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Lew Dickey is too scared to read this!

All Access has a story/interview with Lew Dickey. Managers make the cut to be managers because they always have the right "come-back" answer to any question. There's a hint of truth in the answer, but it's a smoke-screen, for sure.

"... everyone took a one-week unpaid vacation, to save money and help the company meet its bank covenants. Everyone stepped up to plate; our people didn't grouse and complain."

Of course they did it - they didn't want to lose their jobs. And they didn't complain - because they didn't want to lose their jobs. And why were bank covenants necessary? Because someone spent more money than they had.

"Dickey continues to be a strong supporter of corporate radio."

If I were making 7 figures, I'd be a supporter of corporate radio, too!!!

How do you sleep? Lew Dickey, your pathetic. You and the corporate whores you sleep with.
 
Lord help us if Lew Dickey ever ran for public office! We would have one screwed up mess! I put Lew Dickey in the same category with former Tennessee Governor Don Sundquist. A crook! Don't you worry, someday, Mr. Lew will met our maker and pay the price!
 
Just for emphasis, is there anyone out there who's had the unfortunate experience of working for the "dark cloud" who DOESN'T think they're the worst of them all?

There are a couple of local operators who are similarly clueless, but on the grand scale of things, there's been no one worse...ever.

Do you disagree?
 
The FCC seems to be helping Cumulus upgrade there Indiana station by letting the rules slide for them.


MikeStandardsFromIndiana

Re: what is missing from Indy radio
« Reply #53 on: October 30, 2009, 10:45:16 PM »

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1110 am in noblesville signed off the air in the mid 90's if i recall right. thats seems to end up why 93.9 got the original licenses to Noblesville on the FM Band before it moved to fisher when 104.5 moved from Indy to Noblesville. lol funny thing bout fishers allotment for 93.9 will end up going to 95.5 when 93.9 changes its COL to Lawrence. when Terre Haute's 93.9 finally gives up its fight to try to prevent its FCC Mandated move to 93.7. never understood why they are crying about one little channel drop for its station its not like when WYGB in edinburgh had to move from 102.9 to 100.3


ChiefEngineer
Chuck Your Radio Buddy

Re: what is missing from Indy radio
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Quote from: MikeStandardsFromIndiana on October 30, 2009, 10:45:16 PM
1110 am in noblesville signed off the air in the mid 90's if i recall right. thats seems to end up why 93.9 got the original licenses to Noblesville on the FM Band before it moved to fisher when 104.5 moved from Indy to Noblesville. lol funny thing bout fishers allotment for 93.9 will end up going to 95.5 when 93.9 changes its COL to Lawrence. when Terre Haute's 93.9 finally gives up its fight to try to prevent its FCC Mandated move to 93.7. never understood why they are crying about one little channel drop for its station its not like when WYGB in edinburgh had to move from 102.9 to 100.3

The Columbus move involved cash. Terre Haute doesn't. One little channel drop involves a site move and Cumulus hasn't agreed to pay for the move.

Can we move you to a location a mile away and require you to buy a new house? BTW you pay to move.

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MikeStandardsFromIndiana
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Re: what is missing from Indy radio
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Quote from: ChiefEngineer on Yesterday at 08:11:38 PM
Quote from: MikeStandardsFromIndiana on October 30, 2009, 10:45:16 PM
1110 am in noblesville signed off the air in the mid 90's if i recall right. thats seems to end up why 93.9 got the original licenses to Noblesville on the FM Band before it moved to fisher when 104.5 moved from Indy to Noblesville. lol funny thing bout fishers allotment for 93.9 will end up going to 95.5 when 93.9 changes its COL to Lawrence. when Terre Haute's 93.9 finally gives up its fight to try to prevent its FCC Mandated move to 93.7. never understood why they are crying about one little channel drop for its station its not like when WYGB in edinburgh had to move from 102.9 to 100.3


The Columbus move involved cash. Terre Haute doesn't. One little channel drop involves a site move and Cumulus hasn't agreed to pay for the move.

Can we move you to a location a mile away and require you to buy a new house? BTW you pay to move.

According to the info on rec.net and the FCC site info for wpfr current license and its construction permit for the 93.7 move the transmitter site is the same location. so how is that a site move.


ChiefEngineer
Chuck Your Radio Buddy

Re: what is missing from Indy radio
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WPFR also asked to become a Class B. Why should the Indy move in get the Class as opposed to WPFR?

