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From Oberlin, Kansas to Carbon Hill, Alabama. Here's their justification from the major change application which was filed back in 2007: https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS...?appn=101213869&qnum=5240©num=1&exhcnum=1
As for distance, it's a move of about 825 miles.
As for distance, it's a move of about 825 miles.
jd said:
WTF?
And their old frequency is still on in Oberlin (91.3) Same wattage, but now a TRANSLATOR.
http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=K217CY&service=FX&status=L&hours=U
This is beneath contempt.....
Yes it is.
And it's one of the most twisted and disgusting abuses of the translator rules I have ever seen (on top of nearly every other EMF outlet.) When you take you station out of it's original community of license to some place 800+ miles away, you should not be rewarded by keeping that original COL frequency and turning it into translator. They voluntarily moved out of Oberlin (apparently it wasn't good enough to keep an originating station.) - That's it. Let the frequency open up to someone else.
And it's one of the most twisted and disgusting abuses of the translator rules I have ever seen (on top of nearly every other EMF outlet.) When you take you station out of it's original community of license to some place 800+ miles away, you should not be rewarded by keeping that original COL frequency and turning it into translator. They voluntarily moved out of Oberlin (apparently it wasn't good enough to keep an originating station.) - That's it. Let the frequency open up to someone else.
Seven years ago there was a convoluted proposal to upgrade an AM station in Cleburne TX (south of Fort Worth) that would have involved an even longer move than the one we've talked about. KCLE would have moved from 1140 to 1110, 250 watt daytimer KJSA in Mineral Wells (west of Fort Worth) would have moved from 1120 to 1200 and be relocated to suburban Minneapolis---that's right, the one in Minnesota---coupled with the move of KEOR in Atoka OK to suburban Tulsa and a frequency change from 1110 to 1120. Subsequent applications were revised and when the dust settled Cleburne stayed on 1140, the Atoka station switched to 1120 at their new home in Catoosa OK and Mineral Wells was switched from 1120 to 1110, eventually becoming a 50,000 watt daytimer with a rather potent signal into Dallas-Fort Worth. Call letters for all three stations have changed over time as well.
Pardon the lengthy details, but had that early application been approved the little station from Texas could have wound up over 875 miles away!
Pardon the lengthy details, but had that early application been approved the little station from Texas could have wound up over 875 miles away!
KVLZ has a CP to move from Sheridan, WY to Rochester Hills, MI (a suburb of Detroit). It's another K-LOVE station.
The farthest I can think of on commercial FM is WCXT/WHTS moving from Hart, MI (between Ludington and Muskegon) to Coopersville, MI (between Muskegon and Grand Rapids). Its facilities moved from east of Hart to between Fremont and Ravenna.
The farthest I can think of on commercial FM is WCXT/WHTS moving from Hart, MI (between Ludington and Muskegon) to Coopersville, MI (between Muskegon and Grand Rapids). Its facilities moved from east of Hart to between Fremont and Ravenna.
We're about to see two TV stations "move" from Wyoming and Nevada to "Delaware" and "New Jersey," which are really Philadelphia and New York City, respectively.
But let's call it what it is: none of these situations is really a "move" in any sense other than FCC paperwork. They're end-runs around rules that would otherwise keep companies from making moves they find economically advantageous. You or I may look at the prospect of a new full-power DTV channel 3 in New York City and think it's silly. Bob McAllan looked at it and saw a way to make some money. And when guys like Bob, who have access to the best DC lawyers in the business, see a way to make money, they'll work the FCC rules any way they can in order to get what they're after.
This sounds like I'm criticizing these moves. Actually, I'm not. In a cynical kind of a way, I think some of these "moves" are quite clever. The EMF "moves," in particular, turned out to be a sneaky way to get around a limit that the FCC imposed on the number of new noncomm stations that could be granted to each individual applicant out of applications filed back in the 2003 window. I believe the limit was 10 applications to a party - and someone at EMF was clever enough to figure out that by changing a couple of those "new station applications" to "moves," they could add a few more new signals to their portfolio.
It's all a shell game at this point, anyway: broadcasters have made it clear to the FCC that they want the FM dial packed as full as possible, one way or another. If the "KVLZ license" hadn't "moved" from Wyoming to Michigan, someone else would have filed for that same channel in Michigan and it would have filled up anyway. So what if on paper it appeared as a "move"? Not one piece of KVLZ's equipment was (or will be) actually picked up and moved from Wyoming to Michigan. No staffers will move - in this case, because there's no staff to move anyway. In the case of the TV "moves," none of the programming will stay the same, and why should it? It was just filler in Wyoming and Nevada, and it will probably be nothing more than infomercials in Philly and New York.
