
> AAR offers a variety of hosts and if you take a real gander
> you might like some of the shows....
>
 
Here's what REALLY happened...

Sorry Brian, you are way off! France, China and Japan were actually accused of being dictators at 645pm, that call ended at 650pm, geez, check your facts!!! Oh yeah, and if that is all you picked up on, in that segment, I recommend a healthy dose of Fleming, and Savage immediately! Fleming called for internment camps this week, and Savage has compared liberals to Al Qaeda on numerous occasions, that's entertaining, and informative!

If you really take offense to that notion, and dismiss the credibility of the entire network, based on that, you probably would never get AIR AMERICA anyway. If you didn't catch the real point of that conversation, or even that statement, I recommend you call Leon, and ask him about it. Hell, no one's listening anyway, you'll get right through, right? I did ask him about it, and I got it! But like Curly's "One thing", you'd better ask him yourself.

Remember when you wrote this...

KPOJ is not the #1 AM station in Portland. Both KEX and KXL have better ratings, although KPOJ is doing well.

That's inaccurate, Spring 2005 hit today in the "city of the roses". It seems KPOJ am 620, is a top 5 station,(12+) and just behind KEX, they saw a huge gain, check it out! CFKane
 
If I may, sir, without someone calling me a 'simpleton'...

You wrote:
>
> Leon asked him why the U.S. didn't go after other dictators
> in the world like China, France and Japan. The caller
> seemed baffled and said "France and Japan, dictatorships?"
> Leon said yes, that in his opinion France and Japan were
> ruled by communist dictators. The caller asked Leon again
> if he really thought France and Japan were ruled by
> dictators. Leon repeated that yes in his opinion both
> France and Japan were communist dictatorships.
>
> Do some on this board really think a talk show host speaking
> that kind of nonsense is going to be competitive with or
> actually beat Mike Fleming on WREC?

No, as I said in a previous thread. Reason follows:

>
> The problem with 680 has nothing to do with politics. Radio
> has to be either entertaining or informative.

Correct. The problem with 680 isn't politics, it's perception by those of the political bent exhibited on Air America. Now, I WOULD argue that 680 is very entertaining. I never said I wasn't entertained while listening to Randi Rhodes and her sneering hatred of conservatives... but they are all so smug about it. No, they don't shout, but there's a vile contempt directed at anyone who doesn't share their beliefs.

And, that's the problem in general with today's Democrats & Liberals. There's some warped sense of reality going on in their heads, that by somehow raising all of our taxes, getting rid of Republicans from leadership positions, banishing God from the visible face of our society and making sure they force us to get rid of our SUV's that the world will be a better place - and the rest of us are actually STUPID if we don't see that. And Iraq? Why, if I might be so bold as to ask without offending someone, why the continual attack on anyone who proclaims that we must have victory there as if we're horrible child murderers or something? I never agreed with the notion of going there, I thought there were other things, like actually finding Bin Ladin, that we should have done instead... but we are THERE, so why not come together with a national resolve to support our troops (who are our brothers & sisters and sons & daughters) and wish them a speedy victory in crushing the insurgency no matter what it costs at this point? And STOP this insane Bush bashing in the face of our enemies! Bush will be gone after the next election so why the hell don't the Air America people just leave him the hell alone and do something constructive FOR America???!!!

But it's that little bubble of their own sense of reality that prohibits them from making rational sense in all their shows. And that's the reason that 680 with it's brand of loony leftists really doesn't stand a chance against WREC. The TRUTH hurts, as they are finding out.

Oh, and I must, at this point pause to give a disclaimer that I don't endorse any station, that the ratings will bear out whether I am right or wrong on this, and that the above is simply my own personal opinion as to the programming of the Air America Network and what I've heard on "Progressive Talk 680". Let the West bashing begin.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
C'mon now... that's a bit extreme, don't you think?

You know what? What's missing in all these discussions about 680 is a bit of moderation. A LITTLE bit of liberalism is good for society. It keeps the poor and minorities from being cast out into the darkness. But too much is harmful. But.. and what those who get angry at me for trashing AAR don't understand because they don't listen to me completely is, the RIGHT side of this equation is just as bad. Too much conservatism puts all the money and power with those who already have money and power.

Put in context, what that means to me is, I find the conservative talk on 600 WREC to have hosts who are able to use facts in their program content much better than the alleged 'facts' used by the left on Air America. And, much like with religion, one piece of fact in today's political world is looked at as fiction by the other side.

One thing I've always said, when you mix the two sides together, whatever 'facts' remain standing up to scruitny by both sides, that is where the truth lies. I just think most of what's laid out at 680 is just that... fiction, presented as fact by folks who mostly belong doing stand-up comedy instead of a somewhat believable radio program with credibility. I do news for a living. Trust me when I say most of the things I've heard from Franken, Gerafalo, etc.. are so laughable and unprovable that I wanna throw the radio out the window half the time.

As for Leon Grey, I found him to present valid arguements before he came to 680 and I didn't hear the France dictatorship comments, so I'm of the opinion that someone took the comments out of context.

