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Local stations that you hate.

What local stations do you guys hate or have hated in the past? I hated WTLV Channel 12 in Jacksonville, FL because I didn't like their First Coast promo from the early to mid 90's also I hated them from pre-empting Caesars Challenge with Montel Willams I thing and the biggest reason is because they pre-empted NBC's Saturday Morning lineup in 1992 for Good Morning Jacksonville which I hated because of the kids and people saying Good Morning Jacksonville right after commercial breaks, I had to watch NBC's Saturday Morning lineup on WESH Channel 2 in Orlando, FL until it was replaced by the Saturday edition of the Today Show. What are your or was your most hated local stations?
 
I hated WOR TV Channel 9 as a kid. I wondered what good they were. Jim & Tammy, Jimmy Swaggart, Joe Franklin, Romper Room, and Straight Talk occupied mornings till noon, then a newscast and then some 50's or 60's or early 70's movie then some drama show and then another movie then game shows. Prime Time was the movies and sports ranging from Mets to Nets to Knicks to rangers to Islanders. More often than not they did have sports in prime time. Late nights were drama shows and movies. WOR TV Had NO sitcoms to speak of except maybe Life Of Riley from 1976 to 1984 when they got Bewitched, Jeannie, Partridge Family, Bilko, and Burns & Allen. WOR TV I think had cartoons Saturday Mornings. The rest of the time old movies and sports and drama shows and horse racing and wrestling. They did have religion Sundays from 7 AM to 1 PM and again after 10 PM. But WOR TV was my least favorite station.

Did not care for NBC affiliates KYW 3 Philadelphia and WBZ TV Boston - NOTORIOUS for preempting NBC shows that had mediocre to low ratings. In Boston WBZ did not even run Another World after 1981. I felt sorry for NBC Viewers in Boston. At least in Philly they had either WNBC TV on Cable or WGAL Landcaster to the west. WBAL TV was almosta s bad as KYw often preempting some of the same shows so people living in Delaware or Northeast Maryland were also out of luch for some NBC shows.
 
As a kid I found it better to watch ABC on WGHP High Point, NC
than on my own affiliate, WRAL Raleigh, a station that must have
pre-empted at least an hour and a half in the daytime; pre-empted
half of ABC's Thursday-night lineup (at least I had left the Triangle
by the time "Batman" debuted or I'd have had to wait until Friday
to see the conclusion which aired on ABC the previous night); and
delayed "Wide World Of Sports" in order to get in wrestling and country-
music shows. (And if I had known prior to the '70s that WGHP was cloning
my favorite station, WXIA, I'd have watched it even more.)

WBRC Birmingham, however, is my least favorite; not only did it pre-empt
something from ABC practically every night except Tuesday (the "Mod Squad"/
"Movie Of The Week"/"Marcus Welby, M.D." combo was just too strong in the
early '70s), they'd find the cheapest old programs (Westerns, mostly, but also
things like "Third Man"). Their newscast also looked like it hadn't changed since
the '50s.
 
Markd said:
Did not care for NBC affiliates KYW 3 Philadelphia and WBZ TV Boston - NOTORIOUS for preempting NBC shows that had mediocre to low ratings. In Boston WBZ did not even run Another World after 1981. I felt sorry for NBC Viewers in Boston. At least in Philly they had either WNBC TV on Cable or WGAL Landcaster to the west. WBAL TV was almosta s bad as KYw often preempting some of the same shows so people living in Delaware or Northeast Maryland were also out of luch for some NBC shows.

I'm going to defend WBZ because when they preempted programming they usually ran local news or talk (such as "People are Talking") in its place. Either WLLH or WMFP would carry Another World and other bumped shows. Plus a large part of the viewing area could pull in WJAR Providence and see the whole NBC lineup.

What makes a station good or bad is in the eye of the beholder, so I'm not angry if anyone disagrees with me. Network programs bumped by WBZ never bothered me that much.
 