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MikeStandardsFromIndiana
rimember

Re: what is missing from Indy radio
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my guess is when WRWM filed its move in and Upgrade which also consisted of the WQKC 93.7 Seymour move in to louisville and downgrade to class a. WPFR should be lucky Cumulus didnt just outright buy them out too like they did the Seymour station. and I also think the FCC might give the 93.9 CP the class b over a terre haute class b on 93.7 could be due 93.3 WQTY Linton being a Class B1. which would put 2 class b's on 2nd adjacent channels into the same market.

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justalurker
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Re: what is missing from Indy radio
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The station making the petition gets to choose what happens. They write up the scenario (our station to B moving their station to another channel) apply for it and see if the FCC will go along. It isn't the FCC redrawing the map, it is the petitioning station. All the FCC does is agree or deny (with a denial leading to modifications).

If it was WPFR's petition they probably would have asked for the bigger channel for themselves - just liike WRWM did.

It may be possible for WPFR to improve their signal by moving a few miles further out ... that would take more engineering. Engineering that the petitioning station isn't going to do unless it benefits THEM (perhaps by getting consent from the station they are moving instead of having the FCC move them).

The petitioning station is trying to keep the expense of the move down to a minimum. Paying for a new antenna and retuning the transmitter one channel is a minimum. Paying for engineering, a new tower and STLs for a station you don't own isn't something the petitioning station would do unless needed to make the change to their own station. In this case, only the minimum is needed.

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ChiefEngineer
Chuck Your Radio Buddy
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Re: what is missing from Indy radio
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P4RM works like this : 1) Petition then 2) Counter Petitions. The Petitioning station has no preference unless the station they are moving doesn't respond. Ford did.

Paul Ford asked for the B at Terre Haute (Clinton). The B fits there. Conjecture about WQTY is off, I ran the Channel Study.

The other problem is the station here is on 93.9 and after Cumulus bought the station it was being heard in Clinton over WPFR. Did the drive myself to hear it. Remarkable that at that distance it wiped them out. WQTY is not in Terre Haute and you are lucky to hear it there on a car radio. Tower is almost at the Wabash Correctional facility.

Cumulus has an In$ider at the FCC. $ome wonder how they $eem to move all the $tations they do in $pite of the Rules. $ecret clue embedded. Commission $taff are low paid civil $ervant$. The live in a city full of high paid attorney$. Money talks others walk.
 
well I want to be the one guy to say something nice about Lew. He likes blondes and knows how to always come to dinner in any city with at least one with him.
 
ok, i git onetakes point, but signalid why? bring on posts about blondes in Indiana and we will all care...otherwise...

trash lew dickey to his face, like everyone else. ;D
 
Then there was the story a year or so back, when he backed out of marrying his fiance in Atlanta just hours before the wedding. Just couldn't bring himself to go through with it!
 
I not trying to be mean here, but Nashville D.J.'s, Broadcasters, etc. need to not work for Cumulus. Educate the public about what they have done to this markets FM stations. You know, when 97.1 went Classic Rock, why didn't the public go down there in front of the building and protest, like what happen with WSM-AM.

Put pressure on them. 97.1 is the worst Classic Rock station I have ever heard. I don't know half of the songs they are playing. I have listen to a good hour and one-half of their programming. It makes me sick.

Mr. Dickey doesn't care what we say about him on these boards, but I have this gut feeling one day that 97.1 will go back to an Oldies Format. Every market that I've done research on has at least one Oldies station in the market on the FM dial & some of them two, but Nashville has nothing to cater to this displaced audience. Does Dickey think we are just a bunch of stupid country hicks? The FM dial stinks here. I don't see how 96.3 has stayed Jack as long as it has.

Sorry for my rant, but the FM dial has in Nashville has an unbalanced diet of formats!
 
scottwmro said:
Mr. Dickey doesn't care what we say about him on these boards, but I have this gut feeling one day that 97.1 will go back to an Oldies Format. Every market that I've done research on has at least one Oldies station in the market on the FM dial & some of them two, but Nashville has nothing to cater to this displaced audience.

I believe it was either ScottWRMO or Tibbs had some good points in a previous thread about why it may not be a good idea to go with an Oldies format. I think the point was it could not be a money maker. And that may be true. Or maybe Oldies won't be the correct name for the format, i.e. is there such thing as 80's Oldies? No, that would be Classic Hits. But there are lots of people across the age spectrum, not just those who grew up with the music, who can appreciate Martha & The Vandellas (Dancing In The Street) or Lovin' Spoonful (Summer In The City), just to name a couple. But in accordance with scottwmro in this thread, I really believe if an Oldies station is done "right" (and there's the controversial kicker), an Oldies station would do well, if only relatively well, and make a "decent-we can make a profit and still pay our staff above average pay because we're not greedy corporate radio" income. You'd fill an obvious void, make money, and risk having other stations in the market look up to you because you know what it takes to make good radio.
 
beatlenut said:
scottwmro said:
Mr. Dickey doesn't care what we say about him on these boards, but I have this gut feeling one day that 97.1 will go back to an Oldies Format. Every market that I've done research on has at least one Oldies station in the market on the FM dial & some of them two, but Nashville has nothing to cater to this displaced audience.

