Let's Make a Monument to Allah

[TheBigA]

Or to summarize: Basic ignorance.

 

[robertsez]

Robertsez,

I'm having a difficult time understanding why, when listening to a Christian radio station, playing Christian music, you could possibly think that they would play a song which glorifies Islam.

Frank,

I'm having a difficult time understanding why a Christian radio station would play non-faith promoting music which is seemingly contradictory to their mission statement to use their ministry to win souls for Christ. But they did. Therefore, nothing surprises me with this organization.

Again, they don't have to answer to me.

 

[robertsez]

Except that they weren't playing Christian Rock. They were playing secular music that had no connection whatsoever with Christianity.

I think what we have here is a manifestation of the anti-Christian rock radio crowd. I have often said that Christian radio is maybe 20 to 30 years behind secular. In the 50's, you had churches and religious leaders denouncing "the devil's music" on top-40 radio. There was a racial component, with black artists being covered by white artists. There were all kinds of objections, mainly due to it being "black music", there were references to Elvis' gyrating hips destroying morality, etc.

I encountered the Christian version of this sort of thing 30 years ago. I recall one Jimmy Swaggart disciple called KSBJ's "Rock of Love" program the "Love of Rock" with a very derogatory implication. The anti-Christian rock radio crowd are smart enough, for the most part, not to be blatant about their racial bigotry, although they slip once in a while. The arguments, if you can call them that go something like this:

- The anapestic beat (short short long) common in the rock style of music is either called African in origin (note the underlying bigotry), voodoo in origin (again racial) or at the very least causes heart attacks because it is unnatural to bodily rhythms. Yes - I've read that on some of their web sites. The truth is that the anapestic beat was discovered hundreds of years ago and is present in some classical music. Hence many rock artists Christian and otherwise remake classical music into hits.

- Supposedly some church in Russia wrote a letter about not corrupting their youth with music that Africans identify with conjuring demons. Yep - I read that, too, on some of the anti-Christian rock websites! Again - the African connection = bigotry against blacks.

- Drums are supposed to be evil by themselves because they are used by Africans to conjure demons. Yep - there we go again with the African connection! The truth is, drums were specified in the book of Psalms as one of the temple instruments. I suppose that was blacks conjuring demons in ancient Jewish temples. This is about how ridiculous some of these people get! Another source even said drums weren't invented until the Africans did to conjure demons. There we go again - racism against blacks! The truth is there are a limited number of ways of making sound, plucking a string, blowing through a reed, or striking a resonating surface - plus the human voice. All present musical instruments except maybe the theremin are variations on these basic inventions - which probably date back tens of thousands of years if not longer.

Here are some of my favorite idiotic statements against Christian rock / Christian rock radio:

- "If I object you can't listen because of the command not to eat meat offered to idols principle" - OK, let's enslave everybody to your personal musical taste.

- "All Christian music should be slow, worshipful, respectful" - OK, tell that to David or better yet Michal.

- "Jesus isn't referred to by name in Christian rock" - neither is he named in many popular hymns.

In retrospect, it now looks to me like my initial assessment that Christian radio is 20 to 30 years behind secular radio is incorrect. It may be more like 50 years behind. And the bias against Christian rock / Christian hip-hop is every bit as racially based as the opposition to secular rock was half a century ago. Bigotry and idiocy is alive and well, as some of the people in this topic opposing NGEN have vividly demonstrated. Well, this 62 year old avid NGEN fan is well prepared to tell the anti-Christian rock / anti-Christian hip-hop crowd into which bodily orifice they can place their objection to the format - along with their bigotry against black music and their illogical arguments. Do not resist God when He is moving in a new direction, and don't mess with believers whose knowledge of scripture is superior to your own, unless you want to get beat up intellectually - because I promise I am equipped with knowledge of God's word and will do it! Long live NGEN, may it lead to many salvations among young people desperately seeking direction for their lives!

 

[TheBigA]

From Wikipedia:

In 1998 the Gospel Music Association published a new definition of gospel music. According to the definition, to be considered eligible for the Dove Awards, gospel music must have lyrics that are:

Substantially based upon historically orthodox Christian truth contained in or derived from the Holy Bible
An expression of worship of God or praise for His works; and /or
Testimony of relationship with God through Christ; and/or
Obviously prompted and informed by a Christian world view.

That last category is the one that's open to interpretation, and how a lot of secular songs have won Dove Awards.

 

[R.D.P.]

Amen! Amen! Amen!

Thank you Mr. Bruce for those insightful words.

We needed them.

Dan <><

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Except that they weren't playing Christian Rock. They were playing secular music that had no connection whatsoever with Christianity.

