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"Live from the roads of New Castle County..."

Listening to WDEL just now, and I heard Robin Bryson ending his traffic report with that tag.

WDEL/WSTW always makes a point to emphasize the fact that their traffic comes from the roads,
but why beat it home in every report now? I respect the hell out of Robin Bryson, but it just seems
unnecessary, seeing how if anyone listened to that report, they'd easily be able to tell that
the report came from the road.

It just came off as odd to me...opinions?
 
With WDEL emphasisizing being live and local, it goes with that format to let folks know that their traffic reports come live from the roads in New Castle County unlike WJBR's and WILM's that come from a traffic service from out of town. You're right though, Robin goes into more detail than either WJBR's or WILM's traffic reports. It probably would surprise you though that most listeners don't realize the many little things that are happening on air that we radio geeks pick up.
 
I have to admit that's a clunky image liner. The objective, of course, is to try to draw 2 key distinctions from their competitors, 1) they are really on the road and 2) they are really on LOCAL roads. Both are worthy of pushing hard, but I say why not tackle this with recorded image promos that explicity say the other traffic reporters are sitting in an office in another state? And how about positive image promos that stress Robin's experience? An educated guess says he's nearing 1,000,000 miles, if he isn't already past it. How's that for a promotion angle?
 
Let's look at the tag phrases or slogans of some area radio stations.

KYW recently added this tagline toward the end of their reports, "Next report in less than ten minutes." As a listener, I get a clear benefit from knowing this.

WILM started using "Time-saver traffic." It also gives a benefit. Good, maybe not as good as KYW's tag-out.

WDEL "Live from the roads of New Castle County." Just my opinion, but what does this mean to the average listener? Don't all traffic reports come from "the roads"? What does that mean to me? Unlike "time saver" and "in less than ten minutes," the listener has to make a mental jump: Oh, they're on the roads, that means the other guys aren't, and therefore their traffic reports are better. Too much to think about.

Here's an alternate suggestion for WDEL: Why not say specifically, "live on I-95 at the 495 split," or "live in Pike Creek on Route 7." It'd give them the sort of thing Channel 6 gets from those "there goes that Action News van again" promos. Gee, those WDEL traffic vans are everywhere! Then, after collecting several live at ___ outcues, production strings them together into a cool promo - and tags out the promo with "our WDEL traffic vans are everywhere!"

I'm available for consultant hire ...
 
I love radiophilers "Live on 95 Southbound..." idea. I think my only real complaint wasn't about stressing
they report from the roads (which isn't always the best way, considering the number of traffic cams DelDot
has running now)..it's just that WDEL already airs tons of spots everyday stating that Traffic Watch
is from the roads. Just seemed like a bit of overkill. Then again, overkill is what we in radio do best, anyways...
 
Maybe "Live from the road" makes a good slogan but it sounds like a terrible (and terribly cheap) way to report traffic.

The major traffic providers (like Traffax, which part of Westwood One's Metro Networks as is Shadow Traffic) use reporters in mobile units (usually more than one or two) "from the roads" but they also use: Aircraft. Highway sensors tied to computers. Police scanners. Traffic cameras operated by government agencies and by the traffic service itself. They have editors and producers who compile this information and on-air talent to broadcast it (and who can also look at computer displays and traffic cam monitors so they can say what they are seeing).

A guy in an SUV can only be in one place at a time; he can only cover so much territory. He gets caught in jams like everybody else. There is no way he can cover all the major highways in an entire market area. If he stays put, something happens elsewhere. If he keeps moving, he has no way to know if the jam he saw 20 minutes ago has cleared or not.

Then there's the safety issue: People worry about cell phone users getting into accidents. How can some traffic guy do traffic reports and keep driving? If he does reports for two different stations (every 10 minutes on each) he's likely to cause an accident himself or spend a lot of time pulled off to the side to talk on the radio. Do they do reports completely from memory or do these guys try to read and write notes while driving.

A traffic service feeds multiple stations, both radio and TV plus GPS subscribers (and they sell spots). They can afford to do the job right. Even if the air talent is located in a "traffic center" downstate (with road reporters on "the roads of New Castle County"), they have a better picture of what's happening on the roads than a guy in an SUV trying to drive, read notes and talk on his cell phone.
 
WILM started using "Time-saver traffic." It also gives a benefit. Good, maybe not as good as KYW's tag-out.

