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LOCAL RADIO STATIONS REMAIN LOYAL TO L.I. LISTENERS
LOCAL RADIO STATIONS REMAIN LOYAL TO L.I. LISTENERS
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1290wgli
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> http://www.longislandpress.com/?cp=40&show=article&a_id=8168
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> LOCAL RADIO STATIONS REMAIN LOYAL TO L.I. LISTENERS
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They do? I can think of maybe WRIV and WLNG and a few in the educational band.
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> LOCAL RADIO STATIONS REMAIN LOYAL TO L.I. LISTENERS
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They do? I can think of maybe WRIV and WLNG and a few in the educational band.
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DonRevert
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> > LOCAL RADIO STATIONS REMAIN LOYAL TO L.I. LISTENERS
Funny, I saw it as "are the Morey stations wonderful?" The same stations that keep changing their formats (with WRIV & WLNG thrown in).
Funny, I saw it as "are the Morey stations wonderful?" The same stations that keep changing their formats (with WRIV & WLNG thrown in).
oh the hipocracy...
> > > LOCAL RADIO STATIONS REMAIN LOYAL TO L.I. LISTENERS
>
> Funny, I saw it as "are the Morey stations wonderful?" The
> same stations that keep changing their formats (with WRIV &
> WLNG thrown in).
>
I was absolutely amazed that TMO could be a part of that article, since it was TMO that sold its heritage 92.7 for $62 million, abandoning the vast majority of their Long Island and NYC audience. Everyone here remembers the outcry and the special message board that was set up to handle the traffic. My comment has nothing to do with the business decision, but simply the hipocracy of taking that money, abandoning Long Island listeners, and then being a part of a loyalty to Long Island article. This could ONLY happen in an environment where the newspaper is the same owner as the radio station. Once TMO Radio stations became a part of the article, it immediatly lost all credibility.
> > > LOCAL RADIO STATIONS REMAIN LOYAL TO L.I. LISTENERS
>
> Funny, I saw it as "are the Morey stations wonderful?" The
> same stations that keep changing their formats (with WRIV &
> WLNG thrown in).
>
I was absolutely amazed that TMO could be a part of that article, since it was TMO that sold its heritage 92.7 for $62 million, abandoning the vast majority of their Long Island and NYC audience. Everyone here remembers the outcry and the special message board that was set up to handle the traffic. My comment has nothing to do with the business decision, but simply the hipocracy of taking that money, abandoning Long Island listeners, and then being a part of a loyalty to Long Island article. This could ONLY happen in an environment where the newspaper is the same owner as the radio station. Once TMO Radio stations became a part of the article, it immediatly lost all credibility.
F
fang39
Guest
Re: oh the hipocracy...
>> I was absolutely amazed that TMO could be a part of that
> article, since it was TMO that sold its heritage 92.7 for
> $62 million, abandoning the vast majority of their Long
> Island and NYC audience. Everyone here remembers the outcry
> and the special message board that was set up to handle the
> traffic. My comment has nothing to do with the business
> decision, but simply the hipocracy of taking that money,
> abandoning Long Island listeners, and then being a part of a
> loyalty to Long Island article. This could ONLY happen in an
> environment where the newspaper is the same owner as the
> radio station. Once TMO Radio stations became a part of
> the article, it immediatly lost all credibility.
Not to mention how TMO has eliminated jobs from the Long Island broadcasting market by their use of automation & voice tracking running on their stations, instead of live jocks.
>> I was absolutely amazed that TMO could be a part of that
> article, since it was TMO that sold its heritage 92.7 for
> $62 million, abandoning the vast majority of their Long
> Island and NYC audience. Everyone here remembers the outcry
> and the special message board that was set up to handle the
> traffic. My comment has nothing to do with the business
> decision, but simply the hipocracy of taking that money,
> abandoning Long Island listeners, and then being a part of a
> loyalty to Long Island article. This could ONLY happen in an
> environment where the newspaper is the same owner as the
> radio station. Once TMO Radio stations became a part of
> the article, it immediatly lost all credibility.
Not to mention how TMO has eliminated jobs from the Long Island broadcasting market by their use of automation & voice tracking running on their stations, instead of live jocks.
M
Mouth1390
Guest
Re: oh the hipocracy...
I don't know if we agree with the negative posts about TMO. We thought that the article was much more than fair to all of the stations and was an accurate representation of our views on local radio.