Now... lastly, lest anyone misunderstand my politics - I don't like the GOP. I hate Democrats, and align myself closer to Libertarians or the Constitution party than anything else. So, maybe some of you will understand what I'm saying with regard to 680's programming.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> Correct. The problem with 680 isn't politics, it's
> perception by those of the political bent exhibited on Air
> America. Now, I WOULD argue that 680 is very entertaining.
> I never said I wasn't entertained while listening to Randi
> Rhodes and her sneering hatred of conservatives... but they
> are all so smug about it.

That smugness, tends to come from those who have an IQ over 80, liberal, or conservative...

No, they don't shout, but there's
> a vile contempt directed at anyone who doesn't share their
> beliefs.
>
> And, that's the problem in general with today's Democrats &
> Liberals. There's some warped sense of reality going on in
> their heads, that by somehow raising all of our taxes,
> getting rid of Republicans from leadership positions,
> banishing God from the visible face of our society and
> making sure they force us to get rid of our SUV's that the
> world will be a better place - and the rest of us are
> actually STUPID if we don't see that.

UMMM, I like you Steve, so I won't tear that paragraph to shreds, with counter examples. Suffice to say, giving a tax cut during war, blatantly lying to the American people, jailing reporters, and Karl Rove still being employed is just STUPID too. Democrats and Republicans are very different, because of a huge dividing rod, called the Bush Administration. That's why there's a BIG line in the sand, just Bush's way of squandering the most unified American resolve in history. His numbers are now officially lower than Watergate Nixon Polls, that's amazing... You almost have to try to do that.

And Iraq? Why, if I
> might be so bold as to ask without offending someone, why
> the continual attack on anyone who proclaims that we must
> have victory there as if we're horrible child murderers or
> something? I never agreed with the notion of going there, I
> thought there were other things, like actually finding Bin
> Ladin, that we should have done instead... but we are THERE,
> so why not come together with a national resolve to support
> our troops (who are our brothers & sisters and sons &
> daughters) and wish them a speedy victory in crushing the
> insurgency no matter what it costs at this point? And STOP
> this insane Bush bashing in the face of our enemies! Bush
> will be gone after the next election so why the hell don't
> the Air America people just leave him the hell alone and do
> something constructive FOR America???!!!

Again, just 9 months ago, I'd agree. However, there is more to supporting troops than just tacking a yellow ribbon to your bumper. We do our military, and our country's good name, a disservice, when we send our troops in harm's way, for no legal reason. We have to argue against this war, it's our DUTY, as a people. Our troops are dying, the situation is far from being "Mission Accomplished", we could salvage Social Security with the billions we have spent on this insane war. The number of insurgent bombings is actually going up, despite having 160,000 troops in Iraq.

More terror is happening worldwide, than was happening before we invaded. This war is putting our men and women in harm's way, based on lies. How is any of that CONSTRUCTIVE? It's my duty to question that. That's what America is really about! We handed Bush the keys to a war, based on uranium and WMD's, he lied, 1778 + Americans are dead because of it. YOu really think I should blindly support that, without question? Is that American? Is that fair to our troops? Steve, buy a copy of "Gunner's Palace", the money goes to the troops, and it's about as unbiased as it gets. A true documentary of troops in Iraq, what they do, and a portrait of the KIDS out of high school, who are risking it all, for this "WAR ON TERROR". Most of America is beginning to figure all this out, finally, myself included.

You are right, we are there now, what do we do NOW? Okay, let's support the troops, by calling for their swift return. Demand truth, while they cannot, and hold this administration accountable, everyday, until all of oour troops are HOME.

Imagine, for ONE minute, that all of this was done by Bill Clinton, you know damn well, his head would have been rolled down the street, if he had done this very thing. We keep giving Bush a hall pass, WHY?

> But it's that little bubble of their own sense of reality
> that prohibits them from making rational sense in all their
> shows. And that's the reason that 680 with it's brand of
> loony leftists really doesn't stand a chance against WREC.
> The TRUTH hurts, as they are finding out.

What truth? Rush, Savage, and Fleming, really talk a lot about truth. Try reading "Lies, and the Lying Liars", read that, and say it again, with a straight face, I dare you... or at least the script for episode III, qoutes like, "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" is more truthful, and less fanatic, than simply parroting the Bush talking points.
>
> Oh, and I must, at this point pause to give a disclaimer
> that I don't endorse any station, that the ratings will bear
> out whether I am right or wrong on this, and that the above
> is simply my own personal opinion as to the programming of
> the Air America Network and what I've heard on "Progressive
> Talk 680". Let the West bashing begin.

Not gonna bash you, this subject goes much better over a pint anyway. Somebody will be buying in July 2006 anyway. Hopefully gas will be under $4.00 a gallon by then, and maybe, we'll have made progress in Iraq, by then. CFKane
>
 
Mooooooo! You two are killing me. I consider myself a fairly conservative person. I guess moderate conservative would be closest. I'm like the wind, man...I don't carry no labels. man.
But...I guess I'm glad that I don't live close enough to hear 680, because if I did I might listen some. I don't listen to the conservative line-up anymore either.
Why don't you two just take it to the local level. Let's just look at some facts, and then I'll butt the HE!! out.