I agree with you on K-dance. But that is not on the air any more. For whatever reason, they allowed it. I wouldn't have - had I been in charge. Dead issue - the NGEN synchronization problem is the only problem with NGEN today.

 

[FreddyE1977]

Or Steve Miller singing "Big Old Jed Had a Line On".

There used to be an auto dealer here in town called Nick Crivelli Chevrolet.
The owner did his own commercials. He spoke with a VERY heavy Italian accent,
and when he said the name of his dealership it sounded like "Negro Valley Chevrolet".

We used to look at each other and think "where on earth is the Negro Valley?"

 

[davideduardo]

Wrong. Elah is a Babylonian moon god.

I said the word "Allah" is derived from the Aramaic, not a translation of Aramaic. That is, over the centuries, the word transformed to mean in Arabic what in English we refer to as "God".

Anybody translating "God" as "allah" is either mistaken, or has an agenda to confuse people.

Any Arabic to English dictionary, including those online, shows "Allah" to be "God" in English. Just as "Dios" is the word for "God" in Spanish.

I know a Coptic Christian (Egyptian) whose native language is Arabic. She does NOT translate God as allah - she uses the Jewish name for God. Which her church does.

In the Coptic churches I visited in Egypt some 20 years ago, "Allah" was used. Perhaps the usage has changed for the Hebrew YHWH or "Yaweh" subsequently. "Jewish" is not a language.

But if we are offended by the "n" word, the word "allah" becomes more offensive with each terror attack. I don't use it any more than I use the "n" word to describe black people.

There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. They worship a single God of Creation, just as Christians do. A number of them have become crazy, radicalized terrorists, but the number is few relative to the total number of Muslims. It appears that every so often, even the major faiths have splinter groups and we end up with mayhem and destruction such as happened in the crusades.

Both are offensive, as is the suggestion that a Babylonian moon god in any way is my God.

You really do not get the concepts of etymology.

Making an monument to allah, by the way, would be an affront to the Islamic religion. They do not allow physical representation of their god or their prophet. So the song title would make no sense.

You are confusing "monument" with a representation. There are monuments and markers in Islamic nations, but they do not represent people.

 

[Night Hawk]

Well, there is a Yiddish saying that goes like this, "Wisdom can’t be purchased in the market."

 

[Kelly A]

Heard this song at 9:05pm on KXNG 91.7. Isn't Allah the false god that is worshipped by Muslims? Isn't Allah the same deity proclaimed by the hijackers on 9/11, and other Muslim terrorists as they inflict harm on Americans ("Allah Akbar!)?

Your ignorant, xenophobic tenancies are showing in this post.

Allah is Arabic for God whether referring to Islam or Christianity. Allah Akbar is Arabic for 'God Is Great'. A little tip: Just because someone speaks in Arabic language, doesn't mean they are a terrorist.

 

[TheBigA]

Your ignorant, xenophobic tenancies are showing in this post.

There are many variations on prejudice. My favorite comes from Jeff Foxworthy: "I used to say that whenever people heard my Southern accent, they always wanted to deduct 100 IQ points. You don't want to be lying on the operating table about to undergo open heart surgery, and have the doctor come in ready to operate, and say, "How y'all doin?'"

But having worked with lots of minorities, they all have similar stories about people assuming that if you're black, you're going to ask them for money, or if you're Jewish, you're probably cheap, or if you're Irish, you likely drink to excess, and if you're French, you're probably going to make a pass at them. It's all ignorance that comes from a lack of experience outside one's own social circle.

 

[robertsez]

Your ignorant, xenophobic tenancies are showing in this post.

Allah is Arabic for God whether referring to Islam or Christianity. Allah Akbar is Arabic for 'God Is Great'. A little tip: Just because someone speaks in Arabic language, doesn't mean they are a terrorist.

A little tip: the nineteen hijackers on 9/11 proclaimed "Allah Akbar" as they were piloting the four airliners into stationary objects, the couple shouted Allah Akbar as they were murdering dozens of innocent Americans in San Bernardino, Major Hasan shouted "Allah Akbar" as he initiated a murderous rampage at Fort Hood, and a self-proclaimed supporter of ISIS shouted "Allah Akbar" as he killed dozens of homosexuals in Orlando. However, I'm sure they were all justified because their victims were all ignorant xenophobes because they didn't accept the will of the Muslim god, as interpreted by Mohammad.

Here's another hint, since you obviously don't have a clue: there is a difference between the Christian God and the Muslim god. Just ask any of the passengers who were on the four airliners that were hijacked on 9/11.

 

[frankberry]

This thread is turning to pure religion. It's time to put it to bed.