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Life After "Bob" -- Who Plays Anything?

M

mrpariot

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The certainty of "Flash" moving from 103.9 to 92.1 is assured. So, with "Jack" and "Bob" formats springing up like zits on the radio landscape, who goes there now?

Anyone want to vote on who will get "Jack"-ed next? I'll start the balloting with KHWD "Howard 93.7". Low ratings, a soon to vanish morning show (aside to "Bradacripple" - don't even bother), and Infinity's present obsession with the format would suggest that KHWD would be a prime candidate.

Any thoughts?
 
> The certainty of "Flash" moving from 103.9 to 92.1 is
> assured. So, with "Jack" and "Bob" formats springing up
> like zits on the radio landscape, who goes there now?
>
> Anyone want to vote on who will get "Jack"-ed next? I'll
> start the balloting with KHWD "Howard 93.7". Low ratings, a
> soon to vanish morning show (aside to "Bradacripple" - don't
> even bother), and Infinity's present obsession with the
> format would suggest that KHWD would be a prime candidate.
>
> Any thoughts?
>

Yeah, I can see the busboards now-"The All-New FRED 93-7...we play anything (that's on our 300-song playlist, while making you believe we have a library of 10,000 songs)"
-salesslap
 
and fred norris could do the morning show

and all the stern pics all over the promo vans could be converted to pics of fred norris.
 
Re: and fred norris could do the morning show

'80s is dead. C'mon! We don't need another '80s station if we've got an adult hits station! Leave Howard alone, 'cuz if you dump Howard 93-7, KWOD is still your place for alternative, but you don't wanna hafta hear that AAA lean on KWOD. Maybe KWOD could shift to AAA, leaving Howard as our only alternative station, and could it be 93-7 K-Rock or Live 93-7?
 
More about Bob

> '80s is dead. C'mon! We don't need another '80s station if
> we've got an adult hits station! Leave Howard alone, 'cuz
> if you dump Howard 93-7, KWOD is still your place for
> alternative, but you don't wanna hafta hear that AAA lean on
> KWOD. Maybe KWOD could shift to AAA, leaving Howard as our
> only alternative station, and could it be 93-7 K-Rock or
> Live 93-7?

One of my questions lately has been why it sounds like Bob is way low in the Gain department. Did First really know it wasn't gonna work so they just turned off the ol' optimod and really displayed how poor 92.1's signal is?? I know it sounded much better with previous formats. Now it just gets swallowed up in the radio ick. I'd really hope that if what the speculation is with 103.9 moving Flash 80's to 92.1, they will simulcast for a couple weeks and amp that baby up! That signal has so much more potential of sound quality. Any info on this? Do we think that's what they will do?(simulcast)

-Timmy<P ID="signature">______________
Perfection is overrated...</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by TimmyWA on 07/13/05 11:00 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: More about Bob

> > '80s is dead. C'mon! We don't need another '80s station
> if
> > we've got an adult hits station! Leave Howard alone, 'cuz
>
> > if you dump Howard 93-7, KWOD is still your place for
> > alternative, but you don't wanna hafta hear that AAA lean
> on
> > KWOD. Maybe KWOD could shift to AAA, leaving Howard as
> our
> > only alternative station, and could it be 93-7 K-Rock or
> > Live 93-7?
>
> One of my questions lately has been why it sounds like Bob
> is way low in the Gain department. Did First really know it
> wasn't gonna work so they just turned off the ol' optimod
> and really displayed how poor 92.1's signal is?? I know it
> sounded much better with previous formats. Now it just gets
> swallowed up in the radio ick. I'd really hope that if what
> the speculation is with 103.9 moving Flash 80's to 92.1,
> they will simulcast for a couple weeks and amp that baby up!
> That signal has so much more potential of sound quality. Any
> info on this? Do we think that's what they will
> do?(simulcast)
>
> -Timmy
>
The problem with bob-fm signal is that just like chris kidd said the signal
from their tower is shaded in many areas by obstructions from the terrain. I was up in clearlake oaks the week before last and was receiving bob-fm like a
local signal.

Once upon a time the tower for 92.1 KHTN was located at Fresh Pond, CA. and it covered the valley from highway 20 to the north all the way
south to past stockton, ca on the south. But then the owners mr. smith and mr.
evans decided along with mr. green the radio guy, that the signal in the downtown area of Placerville wasn't good enough so they moved the tower to a
hill near the airport right above the city center. It did improve the signal
downtown but the valley signal was never the same, tisk tisk.....btw there was
a story in the sacramento bee right after the station first signed on about how
well the station covered the valley in fact thats how I first heard placerville
had even been granted a license. It is a shame they can't move it back to the Fresh Pond area again as a class A. Or can they?
 