Willie Herenton- democrat/liberal? yes
John Ford- democrat/liberal? yes
Katherine Bowers- democrat/liberal? yes
Harold Ford, Sr.- democrat/liberal? yes (I have some respect for Jr.)
Steve Cohen-democrat/liberal? yes
There are three county commissioners fighting the term limits voted on and passed by the public.(are they democrats?) i think so.
There are people wasting time and money to attempt to change the name of parks because some people find them offensive. are they democrats?
Hell, I bet 75% of those that "may" find it offensive have no idea who Nathan Bedford Forrest was.
I saw a letter in the CA today that caught my attention. It was talking about the real minority in Memphis and Shelby county. If these stats are true, the folks that may be offended are not the minority...they are the majority.
How many republicans or "other" representatives from your area are in all this legal trouble?
If I can't name them, I guess it's because of that super conservative newspaper, the CA...oh, wait? That ain't it.

I say all that to say that there are more pressing political problems in your area than who has more listeners, the conservative or the liberal talk station.

And..you're waiting on the ratings?! HA! What, pray tell, will anyone learn then?
Where those books gonna land?
South Memphis? G'Town? Midtown? Orange Mound?
You're gonna learn SQUAT when the books do come out.
All that matters is "CAn they sell it?"
Wake up! No one really gives a rat's fuzzy what Leon Or Mike say!
It's entertainment, and the only thing that's troubling isthat some people like you two might actually think either of them has any idea what the hell they're talking about.
What do you know about Karl Rove? You know what you've been told.
What do we know about watergate? What we've been told.
What do we know about slavery? what we've been told.
Just 'cause Leon or Mike says it; don't make it so.
And CF...jsut 'cause Al Franken is funny and witty, doesn't mean he's a political expert. I mean, I've seen him do some pretty silly stuff!
Don't you think that maybe some of the "huge turnout" I keep hearing about has something to do with his television and SNL fame? Or, do you think everyone was there because of liberal talk radio?
C'mon Larr!
Peace to all...




> > Correct. The problem with 680 isn't politics, it's
> > perception by those of the political bent exhibited on Air
>
> > America. Now, I WOULD argue that 680 is very
> entertaining.
> > I never said I wasn't entertained while listening to Randi
>
> > Rhodes and her sneering hatred of conservatives... but
> they
> > are all so smug about it.
>
> That smugness, tends to come from those who have an IQ over
> 80, liberal, or conservative...
>
> No, they don't shout, but there's
> > a vile contempt directed at anyone who doesn't share their
>
> > beliefs.
> >
> > And, that's the problem in general with today's Democrats
> &
> > Liberals. There's some warped sense of reality going on
> in
> > their heads, that by somehow raising all of our taxes,
> > getting rid of Republicans from leadership positions,
> > banishing God from the visible face of our society and
> > making sure they force us to get rid of our SUV's that the
>
> > world will be a better place - and the rest of us are
> > actually STUPID if we don't see that.
>
> UMMM, I like you Steve, so I won't tear that paragraph to
> shreds, with counter examples. Suffice to say, giving a tax
> cut during war, blatantly lying to the American people,
> jailing reporters, and Karl Rove still being employed is
> just STUPID too. Democrats and Republicans are very
> different, because of a huge dividing rod, called the Bush
> Administration. That's why there's a BIG line in the sand,
> just Bush's way of squandering the most unified American
> resolve in history. His numbers are now officially lower
> than Watergate Nixon Polls, that's amazing... You almost
> have to try to do that.
>
> And Iraq? Why, if I
> > might be so bold as to ask without offending someone, why
> > the continual attack on anyone who proclaims that we must
> > have victory there as if we're horrible child murderers or
>
> > something? I never agreed with the notion of going there,
> I
> > thought there were other things, like actually finding Bin
>
> > Ladin, that we should have done instead... but we are
> THERE,
> > so why not come together with a national resolve to
> support
> > our troops (who are our brothers & sisters and sons &
> > daughters) and wish them a speedy victory in crushing the
> > insurgency no matter what it costs at this point? And
> STOP
> > this insane Bush bashing in the face of our enemies! Bush
>
> > will be gone after the next election so why the hell don't
>
> > the Air America people just leave him the hell alone and
> do
> > something constructive FOR America???!!!
>
> Again, just 9 months ago, I'd agree. However, there is more
> to supporting troops than just tacking a yellow ribbon to
> your bumper. We do our military, and our country's good
> name, a disservice, when we send our troops in harm's way,
> for no legal reason. We have to argue against this war,
> it's our DUTY, as a people. Our troops are dying, the
> situation is far from being "Mission Accomplished", we could
> salvage Social Security with the billions we have spent on
> this insane war. The number of insurgent bombings is
> actually going up, despite having 160,000 troops in Iraq.
>
> More terror is happening worldwide, than was happening
> before we invaded. This war is putting our men and women in
> harm's way, based on lies. How is any of that CONSTRUCTIVE?
> It's my duty to question that. That's what America is
> really about! We handed Bush the keys to a war, based on
> uranium and WMD's, he lied, 1778 + Americans are dead
> because of it. YOu really think I should blindly support
> that, without question? Is that American? Is that fair to
> our troops? Steve, buy a copy of "Gunner's Palace", the
> money goes to the troops, and it's about as unbiased as it
> gets. A true documentary of troops in Iraq, what they do,
> and a portrait of the KIDS out of high school, who are
> risking it all, for this "WAR ON TERROR". Most of America
> is beginning to figure all this out, finally, myself
> included.
>
> You are right, we are there now, what do we do NOW? Okay,
> let's support the troops, by calling for their swift return.
> Demand truth, while they cannot, and hold this
> administration accountable, everyday, until all of oour
> troops are HOME.
>
> Imagine, for ONE minute, that all of this was done by Bill
> Clinton, you know damn well, his head would have been rolled
> down the street, if he had done this very thing. We keep
> giving Bush a hall pass, WHY?
>
> > But it's that little bubble of their own sense of reality
> > that prohibits them from making rational sense in all
> their
> > shows. And that's the reason that 680 with it's brand of
> > loony leftists really doesn't stand a chance against WREC.
>
> > The TRUTH hurts, as they are finding out.
>
> What truth? Rush, Savage, and Fleming, really talk a lot
> about truth. Try reading "Lies, and the Lying Liars", read
> that, and say it again, with a straight face, I dare you...
> or at least the script for episode III, qoutes like, "Only a
> Sith deals in absolutes" is more truthful, and less fanatic,
> than simply parroting the Bush talking points.
> >
> > Oh, and I must, at this point pause to give a disclaimer
> > that I don't endorse any station, that the ratings will
> bear
> > out whether I am right or wrong on this, and that the
> above
> > is simply my own personal opinion as to the programming of
>
> > the Air America Network and what I've heard on
> "Progressive
> > Talk 680". Let the West bashing begin.
>
> Not gonna bash you, this subject goes much better over a
> pint anyway. Somebody will be buying in July 2006 anyway.
> Hopefully gas will be under $4.00 a gallon by then, and
> maybe, we'll have made progress in Iraq, by then. CFKane
> >
>
 
