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Lite vs. B98

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Clark2

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The thread below got me to thinking:

Cox dumped Oldies and turned FOX97 into a flanker for KISS. Now, CC has hired the old FOX team...R&S...to do mornings at B's biggest competition, Lite. In addition, Lite seems to have added more Oldies to its playlist, which might attract even more of the old FOX listeners who already liked R&S anyway. And now, Lite seems to be pulling ahead of B98 in the ratings. Wouldn't it be ironic if...by killing the Oldies station...Cox ended up weakening its B98 cash cow?

Make sense, or too far-fetched?
 
> Cox dumped Oldies and turned FOX97 into a flanker for KISS.
> Now, CC has hired the old FOX team...R&S...to do mornings
> at B's biggest competition, Lite. In addition, Lite seems
> to have added more Oldies to its playlist, which might
> attract even more of the old FOX listeners who already liked
> R&S anyway. And now, Lite seems to be pulling ahead of B98
> in the ratings. Wouldn't it be ironic if...by killing the
> Oldies station...Cox ended up weakening its B98 cash cow?
>
The trend does suggest that Randy & Spiff are helping Lite FM. But they couldn't work within B98.5's format. Kelly & Alpha never talk for more than about 15 seconds, and when they do talk, it's usually over music. R&S couldn't do their most entertaining stuff with those constraints. And Bob Neil, CEO of Cox Radio, personally watches over B98.5 and even does their clock, believe it or not. So a different morning show would not be likely to change that.
 
It's the small playlist

> > Cox dumped Oldies and turned FOX97 into a flanker for
> KISS.
> > Now, CC has hired the old FOX team...R&S...to do mornings
>
> > at B's biggest competition, Lite. In addition, Lite
> seems
> > to have added more Oldies to its playlist, which might
> > attract even more of the old FOX listeners who already
> liked
> > R&S anyway. And now, Lite seems to be pulling ahead of
> B98
> > in the ratings. Wouldn't it be ironic if...by killing
> the
> > Oldies station...Cox ended up weakening its B98 cash cow?
>
> >
> The trend does suggest that Randy & Spiff are helping Lite
> FM. But they couldn't work within B98.5's format. Kelly &
> Alpha never talk for more than about 15 seconds, and when
> they do talk, it's usually over music. R&S couldn't do
> their most entertaining stuff with those constraints. And
> Bob Neil, CEO of Cox Radio, personally watches over B98.5
> and even does their clock, believe it or not. So a
> different morning show would not be likely to change that.

B98.5's same 325 song format is killing the station. It was a 300 song format that killed Fox 97. Advertisers and listeners are starting to catch up to this. Listeners are flocking to satellite radio and iPods in droves because of small playlists. The adult hits is a response to this, and it is successful because of its huge playlist. What B98.5 does by playing more music in the morning than many other stations is a start, but if you are playing the same 300 songs ad-nauseum 24/7, it is going to start to affect you. I bet people change the songs on ther iPods every few days, while B98.5 changes its playlist once a year.

But the Cox ACs in other markets appear to be the same way. About 350 songs that loop over and over again. Their philosophy of researching the songs they play is starting to catch up with them. While I am not saying that researching your songs is a bad idea, it's time they try something different.

Here are some ideas for Cox to improve B98.5 and their other AC's (94.9 could use these pointer as well):

1. AC's should have 500-600 song playlists, with at least 100 or so dedicated to songs in the past 5 years or so. THe other 400 should be spread more evenly across the decades.

2. Play new songs as they come into the AC world, adn dont's delay. If the song doesn't perform after a year or two, you can drop it without any problems. Allocate at least 15-20 spaces for newer songs.

3. Add some randomness to your clock. Everyone knows the third song in your song sets are 2000-2003 songs and your sixth song is 2003-Now (except on weekends when it is 2003-Now one hour, and 1970-2000 the next). If someone can describe your clock in detail, you need to add some surprise. However, you still need a clock though to ensure the newer songs and older songs get equal pairing.

4. Giving away cash will NOT solve your ills. $12 million will draw in listeners for a while, but once the contest is over, they will tune out. You have to give your listeners a reason to keep them year around, and not just at peak rating times.

