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Long Island Radio!
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jack
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Say what you will about JACK-FM, Jimi...But I have to call you on your line about "fine tuned audience magnets" (WLIR, PARTY and THE BONE).
>
Say what you will about JACK-FM, Jimi...But I have to call you on your line about "fine tuned audience magnets" (WLIR, PARTY and THE BONE).
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> >
> Say what you will about JACK-FM, Jimi...But I have to call
> you on your line about "fine tuned audience magnets" (WLIR,
> PARTY and THE BONE).
> Sorry, Jack,I really would like to enjoy the new CBS FM, and the concept in "theory" ain't bad;
but the programming choices for NY suck; and obviously, I'm not the only person who feels that way...and the TMO stations are, from where I'm sitting, on a roll....
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by lalumia on 04/12/06 01:27 PM.</FONT></P>
> >
> Say what you will about JACK-FM, Jimi...But I have to call
> you on your line about "fine tuned audience magnets" (WLIR,
> PARTY and THE BONE).
> Sorry, Jack,I really would like to enjoy the new CBS FM, and the concept in "theory" ain't bad;
but the programming choices for NY suck; and obviously, I'm not the only person who feels that way...and the TMO stations are, from where I'm sitting, on a roll....
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by lalumia on 04/12/06 01:27 PM.</FONT></P>
J
jack
Guest
> > Sorry, Jack,I really would like to enjoy the new CBS FM,
> and the concept in "theory" ain't bad;
> but the programming choices for NY suck; and obviously, I'm
> not the only person who feels that way...and the TMO
> stations are, from where I'm sitting, on a roll....
Jimi, I am the first to admit that putting JACK on WCBS-FM was the wrong choice. Hell, I knew that several hours before anyone working there did. CBS-Radio (then Infinity) chose that move. I think WNEW or WXRK would have worked much better (and without the grief). However, for WNEW it would have been seen as "format #8 or 9" in three years. 92.3 could have been JACK after Howard in the morning (worked in several other markets including Buffalo) and given the station something to work with after Stern left.
Give a listen to what Brian Thomas, the new PD is doing now and I think you'll agree that it sounds better (and more like the other 42 JACKs in North America).
As to TMO, I hope that all three stations do well for them. Seriously. But "audience magnets"?
> and the concept in "theory" ain't bad;
> but the programming choices for NY suck; and obviously, I'm
> not the only person who feels that way...and the TMO
> stations are, from where I'm sitting, on a roll....
Jimi, I am the first to admit that putting JACK on WCBS-FM was the wrong choice. Hell, I knew that several hours before anyone working there did. CBS-Radio (then Infinity) chose that move. I think WNEW or WXRK would have worked much better (and without the grief). However, for WNEW it would have been seen as "format #8 or 9" in three years. 92.3 could have been JACK after Howard in the morning (worked in several other markets including Buffalo) and given the station something to work with after Stern left.
Give a listen to what Brian Thomas, the new PD is doing now and I think you'll agree that it sounds better (and more like the other 42 JACKs in North America).
As to TMO, I hope that all three stations do well for them. Seriously. But "audience magnets"?
> > > Sorry, Jack,I really would like to enjoy the new CBS FM,
>
> > and the concept in "theory" ain't bad;
> > but the programming choices for NY suck; and obviously,
> I'm
> > not the only person who feels that way...and the TMO
> > stations are, from where I'm sitting, on a roll....
>
> Jimi, I am the first to admit that putting JACK on WCBS-FM
> was the wrong choice. Hell, I knew that several hours
> before anyone working there did. CBS-Radio (then Infinity)
> chose that move. I think WNEW or WXRK would have worked much
> better (and without the grief). However, for WNEW it would
> have been seen as "format #8 or 9" in three years. 92.3
> could have been JACK after Howard in the morning (worked in
> several other markets including Buffalo) and given the
> station something to work with after Stern left.
>
> Give a listen to what Brian Thomas, the new PD is doing now
> and I think you'll agree that it sounds better (and more
> like the other 42 JACKs in North America).
>
> As to TMO, I hope that all three stations do well for them.
> Seriously. But "audience magnets"?
>
I will listen today Jack:I like you and admire you tremendously, but I am passionate about radio, and the innate energy that makes people choose radio over their i pod,seems to be lacking in so many projects these days.
We live in a "fame,celebrity" obsessed world these days;potential radio listners live in that same world; that's why Stern is such big news, he's a carefully cultivated ""STAR""".Radio needs to play to it's strengths; ipods and cd players don't have 'tour guides'/personalities.Radio does,and needs to stop retreating from that weapon.