> Willie Herenton- democrat/liberal? yes
> John Ford- democrat/liberal? yes
> Katherine Bowers- democrat/liberal? yes
> Harold Ford, Sr.- democrat/liberal? yes (I have some respect
> for Jr.)
> Steve Cohen-democrat/liberal? yes
> There are three county commissioners fighting the term
> limits voted on and passed by the public.(are they
> democrats?) i think so.
> There are people wasting time and money to attempt to change
> the name of parks because some people find them offensive.
> are they democrats?
> Hell, I bet 75% of those that "may" find it offensive have
> no idea who Nathan Bedford Forrest was.
> I saw a letter in the CA today that caught my attention. It
> was talking about the real minority in Memphis and Shelby
> county. If these stats are true, the folks that may be
> offended are not the minority...they are the majority.
> How many republicans or "other" representatives from your
> area are in all this legal trouble?
> If I can't name them, I guess it's because of that super
> conservative newspaper, the CA...oh, wait? That ain't it.

I cannot begin on the local level. Most of those names mean nothing to me. Leon can dig the democratic point of view, out of it's gaping hole, no argument here. I don't live in Shelby county, and have no desire to do so. My beef is on the national level, and "cafe press" still hasn't sent my John Ford "Punk'd" shirt yet! LOL


> And CF...jsut 'cause Al Franken is funny and witty, doesn't
> mean he's a political expert. I mean, I've seen him do some
> pretty silly stuff!
> Don't you think that maybe some of the "huge turnout" I keep
> hearing about has something to do with his television and
> SNL fame? Or, do you think everyone was there because of
> liberal talk radio?
> C'mon Larr!

True that, Al Franken's Stuart Smally full length movie is unforgivably bad, for a republican or democrat to endure. However, the book is not silly, and is admitted by the author, to be partly ghostwritten. Having read the book, cover to cover, I know this. I figure it's the least I could do, he autographed it, and was good company when he was here!

I also know, that other than one article in the CA, the only way, Franken Fans knew to go to Barksdale, or NCRM, was by listening to the station, or hearing it from someone who did. But hey, I am just telling you that right? It's not so much that we don't know, just because we are JUST being told, it's who we are told by, that ultimately fleshes it out, and that, my friend, is what AAR vs. conservative talk is all about. It's a consideration of the source, that's in play.

John Ford could claim innocence forever, but videotape, is almost as good as actually being there, when I formed my opinion, which reminds me, my "E-Cycle:Taking out the trash" shirt never arrived. Get with our mutual friend soon, we need to discuss more important things, like "PAR", and the proper use of a 9 nine iron! This conversation, over a cold beverage, won't be based on the ratings of WREC, or WWTQ! CFKane
 
I had a wife once who thought a LITTLE bit of sex was good for our marriage. But too much was harmful. :)
<P ID="signature">______________
Leonard Lawrence</P>
 
I'm all over that.
Golf...Beer...throw in guns and I may just faint!
hahahaha!
-Pgh


