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LOCAL STATIONS THAT CARRIED YOUR PRO-BASEBALL TEAM OVER THE YEARS

FreddyE1977 said:
onairb said:
oldiesfan6479 said:
Ultimajock said:
...who carried the Seattle Pilots?...

If you can believe Wiki, radio was KVI 570 and TV was "none."

There was a recent post on the506.com Sports Broadcasting Forums(some people from here frequent that site, too) which mentioned the Pilots demanded too much money for TV rights, and so there was no TV deal..aside from a single telecast in September, from Boston(not sure which station carried it).

Part of their problem was that the planned expansion of Sicks Stadium to Major-League size was never completed,
due to union problems, cost overruns and rainy Seattle weather.  They were never able to seat more than 16,000
at any point during the season....woefully undersized for a Major League team.  The management apparently tried
to compensate by overreaching on the TV deal and it backfired on them.

If you want to see rare footage of the Pilots, get a copy of "Seattle Pilots - Short Flight Into History". I have it and highly recommend it.

http://www.amazon.com/Seattle-Pilot...ef=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1306620271&sr=1-1

And here's a short news clip from 1977 mentioning the legal problems with the Kingdome (hard to believe that stadium is now history):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPYtiTJCYMY

As for the Red Sox, the "Impossible to Forget" DVD has the next-to-last game from the 1967 season (minus open and close and commercials). It's interesting to see, and is the oldest colorcast of a complete MLB game in existance.

http://www.amazon.com/Impossible-Forget-The-Story-Boston/dp/B000PC1PAM
 
Very good website on the history of the Pilots: Includes rare radio clips with Jimmy Dudley and Bill Schonely:Dudley had been radio announcer for the Indians from the 40's to the 60's and worked in TV in Cleveland..Schonely became the first and best known voice of the NBA Portland Trailblazers..

http://seattlepilots.com/
 
The old WHDH-5 did not sign-on until November, 1957, after the 1957 baseball season had ended.

WBZ-4 and the old WNAC-7 shared Boston Red Sox TV games from 1948 through 1954; from 1955 through 1957, WBZ alone aired the games. The rights were held by the old WHDH-850, which didn't have a TV station at the time, and thus, initially split the TV schedule between WNAC and WBZ to avoid favoritism.

In the early years, almost all home games were televised.

The old Boston Braves were seen on both WBZ and WNAC in 1948 and 1949; from 1950 until the team left town after the 1952 season, the Braves set-up their own TV/radio package (breaking away from WHDH Radio, which had carried home games of both teams from 1947 to 1949). From 1950 through 1952, WBZ had all the Braves' TV games (in addition to half of the Red Sox TV schedule).

The old WNAC-1260 replaced WHDH as the Braves' radio flagship; presumably the New England-wide Yankee Network also carried the Braves from 1950-52. The 1950 season was the first time that every game, home and away, of both the Braves and Red Sox were broadcast on radio in Boston, since the Red Sox stayed on WHDH (and would through the end of the 1975 regular-season).

WNAC Radio wanted to get back into baseball because it (and eventually, the Yankee Network) had been the flagship of both the Sox and Braves (carrying home games of the two teams) between the middle 1920's through 1946.

Also, in 2004, WBZ-TV only did a handful of Red Sox games (mostly Sunday afternoons or games against the New York Yankees); WSBK broadcast about 24 of the 30 or so over-the-air TV games that year. The next year, all of the about 30 over-the-air TV games were on WSBK.

It is my understanding that the team abandoned over-the-air TV was that they are the majority owner of the New England Sports Network (NESN), and that by 2006, the team discovered that they could make more money by keeping the 30 games that had been sold to WBZ/WSBK than sell-off the rights to 30 games a year for over-the-air TV.
 
Minnesota Twins

1961-1972: WTCN (Ind.)
1973-1974: WCCO (CBS)
1975-1978: WTCN (Ind.)
1979-1988: KMSP (ABC, then Ind., then Fox, then Ind.)
1989-1993: WCCO (CBS)/KITN (Fox)
1994-1997: WCCO (CBS)/KLGT (Ind., then WB)
1998-2003: KMSP (UPN, then Fox)
2004-2005: KSTC (Ind.)
2006-2010: WFTC (MyNet)

I didn't include the cable efforts. I'm a little murky on when KITN (now WFTC) dropped the package that went to KLGT. Your mileage may vary.
 
onairb said:
There was a recent post on the506.com Sports Broadcasting Forums(some people from here frequent that site, too) which mentioned the Pilots demanded too much money for TV rights, and so there was no TV deal..aside from a single telecast in September, from Boston(not sure which station carried it).
According to newspaper reports at the time, the Pilots were trying to sell a 20-game package at $15,000 per game. No one took the offer, so they dropped their price to $5,000. Another justification given by the stations was that interest in the team was so low, a preemption of network programming to air a Pilots game would have alienated too many viewers. KING-TV aired one road game from Detroit on a Sunday morning, August 31. Announcers were Joe Daggett, who called games for the minor-league Seattle Totems hockey team (and was later the sports anchor at WIS-TV in Columbia, S.C.), and Rod Belcher, KING-TV sports director. The game involving the Red Sox was an NBC Game of the Week that was blacked out in Seattle due to poor attendance.