5. Don't be predictable. Be spotenatious every once in a while. Play songs that AC's normally would not play during off-peak hours to keep your listeners around at nights and on weekends.


Cox has the capability to fix their flagship FM before it is too late. If they can jump on the all-80s bandwagon when it is hot, they can fix this problem very quickly as well.
 
Re: It's the small playlist

> B98.5's same 325 song format is killing the station. It was
> a 300 song format that killed Fox 97. Advertisers and
> listeners are starting to catch up to this. Listeners are
> flocking to satellite radio and iPods in droves because of
> small playlists. The adult hits is a response to this, and
> it is successful because of its huge playlist. What B98.5
> does by playing more music in the morning than many other
> stations is a start, but if you are playing the same 300
> songs ad-nauseum 24/7, it is going to start to affect you.

Great post. Everyone talks about how the aging demographics who listen to oldies are killing the format. And that's definitely true. But you have to wonder why oldies stations ratings among those older demographics have been going down. I agree with you that it's burnout. After years of hearing the same 300-400 good-testing songs over and over and over, people have had enough.
 
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> Maybe this is insane , but thats when you pull out the ones that
arent played over and over and over, and throw some in that were one
hit wonders, (Songs that will work, and be a diffrent kind of oldies station)
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I like to hear a mix and I know from interviewing listeners, they want to hear a song they haven't heard in a while on their favorite station. They don't want to hear it again and again (like the old Lake 102 did before their flip). There are so many popular songs from every decade that are over-looked. I know listeners are more likely to stick around if they hear stuff they know, but in some formats listeners want to hear the forgotten classics too! Use national research to shape 75% of your playlist, but not 100%. Use the extra 25% to add something regional and some of those...WOW! I haven't heard that in years! songs. Also a lot of currents in this market aren't current enough for the size of this market too. Atlanta should be a place where you can hear the latest music. I find the stations in the Carolinas will spin the latest music months before Atlanta. Atlanta's currents are more like recurrents in other markets.

An interesting observation from last week. I was listening to 95-5 The Beat Friday for three songs and changed stations to 105-3 The Buzz. I noticed songs on The Buzz playing in the same order I remember hearing them before. I later changed it back to 95-5 to hear the same songs from earlier in the same order again. I guess they are dependent on a large number of listeners tuning in for short periods of time, rather than listeners staying around for a longer period of time? That is a pratice your average radio listener doesn't know about, as they complain and change stations at work or buy their satallite radio. It should be changed.<P ID="signature">______________
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> I like to hear a mix and I know from interviewing listeners,
> they want to hear a song they haven't heard in a while on
> their favorite station. They don't want to hear it again and
> again (like the old Lake 102 did before their flip). There
> are so many popular songs from every decade that are
> over-looked. I know listeners are more likely to stick
> around if they hear stuff they know, but in some formats
> listeners want to hear the forgotten classics too! Use
> national research to shape 75% of your playlist, but not
> 100%. Use the extra 25% to add something regional and some
> of those...WOW! I haven't heard that in years! songs. Also a
> lot of currents in this market aren't current enough for the
> size of this market too. Atlanta should be a place where you
> can hear the latest music. I find the stations in the
> Carolinas will spin the latest music months before Atlanta.
> Atlanta's currents are more like recurrents in other
> markets.
>


It does not surprise me that Atlanta is slow on adding currents. In general, large markets are safer/slower on adding new music than smaller markets. There is more at stake in the majors and no one wants to add stiffs.

As for playing songs you haven't heard in a while. In the AC race this seems to be paying off for WLTM. They have quite a large library including some "oh wows". I think someone on this board once described them as an AC Jack. They are one of the few ACs in the U.S trending up right now as this is considered a weak time of the year for AC.
 
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I'm really impressed with WLTM myself! I can remember a time when I avoided 94.9. Now WLTM is one of my favorites. I've also noticed this station at more places than before. Listeners have noticed! I'm sure they also took some of the oldies audience too, but the music mix is much better. WSB-FM needs to try something new and shake things up. I view WSB-FM as more a follower than a leader. A distant follower I might add. It's time for them to step up with something different no one else is doing in this market. WLTM leans older than before, so WSB-FM could lean younger than they are now? Just some random ideas. I'm sure they are planning a move.<P ID="signature">______________
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