Willie Herenton- democrat/liberal? yes
> > John Ford- democrat/liberal? yes
> > Katherine Bowers- democrat/liberal? yes
> > Harold Ford, Sr.- democrat/liberal? yes (I have some
> respect
> > for Jr.)
> > Steve Cohen-democrat/liberal? yes
> > There are three county commissioners fighting the term
> > limits voted on and passed by the public.(are they
> > democrats?) i think so.
> > There are people wasting time and money to attempt to
> change
> > the name of parks because some people find them offensive.
>
> > are they democrats?
> > Hell, I bet 75% of those that "may" find it offensive have
>
> > no idea who Nathan Bedford Forrest was.
> > I saw a letter in the CA today that caught my attention.
> It
> > was talking about the real minority in Memphis and Shelby
> > county. If these stats are true, the folks that may be
> > offended are not the minority...they are the majority.
> > How many republicans or "other" representatives from your
> > area are in all this legal trouble?
> > If I can't name them, I guess it's because of that super
> > conservative newspaper, the CA...oh, wait? That ain't it.
>
> I cannot begin on the local level. Most of those names mean
> nothing to me. Leon can dig the democratic point of view,
> out of it's gaping hole, no argument here. I don't live in
> Shelby county, and have no desire to do so. My beef is on
> the national level, and "cafe press" still hasn't sent my
> John Ford "Punk'd" shirt yet! LOL
>
>
> > And CF...jsut 'cause Al Franken is funny and witty,
> doesn't
> > mean he's a political expert. I mean, I've seen him do
> some
> > pretty silly stuff!
> > Don't you think that maybe some of the "huge turnout" I
> keep
> > hearing about has something to do with his television and
> > SNL fame? Or, do you think everyone was there because of
> > liberal talk radio?
> > C'mon Larr!
>
> True that, Al Franken's Stuart Smally full length movie is
> unforgivably bad, for a republican or democrat to endure.
> However, the book is not silly, and is admitted by the
> author, to be partly ghostwritten. Having read the book,
> cover to cover, I know this. I figure it's the least I
> could do, he autographed it, and was good company when he
> was here!
>
> I also know, that other than one article in the CA, the
> only way, Franken Fans knew to go to Barksdale, or NCRM, was
> by listening to the station, or hearing it from someone who
> did. But hey, I am just telling you that right? It's not
> so much that we don't know, just because we are JUST being
> told, it's who we are told by, that ultimately fleshes it
> out, and that, my friend, is what AAR vs. conservative talk
> is all about. It's a consideration of the source, that's in
> play.
>
> John Ford could claim innocence forever, but videotape, is
> almost as good as actually being there, when I formed my
> opinion, which reminds me, my "E-Cycle:Taking out the trash"
> shirt never arrived. Get with our mutual friend soon, we
> need to discuss more important things, like "PAR", and the
> proper use of a 9 nine iron! This conversation, over a cold
> beverage, won't be based on the ratings of WREC, or WWTQ!
> CFKane
>
 
And STOP
> this insane Bush bashing in the face of our enemies! Bush
> will be gone after the next election so why the hell don't
> the Air America people just leave him the hell alone and do
> something constructive FOR America???!!


Hmmm..I wonder if there were Germans sitting around the table after dinner in 1939 saying..."You know Dieter,..we are already IN Poland..we have to see this thing through ya know?"


Calling for Bush to be held accountable for LYING so that he could go to war in Iraq is not only CONSTRUCTIVE, it is the MOST American thing one can do. It is NOT insane. Insanity is to fall into complacency, or even WORSE to rally around this pointless carnage calling for some kind of UNATTAINABLE victory. Wait a minute...What the hell did that banner hung from that aircraft carrier say? You know, the one that served as a backdrop for that speech Bush made in his flight-suit? MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!?? GOD what unvarnished B.S.!!!!! That would have been like LBJ hanging a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner from the railing at Tahn Son Nhut in 1965 and making the same ridiculous assertions. Aside from the spectacular televised bombing of Baghdad, and the creation of some kind of quasi-anarchy in a country that had NOTHING to do with 911, What "mission" pray tell was accomplished? I love America, and I support our troops. I support them so much that I don't want them blown to bits over a war they are fighting that was based upon LIES. People who make the ULTIMATE sacrifice deserve BETTER than that. When I think of Rumsfeld saying "you go to war with what you have", and juxtapose that statement with 19 and 20 year olds who are sent into the maw of HELL without suffficient armor, I am nauseated. And don't even get me started on the appalling way our veterans are being treated in this country. Men and women maimed fighting for America are facing an increase in their CO-PAY?? We are spending BILLIONS of dollars to fund this INSANE war and our veterans have a CO-PAY??? Jesus. Nearly 1800 dead, not including mercenaries, or those who die from their wounds LATER, after they are removed from battle, and what,..40 THOUSAND or so counted as colatteral damage(does anyone have the ACTUAL body count?) and not ONE WMD. Unless you count Car-bombs. Weapons of MINI destruction that go off every stinking damn DAY over there. The very IDEA that those who would question or demand accountability for this kind of evil are somehow LESS patriotic or LESS American, or even SEDITIOUS is so perverted that to describe it properly would deplete the world of adjectives. There is plenty of treason going on in this country today, and it ain't coming from AAR, or any other liberals.
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Warning: Political rant!

My opinion of 680's future ratings holds, but my dialog with CF was quite tongue in cheek. So if I may be serious on the poltical side for a minute:

If the people in this country would spend half as much time looking for a solution to problems as they do personally attacking each other the world would probably be a better place. That's why I have no patience with the liberals. I would LOVE to see some ideas for solutions, but all I hear on 680 is attacks or satire that, while funny, isn't helping. At least Bush is doing something, even if some think it's the wrong tactic. We went to war based on some bad intel. That's tragic and stupid, but it was the same intel accepted and supported on the record by Hillary, Bill, and tons of other Democrats. Enough already! It was STILL the right thing to do.