I will listen to CBS FM today and report back to you;
as to 'magnets:"Currently, the new Party 105 is passing the parking lot test,which is for me,the ultimate ratings service.In the past month, more often than not, when I get out of my car at the supermarket,Block Buster,etc,as I walk to the store, I pay attention to other vehicles that are still running ,with their windows open;Party 105 has been pouring out of those windows everywhere, or so it seems;The Bone has been enjoying a similar re birth,LIR as well.
>
> > and the concept in "theory" ain't bad;
> > but the programming choices for NY suck; and obviously,
> I'm
> > not the only person who feels that way...and the TMO
> > stations are, from where I'm sitting, on a roll....
>
> Jimi, I am the first to admit that putting JACK on WCBS-FM
> was the wrong choice. Hell, I knew that several hours
> before anyone working there did. CBS-Radio (then Infinity)
> chose that move. I think WNEW or WXRK would have worked much
> better (and without the grief). However, for WNEW it would
> have been seen as "format #8 or 9" in three years. 92.3
> could have been JACK after Howard in the morning (worked in
> several other markets including Buffalo) and given the
> station something to work with after Stern left.
>
> Give a listen to what Brian Thomas, the new PD is doing now
> and I think you'll agree that it sounds better (and more
> like the other 42 JACKs in North America).
>
> As to TMO, I hope that all three stations do well for them.
> Seriously. But "audience magnets"?
>
I will listen today Jack:I like you and admire you tremendously, but I am passionate about radio, and the innate energy that makes people choose radio over their i pod,seems to be lacking in so many projects these days.
We live in a "fame,celebrity" obsessed world these days;potential radio listners live in that same world; that's why Stern is such big news, he's a carefully cultivated ""STAR""".Radio needs to play to it's strengths; ipods and cd players don't have 'tour guides'/personalities.Radio does,and needs to stop retreating from that weapon.
I will listen to CBS FM today and report back to you;
as to 'magnets:"Currently, the new Party 105 is passing the parking lot test,which is for me,the ultimate ratings service.In the past month, more often than not, when I get out of my car at the supermarket,Block Buster,etc,as I walk to the store, I pay attention to other vehicles that are still running ,with their windows open;Party 105 has been pouring out of those windows everywhere, or so it seems;The Bone has been enjoying a similar re birth,LIR as well.
A
Avalon
Guest
> www.goodtimesmag.com/937_jpegs/937_rhythmtracking.jpg
>
Is this a parody, or is this serious radio journalism?
I can't figure it out. The TMO stations are "fine-tuned audience magnets"?
Hot 97 is on the decline on Long Island?
The TMO stations are an example to follow?
You actually stand behind these statements?
>
Is this a parody, or is this serious radio journalism?
I can't figure it out. The TMO stations are "fine-tuned audience magnets"?
Hot 97 is on the decline on Long Island?
The TMO stations are an example to follow?
You actually stand behind these statements?
> > www.goodtimesmag.com/937_jpegs/937_rhythmtracking.jpg
> >
>
>
>
> Is this a parody, or is this serious radio journalism?
> I can't figure it out. The TMO stations are "fine-tuned
> audience magnets"?
> Hot 97 is on the decline on Long Island?
> The TMO stations are an example to follow?
> You actually stand behind these statements?
>
It's an opinions column; get one for yourself,and you can state your judgements.
The TMO stations have now pin pointed their audiences,and seem to have found them;
Hot 97 never really ruled on Long Island in the first place:
The TMO stations are turning out to be magnets for the particular audiences that they're designed for.
> >
>
>
>
> Is this a parody, or is this serious radio journalism?
> I can't figure it out. The TMO stations are "fine-tuned
> audience magnets"?
> Hot 97 is on the decline on Long Island?
> The TMO stations are an example to follow?
> You actually stand behind these statements?
>
It's an opinions column; get one for yourself,and you can state your judgements.
The TMO stations have now pin pointed their audiences,and seem to have found them;
Hot 97 never really ruled on Long Island in the first place:
The TMO stations are turning out to be magnets for the particular audiences that they're designed for.
R
radiorad
Guest
I just looked at your article. You referred to JACK FM as "a hostless collection of nameless, faceless records". Although I'd love to see Party make it, in reality, that's exactly what Party105 is.
Andre is there, with some mixshow hosts dropping by, but Andre's airshifts are voicetracked. On top of that, 90% of the music is not easily recognized by people who don't DJ in clubs. You can listen to Party from 6am to 6pm, and hear 20 or 30 songs without knowing who the artists are. And Dre, a great guy, just jumps on and jumps off. He may be there, but there is no personality on that station. It seems to me that Party only exists to get club advertising. I hear Andre's recorded mentions of the clubs that Party's at all week, and Kid Panic is hosting nearly all of them. When is his airshift?
You can love Party as much as you like, but it, as well as all the TMO radio properties are generally jockless, playing often unidentifiable music. This is obviously a very, er, "cost-efficient" way to run radio...just like JACK-FM.