Re: More about Bob

Allison, et al..

The new CP for BOB shows it at 3000 feet amsl plus, at a full 6,000 watts
from a site just north of hiway 50 at Camino...

It could be better than the 2950 watts at the existing site.. lets hope so..

fmnostatic



> > > '80s is dead. C'mon! We don't need another '80s
> station
> > if
> > > we've got an adult hits station! Leave Howard alone,
> 'cuz
> >
> > > if you dump Howard 93-7, KWOD is still your place for
> > > alternative, but you don't wanna hafta hear that AAA
> lean
> > on
> > > KWOD. Maybe KWOD could shift to AAA, leaving Howard as
> > our
> > > only alternative station, and could it be 93-7 K-Rock or
>
> > > Live 93-7?
> >
> > One of my questions lately has been why it sounds like Bob
>
> > is way low in the Gain department. Did First really know
> it
> > wasn't gonna work so they just turned off the ol' optimod
> > and really displayed how poor 92.1's signal is?? I know it
>
> > sounded much better with previous formats. Now it just
> gets
> > swallowed up in the radio ick. I'd really hope that if
> what
> > the speculation is with 103.9 moving Flash 80's to 92.1,
> > they will simulcast for a couple weeks and amp that baby
> up!
> > That signal has so much more potential of sound quality.
> Any
> > info on this? Do we think that's what they will
> > do?(simulcast)
> >
> > -Timmy
> >
> The problem with bob-fm signal is that just like chris kidd
> said the signal
> from their tower is shaded in many areas by obstructions
> from the terrain. I was up in clearlake oaks the week before
> last and was receiving bob-fm like a
> local signal.
>
> Once upon a time the tower for 92.1 KHTN was located at
> Fresh Pond, CA. and it covered the valley from highway 20 to
> the north all the way
> south to past stockton, ca on the south. But then the owners
> mr. smith and mr.
> evans decided along with mr. green the radio guy, that the
> signal in the downtown area of Placerville wasn't good
> enough so they moved the tower to a
> hill near the airport right above the city center. It did
> improve the signal
> downtown but the valley signal was never the same, tisk
> tisk.....btw there was
> a story in the sacramento bee right after the station first
> signed on about how
> well the station covered the valley in fact thats how I
> first heard placerville
> had even been granted a license. It is a shame they can't
> move it back to the Fresh Pond area again as a class A. Or
> can they?
>
 
Re: More about Bob

> Allison, et al..
>
> The new CP for BOB shows it at 3000 feet amsl plus, at a
> full 6,000 watts
> from a site just north of hiway 50 at Camino...
>
> It could be better than the 2950 watts at the existing
> site.. lets hope so..
>
> fmnostatic
>
>
>
> > > > '80s is dead. C'mon! We don't need another '80s
> > station
> > > if
> > > > we've got an adult hits station! Leave Howard alone,
> > 'cuz
> > >
> > > > if you dump Howard 93-7, KWOD is still your place for
> > > > alternative, but you don't wanna hafta hear that AAA
> > lean
> > > on
> > > > KWOD. Maybe KWOD could shift to AAA, leaving Howard
> as
> > > our
> > > > only alternative station, and could it be 93-7 K-Rock
> or
> >
> > > > Live 93-7?
> > >
> > > One of my questions lately has been why it sounds like
> Bob
> >
> > > is way low in the Gain department. Did First really
> know
> > it
> > > wasn't gonna work so they just turned off the ol'
> optimod
> > > and really displayed how poor 92.1's signal is?? I know
> it
> >
> > > sounded much better with previous formats. Now it just
> > gets
> > > swallowed up in the radio ick. I'd really hope that if
> > what
> > > the speculation is with 103.9 moving Flash 80's to 92.1,
>
> > > they will simulcast for a couple weeks and amp that baby
>
> > up!
> > > That signal has so much more potential of sound quality.
>
> > Any
> > > info on this? Do we think that's what they will
> > > do?(simulcast)
> > >
> > > -Timmy
> > >
> > The problem with bob-fm signal is that just like chris
> kidd
> > said the signal
> > from their tower is shaded in many areas by obstructions
> > from the terrain. I was up in clearlake oaks the week
> before
> > last and was receiving bob-fm like a
> > local signal.
> >
> > Once upon a time the tower for 92.1 KHTN was located at
> > Fresh Pond, CA. and it covered the valley from highway 20
> to
> > the north all the way
> > south to past stockton, ca on the south. But then the
> owners
> > mr. smith and mr.
> > evans decided along with mr. green the radio guy, that the
>
> > signal in the downtown area of Placerville wasn't good
> > enough so they moved the tower to a
> > hill near the airport right above the city center. It did
> > improve the signal
> > downtown but the valley signal was never the same, tisk
> > tisk.....btw there was
> > a story in the sacramento bee right after the station
> first
> > signed on about how
> > well the station covered the valley in fact thats how I
> > first heard placerville
> > had even been granted a license. It is a shame they can't
> > move it back to the Fresh Pond area again as a class A. Or
>
> > can they?
> >
>
That location just north of highway 50 near Camino is really close to Fresh Pond which is south of Highway 50 near Camino but a bit closer to Pollack Pines, but I may be just a bit off on that without a map in front of me. That
location if approved and built will deliever a killer signal that should cover
the valley quite nicely. A great new home for Flash 92.1 for as long as it
takes First Broadcasting to then sell it to Bustos Media for another 23 million. One more spanish signal for Sacramento with an honorable mention for Placerville, CA. once an hour buried in the last stopset of the hour. Whoopie!!!
 