I believe it was either ScottWRMO or Tibbs had some good points in a previous thread about why it may not be a good idea to go with an Oldies format. I think the point was it could not be a money maker. And that may be true. Or maybe Oldies won't be the correct name for the format, i.e. is there such thing as 80's Oldies? No, that would be Classic Hits. But there are lots of people across the age spectrum, not just those who grew up with the music, who can appreciate Martha & The Vandellas (Dancing In The Street) or Lovin' Spoonful (Summer In The City), just to name a couple. But in accordance with scottwmro in this thread, I really believe if an Oldies station is done "right" (and there's the controversial kicker), an Oldies station would do well, if only relatively well, and make a "decent-we can make a profit and still pay our staff above average pay because we're not greedy corporate radio" income. You'd fill an obvious void, make money, and risk having other stations in the market look up to you because you know what it takes to make good radio.

Beatlenut,

Here are some of my thoughts, right or wrong, and I'm not the smartest person on earth, but here's my two cents worth:

The Oldies format that was removed from 97.1 was doing just fine. In reality, Classic Hits & Oldies, in my opinion are the same thing. Yes on FM, an Oldies format put back on in Nashville would make money. I've done my homework and saw where 96.3 had made some mistakes, and that's why South Central dropped out of the game, as their ratings fell towards the end of them being an Oldies station.

Someone posted what I thought was a ridiculous statement, "It's now up to the AM stations to fill the void of the Oldies Format not being on FM in the Nashville Market". Wrong Answer! AM is in deep trouble, and I know because I'm an AM Broadcaster. My station only has a listenable signal within in the 5 mv/m contour of my station of about 12 miles during the day. Being that WMRO is high up on the dial at 1560, a little tower of 150 feet, only 1,000 watts during the day, that's no good, and it doesn't get out that well. That's all the FCC would give me.

WHIN, also here in Gallatin on 1010, in the middle of the dial, has a much better signal at 5,000 watts during the day, but their "listenable" signal is just around Sumner County and is a much better than WMRO's signal. In addition, during the winter months, both WMRO & WHIN have to drop power at 4:30 PM in the middle of the afternoon during the month upcoming month of December. Right now, we drop power at 4:45 PM for the month of November. This hurts both stations holding any audience outside Gallatin, in addition, both stations are protecting Class A stations in NYC at night, and on 1560, there is a Class B station that comes in on top of WMRO.

AM itself has other problems, hash and noise from stations running IBOC, electrical noise from TVA's, 161 KV towers, PC and Computer interference, along with other man made interference. This is why the NAB has pushed the FCC to allow AM stations to use FM Translators. Heck, if they would give me 100 watts on my tower, in the FM Band, I would gladly turn off my AM and stay on FM, but chances are right now, slim. AM is not going to solve the problem, therefore, they need to forget about AM.

The Nashville Market consists of Davidson County, plus 7 other counties around it. FM is where the Oldies format should be, not on AM. These days, AM is just good enough to serve a smaller, local community like Gallatin, Lebanon, Springfield, etc. Like I said, I've looked into this and there is no reason what so ever that an Oldies format wouldn't make money in this market, on a good, strong FM signal, 24/7. The format has been off the FM Band in Nashville for over 3 years now. There is too much "Classic Rock" being played in this market, and that needs to stop. I'm sick of scaning the dial and hearing "Highway to Hell" by AC/DC! That song should have been banded off the airwaves when it was released!

Doing this format on a strong FM signal is NOT A RISK! It will make money and, I believe it would be welcomed back by not only the 50 + audience, but a younger audience that would give them a chance to hear music that they may not know about. I would like to even see WSM-FM drop that format they are doing and go to an Oldies format the plays more than the typical 400 titles that many Oldies stations stick with. Here's a song that I love to hear and doesn't get played by the Oldies stations much, "Rainy Night in Georgia", by Brook Benton! What a great song!

For the past 3 years, it's been a rainy day and night on the FM dial in Nashville! In my honest opinion, one corporate group has made this mess in this market on FM, and it's not Clear Channel. I think you know whom I talking about.
 
scottwmro said:
For the past 3 years, it's been a rainy day and night on the FM dial in Nashville! In my honest opinion, one corporate group has made this mess in this market on FM, and it's not Clear Channel. I think you know whom I talking about.