I don't think you're helping radio by patting anybody on the back, even if they play your record. Think about this for a moment: You have often mentioned the genius of Vic Latino. The current Party 105 would never hire, support, encourage, and certainly never pay a personality like him now.
The Radish
Andre is there, with some mixshow hosts dropping by, but Andre's airshifts are voicetracked. On top of that, 90% of the music is not easily recognized by people who don't DJ in clubs. You can listen to Party from 6am to 6pm, and hear 20 or 30 songs without knowing who the artists are. And Dre, a great guy, just jumps on and jumps off. He may be there, but there is no personality on that station. It seems to me that Party only exists to get club advertising. I hear Andre's recorded mentions of the clubs that Party's at all week, and Kid Panic is hosting nearly all of them. When is his airshift?
You can love Party as much as you like, but it, as well as all the TMO radio properties are generally jockless, playing often unidentifiable music. This is obviously a very, er, "cost-efficient" way to run radio...just like JACK-FM.
I don't think you're helping radio by patting anybody on the back, even if they play your record. Think about this for a moment: You have often mentioned the genius of Vic Latino. The current Party 105 would never hire, support, encourage, and certainly never pay a personality like him now.
The Radish
Good points. One can argue that TMO is offering different flavors of Jack...for its dance, alternative and classic/active rock audiences.
I guess the difference there is that the formats are more or less focused, definitely more than Jack-FM in NYC is anyway.
By the way, I actually think that Jack-FM has been sounding even worse lately. I would tune in from time to time if I caught a song I liked, but it seems to me the sound has been getting even harder, and older, and personally I don't find it appealing. I also don't think it's the type of music that will reel in large audiences in the NYC area, not any more than any other tweak of the music that they've tried so far.
Just my two pesos.
> I just looked at your article. You referred to JACK FM as "a
> hostless collection of nameless, faceless records". Although
> I'd love to see Party make it, in reality, that's exactly
> what Party105 is.
>
> Andre is there, with some mixshow hosts dropping by, but
> Andre's airshifts are voicetracked. On top of that, 90% of
> the music is not easily recognized by people who don't DJ in
> clubs. You can listen to Party from 6am to 6pm, and hear 20
> or 30 songs without knowing who the artists are. And Dre, a
> great guy, just jumps on and jumps off. He may be there, but
> there is no personality on that station. It seems to me that
> Party only exists to get club advertising. I hear Andre's
> recorded mentions of the clubs that Party's at all week, and
> Kid Panic is hosting nearly all of them. When is his
> airshift?
>
> You can love Party as much as you like, but it, as well as
> all the TMO radio properties are generally jockless, playing
> often unidentifiable music. This is obviously a very, er,
> "cost-efficient" way to run radio...just like JACK-FM.
>
>
> I don't think you're helping radio by patting anybody on the
> back, even if they play your record. Think about this for a
> moment: You have often mentioned the genius of Vic Latino.
> The current Party 105 would never hire, support, encourage,
> and certainly never pay a personality like him now.
>
>
>
>
>
> The Radish
>
I guess the difference there is that the formats are more or less focused, definitely more than Jack-FM in NYC is anyway.
By the way, I actually think that Jack-FM has been sounding even worse lately. I would tune in from time to time if I caught a song I liked, but it seems to me the sound has been getting even harder, and older, and personally I don't find it appealing. I also don't think it's the type of music that will reel in large audiences in the NYC area, not any more than any other tweak of the music that they've tried so far.
Just my two pesos.
> I just looked at your article. You referred to JACK FM as "a
> hostless collection of nameless, faceless records". Although
> I'd love to see Party make it, in reality, that's exactly
> what Party105 is.
>
> Andre is there, with some mixshow hosts dropping by, but
> Andre's airshifts are voicetracked. On top of that, 90% of
> the music is not easily recognized by people who don't DJ in
> clubs. You can listen to Party from 6am to 6pm, and hear 20
> or 30 songs without knowing who the artists are. And Dre, a
> great guy, just jumps on and jumps off. He may be there, but
> there is no personality on that station. It seems to me that
> Party only exists to get club advertising. I hear Andre's
> recorded mentions of the clubs that Party's at all week, and
> Kid Panic is hosting nearly all of them. When is his
> airshift?
>
> You can love Party as much as you like, but it, as well as
> all the TMO radio properties are generally jockless, playing
> often unidentifiable music. This is obviously a very, er,
> "cost-efficient" way to run radio...just like JACK-FM.
>
>
> I don't think you're helping radio by patting anybody on the
> back, even if they play your record. Think about this for a
> moment: You have often mentioned the genius of Vic Latino.
> The current Party 105 would never hire, support, encourage,
> and certainly never pay a personality like him now.