Another thing about WILM's newscasts is they do both traffic and weather together, or back to back. WDEL gives their traffic report every 10 minutes and each time they give the traffic report its detailed, where as their weather forecasts from Accu weather updates are very short and lack much detail ( more of a tease to try to get you to stay tuned in longer to hear the real report at :20 or :40 after the hour. These tease reports also do not air back to back with the traffic report, so you hear the traffic report and then have to wait a few more minutes for spots and other news before the weather tease. So depending on when you start listening to WDEL in the morning, you could have up to a 39 minute wait for the next detailed weather report (start listening at :41 as you just missed that detailed report, it's not until :20 after the next hour before the next detailed forecast. WILM's weather is aired each time they do traffic (every 10 minutes) and it's the full forecast not a teaser to try to get you to listen longer. So in the morning when I'm in a hurry and really want to know two things quickly (traffic and weather) WILM is my choice.
 
Mike, that is exactly why I listen to KYW for both weather and traffic. Of course, my commute is from Newark to Ridley Park each day, so that works for me. But KYW covers my major path. And when I need traffic and weather, both WILM and WDEL are in automatic mode. I have a better idea what is going on than they do!

Both WDEL and WILM need to learn that northern Delaware starts the day at 5am, not 5:30 or 6:00. Hearing about an overturned tractor-trailor closing down I-495 after 6:00 is of little value when I have been sitting in the traffic jam since 5:20 and I need to arrive at work at 5:45. Both stations need to catch up with the commutors of today, not the way life was in the 60's.
 
Sounds like that would be a good upgrade for both of Wilmington's newstalk stations. Does WJBR offer traffic at 5am? I'm guessing no. People seem to travel further and further from home to work now. Folks commute from Dover to Wilmington and reverse. Newark to Philly (that's a killer ride, I don't envey you), probably some folks commute from Lancaster to Wilmington, certainly some are commuting from Wilmington to Baltimore, and there might even be some folks who commute from Wilmington to NYC meaning that these long distance commuters are on the road much earlier than those of us who only commute within the Wilmington Metro area so that extra hour of traffic coverage would be a benefit and pull those listeners to their respective station rather than losing them to KYW or WBAL for Baltimore coverage (assuming WBAL offers traffic at 5am).
 
MikefromDelaware said:
Does WJBR offer traffic at 5am? I'm guessing no.

They do not. In fact, the only Delaware station that I've heard that does pre-6am traffic was
WDSD in Dover. Still, that was..10 minutes..or so before 6am, so the reports always sounded
pretty generic, with reading of construction notices, etc. Not much on current conditions.
 
Can't say what is happening at WJBR these days, but two years ago they were V/T during even the 6-7am hour. So I doubt that anything live is going on at 5am.

Yes Mike, commutes are getting longer for many workers these days. The News-Journal did a piece on that several months ago. I am definitely not alone. But Delaware radio has not caught on to what the print journalists are telling them and still think the commuters are making a 20 minute trip sometime between 7 and 8am. That is why my radios in the bathroom and car are set to KYW and not WDEL. Yes, I will switch over to 1150, but only after spending 30 minutes with KYW upon arising and then another half hour after I get in the car. During the first half hour of my commute home (2:30 to 3:30) I am again with KYW. Of course during the afternoon, the radio then switches to WILM, not WDEL. Like Rick, but can't stomach his co-host.
 
The major traffic providers (like Traffax, which part of Westwood One's Metro Networks as is Shadow Traffic) use reporters in mobile units (usually more than one or two) "from the roads" but they also use: Aircraft.

Anyone who's been associated with Traffax knows that they are nothing more than a couple guys in an office near Rehoboth listening to scanners and calling up PIO's at various law enforcement agencies to ask: any problems?

I think that WDEL has three vans on the road and they are equiped with all the emergency radios/scanners. WILM used to have a cash/trade deal for a helicopter but that ended years ago.

The comments about early traffic reports for Delaware make a lot of sense. I'm always amazed when I have to leave before 5 am for a flight or something just how many people are up and on the roads at that hour.
 
Kinda weird to hear WDEL end a report this morning with "Live from Limestone Road, I'm...."
Guess Rick Jensen likes us doing his work for him.

We should all get consulting fees here. ;)
 
Yawn. This should make it all the more obvious that between morning and afternoon drive times, their so-called "traffic reports" are pre-recorded and canned scheduled construction reports, just like the station previously known as WAMS.
 
Al Johnson said:
Yawn. This should make it all the more obvious that between morning and afternoon drive times, their so-called "traffic reports" are pre-recorded and canned scheduled construction reports, just like the station previously known as WAMS.

If you're refering to the 10 second blurbs Bryson does during the mid-day, that's really no secret. However, as a former DBCer,
I can tell you that someone is always "on call", if all hell breaks loose, with weather, traffic, accidents, etc. Better than nothing
at all.