I agree with you. Oldies can work and make money. If the Oldies ratings were slipping, it's because whoever was programming it didn't have the feel of the format. Dave LaBrozie had a great sense of the format, and did great things with it. I had KIDS calling me to make requests and dedications when I worked there. That's how I know it crosses all age groups. Their parents listen to it, their kids get a taste of it, and realize how great the music still is today. Not every song from that era can hold up today, but so many do that don't get played because they don't get tested in the audience tests. And who comes up with that list in the first place??? How many strong songs are missed because of these audience tests?
 
beatlenut said:
scottwmro said:
For the past 3 years, it's been a rainy day and night on the FM dial in Nashville! In my honest opinion, one corporate group has made this mess in this market on FM, and it's not Clear Channel. I think you know whom I talking about.

I agree with you. Oldies can work and make money. If the Oldies ratings were slipping, it's because whoever was programming it didn't have the feel of the format. Dave LaBrozie had a great sense of the format, and did great things with it. I had KIDS calling me to make requests and dedications when I worked there. That's how I know it crosses all age groups. Their parents listen to it, their kids get a taste of it, and realize how great the music still is today. Not every song from that era can hold up today, but so many do that don't get played because they don't get tested in the audience tests. And who comes up with that list in the first place??? How many strong songs are missed because of these audience tests?

Many songs are missed in audience test, due to most programmers and consultants have this "play it safe" attitude in mind. There are many songs from even today's era of pop music that is not tested. This problem goes back to the late 60's when program directors took away the freedom of the jocks. Our problem is we think we have to play songs that most likely appeal to all age groups, no matter what. Every person is different and programmers and consultants have not got that through their heads yet in the past 30 or so years.

The reason why WCBS-FM in NYC is not making money, and has lower ratings than their previous "Jack" format is because ad agencies think that NYC is nothing but a big ethnic blog and nobody is listening. That kind of thinking is wrong. What's right is WCBS-FM has many listeners in NYC on their new Oldies format, but the ad agencies make it appear the other way around, causing the station to have a bad cloud over it.

WCBS-FM did right by dropping the "Jack" format, and going back to what they were, but I haven't listen to the station on line yet and I'm wondering if the programmers are screwing something up? The "Jack" format gears to a more "narrow" audience and I've never been that impressed with it, even the one here in Nashville. Rumor was that South Central was taking the "Jack" format off in Knoxville and going back to Oldies. Now that was just a rumor I read only, no official word.
 
Scott; You still don't get it. After at least two years of talking about this subject, you still refuse to understand that the tradional "Oldies" format is not coming back to 97.1 or any other station in Nashville. Radio is a business, and supposed to make money for the owners, much like any other business does. Oldies simply does not make money for it's owners. The demo's are not the desirable demographic the media buyers and agencies are looking for, and most radio sales people are not passionate about the format, and therefore don't understand how to sell it properly.

As for "Classic Hits", as ambiguous as that term is, it could do better, but even though we all like the 70's and 80's, neither of those musical decades had anywhere near the impact on people that the 60's music did. The 70's was a pretty bland decade, and much of the music has been forgotten..same with the 80's. The music of the 60's is now our generations "Music of Your Life" or Adult Standards and will not have much presence in many markets, due to the older demo's this music attracts.
If you want to listen to "Oldies" (another ambiguous format term), may I suggest that you check out Sirius and The 60's On 6.

By the way, 96.3 did not have ratings issues with the Oldies format. It was a sales issue, same with CBS FM and the many others that flipped formats. It was not ratings in most cases..it was lack of sales!!
 
Scott, how badly can the programmers be screwing up CBS-FM?  The station is ranked #2 (6+) in the ratings for the past several months behind WLTW-FM, the usual frontrunner.  Number 2 in a market of 15 million people with dozens of radio stations isn't a bad place to be.  I don't believe that the previous "Jack" format ever attained such a lofty position.

Further, it's fair to assume the station's 25-54 shares are even stronger - probably number one in more than a couple of categories.

It's my understanding that their billing is not what it used to be as an "oldies" station, but with radio revenues down any where from 15-30% across the country - that's likely to be a result of, at least in part, to the "great recession".  There are probably more than a few radio stations today that aren't billing what they did 5-10 years ago.
 
radiodood said:
The 70's was a pretty bland decade, and much of the music has been forgotten...