While there are those who are still upset that TMO sold its Garden City radio station a few years ago, no one can honestly say it was a bad business decision. Equally important is the fact that TMO spent heavily to experiment in new forms of radio programming, specifically Channel casting, which had to require a significant investment. TMO does what they do very well and their stations clearly serve their audiences.
The same can be said about our station, WRIV 1390AM and our colleagues at WLNG Radio. Both stations are highly visible, very local in their approach and seek to serve their listeners.
I don't know if we agree with the negative posts about TMO. We thought that the article was much more than fair to all of the stations and was an accurate representation of our views on local radio.
While there are those who are still upset that TMO sold its Garden City radio station a few years ago, no one can honestly say it was a bad business decision. Equally important is the fact that TMO spent heavily to experiment in new forms of radio programming, specifically Channel casting, which had to require a significant investment. TMO does what they do very well and their stations clearly serve their audiences.
The same can be said about our station, WRIV 1390AM and our colleagues at WLNG Radio. Both stations are highly visible, very local in their approach and seek to serve their listeners.
M
MacLeod
Guest
Re: oh the hipocracy...
>>Equally important is the fact that TMO spent heavily to experiment in new forms of radio programming, specifically Channel casting, which had to require a significant investment. TMO does what they do very well and their stations clearly serve their audiences.<<
I think you quite need to re-evaluate your statement here, my friend. A significant investment? Since when does firing almost your entire staff and leaving 3 automation systems on autopilot constitute anything resembling an investment of any kind? TMO's "Channelcasting" was noting more then a front to eliminate overhead and save a couple of dollars. I have no idea what they planned to do beyond that initial pad to the bottom line, but whatever this "Channelcasting" was set in place to accomplish failed miserably (wow, TMO and failure...don't they fit so well together?) and now they're back to some half-a**ed version of what they were trying to do before that debacle. Listen, over the years and still to this day that company has had the fortuity of employing some good-minded and talented broadcasting professionals that have really given their all to create the best radio they could within the means (no budget, no problem!), but at this point the best thing that TMO can do to serve their audiences and the communities of suffolk county is to sell those stations to an owner that can do the two things that TMO has never done...put some money into the product and given a damm about it.
>>Equally important is the fact that TMO spent heavily to experiment in new forms of radio programming, specifically Channel casting, which had to require a significant investment. TMO does what they do very well and their stations clearly serve their audiences.<<
I think you quite need to re-evaluate your statement here, my friend. A significant investment? Since when does firing almost your entire staff and leaving 3 automation systems on autopilot constitute anything resembling an investment of any kind? TMO's "Channelcasting" was noting more then a front to eliminate overhead and save a couple of dollars. I have no idea what they planned to do beyond that initial pad to the bottom line, but whatever this "Channelcasting" was set in place to accomplish failed miserably (wow, TMO and failure...don't they fit so well together?) and now they're back to some half-a**ed version of what they were trying to do before that debacle. Listen, over the years and still to this day that company has had the fortuity of employing some good-minded and talented broadcasting professionals that have really given their all to create the best radio they could within the means (no budget, no problem!), but at this point the best thing that TMO can do to serve their audiences and the communities of suffolk county is to sell those stations to an owner that can do the two things that TMO has never done...put some money into the product and given a damm about it.
Re: oh the hipocracy...
> >>Equally important is the fact that TMO spent heavily to
> experiment in new forms of radio programming, specifically
> Channel casting, which had to require a significant
> investment. TMO does what they do very well and their
> stations clearly serve their audiences.
>
Agreed. I'm not sure how having three stations churn out a playlist and pre-paid announcements 24-7 constitutes "local" programming. No traffic, no weather, no DJ's of any kind other than some limited pre-recorded spots. Even now that TMO has abandoned the "channelcasting" experiment, the stations are mostly voicetracked. Musically, they may be better than they have been in a while, but they should not be mistaken for anything that has to do with "local" programming, no matter how you slice it.
92.7 may not have been a ratings bonanza (though neither is its replacement on that frequency), but it did have a morning show, live DJ's, traffic...I guess $62 million doesn't buy as much as it used to.
> >>Equally important is the fact that TMO spent heavily to
> experiment in new forms of radio programming, specifically
> Channel casting, which had to require a significant
> investment. TMO does what they do very well and their
> stations clearly serve their audiences.