The NBC game from Seattle would be interesting to see, if only for the awkward camera positions. When Sicks' Stadium was expanded for the Pilots, the baseline camera wells were replaced by seating. Photographers were relegated to the stadium roof. Any action photos of the Pilots at home are instantly recognizable because they were taken at an extremely sharp overhead angle.

KING was also the Mariners' television outlet for the scant number of games that aired their first five seasons, with KSTW taking over in 1982.

Going back to the heyday of Pacific Coast League baseball, the Seattle Rainiers made their TV debut on KRSC-TV (now KING) on April 12, 1949, and stayed on Channel 5 through 1953. (The microwave connection with the game failed midway through that first broadcast, by the way.) No games were televised in 1954.

Fledgling Tacoma independent station KTVW (now KCPQ) televised every Rainiers home game during their 1955 championship season and the two following years. As KTNT-TV (now KSTW) lost its CBS affiliation (for the first of three times) to KIRO-TV in 1958, it bulked up its schedule by adding Rainiers home games, which Channel 11 held through 1964. KTVW aired Tacoma Giants games during their inaugural PCL season in 1960 and then KTNT added them to their sports slate in 1962.

The Rainiers became the Seattle Angels in 1965 and games were aired on KING that year and KIRO in 1966. The final two years of Triple-A baseball in Seattle went untelevised except for road games in Tacoma that aired as part of the Cubs' package with KTNT. Apparently the Pilots killed off interest in Tacoma Cubs broadcasts, as they stopped after the 1968 season.

It would be interesting to see how other Pacific Coast League teams fared on television, particularly during the mid-'50s, when it was an "Open" classification -- a step higher than Triple-A.
 
Tim L said:
Cable
1982 TEN TV
1983 The Sports Exchange (Both failed local sports networks)

I totally forgot about TEN TV!

And I can't remember anything about The Sports Exchange.

BTW, for out of towners, SportsTime Ohio is commonly owned with the team.
 
T-K wrote:

KING-TV aired one road game (of the Seattle Pilots in 1969) from Detroit on a Sunday morning, August 31. Announcers were Joe Daggett, who called games for the minor-league Seattle Totems hockey team (and was later the sports anchor at WIS-TV in Columbia, S.C.), and Rod Belcher, KING-TV sports director. The game involving the Red Sox was an NBC Game of the Week that was blacked out in Seattle due to poor attendance.

Actually, from 1966 through 1983, NBC's Baseball Game Of The Week was never televised in the city the game was played in, nor in the visiting team's home market, or on any NBC stations with 50 miles of the two cities whose local teams were involved.

As an example, let's say that the NBC "Game Of The Week" one Saturday afternoon in the late 1970's featured two regional games: One (going to most of the network) between the Boston Red Sox and New York Yankees at Boston's Fenway Park; the other (the "backup game") game being the Chicago Cubs against the St. Louis Cardinals at Wrigley Field in Chicago.

The Boston/Yankees game could not be televised on either then-NBC affiliate WBZ-4 Boston or network flagship WNBC-4 New York. Under the "50 mile" rule, NBC affiliate WJAR-10 Providence couldn't carry the game either.

However, that game was televised on the respective local TV flagship stations of the time, WSBK-38 in Boston and WPIX-11 in New York. The then-Providence area affiliate for WSBK's Red Sox games, WTEV-6 in New Bedford/Providence, also carried the WSBK feed.

Likewise, WMAQ-5 and KSD-5 in St. Louis (or other NBC stations within 50 miles of these cities) couldn't televise the Cubs/St. Louis game. They were the ones that carried Boston and the Yankees. But WGN-9 Chicago and KPLR-11 in St. Louis could carry the game.

If there was a rainout in Boston, WMAQ, KSD, and any NBC stations within 50 miles of those cities (WNDU-16 South Bend??) would not get any game. Everyone else would get the Cubs and St. Louis.
 
I remember a night in 1970 when WBZ-TV was caught flatfooted over the NBC/MLB rules.

Monday, June 22, 1970 Baltimore at Boston was the national game and NBC fed us San Diego at Houston. Houston was used often as the backup game because it was a dome.

