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I've been on Live365 about a week now. Just wondered how others in this Forum that are on Live365 are doing? I am in Basic mode, not Live mode. So far the largest audience I have had is two listeners :D ... for 14 bucks a month :) ..... I am doing old farts' music (50's/60's rock and pop music) .... so that's my inquiry. Just fishing for folks that have knowledgeable comments.

www.Live365.com/stations/scott_dayton

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I don't know if it will give you any idea but I can relate the experience I had when I was on Live365 about a decade ago.

I ran a deep-formatted Oldies webstream that started as 50s - 70s and then updated to 60's - 80's with the 50's added on the weekends. Unless you start telling people you're out there you've got a long road to getting a lot of listeners. Back when I ran live I was picked up by one of the tuner services and would have upwards of 220+ listeners non-stop and had to scale back due to the cost of streaming and royalties. If you've got the money to make it work more power to you. I just got to the point, even with voluntary listener contributions, that it was a money pit. Of course it was a live stream running on professional broadcast gear, the "secret formula" audio processing and custom PAMS jingle re-sings. I did it for about 8 years before pulling the plug.

Hopefully Live365 is more stable than it use to be. They had their share of having things crap out and all stations, live and basic, got burned numerous times.
 
Thanks, Bill. I am not doing this for the money but for something to do with my oodles of time. My big beef with Live365 is low storage (350 MB) and almost no music in their "Music Library." I have a lot of music but with only 350 MB of storage that allows about 100-150 songs ... that, alone, may force me to give up because I spend 85% of my time killing a song in storage to make room for another and then having to update playlists, etc etc etc. I don't do any voice work .... no microphone here yet, and I am not sure I am going to spring for one. As much as I miss my radio career this may prove to be a "frustration pit" for me. ---- :)
 
Hi Scott,

I'm considered one of the "old-timers" around Live365. I launched my station on July 9, 2001, meaning I am close to my 12 year anniversary doing streaming.

At that time, it cost practically nothing to stream. I was the first one in Tallahassee to stream as an individual instead of a broadcasting company. Although, I had just set up my Delta Star Radio organization and account to keep it separate from the household account.

I began as a contemporary Christian webcaster because CCM was not available in the market then.
Listenership stayed under 200 TLH although the listeners it had were loyal. I knew nothing about mp3s or how to produce them. Sounds stupid now but I ran the stream much like a daytimer AM station, using a studio to feed Live365 the programming at first. I was laid off from a radio job July 6, 2001 and started up on Live365 the following Monday, July 9.

I figured out a way to automate it using a Sony 5disc CD changer and ran that overnights after a time. Back then you did not have to have a visible playlist.

Went back to full time radio in April 2002 but kept the stream going with CCM until July 27, 2003.
K-Love, Way FM, local Faith Radio and Wave94 were on the air by then and my TLH was nil. Discouraged, I decided to close up shop and call it quits. But...

One of my best friends in the radio business told me one day, "I can't do it."

"Can't do what?" I asked.

"Alan, I have been trying to sell my record collection that I have had since my days in Chattanooga. Then after I sold my little AM in North Florida, I kept a lot of that music. This morning someone did make me an offer and I turned it down."

"Really?"

"I can't sell them. Hey, if you would play some of them on your station you can have them."

"Are you kidding me. I grew up on country music and I love it."

"Alan, I feel led to donate my country music collection to you and your station. I just hope you will play some of it."

He brought me two and a half pickup truck loads of music - all on vinyl. I shut the stream down for one week and relaunched with country July 27, 2003.

That was almost 10 years ago. It has been in the "top 30" of country stations since 2008, peaking at #8 when I also had it on iTunes. Royalty rates led me to drop it from iTunes, but it remains on TuneIn and Radio Terra as well as Live365. It has 206,000-plus listens as a country station.

It takes a lot of time to build an audience for a stand-alone Internet station. Even now there are a lot of times it only has 2 listeners. I almost never look at that, though. I just focus on the product. It as done well enough that my station is at the PRO level.

Best of luck with your station. (Sorry for the long story. It is raining for the eighth straight day, my family is out of town, I am on the beach career wise and today I am bored.)

And, I still play a lot classic country out of my friend's collection. It is not going to waste and I know he listens in from time to time. I switch between live and basic a lot. And I kept my one weekly classic CCM show going on Sunday mornings. It started from a terrestrial show in 1983 and I took it to the Internet in 2001. Still hosting it live today.
 