>
>
>
>
>
> The Radish
>
> I just looked at your article. You referred to JACK FM as "a
> hostless collection of nameless, faceless records". Although
> I'd love to see Party make it, in reality, that's exactly
> what Party105 is.
>
> Andre is there, with some mixshow hosts dropping by, but
> Andre's airshifts are voicetracked. On top of that, 90% of
> the music is not easily recognized by people who don't DJ in
> clubs. You can listen to Party from 6am to 6pm, and hear 20
> or 30 songs without knowing who the artists are. And Dre, a
> great guy, just jumps on and jumps off. He may be there, but
> there is no personality on that station. It seems to me that
> Party only exists to get club advertising. I hear Andre's
> recorded mentions of the clubs that Party's at all week, and
> Kid Panic is hosting nearly all of them. When is his
> airshift?
>
> You can love Party as much as you like, but it, as well as
> all the TMO radio properties are generally jockless, playing
> often unidentifiable music. This is obviously a very, er,
> "cost-efficient" way to run radio...just like JACK-FM.
>
>
> I don't think you're helping radio by patting anybody on the
> back, even if they play your record. Think about this for a
> moment: You have often mentioned the genius of Vic Latino.
> The current Party 105 would never hire, support, encourage,
> and certainly never pay a personality like him now.
>
>
>
>
>
> The Radish
> The TMO stations now,at least,have focus,and real,identifiable people associated with the stations.The young Vic The Latino is a genius,and I should know; he grew up in Ronkonkoma,frequenting the Record Connection and picking my brain, on and off through the years(call me "Yoda".)He is a true star and super talent; however, he knows that our friendship didn't stop me from being critical of the station when I felt it needed it.the station is now closer to his original concept than it's been in years.
I am a fan of energy,and the 'energy' is alive and well in that neck of the woods;
the fact is, during the broadcast day, songs on Party are given a title and artist id, be it pre recorded or not,from an identifiable ,friendly voice,Andre.I happen to think this a great step in re generating the station,and of course, additional personalities would enhance the station, something that will probably happen if the success story grows.
As someone who has no problem giving a kick in the butt when I feel it's warranted(and I've given Party a few kicks in the butt in the past, even when Theo and Dennis The Menace were playing "The Anthem" and "Sorry No Requests"on their mix shows on Party),I also have no problem giving a pat on the back when ,in my opinion, it's warranted.
and that, as they say, is what makes a ball game.
> hostless collection of nameless, faceless records". Although
> I'd love to see Party make it, in reality, that's exactly
> what Party105 is.
>
> Andre is there, with some mixshow hosts dropping by, but
> Andre's airshifts are voicetracked. On top of that, 90% of
> the music is not easily recognized by people who don't DJ in
> clubs. You can listen to Party from 6am to 6pm, and hear 20
> or 30 songs without knowing who the artists are. And Dre, a
> great guy, just jumps on and jumps off. He may be there, but
> there is no personality on that station. It seems to me that
> Party only exists to get club advertising. I hear Andre's
> recorded mentions of the clubs that Party's at all week, and
> Kid Panic is hosting nearly all of them. When is his
> airshift?
>
> You can love Party as much as you like, but it, as well as
> all the TMO radio properties are generally jockless, playing
> often unidentifiable music. This is obviously a very, er,
> "cost-efficient" way to run radio...just like JACK-FM.
>
>
> I don't think you're helping radio by patting anybody on the
> back, even if they play your record. Think about this for a
> moment: You have often mentioned the genius of Vic Latino.
> The current Party 105 would never hire, support, encourage,
> and certainly never pay a personality like him now.
>
>
>
>
>
> The Radish
> The TMO stations now,at least,have focus,and real,identifiable people associated with the stations.The young Vic The Latino is a genius,and I should know; he grew up in Ronkonkoma,frequenting the Record Connection and picking my brain, on and off through the years(call me "Yoda".)He is a true star and super talent; however, he knows that our friendship didn't stop me from being critical of the station when I felt it needed it.the station is now closer to his original concept than it's been in years.
I am a fan of energy,and the 'energy' is alive and well in that neck of the woods;
the fact is, during the broadcast day, songs on Party are given a title and artist id, be it pre recorded or not,from an identifiable ,friendly voice,Andre.I happen to think this a great step in re generating the station,and of course, additional personalities would enhance the station, something that will probably happen if the success story grows.
As someone who has no problem giving a kick in the butt when I feel it's warranted(and I've given Party a few kicks in the butt in the past, even when Theo and Dennis The Menace were playing "The Anthem" and "Sorry No Requests"on their mix shows on Party),I also have no problem giving a pat on the back when ,in my opinion, it's warranted.
and that, as they say, is what makes a ball game.
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