As a kid, KPIX 5 in San Francisco(CBS affiliate then owned by Westinghouse) and KRON 4 (then-NBC affiliate owned by Chronicle Broadcasting) pre-empted some Saturday morning shows, and occasionally prime-time programming. KRON at least substituted a kids' show I liked, but KPIX usually didn't have anything good on in place of network shows. They were also notorious for pre-empting two hours of CBS daytime($25,000 Pyramid, Press Your Luck, Price is Right) for Hour Magazine, and the crappy local People Are Talking.
Gradually, KPIX cut back on pre-emptions, bringing back 'TPIR' around the time CBS and Westinghouse merged, and KRON got worse, before NBC switched to KNTV a decade ago.
 
edward1978 said:
What local stations do you guys hate or have hated in the past? I hated WTLV Channel 12 in Jacksonville, FL because I didn't like their First Coast promo from the early to mid 90's also I hated them from pre-empting Caesars Challenge with Montel Willams I thing and the biggest reason is because they pre-empted NBC's Saturday Morning lineup in 1992 for Good Morning Jacksonville which I hated because of the kids and people saying Good Morning Jacksonville right after commercial breaks, I had to watch NBC's Saturday Morning lineup on WESH Channel 2 in Orlando, FL until it was replaced by the Saturday edition of the Today Show. What are your or was your most hated local stations?

How did you like WTLV when it was an ABC affiliate? Were you ever forced to watch WFTV when you wanted to see something from the Alphabet network? (As for me, when I lived in Tampa I had little problem getting ABC or NBC shows, but then-CBS affiliate WTVT was pre-emption happy, especially in daytime; we didn't get "The Joker's Wild," "The Young And The Restless," or "Tattletales" when I lived there; Ch. 13 also pre-empted CBS's Saturday newscast. For me, the least pre-emption happy stations were KDFW, KXAS, and WFAA in Dallas/Ft. Worth in the late '70s, even if we did have to tolerate WFAA's pre-empting
"American Bandstand.")
 
Although I won't say I hate these stations, here the actions of some of them that I've hated:

WMC in Memphis from the late 70's to the 90's when they were notorious for pre-empting and delaying NBC programming all through the day

WKNO in Memphis and WLJT in Lexington, TN (both PBS) for their begathon tactics

WLJT for dropping The Red Green Show last year

WBBJ in Jackson, TN for picking up Me TV and then only using it for filler on their CBS 7.3 subchannel and doing nothing in the past year to make it full time

Virtually all commercial stations that run infomercials :p
 
These days, pretty much all of them. Nothing is as good as I remember coming up. Of course, that's a gripe about the business in general.

In the past? Umm, I never was big on indies that started up back in the Eighties and have never cared for FOX stations, whether O&Os or affils. I always associated them with a downscale, lower-class audience (read: "hardhats" and "rednecks") whose tastes were so reactionary that they wanted old-fashioned stuff like reruns and movies all the time. I always thought when I was in middle and high school, "man, why don't those non-network stations get with the times? Gunsmoke, Twilight Zone, and Duke Wayne flicks are old hat, everybody's seen them several dozen times over the years. Why do I have to sit through that stuff just because old folks like it?" Of course, I didn't know squat about the business models those stations used, that originality took a back seat to low costs, unlike the network affils.

Boy, how age changes you. Nowadays we clamor for those "good old days" with the likes of RTV, Antenna TV, and what-have-you on the digital subchannels. They're the closest things on the tube right now to the old indies.

P.S. Strangely enough, though, I never regarded "superstations" like TBS and WGN in that same way, because at least they had sports coverage and some original programming to boost their rerun- and movie-laden skeds back in the day. For medium-to-small markets, you had to hope the UHF indies in those places had syndie packages of, say, college basketball or the regional network of the closest MLB team. FOX and the cable revolution pretty much killed all of that.
 
I'd also add stations that allowed daytime TV to turn into trash talk, courtroom shows, and infomercials, which is just about all of them. But a lot of the blame goes on to the networks, especially NBC, letting local stations get away with pre-emptions, and eventually giving the time back to local stations. :-\
 
anotherguy said:
I'd also add stations that allowed daytime TV to turn into trash talk, courtroom shows, and infomercials, which is just about all of them. But a lot of the blame goes on to the networks, especially NBC, letting local stations get away with pre-emptions, and eventually giving the time back to local stations. :-\

