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klifhanger
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The "PR's " from "west side story"
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chico and the man (great morning team)
The "PR's " from "west side story"
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TheLaffer
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bucwhyl said:
What gave you that idea?
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klifhanger
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OLD Gringo...David Eduardo Frankleton Gleason. "Gringo" is offensive as has been pointed out to you by many others on several boards beyond R.I ,yet you continue to use it. "PR" was in the classic play "Westside story" which I am sure you have the original manuscript in your "personal library" Now of course as you have done to many others ,you will dispute that it is offensiive, and once again you would be incorrect,but in your narrow focused world reality is non-existent.
klifhanger said:
"Old Gringo" is the name of a very famous movie. That could hardly be offensive, unless one is an ignorant xenophobe who does not understand other languages and cultures. Al que le caiga el sayo, que se lo ponga.
There are plenty of 50's era movies that refer to Blacks in ways that are no longer appropriate. West Side Story did immense damage to the image of Puerto Ricans in New Yourk.
Calling a person a "PR" today is offensive, just as calling an Italian a "WOP" or a Japanese person a "Jap."
Of course, your justification of "well, I think he is doing it makes it OK for me to do it" is full of holes. You just made a patently offensive use of a definitely offensive term that has NO argument as to different meaning and you are defending it.
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klifhanger
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"west side story" is a very famous movie and "Old Gringo" was not even considered a hit and was offensive to anglos as well. Thus the point of your argument as the ones before you have presented are prefabricated fantasy. Nice try Country Boy.
klifhanger said:
"West Side Story" is a movie (and show) that would not be made today for a variety of reasons. It was among the last of the "blackface" movies (1961) done before the civil rights movement pointed out how laughing at dancing Blacks or Hispanics who killed each other between songs was downright offensive. It was written by people who did not know Puerto Ricans and who apparently never visitied Puerto Rico or the Boricua areas of New York, either.
If you don't belive that, look at they lyrics of "America" which demeans Puerto Rico and paints it as a third-world nation without TV or electricity, where killing and poverty was the rule (none of these were true at the time).
On the other hand, "Old Gringo" was the story of Ambrose Bierce and his "episode" in Mexico during the "Revoclución."
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klifhanger
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His "gringo" is offensive to many anglos and yet he will repudiate that. It is based on a movie that was not one of Gregory Peck's best and regretably it was his last. He (Mr. Peck) even admitted he did not like it,but only performed in it because his friend Henry Fonda asked him. Henry's Daughter had the "rights" and Mr. Fonda was getting very ill due to his bad heart to make another picture with his daughter. There's the history behind that. If you looked at the movie and had read the book "Old Gringo" was looked upon as an old senile white man who was often looked down upon,except for the character played by Jane Fonda. In fact one statement was made by other characters stating "You know how gringos are..stupid thieves who are hopeless". Thus there maybe poetic justice in David's new not so secret nic name,but "gringo" is offensive all the same. He will deny it,because he can never admit to being wrong.
nuff' said.
nuff' said.
klifhanger said:
You are obfuscating. The fact is, "PRs" is a nasty term applied to Puerto Ricans with the same respect as the "n" word is applied to Blacks. And "West side Story" is a film that would never be made today, as it is was fair to pick on cute littl eminority groups in the 50's, but not now.
Instead of an apology for your faux pas, you try to change the subject.
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spinderella
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Just to clarify from dictionary.com
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
gringo
n : a Latin American (disparaging) term for foreigners (especially Americans and Englishmen)
Not taking sides in your pissing match, only pointing out a definition.
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
gringo
n : a Latin American (disparaging) term for foreigners (especially Americans and Englishmen)
Not taking sides in your pissing match, only pointing out a definition.
spinderella said:
With an online dictionary, you definitely get what you pay for.
Gringo comes from the Spanish word "griego" meaning "greek" which term was long used to indicate a foreigner or outsider. In much of Latin America, it means a "norteamericano" or someone from the US & Canada or, alternately, a person with a fair complexion. More generalized, the Oxford American Dictionary says, "any white english speaking person." Unless in negative context, the word itself is neutral.
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klifhanger
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Nope "Old gringo David, I didn't .I explained it and in your true obsession having to get the last word in,you refused to accept. Darn that ruined my day.
klifhanger said:
According to Merriam-Webster, gringo is not always offensive.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/gringo
Main Entry: grin·go
Pronunciation: 'gri[ng]-(")gO
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural gringos
Etymology: Spanish, alteration of griego Greek, stranger, from Latin Graecus Greek
often disparaging : a foreigner in Spain or Latin America especially when of English or American origin; broadly : a non-Hispanic person
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klifhanger
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"According to Merriam-Webster, gringo is not always offensive."
Just mostly,especially how David Countryboy Gleason uses it.
Just mostly,especially how David Countryboy Gleason uses it.
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