Re: More about Bob

> > Allison, et al..
> >
> > The new CP for BOB shows it at 3000 feet amsl plus, at a
> > full 6,000 watts
> > from a site just north of hiway 50 at Camino...
> >
> > It could be better than the 2950 watts at the existing
> > site.. lets hope so..
> >
> > fmnostatic
Anything would be an improvement. The present site -- which consists of a two-bay antenna secured to a power tower -- has great line of sight...to several groves of trees.

> >
> > > > > '80s is dead. C'mon! We don't need another '80s station if we've got an adult hits station! Leave Howard alone, 'cuz if you dump Howard 93-7, KWOD is still your place for alternative, but you don't wanna hafta hear that AAA lean on KWOD. Maybe KWOD could shift to AAA, leaving Howard as our only alternative station, and could it be 93-7 K-Rock or Live 93-7?

Portions of the preceding were paid for by "The Nation Of KWOD Marks."

Seriously, the days of "K-Rock" or "Live" -- or "Arrow" -- are long gone in Infinity's eyes. They like to strike with "the next big thing" whether it has any staying power or not (remember "The Talk That Rocks"?). "Jack" may not be the best solution, but the early looks suggest it is working in some places.

> > > > One of my questions lately has been why it sounds like Bob is way low in the Gain department. Did First really know it wasn't gonna work so they just turned off the ol' optimod and really displayed how poor 92.1's signal is?? I know it sounded much better with previous formats. Now it just gets
swallowed up in the radio ick. I'd really hope that if what the speculation is with 103.9 moving Flash 80's to 92.1, they will simulcast for a couple weeks and amp that baby up! That signal has so much more potential of sound quality.
Any info on this? Do we think that's what they will do?(simulcast)

The old Optimod -- and there are three in the processing chain -- can't help much when you're not feeding 100% down the ISDN line to the tower. Which KBDB does not. When it was KREL, it was at least louder and cleaner. Now it's flat and underprocessed, if nothing else. One of the Optimod's was harvested out of the air chain and sent to the First station in Spokane.

Keep in mind -- First bought that signal based on projected coverage contours, which showed then-KZSA had a "city-grade" signal across ALL of Sacramento, Placer, Nevada and El Dorado counties. NO ONE from their corporate offices had even bothered to make a full survey of the signal until June of 2004 -- and the results cost some corporate types their jobs.


> > The problem with bob-fm signal is that just like chris kidd said the signal from their tower is shaded in many areas by obstructions from the terrain. I was up in clearlake oaks the week before last and was receiving bob-fm like a local signal. Once upon a time the tower for 92.1 KHTN was located at
Fresh Pond, CA. and it covered the valley from highway 20 to the north all the way south to past stockton, ca on the south. But then the owners mr. smith and mr. evans decided along with mr. green the radio guy, that the signal in the downtown area of Placerville wasn't good enough so they moved the tower to a
hill near the airport right above the city center. It did improve the signal downtown but the valley signal was never the same, tisk tisk.....btw there was
a story in the sacramento bee right after the station first signed on about how
well the station covered the valley in fact thats how I first heard placerville
had even been granted a license. It is a shame they can't move it back to the Fresh Pond area again as a class A. Or can they?

Mr. Green, The Radio Guy, is a very bright guy. He hit what was pitched by First, and is still not happy with the result to this day.