I agree, Local stations pre-empting is what probably caused the death of network daytime game shows, I know that WJXT pre-emped Family Feud and Daytime Wheel of Fortune in late 1990 for Geraldo, and WTLV pre-empted Caesars Challenge for Montel Williams. The only network daytime game show that I got to watch since I had graduated from high school in 1996 was The Price Is Right with ol' Bob until the current revival of Let's Make A Deal premiered in 2009, and since then the network has been giving us stupid, lame, pointless talk shows such as The Talk, The Chew, The Revolution and such instead of seeing more game shows. If I were the head of a network back in the 80's and 90's I would ban affiliates from pre-empting newtork programming. I have never got to see network daytime game shows in all of it's glory back in the 80's because of school, and could only watch them when I had a day off from school or during the summer when school was out. I have always wanted to see network daytime game shows make a comeback since I had graduated from high school. :mad: What do you guys think.
 
I think "hate" would be too strong a word, but.....

In Southeastern Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Eastern Connecticut, there's never been much love for New Bedford's WTEV/WLNE, Channel 6....especially when it came to the station's more than liberal pre-emption practices, especially in the 1960's through the 1980's.

As a rule of thumb....you could pretty much tell if a network show was "in trouble" if Channel 6 started pre-empting it, or carrying the show on a day-behind tape delay basis. One example of this that comes to mind was the long running CBS soap opera "Love of Life". Once the show got moved to 9 am weekdays...you KNEW the end was near. ;)
 
edward1978 said:
anotherguy said:
I'd also add stations that allowed daytime TV to turn into trash talk, courtroom shows, and infomercials, which is just about all of them. But a lot of the blame goes on to the networks, especially NBC, letting local stations get away with pre-emptions, and eventually giving the time back to local stations. :-\

I agree, Local stations pre-empting is what probably caused the death of network daytime game shows, I know that WJXT pre-emped Family Feud and Daytime Wheel of Fortune in late 1990 for Geraldo, and WTLV pre-empted Caesars Challenge for Montel Williams. The only network daytime game show that I got to watch since I had graduated from high school in 1996 was The Price Is Right with ol' Bob until the current revival of Let's Make A Deal premiered in 2009, and since then the network has been giving us stupid, lame, pointless talk shows such as The Talk, The Chew, The Revolution and such instead of seeing more game shows. If I were the head of a network back in the 80's and 90's I would ban affiliates from pre-empting newtork programming. I have never got to see network daytime game shows in all of it's glory back in the 80's because of school, and could only watch them when I had a day off from school or during the summer when school was out. I have always wanted to see network daytime game shows make a comeback since I had graduated from high school. :mad: What do you guys think.
I agree with you. Daytime network TV was already dying in the mid-90s, when the OJ trial pushed it further over the cliff. The best games were long gone, anyway. The last game shows that I followed with any regularity-Super Password and The $25,000 Pyramid-ended when I was in high school, and of the handful of early '90s games, the only one I might have watched, Classic Concentration was uncleared in my area(KRON) most of the time, and I was never home to watch when it was shown(KOFY). I lost interest in The Price is Right long before Bob Barker let his hair go gray, let alone when they went after the younger, college bakehead and bimbo demographics instead of the usual grandmas and housewives. And as for any post-Dawson version of Family Feud..BZZZZ!
 
In Boston, people with cable or a roof antenna that lived southwest of the city could pick up WJAR 10 for NBC shows. Most of the shows preempted by WBZ TV were on there if they were even decently rated. But a handfull of NBC shows did not run on either station. To the north though for NBC you were out of luck till you got north of manchester NH or near Portsmouth. At that point Channel 6 Portland ME began to come in. But in Manchester and Concord NH you were out of luck for the preempted shows from NBC. In western NH you had 31 WNNE which ran pretty much the entire NBC lineup.

Also in Boston you could till 1979 gte most preempted shows on 38 WSBK. From 1979 to August 1985, 68 WQTV ran all of the WBZ TV NBC preemptions withoput conflicting with WBZ's NBC shows. In September 1985 though WQTV dumped network rejects as they attempted to get more agressive shows. They failed and lost most programming at the end of December 1985. In January of 1986 WQTV reinstated preempted NBC shows and ran them till Christian Science Monitor flipped the station to Family Entertainment in April of 1987 (they flipped them to a cultural format in 1989). Then preempted NBC shows moved to WHLL TV 27 Worcester and remained there till 1993 when they moved to Channel 62. Still few people were aware of Channel 68 and only the people within 30 miles of Boston could get Channel 68.