The game in Houston was over in 1:50 minutes and Jim Simpson said good night from the Astrodome and then black......this is roughly at 10:25 Eastern. Going to Fenway was not an option as AT&T longlines would not even restore the main NBC feed until the game at Fenway ended.

We called NBC BOC and they said - sorry you are on your own. We found a 30 minute fill film to get us to 11 and news. Meanwhile the game continues at Fenway. We then asked NBC if they could feed us Carson at 11:30 on the still in place backup game circuit and they said impossible as NY only had 2 copies of the show and they would both run at the same time in case one of the VTR's died.

The game at Fenway finally ended and NBC said Carson would start at Midnight but we were on our own to fill.

Somebody in projection said I found a 28 minute fill and we put it on..........it was the second reel of a Tarzan movie.

Not a fun night to work in master control.






Joseph_Gallant said:
T-K wrote:

KING-TV aired one road game (of the Seattle Pilots in 1969) from Detroit on a Sunday morning, August 31. Announcers were Joe Daggett, who called games for the minor-league Seattle Totems hockey team (and was later the sports anchor at WIS-TV in Columbia, S.C.), and Rod Belcher, KING-TV sports director. The game involving the Red Sox was an NBC Game of the Week that was blacked out in Seattle due to poor attendance.

Actually, from 1966 through 1983, NBC's Baseball Game Of The Week was never televised in the city the game was played in, nor in the visiting team's home market, or on any NBC stations with 50 miles of the two cities whose local teams were involved.

As an example, let's say that the NBC "Game Of The Week" one Saturday afternoon in the late 1970's featured two regional games: One (going to most of the network) between the Boston Red Sox and New York Yankees at Boston's Fenway Park; the other (the "backup game") game being the Chicago Cubs against the St. Louis Cardinals at Wrigley Field in Chicago.

The Boston/Yankees game could not be televised on either then-NBC affiliate WBZ-4 Boston or network flagship WNBC-4 New York. Under the "50 mile" rule, NBC affiliate WJAR-10 Providence couldn't carry the game either.

However, that game was televised on the respective local TV flagship stations of the time, WSBK-38 in Boston and WPIX-11 in New York. The then-Providence area affiliate for WSBK's Red Sox games, WTEV-6 in New Bedford/Providence, also carried the WSBK feed.

Likewise, WMAQ-5 and KSD-5 in St. Louis (or other NBC stations within 50 miles of these cities) couldn't televise the Cubs/St. Louis game. They were the ones that carried Boston and the Yankees. But WGN-9 Chicago and KPLR-11 in St. Louis could carry the game.

If there was a rainout in Boston, WMAQ, KSD, and any NBC stations within 50 miles of those cities (WNDU-16 South Bend??) would not get any game. Everyone else would get the Cubs and St. Louis.
 
Ultimajock said:
...what was the situation with the Toronto Blue Jays and the Montreal Expos?...

Montreal and Toronto never had local TV as such. The Expos were on CBC for 20 years (1969-1989) The Blue Jays used both CBC and CTV.

In the case of Montreal there were about 60 games total televised each season - half in English the other half in French.

In 1984 the Jays started TSN ( both were owned by Labatt )

On the rare occasion that Montreal or Toronto was involved on the main NBC game - the Buffalo and Plattsburgh stations were allowed to beam the games into Toronto and Montreal. The CBC games in turn could be seen in Seattle, Detroit, Buffalo and northern New England.

For many years the Red Sox were available on Montreal cable as channel 22 in Vermont was on the Montreal system and they carried the WSBK feed and later WSBK became a superstation in Canada because of baseball and hockey.
 
Sidebar story (with apologies for the slight veer)....

On a spring biz trip to Montreal in the mid-90s, I wanted to catch a Cubs-Expos game. My hotel didn't have the channel that was carrying the game. So....I figured my best bet was to go across the freeway to a sports bar. Sure enough....22 TVs there and the game was on. On just ONE of those 22 TVs! Meanwhile the Jays game was on 6 TVs. (This was in West Island....an English-speaking part of town). The other 15 TVs had hockey....including minor league games!