There are some people you cannot reason with. Some of them are attacking America and Britain, among other places. Thank God we have a president with some stones.

We need some of that on the local level. Memphis' local political machine buries its collective head in the sand and isn't doing a damn thing to solve this city's problems because it would require admitting a problem exists. and we can't have that, can we?

I happen to know a 12 year old gangbanger wannabe tried to stab a police officer this evening because the officer busted his 11 year old drug dealer friend. The kid was screaming some rap song about 'da pigs'. If it wasn't for some fast reaction and good police training FM 100 would be out on Union Avenue again for another police funeral. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but that sh*t really bothers me...It won't make the news because that or something like it happens every freakin' night in Memphis...but no one seems to give a crap. If the Democrats have all the answers why does Memphis have all these problems? Dems have been in control of the school system and city government for a really long time. Everything should be all rosy by now!

If Leon really wants to make a difference, let's have him dig deep for the corruption and the reasons why the police are told in this city not to 'hassle' the poor downtrodden drug dealers and thugs. But I guarantee that won't happen because no one has the political will or stomach to start looking under rocks around here. I grew up in Memphis, and loved every minute of it. But that was a long time ago. What's happening to this city today makes me ill.

/stress relief
/End of rant




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My rant vs. your rant (With PICS)...

> If the people in this country would spend half as much time
> looking for a solution to problems as they do personally
> attacking each other the world would probably be a better
> place.

> That's why I have no patience with the liberals.

That's why I have no patience with Republicans... too busy making excuses for their leader...
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>I
> would LOVE to see some ideas for solutions, but all I hear
> on 680 is attacks or satire that, while funny, isn't
> helping.

Pandering, and coverups, Leaking CIA names, is better how?

>At least Bush is doing something, even if some
> think it's the wrong tactic.

Most now think it's wrong, cause IT IS!

> We went to war based on some
> bad intel.

We went to war, based on LIES, wrapped in bad intel. Intel designed to acheive it's goal. If you believe it was just bad intel, you are in a serious minority, at this point, look up any poll, except one done by RNC, and you'll see. Nobody's buying it anymore.

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> That's tragic and stupid, but it was the same
> intel accepted and supported on the record by Hillary, Bill,
> and tons of other Democrats.

God forbid, they actually took that intel at face value!!! Trust me, that's not gonna happen again. They actually took the administration at it's word!

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> Enough already! It was STILL
> the right thing to do.

Sure, it's the right thing to do. It would have been, had Bush just said, he was going there to change the face of the middle east. That would have a bit more truthful. The right thing to do is start messing with the real dangers, North Korea, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia. Each of those nations presently, or have in the past, been a REAL threat against America.

Instead, 160,000 troops are in Iraq, a formerly sovereign nation, that presented no threat, and was not linked to Al Qaeda, as we were told it was. Sure, we kicked the crap out of a a**hole dictator. That's pretty cool, and freedom is nice to give to the people, when they want it. That parts cool, but it's not what we sent our troops for, and it's going fairly badly at this point, certainly not a mission near accomplished...

Still, some still think "We'll put a boot in your a**, it's the American way" is logical. Now there are so many real a**es to boot, and all of our Tony Lama ostrich skins are in Iraq!


>
> There are some people you cannot reason with. Some of them
> are attacking America and Britain, among other places. Thank
> God we have a president with some stones.

We have a president with "STONES" all right. Even he said, this kind of war is not "winnable". The "WAR on TERROR", or the "Struggle against Extreme Violence" or whatever neocons are calling it now, is a tough road. Had we actually finished the job in Afghanistan, we could have had, at least a spiritual victory in the middle east. Truth be known, they have been after us for years, and will be for years. Do you really want a "Stones" president with the "Cahones" to tell the guys, strapped with bombs, "Bring it on"? Is that necessary, or smart?

Even I think it's a bit impulsive to ask, "Would the London bombings have occurred, had we not invaded Iraq?", but it's an interesting question. Terror is Terror, and Tony Blair, is doing the right thing. Granted it's easier in a small country, but, he is finding the people responsible, and bringing them to justice, wish we could say the same...

When 9/11 occured, the president had a unified country, he could have literally put down the megaphone, and pee'd on the constitution, and he's still have been above 80 in approval points, the week after the 11th. The problem is, he's now done that. He lied to us, and this war is not only getting worse for our troops, it's making us an easy target, for the real threats.

North Korea, is actually building WMD, we know, but old "Stones" just keeps saying, "Stop, or we'll yell stop again." That's what happens when you have the body of the military stretched thin, in Iraq. That's what happens when you cannot get new recruits into the military, not enough kids out of high school, want to spread democracy, when they see friends getting killed, for essentially nothing.

Are democrats offering up a lot of solutions, you are right, they are not. But republicans aren't either. Why? No real clear solutions exist. It's a large process to fart in Washington D.C. now, much less, solve this. We could maybe start with a true EXIT strategy in Iraq, and start messing with that REAL Axis of Evil. I Think we'll regret it if we don't.

