Acording to radio-locator.com, when licenses are granted, they are good for 7 years. However, I see several examples of this not being consistant, any idea what's going on? KANY, license granted, March 27, 2008, expires February 1 2014. That's not even 6 years, wouldn't it be March 27, 2015? The license for KXXO expires on the same date and was granted May 8, 1990. Wouldn't they have had to renew in May of last year and the license would expire on May 8, 2018? KNRQ is the same shouldn't their license expire in early 2016? Any idea what's going on here?
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To simplify life for the bureaucrats, and to let them work in manageable workloads, all the licenses in a two or three state area all expire on the same date. If you are granted a license in the middle of one of these periods of licensing, your license will be up for renewal at the same time all of your neighbors are due for renewal. If my understaniding of this situation is correct, then you could have a license expiring two years or three years after being granted.
After you renewal, your NEXT license will then be good for seven years.
After you renewal, your NEXT license will then be good for seven years.
bobdavcav said:
The grant date is not the same as the license term. Licenses in the same state all run with the same dates, but some may be renewed quite quickly, while others may get held up if the process is more tedious, or if the FCC has to ask for some kind of clarification. Thus the grant dates may differ, but the license period is the same.
And, not common today but seen in past decades is the short term renewal... a station was not really doing its best, and the FCC questioned its fitness as a licensee and renewed for less than the full period, requiring new applications more often.
bobdavcav said:
Scott Fybush is the expert on this board, but let me at least open the dialogue...
The grant date is not the same as the license term. Licenses in the same state all run with the same dates, but some may be renewed quite quickly, while others may get held up if the process is more tedious, or if the FCC has to ask for some kind of clarification. Thus the grant dates may differ, but the license period is the same.
And, not common today but seen in past decades is the short term renewal... a station was not really doing its best, and the FCC questioned its fitness as a licensee and renewed for less than the full period, requiring new applications more often.
Some owners, one being Purdue University, sorta forgot to file the renewal application and the license did expire. Had to cover that quickly
No, what happened to Purdue was a computer failure at the FCC during the 2004 renewal period.
I had a partial renewal app. prepared for an Ohio station--had to check with the owner on a point--and when I got back to the CDBS the entire application had vanished. Luckily this was about a week before deadline, I just re-did everything and filed.
From the back and forth filings apparently something similar happened to Purdue. Their app. had been filed--they got a file number from the system--then the FCC's computer crashed, swallowing the app. No-one noticed until several years later, luckily Purdue had preserved that first filing with file number.
Back to the original question. New stations, and ones with substantial, major changes (such as a city of license change) apply for a license "to cover" their construction permit once the new facilities are ready. This license, when granted, will show a grant date that is "out of sync" with the grant dates for other licenses in the same state. It will expire at the same time as the other licenses in that state.
I had a partial renewal app. prepared for an Ohio station--had to check with the owner on a point--and when I got back to the CDBS the entire application had vanished. Luckily this was about a week before deadline, I just re-did everything and filed.
From the back and forth filings apparently something similar happened to Purdue. Their app. had been filed--they got a file number from the system--then the FCC's computer crashed, swallowing the app. No-one noticed until several years later, luckily Purdue had preserved that first filing with file number.
Back to the original question. New stations, and ones with substantial, major changes (such as a city of license change) apply for a license "to cover" their construction permit once the new facilities are ready. This license, when granted, will show a grant date that is "out of sync" with the grant dates for other licenses in the same state. It will expire at the same time as the other licenses in that state.
Assume they are saying their listings reflect the last sweep through the FCC database, e.g.--last update by FCC.
Let's look at mythical station KXXX, with a license last renewed in 2007. Say station KXXX obtains a construction permit to change frequency from 98.3 to 98.1 & increase power to 25 kw from 6 kw at 100 meters AHAAT. Then they build the new facility--FCC grants them the new license reflecting these changed parameters. So KXXX's license now shows a "grant date" of 2012. However, the new license still expires in 2015.
Let's look at mythical station KXXX, with a license last renewed in 2007. Say station KXXX obtains a construction permit to change frequency from 98.3 to 98.1 & increase power to 25 kw from 6 kw at 100 meters AHAAT. Then they build the new facility--FCC grants them the new license reflecting these changed parameters. So KXXX's license now shows a "grant date" of 2012. However, the new license still expires in 2015.
Well your example wasn't that great. Let's say that same fictional station, KXXX, applied for a construction permit in 1995 to increase power from 6 kw at 100 M to 90 kw at 410 M, move its transmitter north, and switch from 98.3 to 98.1. That CP was built and the station applied for a license to cover in the spring of 1998, 3 months before the CP expired. Say that license was granted on May 15, 1998. It would ixpire on February 1, 2000, when it would be renewed, and then again in 2007. This would make sense that the last FCC update would be February 1, 2007. If I were to look at radio-locator today, it should point out the information I did above, and that the license will expire on February 1, 2014. However, it doesn't look like that with KNRQ, it doesn't look like that license has been updated since it was granted in 1992........
bobdavcav said:
You'll have to ask their webfolks...
Looks from here like there has to be a license-to-cover to have an update. I suppose that makes some amount of sense -- as it implies some kind of change has happened to the station -- with a renewal, nothing has changed except the expiration date on the license.
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