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Lid Blown off CChannel's Phoenix Secret

No raging.

Crummey came clean, no one called in about it.

Its a desperate station, KTAR trying to gin up a story because their ratings suck.

Read real discussion about this at the Phoenix page, Oncentral is a shill of KTAR.
 
Sounds like you're a shill of clear channel. THIS IS AWESOME! It's about time word got out and it took the liberal lady the new york times to expose it. When I was in Houston Clear Channel was doing this there a couple years ago. It's a pack of lies. Their news people lie about where they are too. It's bogus and it's time someone blow the lid off it. It has costs all of us jobs as they downsize and fire people and then do the news or talk from somewhere else and lie about where they are.
 
I can tell you first hand that this is true.

I worked as a producer at KFYI in Phoenix when Joe Crummey was hired. There were several of us who went to management and complained. We were told that many stations do it and that there was nothing wrong with it.

When I watched two news production people laid off and the company replace them with people responsible for 15 stations I knew I couldn't deal with it anymore. They are the worst radio company I ever worked for in my career. I am so glad to now work for an independent company. What Clear Channel is doing is lying to the audience. I've got nothing against Crummey. He seemed like a nice guy but the station shouldn't make him act like he's somewhere he's not.
 
Nope, not a shill, I don't even work in Radio.

In fact, I don't listen to Limbaugh or Hannity or Savage (who is on CC in Phoenix)

I listen to a mix, a bit of Ingraham, Medved, Dennis Miller, some Hugh Hewitt, a few local guys, a wonderful local internet radio site (www.radiofreephoenix.com) some O'Reilly, and have a laugh at Art Bell on the weekends. I used to listen to a lot of Hendrie (who is coming back in a slightly different style) and Penn Jillette, but they are off the air now. Now that I have about 5,000 songs on my Ipod, I listen to radio a lot less, or download BBC or Economist podcasts.

But, if you heard the station that is trying to make hay of this situation (KTAR), you'd be bored to tears, its the dullest product out there.
 
I have no problem admiting I work at KTAR, my screenname even said that (oncentral means I work on Central Avenue where KTAR is located in Phoenix). That is part of why I am about talking about this on the Phonenix chat room but I think it should be on this chat room too because it's something that is wrong with talk radio. CChannel is firing people and doing radio the wrong way. They're firing people and cutting jobs. That hurts the whole business. I think it's not right for a station to hire people in other places to do local radio shows. It means fewer jobs.
 
You have no problem admitting it.


Now

Why didn't you say so in your first post?

How would anyone not familiar with PHX know that OnCentral meant that you worked at KTAR? Are you trying to hide like Crummey?

Well, life is hard, people listen to Crummey while KTAR does Ted and Heidi covering the news...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

And KFYI kills KTAR in the daytime ratings.

KTAR programs to the nearly dead, KFYI prefers to program to the living.

Fewer jobs, well, judging from the folk that somehow have shows on KTAR (Gaydos?) there really isn't enough home grown talent in town to do a good show.
 
Well, the ultimate judge is Arbitron. If KFYI continues to win with the best AQH in the desired demos, we'll know how big a deal this really is. I don't think CC is the only company that does this. As to how open and honest a host is about it varies station to staton. For example, CC's MJ Kelli (top rated host for CC's CHR WFLZ in Tampa) began doing, as Todd Schnitt, his real name, an afternoon drive show for N/T WIOD in October 2001. From the start, he was very open as to who he was, what his "other" job was and that he was doing the Miami show from Tampa. He made the point that with the internet, satelite TV, cable news networks, etc, it's not too hard to stay on top of whats happening locally. It didn't hurt that he once worked in South Florida radio and still has family there. I think he'd done well for WIOD. I don't think this is a problem if everyone is honest about it and if it wins in ARBitron.
 
oncentral said:
Great debate raging in Phoenix about whether it's wrong for talk show host to act like he's broadcasting from a city when he's actually somewhere else. Didnt' Jay Severin get in trouble for this? I think it's wrong, but it sure seems to be happening a lot.

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,67210.0.html
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...old news. I did a column about Tony Brown's late '90s show at WLS Chicago -- he did a separate show for WABC New York immediately before the WLS airshift and did both shows from the WABC studios -- for the old RadioDigest.com in 2000. Similarly, Larry Lujack's WUBT Chicago programs mostly originated from a studio in Santa Fe, New Mexico, where Lujack now lives; and Bean Baxter has been doing his KROQ Pasadena morning shift from his home near Seattle for about a decade now. Nobody gave a damn...
 
Music format radio has been voice tracked for some time now. I fail to see where it makes that big a difference where the microphone the host talks into is located. In any case, it's usually some windowless room somewhere. Unless you're doing a show where the host walks around with a remote unit, I don't see where it really matters.

The only exception being if you're the local host that got replaced by a remote or syndicated show. Then it matters to you.
 
I agree that in terms of radio jobs going away this practice sucks, but that's the result of consolidation. I wish radio was like it was 20 or even 30 years ago... Lots of local owners who cared about the product, hired large staffs, covered local news, etc. But those days are largely gone, and not just because companies like Clear Channel are in business. People are getting music, news, sports scores and more off the internet and satellite AT THEIR CONVENIENCE. Radio programmers are going to do what they can to compete with all of that.

Now, having said that, I've told friends of mine about things like Joe Crummey doing a Phoenix show from LA. I've also informed them that their favorite midday jock actually cut voice tracks for his shift a week ago in Dallas even though you hear the show in Phoenix today. My friends are intrigued by that, but no one cares. Their attitude is: "I like it, and I'm going to keep listening to it." So if Crummey can pull this off (and obviously, he has), more power to him. The debate over local vs. syndicated is inside-baseball. The listener could care less; he or she just wants to hear an interesting show.
 
If consolodation never happened, hosts would still be doing shows on the internet from other locations. The owners who were only in radio to do a nice swap-shop show for the people are mostly a myth. Gary Burbank does his WLW show from Florida, and if they did a newspaper article about it, no one would be screaming "What! Burbank's not really in that bank building in Kenwood from 3 to 6! I'm never listening again!" Guys, get real. Maybe it's really Bill gates that needs to be blamed. After all, withoput him, we'd still be playing 45s and getting news from those clickety clackety wire service machines and hanging the stories on nails.
 
this was mentioned on the PHX board month's ago..I think Jim Eason kgo/ksfo was one of the first to broadcast on SF station from Ashville NC...Lee Rojers of ksfo does it now, Bill Handel kfi la said he's moving to Reno
 
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