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And as far as local politics, I couldn't agree with you more, sir, you are right. What little I claim to know about Memphis, and it's elected officials, is why I don't pay more attention. The democratic process, is marred here, and it's not helped by scandals. I don't entirely agree with my team, just because, and that's the real solution...

/rant... CFKane<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by CFKane on 07/29/05 01:24 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: My rant vs. your rant (With PICS)...

+Okay, CF. A beer and a healthy discussion are fine.
I feel this is a bit much.
I voted for W. twice myself and I am not thrilled with the way things are.
Thank God Al Gore was not President when 9/11 occurred.
Even YOU have to realize how awful a situation that would have been.
The strategy I woluld like to have seen would have been to give a few day's notice...offer to help those that wanted out of Iraq out, and blown the little POS country off the map.
If their neighbors didn't like it, they'd get their notice shortly thereafter.
The theory is that many times you just can't repair the building. Sometimes you have to demolish it and start all over again.

Of course I'm joshing (mostly) but, as the largest and most powerful democracy in the world, it does fall on us to have certain "police" duties. It has fallen upon us, whether we want it or not.

I have nephews in Iraq and Kuwait, and a couple more that may end up going back.
There is nothing I like about this war or any other. I do feel that once the decision is made to take action, more decisive action should be taken a lot sooner.
I do know that all the liberal drivel is just that. If W. had decided NOT to go to Iraq, the democratic party would be standing in a hard line telling us how awful it was that we didn't go when we should have.
fACT IS, THE DEMS ARE ALL ABOUT OPPOSITION to the status quo. They ARE the asses that spat on vietnam vets upon their return home. Vets that were drafted into service and chose not to take off with the pusses to Canada.

They devised the system for public housing and relief(free food and medical care) so that certain segments of the population could grow up free in "vote farms" they call projects. That's why people like Willie and Marion Berry can get re-elected. Hell. if John Ford hadn't quit or been forced out, they'd continue to to re-elect him being proud that he "stuck it to the man".
Those politicians could care less about their "constituants", they care only about getting re-elected so as to collect more ill-gotten gains. (While not actually having to do anything)

I cannot, and will not respect the democratic party.

By the way...how did we end up in Vietnam?
That's another war that started with one thing in mind and kind of went a different way, wouldn't you say?

As for the political scene in Memphis, hey, it's no skin off my nose. I left that place several years before my job did, and I've never looked back.

I'm far enough away to laugh at all the insanity, yet close enough to the airport and occasional events and happenings I'd like to attend.

Chill out Larry! Don't make me take that long drive to Tipton County.
Turn the damn radio off once in a while and think for yourself.
You are WAY TOO SMART to let Al and Janine and Leon tell you what to think.

By the way...I NEVER watch Hannity or the Fox Newschannel either.(or Rush or Fleming-who's just an ass that happens to be republican.)

I come up with this stuff on my own observations.

C'mon up to Tomato-town, we'll go to the Country Club, have some drinks and shoot a round.

Liberal weenies do play golf...I've seen 'em do it on the TV!

Enjoy this in the spirit in which it was intended...and seriously come on up sometime.

Meep (PGH)