>
Agreed. I'm not sure how having three stations churn out a playlist and pre-paid announcements 24-7 constitutes "local" programming. No traffic, no weather, no DJ's of any kind other than some limited pre-recorded spots. Even now that TMO has abandoned the "channelcasting" experiment, the stations are mostly voicetracked. Musically, they may be better than they have been in a while, but they should not be mistaken for anything that has to do with "local" programming, no matter how you slice it.
92.7 may not have been a ratings bonanza (though neither is its replacement on that frequency), but it did have a morning show, live DJ's, traffic...I guess $62 million doesn't buy as much as it used to.
M
MrsN
Guest
Re: oh the hipocracy...
> > > > LOCAL RADIO STATIONS REMAIN LOYAL TO L.I. LISTENERS
> >
> > Funny, I saw it as "are the Morey stations wonderful?"
>
In the article, John Caracciolo states:
"The Morey Organization will remain focused on serving the LI community. "The future of radio is localism," says Caracciolo. "There is too much information out there. In the end, people want local information, local news about local people."
Hmmm, lets see:
Local information? Nope - None on the TMO radio properties (except if you count the endless Colon Blow infomercials)
Local news? Nope - None on the TMO radio properties
Local people? Nope - When you're "World Famous" and count on the internet for your listeners, how many local people can there be?
IMHO, I hope John, Jed or RJ respond/rebutt here on LI Radio-Info.Com to this thread rather than hiding behind LIP
> > > > LOCAL RADIO STATIONS REMAIN LOYAL TO L.I. LISTENERS
> >
> > Funny, I saw it as "are the Morey stations wonderful?"
>
In the article, John Caracciolo states:
"The Morey Organization will remain focused on serving the LI community. "The future of radio is localism," says Caracciolo. "There is too much information out there. In the end, people want local information, local news about local people."
Hmmm, lets see:
Local information? Nope - None on the TMO radio properties (except if you count the endless Colon Blow infomercials)
Local news? Nope - None on the TMO radio properties
Local people? Nope - When you're "World Famous" and count on the internet for your listeners, how many local people can there be?
IMHO, I hope John, Jed or RJ respond/rebutt here on LI Radio-Info.Com to this thread rather than hiding behind LIP
Re: oh the hypocrisy...
> I don't know if we agree with the negative posts about TMO.
> We thought that the article was much more than fair to all
> of the stations and was an accurate representation of our
> views on local radio.
>
> While there are those who are still upset that TMO sold its
> Garden City radio station a few years ago, no one can
> honestly say it was a bad business decision. Equally
> important is the fact that TMO spent heavily to experiment
> in new forms of radio programming, specifically Channel
> casting, which had to require a significant investment. TMO
> does what they do very well and their stations clearly serve
> their audiences.
>
> The same can be said about our station, WRIV 1390AM and our
> colleagues at WLNG Radio. Both stations are highly visible,
> very local in their approach and seek to serve their
> listeners.
>
Bruce,
As I mentioned in my post, my negativism was not about the business transaction. I am in no position to judge TMO for their business moves. Certainly it had to have been tough to turn down $62 million. I listened to John break up on the air on the last day, and I believed every word he said and feel they were genuine. Even in the days immediately following the sale, I was sad, upset, but never angry because I'm pretty sure they got one heck of deal.
I also mentioned the loss of credibility once they spoke about TMO and support of local radio. IMHO the article was self-serving and seemingly designed as a PR move to an audience who feels they’ve abandoned anything resembling local radio. I liked what they had to say About WRIV and WLNG, and with respect to the subject matter, that made sense. The actions/experiments TMO have taken since the day of the sale may or may not have been bad for radio in general. However there is no way you can make the numerous business decisions they've made (all cited in the threads above), and say that it’s all about a local radio. In-fact, they've designed and mirrored their stations as free alternatives to satellite, which is the antithesis of local radio.
I just want to say for the record, that as we speak, I am listening to WLIR via their web-stream. In-fact, I listen to it all day long in the office, and transmit the stream to my FM Stereo at home. I love the music, and have always loved 'LIR. Mine isn't anger or bitterness at the changes they've made. As a radio lover and enthusiast, I simply had to make these comments about the article, because radio is my passion, and the statements made were amazingly disingenuous and disappointing. It was simply an ill-conceived attempt to portray TMO as caring about local radio as they've moved in the opposite direction.
Michael
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Michael D on 04/18/06 09:15 PM.</FONT></P>
> I don't know if we agree with the negative posts about TMO.
> We thought that the article was much more than fair to all
> of the stations and was an accurate representation of our
> views on local radio.