I object. The 70's has to be the most versitile decade of all. It had THE most variety, and that's why it's so hard to make a format out of it that will work today! I have a wide musical knowledge because when I grew up, you could find The Commodores AND Neil Sedaka AND Waylon Jennings, on one station. There was so much of everything to pick from. The 60's had a wide variety, too, but how many songs hit the Top 40? How many of those songs stand out today? How many can you play and keep an audience? There's no way you can play all of them - it would be worse than JACK!

Listening habits have gotten extremely narrow - that's the reason "American Top 40" isn't as popular as it was long ago. Today’s young adults don't want to hear that variety anymore. And that award goes to Wall Street - the record companies and radio stations (getting back around to Lew Dickey and those like him) find something that sells and they want to shove the same shit down our throats day after day.
 
I noticed the narrowing of songs, consultant tested or whatever, happening big time shortly after 1982 or so. Album rock radio started to become more narrow with each passing day. Over a period of time, I believe all formats eventually became narrowed down to a few hundred tunes pretty much along with the regular rotation of hit songs. I had hopes that the satellite radio and HD programs would shake things up enough to change things back in the direction of the old days. The good ole days of live DJs actually having some input on what was played and actually have some input on comments made about the songs that were played. Just my ole opinion here. 8)
 
Beatlenut;
The 70's music, as much as we all love it, is simply not as memorable as the 60's music is. In the 60's, we had lots of controversy, tragedy, and the rock & roll era hit it's stride when 4 guys from across the pond changed the course of music forever. No decade since has brought us music like that, nor was there so much political strife and racial tension as there was then. The music was a "soundtrack" to what the world was dealing with, and The Beatles personified it and gave us an unchangeable sound.

The 70's was a boring decade. Short of Nixon's resignation, and the disco revolution, that was about it. There are VERY few, I'll bet less than 100 songs from the 70's that stand up TODAY, yet, songs like Hey Jude and Let It Be, continue to be top testers in most music tests.
The 70's had such hearthrobs as The Osmond Brothers, The Carpenters, Barry Mainlow, and The Bee Gees. Granted, Top 40 still featured all styles of music..who could forget such great songs as "Rhinestone Cowboy", Glen Campbell, "Convoy", CW McCall, and "Annies Song" by John Denver!! Not saying all the music was like that, of course, there were some great songs too, but the 70's doesn't offer the same memories that the 60's did. 70's RADIO, is quite another story. The best era for Top 40 radio was in the 1970's.
Disco took over the format in the mid-late 70's, and then came the 80's..which musically was even worse than the 70's.

There have been several 70's only radio stations in the USA over the past 10-15 years..and every one of them failed, or have evolved into some form of Classic Hits. Most "70"s based stations that were briefly successful, leaned on the rock side of the format. They played songs like Hold The Line, Dreams, Take It To The Limit, and other similar songs. No one played Boogie Oogie Oogie or Shake Your Booty.

I like the 70's music too..but it is not and will not be a viable radio format. You will hear some of that music on a Classic Hits type radio station, but it will be mixed in with late 60's and early 80's songs.

As for CBS FM, yes, they have been marginally successful from aratings standpoint..but they are not billing what they did during their heydays. The format is not attractive to national ad buyers and agency types.
 
beatlenut said:
I really believe if an Oldies station is done "right" (and there's the controversial kicker), an Oldies station would do well, if only relatively well, and make a "decent-we can make a profit and still pay our staff above average pay because we're not greedy corporate radio" income.

Based on what facts?

There are only a handful of "oldies" stations that are being done "right," according to the fans. None of them are in markets the size of Nashville. They're all bigger. And even they piss off their fan base from time to time with particular songs or the occasional syndicated show.

The cost of doing a station "right" outweighs the potential profit. It doesn't matter who owns it. The only way to balance cost with revenue is using someone's syndication.
 
radiodood said:
As for CBS FM, yes, they have been marginally successful from aratings standpoint..but they are not billing what they did during their heydays. The format is not attractive to national ad buyers and agency types.

Radiodood, marginally successful? Check the NYC ratings at the top of the page and see my post above.
 
TheBigA said:
Based on what facts? There are only a handful of "oldies" stations that are being done "right," according to the fans. None of them are in markets the size of Nashville. They're all bigger.

The reason of only a handful of Oldies stations being done right and they're all in larger markets than Nashville is because that's where your major talent who understands the Oldies format is found. The younger kids getting into the business don't understand it, nor do they truly know what makes a hit record and keeps it on the radio for 40+ years.

And it's based on me understanding the above mentioned. And no, I'm not going to teach you how to do it. As you said, it would cost too much, and you don't have that kind of money. :D
 
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