Anyone who thinks those mid-day reports are live probably thinks that Conan O'Brien stays up til 12:35a to start his show.
 
QzarDE said:
If you're refering to the 10 second blurbs Bryson does during the mid-day, that's really no secret. However, as a former DBCer,
I can tell you that someone is always "on call", if all hell breaks loose, with weather, traffic, accidents, etc. Better than nothing
at all.

Anyone who thinks those mid-day reports are live probably thinks that Conan O'Brien stays up til 12:35a to start his show.

Actually, most people don't think about it. But they assume Conan (and other talk shows) are live. This is real people, not radio/TV geeks. And why does the station try to make it sound like a "real" traffic report if they really believe people know it's not a real traffic report?

Does Bryson still work there?

If all hell breaks loose, how does anybody know if nobody is reporting at the time?

Loyalty to Delaware Broadcasting is admirable. And whatever Metro/Traffax did, I'm sure your dislike of them is justified. But two guys driving around and calling in reports at the same time to two (or more) stations is a cheap and inadequate way to cover traffic. The nice thing is people seldom get to discover how inaccurate traffic reports are.
 
Al Johnson said:
two guys driving around and calling in reports at the same time to two (or more) stations is a cheap and inadequate way to cover traffic. The nice thing is people seldom get to discover how inaccurate traffic reports are.

As a former program director and someone who can only recall one other place that I've been in my 20 year career that employs this many people in their news department, I'd be curious to know what your solution to this perceived inadequacy would be.
 
Frankly I think WDEL's traffic team does a great job. Granted, generally speaking, the same places have tie ups everyday (not that DELDOT will ever FIX those problems so they won't be problems), but the traffic services manage to keep up quite well with traffic accidents.

WILM's traffic reports also do a good job for the most part. Both traffic services sometimes do make mistakes, but for the size of the Wilmington metro (approx 1/2million, market #75), you're not going to have the budget to have a traffic reporter up in a helicopter reporting live from chopper 1450 or 1150 Skywatch or something.

I'm sure both WDEL's and WILM's traffic reporters make heavy use of the DELDOT camera system and police reports as part of their reports. In any case both WDEL's, WILM's, and also WJBR's traffic reports all are far superior to the prerecorded loop tape of ancient info that DELDOT 1380 presents to the public at tax payer expense.
 
bk1808 said:
As a former program director and someone who can only recall one other place that I've been in my 20 year career that employs this many people in their news department, I'd be curious to know what your solution to this perceived inadequacy would be.
Traffic reports are like sausage; best not to look to closely about how they are made and what goes into them.

Traffic reports are a total waste but the industry has sold the public on them. Mostly they are of little value. They miss a lot. They get the information too late even more (with the result they are not talking about a problem while it occurs and are talking about a problem after it's gone). They tell you about traffic jams and you get there and there is none. They tell you about traffic jams when you are already in it. And, more than anything, they do not tell you about jams when you can avoid them (assuming you can avoid them). But they give listeners the illusion of control, the illusion you can "do something" about traffic jams (even if it's never worked out that way).

Weather is better. You can predict the weather and you can take some action in response. And when weather report is wrong people know it.

People say traffic reporters do a good job: How do they know? Fact is: You don't. If they miss or are late reporting the accident South of town and you are coming from the North, there is no way you will know they screwed up. Any listener sees very little (if any) of the whole picture. I have done all sides of traffic: Road reporting, producing, editing and announcing. I have monitored the competing services at the same time. They miss a lot. They miss a lot because there is a lot to miss. They miss a lot because road reporters can only be in so many places, because a lot does not come across on scanners, because cameras go down and because road sensors are notoriously unreliable and coverage is spotty.

More resources do increase accuracy but a couple of guys driving around, trying to listen to scanners and report "live" is not only totally inadequate, it's a safety hazard. At least one of the major traffic services took scanners out of their road units because drivers/road reporters were having too many accidents. Radio runs PSAs reminding people of the hazards of cell phone use while driving; scanners and push-to-talk broadcasting while driving is even worse.

Some of you assume the reports are accurate. They are supposed to sound accurate. But radio traffic, like radio news, is more about the illusion of coverage than actual coverage (hence "live from the roads ...). There is really no way for listeners to tell how accurate traffic reports are.

So, to answer the original question: You mentioned news but I assume your question was about traffic. Outsource. Only major traffic providers serving multiple stations, TV, Internet and GPS systems have the resources to do anything close to a competent job. But, what the heck, "live from the roads" sounds impressive. These traffic SUVs with call letters in big bright letters are only really useful as promotional devices (sort of like "there's that news van again").
 
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