>
> While there are those who are still upset that TMO sold its
> Garden City radio station a few years ago, no one can
> honestly say it was a bad business decision. Equally
> important is the fact that TMO spent heavily to experiment
> in new forms of radio programming, specifically Channel
> casting, which had to require a significant investment. TMO
> does what they do very well and their stations clearly serve
> their audiences.
>
> The same can be said about our station, WRIV 1390AM and our
> colleagues at WLNG Radio. Both stations are highly visible,
> very local in their approach and seek to serve their
> listeners.
>
Bruce,
As I mentioned in my post, my negativism was not about the business transaction. I am in no position to judge TMO for their business moves. Certainly it had to have been tough to turn down $62 million. I listened to John break up on the air on the last day, and I believed every word he said and feel they were genuine. Even in the days immediately following the sale, I was sad, upset, but never angry because I'm pretty sure they got one heck of deal.
I also mentioned the loss of credibility once they spoke about TMO and support of local radio. IMHO the article was self-serving and seemingly designed as a PR move to an audience who feels they’ve abandoned anything resembling local radio. I liked what they had to say About WRIV and WLNG, and with respect to the subject matter, that made sense. The actions/experiments TMO have taken since the day of the sale may or may not have been bad for radio in general. However there is no way you can make the numerous business decisions they've made (all cited in the threads above), and say that it’s all about a local radio. In-fact, they've designed and mirrored their stations as free alternatives to satellite, which is the antithesis of local radio.
I just want to say for the record, that as we speak, I am listening to WLIR via their web-stream. In-fact, I listen to it all day long in the office, and transmit the stream to my FM Stereo at home. I love the music, and have always loved 'LIR. Mine isn't anger or bitterness at the changes they've made. As a radio lover and enthusiast, I simply had to make these comments about the article, because radio is my passion, and the statements made were amazingly disingenuous and disappointing. It was simply an ill-conceived attempt to portray TMO as caring about local radio as they've moved in the opposite direction.
Michael
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Michael D on 04/18/06 09:15 PM.</FONT></P>
Re: oh the hipocracy...
> >> I was absolutely amazed that TMO could be a part of that
> > article, since it was TMO that sold its heritage 92.7 for
> > $62 million, abandoning the vast majority of their Long
> > Island and NYC audience. Everyone here remembers the
> outcry
> > and the special message board that was set up to handle
> the
> > traffic. My comment has nothing to do with the business
> > decision, but simply the hipocracy of taking that money,
> > abandoning Long Island listeners, and then being a part of
> a
> > loyalty to Long Island article. This could ONLY happen in
> an
> > environment where the newspaper is the same owner as the
> > radio station. Once TMO Radio stations became a part of
> > the article, it immediatly lost all credibility.
>
> Not to mention how TMO has eliminated jobs from the Long
> Island broadcasting market by their use of automation &
> voice tracking running on their stations, instead of live
> jocks.
> And they talk like WLIR has been a permanent fixture on 107.1...remember The Box and the NEOBREEZE disaster?
> >> I was absolutely amazed that TMO could be a part of that
> > article, since it was TMO that sold its heritage 92.7 for
> > $62 million, abandoning the vast majority of their Long
> > Island and NYC audience. Everyone here remembers the
> outcry
> > and the special message board that was set up to handle
> the
> > traffic. My comment has nothing to do with the business
> > decision, but simply the hipocracy of taking that money,
> > abandoning Long Island listeners, and then being a part of
> a
> > loyalty to Long Island article. This could ONLY happen in
> an
> > environment where the newspaper is the same owner as the
> > radio station. Once TMO Radio stations became a part of
> > the article, it immediatly lost all credibility.
>
> Not to mention how TMO has eliminated jobs from the Long
> Island broadcasting market by their use of automation &
> voice tracking running on their stations, instead of live
> jocks.
> And they talk like WLIR has been a permanent fixture on 107.1...remember The Box and the NEOBREEZE disaster?
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1290wgli
Guest
Re: oh the hipocracy...
TMO sold a station for $62 million that was worth much less. No brainer... too bad.. my favorite stations are no longer around, everyone needs to get over it. Use alternate forms of media. The sale was a smart move.
The problem with the other stations is an oversaturation of signals in an area that cannot support so many Docket 80/90 has created many radio stations that cannot survive. There are only so many slices of pie.
> I don't know if we agree with the negative posts about TMO.