Scott, have you tried Radionomy? I've had a station there for a couple weeks and it doesn't cost me anything. The station is

http://listen.radionomy.com/psychedelicbeegees

and plays in their player, TuneIn and computer players like WinAmp. They say there's a 1000 song limit (songs you upload) and working with the automated playlists is a bit tricky but my uploaded songs (they have a big library and I use a couple of their tracks) sound nice even on a home stereo. They currently stream mp3 at 128kbit.

Also their app and TuneIn include the iTunes button to buy songs currently playing when tagged right and iTunes has it.

I've acquired around 80 listeners worldwide and put up a facebook page to take suggestions.

It's free so it may be worth giving a go. And IIRC their live mode is free as well though I've heard complaints.

Regardless, good luck with your radio venture. I'm listening as I type this and I like it. :)

P.S.: What's the story with the PSAs and promos? Did you put them up or are they 365's?
 
ajc_ ..... The PSAs and Promos are Live365's doing. VIP members don't hear them, only the free listeners. Thanks for the info. I will check into that other service.

Scott Dayton
 
Does Radionomy cover the music royalties?

R
 
I checked out Radionomy .... rejected it for two reasons. (1) European based, and their English is so-so, (2) never could figure out how to add their songs to my playlist. --- Their system instructions/help is awful. So ... I ditched them and will stay with Live365.
 
pollitt said:
(2) never could figure out how to add their songs to my playlist.

Adding their songs is simply dragging them from the search window into your boxes or playlists.

They are difficult to work with but ease of use does come at a cost.

BTW: Is your stream available outside the 365 user interface/iPhone app? Do you have a URL I can use on Winamp, TuneIn, Safari and other stream players?

Ease of programming is one thing while I prefer ease of listening. No criticism of 365 especially if they can offer 64kib AAC+ where Radionomy doesn't but if the listener can get to it easily they'll get to it often. :)
 
Live365 does not offer AAC. They also do not provide direct stream launch URL's for Winamp. Some stations, like mine, are available under iTunes. But not all of them are.

R
 
Robert Bass said:
Does Radionomy cover the music royalties?

I wonder if it does there (They play ads on thier stream now)

I have a friend on Live365 that says IT REALLY HURTS HIM when someone OUTSIDE OF THE USA connects to his stream due to the royalty rates... I told him he should be able to ask Live365 to BLOCK ALL OUTSIDE IPs from listening.. (Make his station DOMESTIC ONLY) -- Is this not possible on live365??

I emailed them and asked them this but no one has replied :(
 
Supposedly it's possible for broadcasters using Pro accounts. But for personal accounts, no it's not possible. I fail to see how international listeners hurt your friend's station. Is he using a personal account? Please have him explain this...

R
 
The Dude said:
I have a friend on Live365 that says IT REALLY HURTS HIM when someone OUTSIDE OF THE USA connects to his stream due to the royalty rates... I told him he should be able to ask Live365 to BLOCK ALL OUTSIDE IPs from listening.. (Make his station DOMESTIC ONLY) -- Is this not possible on live365??

I emailed them and asked them this but no one has replied :(

Live isn't going to cut their nose off. They make money no matter who's listening. It would be great if they would/could limit the geographical area(s) able to listen to their streams (and I may have stayed with them if they allowed such control). Streaming is a game for the rich or well-backed.
 
Bill, Live365 CAN geo-limit the stream access for Pro broadcasters! The Pro broadcaster simply has to request it with their rep.

R
 
Thats what I was thinking!!!!!

I advised him of this but he said it probably wouldnt happen..... (I guess he doesnt realise he can do it??)
 
@Robert: I'm really surprised they offer this but then again, they may offer it but then again do they really implement it? I can only imagine the hassle that if somebody really wanted to be granular and only have their stream available to the U.S.
 
Bill DeFelice said:
@Robert: I'm really surprised they offer this but then again, they may offer it but then again do they really implement it? I can only imagine the hassle that if somebody really wanted to be granular and only have their stream available to the U.S.

If they are PRO I don't see why live365 would not offer such feature to a PRO broadcaster since your paying premium money to live365 for bandwidth (and having to pay your own royalties) ... makes sense they would offer a PRO broadcaster this option (since PRO broadcasters are "ad" free if they choose.. live365 doesn't really benefit as much from them as they do personal broadcasts (except the benefit of not paying royalties and if the broadcaster can't pay their royalties then live365 gains nothing from that broadcaster because they would no longer need live365's PRO services).
 
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