And yes....during those days when I'd be in Canada 3-4 times each year on business, I got used to sometimes watching...and even listening to...ballgames in French!
 
wtxf29fan788 said:
Philadelphia Phillies:

1948: WPTZ-TV and WCAU-TV
1949-54: WPTZ-TV, WCAU-TV and WFIL-TV
1955: WPTZ-TV and WCAU-TV
1956-57: WRCV-TV and WFIL-TV
1958: WRCV-TV and WVUE-TV
1959-70: WFIL-TV
1971-80: WPHL-TV
1981-82: WPHL-TV and PRISM
1983-92: WTAF/WTXF-TV and PRISM
1993-97: WPHL-TV and PRISM
1998: WPHL-TV and Comcast SportsNet
1999-2008: WPSG-TV and Comcast SportsNet
2009-Current: WPHL-TV and Comcast SportsNet
SportsChannel Philadelphia carried Phillies games from 1990-97.
 
crainbebo said:
Seattle Mariners here started [IIRC] on KSTW 11, then moved to KIRO 7 [station in 1995 when the Mariners won the AL West], then KSTW again [Fox Sports Northwest also in the mix], and now it is exclusively on Root Sports.
-crainbebo
Ah yes, the Seattle Mariners, but which station broadcast the Seattle PILOTS ??
 
cyberdad said:
wtxf29fan788 said:
Philadelphia Phillies:

1949-54: WPTZ-TV, WCAU-TV and WFIL-TV
Dick Clark wrote in his book "Rock Roll & Remember" that in his pre-Bandstand days as a WFIL staff announcer, one of his duties during the 7th inning stretch was a live on-air sampling of the beer sponsor's product. I don't recall the exact details, but apparently the contract called for a live repeat of the commercial at pre-determined intervals if the game went into extra innings. According to Clark, this made for some very interesting broadcasting if the game ran especially long!
On-Air guzzling was a trademark of the late NY Yankee play-by-play man, Mel Allen as well. The sponsor was Ballantine Beer.
 
jfrancispastirchak said:
On-Air guzzling was a trademark of the late NY Yankee play-by-play man, Mel Allen as well. The sponsor was Ballantine Beer.

Harry Caray was (in)famous for this during his years with the White Sox. The sponsor for much of his time there was Falstaff. That stopped when Stroh's replaced Falstaff as the Sox beer sponsor, and I don't remember him doing any beer commercials live during his time with the Cubs.
 
KeithE4 said:
jfrancispastirchak said:
On-Air guzzling was a trademark of the late NY Yankee play-by-play man, Mel Allen as well.  The sponsor was Ballantine Beer.

Harry Caray was (in)famous for this during his years with the White Sox.  The sponsor for much of his time there was Falstaff.  That stopped when Stroh's replaced Falstaff as the Sox beer sponsor, and I don't remember him doing any beer commercials live during his time with the Cubs.

My understanding is that Caray and Allen enjoyed the on-air quaffing.  Although Caray was a frequent Budweiser spokesman, I also don't believe he did any live commercials for Bud.  I have it on unimpeachable eyewitness authority, however, that Caray was known to occasionally have a pop or two during a Cubs broadcast....at least during the beginning of his Cubs tenure before his 1987 stroke.

As for Dick Clark (a man not adverse to having a cocktail or two), the way he discribes his helping out with Phillies broadcasts, he was not particularly fond of his on-air baseball telecast duties.  Of course, during his time in Philly, Clark became a close friend of Ed McMahon....who went on to become perhaps the greatest live on-air beer pitchman of all time!
 
Harry did a lot of filmed commercials for Bud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv03Be4iayg


cyberdad said:
KeithE4 said:
jfrancispastirchak said:
On-Air guzzling was a trademark of the late NY Yankee play-by-play man, Mel Allen as well. The sponsor was Ballantine Beer.

Harry Caray was (in)famous for this during his years with the White Sox. The sponsor for much of his time there was Falstaff. That stopped when Stroh's replaced Falstaff as the Sox beer sponsor, and I don't remember him doing any beer commercials live during his time with the Cubs.

My understanding is that Caray and Allen enjoyed the on-air quaffing. Although Caray was a frequent Budweiser spokesman, I also don't believe he did any live commercials for Bud. I have it on unimpeachable eyewitness authority, however, that Caray was known to occasionally have a pop or two during a Cubs broadcast....at least during the beginning of his Cubs tenure before his 1987 stroke.

As for Dick Clark (a man not adverse to having a cocktail or two), the way he discribes his helping out with Phillies broadcasts, he was not particularly fond of his on-air baseball telecast duties. Of course, during his time in Philly, Clark became a close friend of Ed McMahon....who went on to become perhaps the greatest live on-air beer pitchman of all time!
 
Here in the Charleston area we haven't had that many OTA local games air. Recently, the Braves had a 15 or 20 game syndicated package aired on WMMP (UPN) or WTAT (FOX) in '98 and '99.
 
I thought that the 30 or so games of the old Montreal Expos televised in each language annually were the same games, meaning 30 games were televised, both in English and French.

I also thought that apart from opening day (and the home opener if the team opened on the road), telecasts for the Expos were on Wednesday nights once hockey playoffs ended along with some holiday games (Victoria Day, Canada Day, Labour Day).
 
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