> We thought that the article was much more than fair to all
> of the stations and was an accurate representation of our
> views on local radio.
>
> While there are those who are still upset that TMO sold its
> Garden City radio station a few years ago, no one can
> honestly say it was a bad business decision. Equally
> important is the fact that TMO spent heavily to experiment
> in new forms of radio programming, specifically Channel
> casting, which had to require a significant investment. TMO
> does what they do very well and their stations clearly serve
> their audiences.
>
> The same can be said about our station, WRIV 1390AM and our
> colleagues at WLNG Radio. Both stations are highly visible,
> very local in their approach and seek to serve their
> listeners.
>
TMO sold a station for $62 million that was worth much less. No brainer... too bad.. my favorite stations are no longer around, everyone needs to get over it. Use alternate forms of media. The sale was a smart move.
The problem with the other stations is an oversaturation of signals in an area that cannot support so many Docket 80/90 has created many radio stations that cannot survive. There are only so many slices of pie.
> I don't know if we agree with the negative posts about TMO.
> We thought that the article was much more than fair to all
> of the stations and was an accurate representation of our
> views on local radio.
>
> While there are those who are still upset that TMO sold its
> Garden City radio station a few years ago, no one can
> honestly say it was a bad business decision. Equally
> important is the fact that TMO spent heavily to experiment
> in new forms of radio programming, specifically Channel
> casting, which had to require a significant investment. TMO
> does what they do very well and their stations clearly serve
> their audiences.
>
> The same can be said about our station, WRIV 1390AM and our
> colleagues at WLNG Radio. Both stations are highly visible,
> very local in their approach and seek to serve their
> listeners.
>
Re: oh the hipocracy...
No one is disputing the sale. They would have been idiots to turn down that much money for a Class A signal, and in retrospect, they really seem to have fleeced Univision. I actually think WCAA/WZAA's ratings on Long Island have decreased ever since the purchase.
However, when 92.7 went off the air, TMO promised to continue to serve the people of Long Island through its three radio stations. They have not really done so, when they've taken away live jocks, traffic reports, and almost all semblence of live/local programming and basically replaced those stations with three on-air jukeboxes. Granted, stations like Party sound great now musically, especially because nobody else touches that sort of music, but the stations are still a shell of what they once were, and can't be mistaken for local stations. WLNG, WRIV yes, even a bunch of stations in the non-commercial band such as WUSB, WRHU, etc. definitely do serve their local communities and provide live/local programming. Even the "evil" Clear Channel or other corporate stations on Long Island provide some semblance of live programming, traffic, etc. (even though local newscasts, etc. are sorely lacking.) The TMO stations don't even do that anymore, however.
> TMO sold a station for $62 million that was worth much less.
> No brainer... too bad.. my favorite stations are no longer
> around, everyone needs to get over it. Use alternate forms
> of media. The sale was a smart move.
>
> The problem with the other stations is an oversaturation of
> signals in an area that cannot support so many Docket 80/90
> has created many radio stations that cannot survive. There
> are only so many slices of pie.
>
> > I don't know if we agree with the negative posts about
> TMO.
> > We thought that the article was much more than fair to all
>
> > of the stations and was an accurate representation of our
> > views on local radio.
> >
> > While there are those who are still upset that TMO sold
> its
> > Garden City radio station a few years ago, no one can
> > honestly say it was a bad business decision. Equally
> > important is the fact that TMO spent heavily to experiment
>
> > in new forms of radio programming, specifically Channel
> > casting, which had to require a significant investment.
> TMO
> > does what they do very well and their stations clearly
> serve
> > their audiences.
> >
> > The same can be said about our station, WRIV 1390AM and
> our
> > colleagues at WLNG Radio. Both stations are highly
> visible,
> > very local in their approach and seek to serve their
> > listeners.
> >
>
No one is disputing the sale. They would have been idiots to turn down that much money for a Class A signal, and in retrospect, they really seem to have fleeced Univision. I actually think WCAA/WZAA's ratings on Long Island have decreased ever since the purchase.
However, when 92.7 went off the air, TMO promised to continue to serve the people of Long Island through its three radio stations. They have not really done so, when they've taken away live jocks, traffic reports, and almost all semblence of live/local programming and basically replaced those stations with three on-air jukeboxes. Granted, stations like Party sound great now musically, especially because nobody else touches that sort of music, but the stations are still a shell of what they once were, and can't be mistaken for local stations. WLNG, WRIV yes, even a bunch of stations in the non-commercial band such as WUSB, WRHU, etc. definitely do serve their local communities and provide live/local programming. Even the "evil" Clear Channel or other corporate stations on Long Island provide some semblance of live programming, traffic, etc. (even though local newscasts, etc. are sorely lacking.) The TMO stations don't even do that anymore, however.