WCVB was also as bad with ABC preemptions but 56 WLVI carried ABC rejects till 1981 and afyter that WQTV 68 till August 85 and again January 86 to April 87 - then TV 27 Worcester till 1995. After that WCVB began carrying nearly the entire ABC lineup as well. Also WMUR Manchester reached Boston and areas North and West and they carroed ABC's entire lineup till about 1993 when they began preempting some stuff in moderation till about 1996. South there was 12 in Providence and then 6 in providence from 1995 on.

So ABC viewers had it better than NBC viewers. I lived 60 miles northwest of Boston and I had WBZ as my only NBC station. 68 was neither offered on cable or could reach over the air while 38, 56, and 25 reached with ease plus they were on cable. So in parts of NH you were out of luck with preempted NBC shows.
 
I hate local stations pre-empting network programming with a passion because it killed network daytime game shows, and now the only way that network daytime game shows will ever return to their former greatness is for either The Talk, or The Chew to be cancelled or for NBC to cut The Today Show to either three or two hours, becuse quite frankily I don't think that the networks will never do away with it's last remaining soaps. I know that ABC moved General Hospital to the 2:00 AM timeslot previously occupied by The Revolution, and I think that ABC gave the 3:00 PM timeslot to the affiliates because WEAR in Pensacola is airing The Ricki Lake Show in that timeslot. I hope The Talk gets cancelled soon because one it was responsable for killing all hope for game show making a comeback on network daytime television started by the current version of Let's Make A Deal, and second I can't stand that blowhard Julie Chen.

Also IMO Bob Barker is also responsable for the death of network daytime game shows due to his animal rights advocacy, probably because every other network daytime game show that offered prizes other than TPIR were offering fur coats has prizes. You guys know where Bob stood on fur coats such as banning then on TPIR and banning the re-airing of past TPIR episodes where fur coats where offered as prizes including the first TPIR episode, and it's most likely why we don't see episodes of TPIR on GSN any more. What do you guys think.
 
ABC gave the 3p timeslot back to the affiliates because Katie Couric wanted that time. Yes she signed a deal with ABC but they syndicate her show. Why they just didn't make it a network show I'll never know.

I thought about what I liked about game shows back in the 70s. I seemed to favor the celebrity-based shows (with probably the exception of Let's Make a Deal). Which celebrity today would be another Paul Lynde or Richard Dawson? I can't think of many with the wits to handle zingers and comebacks, even if scripted.
 
I agree the word "hate" is too strong for expressing dislike for a local TV station. Even though I don't hate WEAR-TV in Pensacola, Florida, I do not like their practice of broadcasting each segment of "Jimmy Kimmel Live" and "Nightline" about 30 minutes after ABC provides them through their live network feed. I also did not like their refusal to broadcast the "World News Saturday" and "World News Sunday" over the course of several years until 2011 (they started broadcasting "World News Saturday" regularly in January 2011 and started broadcasting "World News Sunday" regularly in September 2011).

In response to the comment about Bob Barker, I do not believe his advocacy for animals other than humans killed other network game shows and I do not believe he banned certain editions of "The Price is Right" from being broadcast again. As for why the Game Show Network no longer has past editions of "The Price is Right" on their programming schedule: they lost the rights to the program years ago and getting those rights back is a great challenge.
 
edward1978 said:
I hate local stations pre-empting network programming with a passion because it killed network daytime game shows, and now the only way that network daytime game shows will ever return to their former greatness is for either The Talk, or The Chew to be cancelled or for NBC to cut The Today Show to either three or two hours, becuse quite frankily I don't think that the networks will never do away with it's last remaining soaps. I know that ABC moved General Hospital to the 2:00 AM timeslot previously occupied by The Revolution, and I think that ABC gave the 3:00 PM timeslot to the affiliates because WEAR in Pensacola is airing The Ricki Lake Show in that timeslot. I hope The Talk gets cancelled soon because one it was responsable for killing all hope for game show making a comeback on network daytime television started by the current version of Let's Make A Deal, and second I can't stand that blowhard Julie Chen.