> That location just north of highway 50 near Camino is really
> close to Fresh Pond which is south of Highway 50 near Camino
> but a bit closer to Pollack Pines, but I may be just a bit
> off on that without a map in front of me. That location if approved and built > will deliever a killer signal that should cover the valley quite nicely. A > great new home for Flash 92.1 for as long as it takes First Broadcasting to then sell it to Bustos Media for another 23 million. One more spanish signal for Sacramento with an honorable mention for Placerville, CA. once an hour
buried in the last stopset of the hour. Whoopie!!!

Allisonmarie gets it right more often than most...would not surprise me a bit!
 
Re: More about Bob

> > > > > One of my questions lately has been why it sounds
> like Bob is way low in the Gain department. Did First
> really know it wasn't gonna work so they just turned off the
> ol' optimod and really displayed how poor 92.1's signal is??
> I know it sounded much better with previous formats. Now it
> just gets
> swallowed up in the radio ick. I'd really hope that if what
> the speculation is with 103.9 moving Flash 80's to 92.1,
> they will simulcast for a couple weeks and amp that baby up!
> That signal has so much more potential of sound quality.
> Any info on this? Do we think that's what they will
> do?(simulcast)
>
> The old Optimod -- and there are three in the processing
> chain -- can't help much when you're not feeding 100% down
> the ISDN line to the tower. Which KBDB does not. When it
> was KREL, it was at least louder and cleaner. Now it's flat
> and underprocessed, if nothing else. One of the Optimod's
> was harvested out of the air chain and sent to the First
> station in Spokane.
>
> Keep in mind -- First bought that signal based on projected
> coverage contours, which showed then-KZSA had a "city-grade"
> signal across ALL of Sacramento, Placer, Nevada and El
> Dorado counties. NO ONE from their corporate offices had
> even bothered to make a full survey of the signal until June
> of 2004 -- and the results cost some corporate types their
> jobs.

Ok, but explain the reasoning behind not sending 100% down the pipe? If it's there and you have it waiting to be used???? I'm really ignorant when it comes to the technical aspects of broadcasting. Is it strictly a cost issue, if you only use a portion of the available bandwidth on the ISDN? Even without 1 of 3 processors, there's gotta be more sound to push out! Help me understand, please.

Thanks

-Timmy

PS. I assume that when flash moves to 92.1 that the above corrections or similar ones will be made. Correct?<P ID="signature">______________
Perfection is overrated...</P>
 
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> > The old Optimod -- and there are three in the processing
> > chain -- can't help much when you're not feeding 100% down
> > the ISDN line to the tower. Which KBDB does not. When it
> > was KREL, it was at least louder and cleaner. Now it's
> flat
> > and underprocessed, if nothing else. One of the Optimod's
> > was harvested out of the air chain and sent to the First
> > station in Spokane.
> > Keep in mind -- First bought that signal based on
> projected
> > coverage contours, which showed then-KZSA had a
> "city-grade"
> > signal across ALL of Sacramento, Placer, Nevada and El
> > Dorado counties. NO ONE from their corporate offices had
> > even bothered to make a full survey of the signal until
> June
> > of 2004 -- and the results cost some corporate types their
>
> > jobs.
>
> Ok, but explain the reasoning behind not sending 100% down
> the pipe? If it's there and you have it waiting to be
> used???? I'm really ignorant when it comes to the technical
> aspects of broadcasting. Is it strictly a cost issue, if you
> only use a portion of the available bandwidth on the ISDN?
> Even without 1 of 3 processors, there's gotta be more sound
> to push out! Help me understand, please.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Timmy
>

There's NO explanation for it. You can drive an ISDN as hard as you wish; there's still plenty of headroom on that feed for more output. They're just not pushing as hard, because of the flat processing. And, yes -- they will crank it up if/when Flash moves down to 92.1, by using the full processing presently used to feed KXCL.

> PS. I assume that when flash moves to 92.1 that the above
> corrections or similar ones will be made. Correct?
>
 
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NOW my big question...does anyone really know that First will definately move Flash to 92.1? Or is this infact only a rumor at best?

Bill H.
 
Re: More about Bob err Flash

> NOW my big question...does anyone really know that First
> will definately move Flash to 92.1? Or is this infact only
> a rumor at best?

At this point in time, I'd call it an educated guess.
<P ID="signature">______________


</P>
 
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> > NOW my big question...does anyone really know that First
> > will definately move Flash to 92.1? Or is this infact
> only
> > a rumor at best?
>
> At this point in time, I'd call it an educated guess.
>
Sounds like the switch will be July 28th.

Mention was mad on-air by Keith Brooks in thinly veiled statement a couple of weeks ago... Something to the effect of "... will help to speak Spanish after the 28th."

Plus, on the "Save our Station" Web site, they're taking votes through July 27th as to which format will live... as if they'll leave that up to us uneducated listeners.
 
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