> TMO sold a station for $62 million that was worth much less.
> No brainer... too bad.. my favorite stations are no longer
> around, everyone needs to get over it. Use alternate forms
> of media. The sale was a smart move.
>
> The problem with the other stations is an oversaturation of
> signals in an area that cannot support so many Docket 80/90
> has created many radio stations that cannot survive. There
> are only so many slices of pie.
>
> > I don't know if we agree with the negative posts about
> TMO.
> > We thought that the article was much more than fair to all
>
> > of the stations and was an accurate representation of our
> > views on local radio.
> >
> > While there are those who are still upset that TMO sold
> its
> > Garden City radio station a few years ago, no one can
> > honestly say it was a bad business decision. Equally
> > important is the fact that TMO spent heavily to experiment
>
> > in new forms of radio programming, specifically Channel
> > casting, which had to require a significant investment.
> TMO
> > does what they do very well and their stations clearly
> serve
> > their audiences.
> >
> > The same can be said about our station, WRIV 1390AM and
> our
> > colleagues at WLNG Radio. Both stations are highly
> visible,
> > very local in their approach and seek to serve their
> > listeners.
> >
>
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1290wgli
Guest
Re: oh the hipocracy...
> No one is disputing the sale. They would have been idiots
> to turn down that much money for a Class A signal, and in
> retrospect, they really seem to have fleeced Univision. I
> actually think WCAA/WZAA's ratings on Long Island have
> decreased ever since the purchase.
>
> However, when 92.7 went off the air, TMO promised to
> continue to serve the people of Long Island through its
> three radio stations. They have not really done so, when
> they've taken away live jocks, traffic reports, and almost
> all semblence of live/local programming and basically
> replaced those stations with three on-air jukeboxes.
It's impossible to viable when these radio stations throw their signals over the least populated section of the island and compete with all of these other signals that have been allowed on in the last 15 years. Unless you come up with stellar programming or something very unique or special, you can't survive. When you have to try and support THREE stations.......
> No one is disputing the sale. They would have been idiots
> to turn down that much money for a Class A signal, and in
> retrospect, they really seem to have fleeced Univision. I
> actually think WCAA/WZAA's ratings on Long Island have
> decreased ever since the purchase.
>
> However, when 92.7 went off the air, TMO promised to
> continue to serve the people of Long Island through its
> three radio stations. They have not really done so, when
> they've taken away live jocks, traffic reports, and almost
> all semblence of live/local programming and basically
> replaced those stations with three on-air jukeboxes.
It's impossible to viable when these radio stations throw their signals over the least populated section of the island and compete with all of these other signals that have been allowed on in the last 15 years. Unless you come up with stellar programming or something very unique or special, you can't survive. When you have to try and support THREE stations.......
Re: oh the hipocracy...
> It's impossible to viable when these radio stations throw
> their signals over the least populated section of the island
> and compete with all of these other signals that have been
> allowed on in the last 15 years. Unless you come up with
> stellar programming or something very unique or special, you
> can't survive. When you have to try and support THREE
> stations.......
>
Good point, even though stations like WLNG and WEHM have flourished on the East End (relatively speaking).
Does anyone know if TMO has made an (unsuccessful) move to grab any signals further west, perhaps one of the Barnstable stations? They'd probably have an easier time "serving the people of Long Island" if they were able to cover a more populated region.
> It's impossible to viable when these radio stations throw
> their signals over the least populated section of the island
> and compete with all of these other signals that have been
> allowed on in the last 15 years. Unless you come up with
> stellar programming or something very unique or special, you
> can't survive. When you have to try and support THREE
> stations.......
>
Good point, even though stations like WLNG and WEHM have flourished on the East End (relatively speaking).
Does anyone know if TMO has made an (unsuccessful) move to grab any signals further west, perhaps one of the Barnstable stations? They'd probably have an easier time "serving the people of Long Island" if they were able to cover a more populated region.
Re: oh the hipocracy...