Also IMO Bob Barker is also responsable for the death of network daytime game shows due to his animal rights advocacy, probably because every other network daytime game show that offered prizes other than TPIR were offering fur coats has prizes. You guys know where Bob stood on fur coats such as banning then on TPIR and banning the re-airing of past TPIR episodes where fur coats where offered as prizes including the first TPIR episode, and it's most likely why we don't see episodes of TPIR on GSN any more. What do you guys think.

Didn't Bob Barker also only allow cars from the old Big 3 to be offered as prizes?
 
Another factor in the decline of network daytime game shows is when most soaps expanded to 1 hour. The networks had to get time from somewhere and in most cases game shows were the victims.

The greatest time for daytime game shows was probably the early or mid-70's. Expansion of soaps was probably the beginning of the decline, followed by local stations' pre-emptions, and finally the networks caving in and giving time back to the stations rather than pushing for the stations to stay with the schedule.
 
I have to agree with you, anotherguy. First, the affiliates took back
4 PM, then most added noon newscasts (pushing "Jeopardy!," "Password,"
and the then-new "Young And The Restless" to other times), then came
the loss of 10-11 AM to Phil and Sally Jessy. Now only CBS programs anywhere
near a full day of shows (if you get "Let's Make A Deal" in the afternoon, as we do);
NBC has only the "Today" show and "Days Of Our Lives." Let's make a comparison
between 40 years ago and today (in 1973 there were 34 daytime shows and no hour
soaps; today there are nine, not counting "Today," "Good Morning America," and "CBS
This Morning"):

ABC: 10 shows:
2 sitcoms ("Bewitched," replaced by "The Brady Bunch" in July; "Love, American Style")
5 games ("Password," "Split Second," "Let's Make A Deal," "The Newlywed Game," "The
Dating Game," replaced by the reality show "The Girl In My Life" in July)
3 soaps ("All My Children," "General Hospital," "One Life To Live")

CBS: 12 shows:
(CBS had the "CBS Morning News" and "Captain Kangaroo," but I'll confine this to
10 AM-4:30 PM)

5 games ("Joker's Wild," "Pyramid"(debuted March 26)," "Gambit," "Price Is Right," "Hollywood's Talking"
(replaced by "Match Game" in July))
7 soaps ("Love Of Life," "Young And The Restless" (which replaced "Where The Heart Is"
in March), "Search For Tomorrow," "As The World Turns," "Guiding Light," "Edge Of Night,"
"Secret Storm")

NBC: 12 shows:

6 games ("Concentration" (replaced by "Baffle" in March), "Sale Of The Century"
(replaced by Alex Trebek's "Wizard Of Odds" in July), "Hollywood Squares," "Jeopardy!,"
"Who, What Or Where," "Three On A Match")
5 soaps ("Days Of Our Lives," "The Doctors," "Another World," "Return To Peyton Place,"
"Somerset")
1 talk show ("Dinah's Place")


Today there are only nine, not counting the early-morning shows:

ABC: 3 shows ("The View," "The Chew," "General Hospital")

CBS: 5 shows ("The Price Is Right," "The Young And The Restless," "The Bold And The
Beautiful," "The Talk," "Let's Make A Deal")

NBC: 1 show ("Days Of Our Lives")

And where do the ratings seem to be going? To Judge Judy, Maury, Jerry, and the other
staples of Fox stations during the day.

Think about all this.
 
anotherguy said:
Although I won't say I hate these stations, here the actions of some of them that I've hated:
WMC in Memphis from the late 70's to the 90's when they were notorious for pre-empting and delaying NBC programming all through the day
And WPSD of Paducah was just about as bad for pre-emptions at night. Bumping even must-see Thursday (which was Cosby, Family Ties, Cheers, and Night Court back then!) for UK basketball. And I have still never forgiven them for delaying Saturday Night Live by an hour for close to 20 years! I was too young to stay up that late back then, and we didn't have a VCR yet.
WBBJ in Jackson, TN for picking up Me TV and then only using it for filler on their CBS 7.3 subchannel and doing nothing in the past year to make it full time
Interestingly enough, I actually liked most of channel 7's pre-emptions back in the day. They bumped Soap for The Gong Show, which I couldn't see at its regular time, because I was not home from school yet. And it seemed like they routinely pre-empted prime-time programming in the '80s to show Solid Gold. So it seemed like they were programming more for kids and teenagers than for adults.
 
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