> > If the people in this country would spend half as much
> time
> > looking for a solution to problems as they do personally
> > attacking each other the world would probably be a better
> > place.
>
> > That's why I have no patience with the liberals.
>
> That's why I have no patience with Republicans... too busy
> making excuses for their leader...
>
> >I
> > would LOVE to see some ideas for solutions, but all I hear
>
> > on 680 is attacks or satire that, while funny, isn't
> > helping.
>
> Pandering, and coverups, Leaking CIA names, is better how?
>
> >At least Bush is doing something, even if some
> > think it's the wrong tactic.
>
> Most now think it's wrong, cause IT IS!
>
> > We went to war based on some
> > bad intel.
>
> We went to war, based on LIES, wrapped in bad intel. Intel
> designed to acheive it's goal. If you believe it was just
> bad intel, you are in a serious minority, at this point,
> look up any poll, except one done by RNC, and you'll see.
> Nobody's buying it anymore.
>
>
>
> > That's tragic and stupid, but it was the same
> > intel accepted and supported on the record by Hillary,
> Bill,
> > and tons of other Democrats.
>
> God forbid, they actually took that intel at face value!!!
> Trust me, that's not gonna happen again. They actually took
> the administration at it's word!
>
>
>
> > Enough already! It was STILL
> > the right thing to do.
>
> Sure, it's the right thing to do. It would have been, had
> Bush just said, he was going there to change the face of the
> middle east. That would have a bit more truthful. The
> right thing to do is start messing with the real dangers,
> North Korea, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia. Each of those
> nations presently, or have in the past, been a REAL threat
> against America.
>
> Instead, 160,000 troops are in Iraq, a formerly sovereign
> nation, that presented no threat, and was not linked to Al
> Qaeda, as we were told it was. Sure, we kicked the crap out
> of a a**hole dictator. That's pretty cool, and freedom is
> nice to give to the people, when they want it. That parts
> cool, but it's not what we sent our troops for, and it's
> going fairly badly at this point, certainly not a mission
> near accomplished...
>
> Still, some still think "We'll put a boot in your a**, it's
> the American way" is logical. Now there are so many real
> a**es to boot, and all of our Tony Lama ostrich skins are in
> Iraq!
>
>
> >
> > There are some people you cannot reason with. Some of them
>
> > are attacking America and Britain, among other places.
> Thank
> > God we have a president with some stones.
>
> We have a president with "STONES" all right. Even he said,
> this kind of war is not "winnable". The "WAR on TERROR", or
> the "Struggle against Extreme Violence" or whatever neocons
> are calling it now, is a tough road. Had we actually
> finished the job in Afghanistan, we could have had, at least
> a spiritual victory in the middle east. Truth be known,
> they have been after us for years, and will be for years.
> Do you really want a "Stones" president with the "Cahones"
> to tell the guys, strapped with bombs, "Bring it on"? Is
> that necessary, or smart?
>
> Even I think it's a bit impulsive to ask, "Would the London
> bombings have occurred, had we not invaded Iraq?", but it's
> an interesting question. Terror is Terror, and Tony Blair,
> is doing the right thing. Granted it's easier in a small
> country, but, he is finding the people responsible, and
> bringing them to justice, wish we could say the same...
>
> When 9/11 occured, the president had a unified country, he
> could have literally put down the megaphone, and pee'd on
> the constitution, and he's still have been above 80 in
> approval points, the week after the 11th. The problem is,
> he's now done that. He lied to us, and this war is not only
> getting worse for our troops, it's making us an easy target,
> for the real threats.
>
> North Korea, is actually building WMD, we know, but old
> "Stones" just keeps saying, "Stop, or we'll yell stop
> again." That's what happens when you have the body of the
> military stretched thin, in Iraq. That's what happens when
> you cannot get new recruits into the military, not enough
> kids out of high school, want to spread democracy, when they
> see friends getting killed, for essentially nothing.
>
> Are democrats offering up a lot of solutions, you are right,
> they are not. But republicans aren't either. Why? No real
> clear solutions exist. It's a large process to fart in
> Washington D.C. now, much less, solve this. We could maybe
> start with a true EXIT strategy in Iraq, and start messing
> with that REAL Axis of Evil. I Think we'll regret it if we
> don't.
>
>
>
> And as far as local politics, I couldn't agree with you
> more, sir, you are right. What little I claim to know about
> Memphis, and it's elected officials, is why I don't pay more
> attention. The democratic process, is marred here, and it's
> not helped by scandals. I don't entirely agree with my
> team, just because, and that's the real solution...
>
> /rant... CFKane
>
 
Don't make me come up there!!!

Alright man, I will chill now. All that stuff I said, pretty much sums up why I regret voting for him twice, all of a sudden. That's about what makes me mad. But now I am totally pissed, I have been called a liberal weenie! I am coming to get you, and I am bringing a 12 pack, and some Old titliest with me! Look for my VW bus, covered in "Jerry Springer is GOD" bumper stickers. I will now throw my Birkenstock sandals, and used Starbuck's Recycled cups at you as well! Seriously man, I will take you up on that trip to Tomatoland. Been too long! CFKane
 
Re: Don't make me come up there!!!

There is enough misinformation in the last few posts to start a library. One of my post-radio careers was installing communications gear for a major military contractor. I really HAVE 'been there'. When I collect that Diet Coke next July, I'll fill you in on my experiences over there...the ones that I can at least. Don't run out and change that registration just yet.

Funny, in all the responses to my post no one commented on the kids with knives. I guess it's more important to call our leaders names.

I'm done now. Someone come up with a good radio post so we can get back to having fun.
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Re: Don't make me come up there!!!

>HA! Ha! Allright, then...follow Timmy! Make it a case.


Alright man, I will chill now. All that stuff I said,
> pretty much sums up why I regret voting for him twice, all
> of a sudden. That's about what makes me mad. But now I am
> totally pissed, I have been called a liberal weenie! I am
> coming to get you, and I am bringing a 12 pack, and some Old
> titliest with me! Look for my VW bus, covered in "Jerry
> Springer is GOD" bumper stickers. I will now throw my
> Birkenstock sandals, and used Starbuck's Recycled cups at
> you as well! Seriously man, I will take you up on that trip
> to Tomatoland. Been too long! CFKane
>
 
Re: Don't make me come up there!!!

>Just tryin' to get CF chilled!
Okay..here's a radio post. Somebody started it somewhere, but I never saw any serious responses to it. (including mine)
What are they going to do with PM drive at 98.1?
I was serious in that I didn't mind there being no jocks on...but they do need some traffic reports occasionally.
And..what happened to the two dilholes that were dismissed. I heard one of 'em on a commercial the other day.
I like the Alice Cooper thing (although I've never listened to a great deal of it.)

PS- a 12 year old kid with a knife will be treated by me like a grown man with a knife.
If they livin' the thug life they must prepare to pay the thug price.


There is enough misinformation in the last few posts to
> start a library. One of my post-radio careers was installing
> communications gear for a major military contractor. I
> really HAVE 'been there'. When I collect that Diet Coke next
> July, I'll fill you in on my experiences over there...the
> ones that I can at least. Don't run out and change that
> registration just yet.
>
> Funny, in all the responses to my post no one commented on
> the kids with knives. I guess it's more important to call
> our leaders names.
>
> I'm done now. Someone come up with a good radio post so we
> can get back to having fun.
>
 
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