Again, like others, you didn' read my post, you just responded with a shot from the hip. I specifically said this wasn't about the decision to take the money, it was of course, a no-brainer. The ISSUE is TMO making itself a part of an article by its own newspaper, stating that it is supportive of local radio when everything it does is not. And as I read the posts of others, they make arguments that are even better than mine, talking about no local jocks, no local news, no local traffic etc. etc.
> TMO sold a station for $62 million that was worth much less.
> No brainer... too bad.. my favorite stations are no longer
> around, everyone needs to get over it. Use alternate forms
> of media. The sale was a smart move.
>
>
Again, like others, you didn' read my post, you just responded with a shot from the hip. I specifically said this wasn't about the decision to take the money, it was of course, a no-brainer. The ISSUE is TMO making itself a part of an article by its own newspaper, stating that it is supportive of local radio when everything it does is not. And as I read the posts of others, they make arguments that are even better than mine, talking about no local jocks, no local news, no local traffic etc. etc.
> TMO sold a station for $62 million that was worth much less.
> No brainer... too bad.. my favorite stations are no longer
> around, everyone needs to get over it. Use alternate forms
> of media. The sale was a smart move.
>
>
M
Mouth1390
Guest
Re: oh the hipocracy...
> Bruce,
>
> As I mentioned in my post, my negativism was not about the
> business transaction. I am in no position to judge TMO for
> their business moves. Certainly it had to have been tough to
> turn down $62 million. I listened to John break up on the
> air on the last day, and I believed every word he said and
> feel they were genuine. Even in the days immediately
> following the sale, I was sad, upset, but never angry
> because I'm pretty sure they got one heck of deal.
>
> I also mentioned the loss of credibility once they spoke
> about TMO and support of local radio. IMHO the article was
> self-serving and seemingly designed as a PR move to an
> audience who feels they’ve abandoned anything resembling
> local radio. I liked what they had to say About WRIV and
> WLNG, and with respect to the subject matter, that made
> sense. The actions/experiments TMO have taken since the day
> of the sale may or may not have been bad for radio in
> general. However there is no way you can make the numerous
> business decisions they've made (all cited in the threads
> above), and say that it’s all about a local radio. In-fact,
> they've designed and mirrored their stations as free
> alternatives to satellite, which is the antithesis of local
> radio.
>
> I just want to say for the record, that as we speak, I am
> listening to WLIR via their web-stream. In-fact, I listen
> to it all day long in the office, and transmit the stream to
> my FM Stereo at home. I love the music, and have always
> loved 'LIR. Mine isn't anger or bitterness at the changes
> they've made. As a radio lover and enthusiast, I simply had
> to make these comments about the article, because radio is
> my passion, and the statements made were amazingly
> disingenuous and disappointing. It was simply an
> ill-conceived attempt to portray TMO as caring about local
> radio as they've moved in the opposite direction.
>
> Michael
>
Michael,
I agree with you. . .$ 62 million is one heck of a deal ! It's like hitting the lottery and that is very hard to turn down.
I really appreciate your kind words about our radio station, WRIV 1390AM. Without getting into tacky self-promotion, we just try to do good local radio that attracts and holds an audience by serving it well.
In some ways, I see TMO as a very cutting edge broadcaster that is willing to take risks that corporate radio would never take to serve its local audience. The channel casting experiment was a huge risk and while they may have abandonded it, the Neobreeze format was particularly interesting to me. If you were to look at the formatics and the advertising end of the format, it gave local advertisers the opportunity to create an image built over one solid hour without their competitors being heard ten minutes later (the usual separation). It gave local listeners access to an experimental format that was not heard anywhere else and that, I think, defines the strength of local radio. It can take a risk and possibly even develop a new form.
Remember, prior to 1935, there were no disc jockies on the radio. Someone had to do it and it was an independent station that did it.
As I said before, I found the article to be fair and even handed and I find the journalists at the Long Island Press to be excellent. That article was very objective and that is a credit to them as journalists and, yes, to TMO for allowing them to do their jobs without interference.
Yours is an excellent post and it is refreshing to hear an enthusiast write about radio. Clearly, WLIR has struck a chord with you and continues to strike that chord. That is what good radio does. It makes that connection with its listeners so they almost want to talk back to the radio. On a very personal level, William B. Williams had that affect on me as a kid growing up in the 1960s and 1970s. You just felt like you knew him and by extension, the station and the artists.
Ultimately, I think that TMO cares very deeply about local radio and does their best to put it on the air.
Hope we can converse again.
Bruce
> Bruce,
>
> As I mentioned in my post, my negativism was not about the
> business transaction. I am in no position to judge TMO for
> their business moves. Certainly it had to have been tough to
> turn down $62 million. I listened to John break up on the
> air on the last day, and I believed every word he said and
> feel they were genuine. Even in the days immediately
> following the sale, I was sad, upset, but never angry
> because I'm pretty sure they got one heck of deal.
>
> I also mentioned the loss of credibility once they spoke
> about TMO and support of local radio. IMHO the article was
> self-serving and seemingly designed as a PR move to an
> audience who feels they’ve abandoned anything resembling
> local radio. I liked what they had to say About WRIV and
> WLNG, and with respect to the subject matter, that made
> sense. The actions/experiments TMO have taken since the day
> of the sale may or may not have been bad for radio in
> general. However there is no way you can make the numerous
> business decisions they've made (all cited in the threads
> above), and say that it’s all about a local radio. In-fact,
> they've designed and mirrored their stations as free
> alternatives to satellite, which is the antithesis of local
> radio.
>
> I just want to say for the record, that as we speak, I am
> listening to WLIR via their web-stream. In-fact, I listen
> to it all day long in the office, and transmit the stream to
> my FM Stereo at home. I love the music, and have always
> loved 'LIR. Mine isn't anger or bitterness at the changes
> they've made. As a radio lover and enthusiast, I simply had
> to make these comments about the article, because radio is
> my passion, and the statements made were amazingly
> disingenuous and disappointing. It was simply an
> ill-conceived attempt to portray TMO as caring about local
> radio as they've moved in the opposite direction.
>
> Michael
>
Michael,
I agree with you. . .$ 62 million is one heck of a deal ! It's like hitting the lottery and that is very hard to turn down.
I really appreciate your kind words about our radio station, WRIV 1390AM. Without getting into tacky self-promotion, we just try to do good local radio that attracts and holds an audience by serving it well.
In some ways, I see TMO as a very cutting edge broadcaster that is willing to take risks that corporate radio would never take to serve its local audience. The channel casting experiment was a huge risk and while they may have abandonded it, the Neobreeze format was particularly interesting to me. If you were to look at the formatics and the advertising end of the format, it gave local advertisers the opportunity to create an image built over one solid hour without their competitors being heard ten minutes later (the usual separation). It gave local listeners access to an experimental format that was not heard anywhere else and that, I think, defines the strength of local radio. It can take a risk and possibly even develop a new form.
Remember, prior to 1935, there were no disc jockies on the radio. Someone had to do it and it was an independent station that did it.
As I said before, I found the article to be fair and even handed and I find the journalists at the Long Island Press to be excellent. That article was very objective and that is a credit to them as journalists and, yes, to TMO for allowing them to do their jobs without interference.
Yours is an excellent post and it is refreshing to hear an enthusiast write about radio. Clearly, WLIR has struck a chord with you and continues to strike that chord. That is what good radio does. It makes that connection with its listeners so they almost want to talk back to the radio. On a very personal level, William B. Williams had that affect on me as a kid growing up in the 1960s and 1970s. You just felt like you knew him and by extension, the station and the artists.
Ultimately, I think that TMO cares very deeply about local radio and does their best to put it on the air.
Hope we can converse again.
Bruce
P
Patchy
Guest
Re: oh the hypocrisy
1) This article should have been part of their Easter edition, given the pieces of silver for which they sold out.
2) I just had to correct the spelling of "hypocrisy."
1) This article should have been part of their Easter edition, given the pieces of silver for which they sold out.
2) I just had to correct the spelling of "hypocrisy."
Re: oh the hypocrisy
> 1) This article should have been part of their Easter
> edition, given the pieces of silver for which they sold out.
>
>
> 2) I just had to correct the spelling of "hypocrisy."
>
THANK YOU - I cringed when I saw that I had done that, but too many responses had come in and Radio-Info wouldn't let me fix it!
> 1) This article should have been part of their Easter
> edition, given the pieces of silver for which they sold out.
>
>
> 2) I just had to correct the spelling of "hypocrisy."
>
THANK YOU - I cringed when I saw that I had done that, but too many responses had come in and Radio-Info wouldn't let me fix it!
1
1290wgli
Guest
Re: oh the hipocracy...
> Good point, even though stations like WLNG and WEHM have
> flourished on the East End (relatively speaking).
Unique programming on both.
> Good point, even though stations like WLNG and WEHM have
> flourished on the East End (relatively speaking).
Unique programming on both.
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