And so be it: this is what broadcasters apparently want, as expressed in their filings to the FCC and through their lobbyists in Washington. For going on 90 years now, we have had a regulatory system in which big commercial broadcasters get what they want in the end. Call me cynical - and I am - but none of this is anything new.
But let's call it what it is: none of these situations is really a "move" in any sense other than FCC paperwork. They're end-runs around rules that would otherwise keep companies from making moves they find economically advantageous. You or I may look at the prospect of a new full-power DTV channel 3 in New York City and think it's silly. Bob McAllan looked at it and saw a way to make some money. And when guys like Bob, who have access to the best DC lawyers in the business, see a way to make money, they'll work the FCC rules any way they can in order to get what they're after.
This sounds like I'm criticizing these moves. Actually, I'm not. In a cynical kind of a way, I think some of these "moves" are quite clever. The EMF "moves," in particular, turned out to be a sneaky way to get around a limit that the FCC imposed on the number of new noncomm stations that could be granted to each individual applicant out of applications filed back in the 2003 window. I believe the limit was 10 applications to a party - and someone at EMF was clever enough to figure out that by changing a couple of those "new station applications" to "moves," they could add a few more new signals to their portfolio.
It's all a shell game at this point, anyway: broadcasters have made it clear to the FCC that they want the FM dial packed as full as possible, one way or another. If the "KVLZ license" hadn't "moved" from Wyoming to Michigan, someone else would have filed for that same channel in Michigan and it would have filled up anyway. So what if on paper it appeared as a "move"? Not one piece of KVLZ's equipment was (or will be) actually picked up and moved from Wyoming to Michigan. No staffers will move - in this case, because there's no staff to move anyway. In the case of the TV "moves," none of the programming will stay the same, and why should it? It was just filler in Wyoming and Nevada, and it will probably be nothing more than infomercials in Philly and New York.
And so be it: this is what broadcasters apparently want, as expressed in their filings to the FCC and through their lobbyists in Washington. For going on 90 years now, we have had a regulatory system in which big commercial broadcasters get what they want in the end. Call me cynical - and I am - but none of this is anything new.
Interesting point Scott. I would have thought that if a station like the K-Love station were to move, they may well also want a translator, but if I understand right, you have to get a license in a certain auction, you can't just apply for a license whenever you want, so they move an existing stick to a new site. I certainly couldn't think of why they would move a full C facility that far out though. The longest commercial move I can think of is KMCQ's move from The Dales, OR to Covington, WA, filling the last high powered slot in the Seattle area.
bobdavcav said:
But for that, KMCQ had to cause a big international shakeup with KAFE Bellingham 104.3 and CHHR Vancouver 104.1, forcing a frequency swap between the two stations (KAFE now on 104.1, CHHR now on 104.3) There was a video on YouTube that has since been taken down, (but I have a copy) of the border celebration, the two stations swapping a foam .1 (with the USA flag print) and foam .3 (with a Canadian flag print). It was all pretty much for the benefit of getting KMCQ on and going as a Seattle station.
That had to cost First Broadcasting (then owners of KMCQ) something. Radio engineers aren't cheap.
The former owners of 100.3 WIFE-FM in Connersville, IN somehow got a 28kw Class B station moved 70 miles into the Cincinnati market, with the COL changed to Norwood, OH, & was downgraded to a 6kw Class A equivalent. It also involved having 2 stations change frequencies in order to shoehorn 100.3 into the Cincinnati market. I'm not sure how many FM stations reach Connersville, IN, but they lost their only local FM station, because the owner thought it would do better in the Cincinnati market, & I believe Radio One had something to do with it, since they bought the station (not sure if it was bought before, or after the move to Cincinnati).
CC got 1690 WHTE Johnson City, IL moved into the Chicago market via Berwyn, IL. The station hadn't signed on when the station made the move. This station was attached to the 810 WDDD license in the same area. It moved over 300 miles from their original COL. CC eventually sold off their Carondale, IL stations, which also included 810 WDDD. Withers fought with the FCC over what is now WVON license being attached to the WDDD license, & trying to keep 810 on the air. I don't care who's at fault between CC & Withers, but the FCC should not have allowed the former WHTE license to move to the Chicago market, while forcing 810 in the Carbondale market off the air (even going as far as allowing CC to sell their 810 station with the 1690 license attached to it). That's like recently, the sale of 1580 & 1620 in the South Bend Indiana market was blocked, because 2 different owners own the stations, & each tried to sell to 2 different owners.
CC got 1690 WHTE Johnson City, IL moved into the Chicago market via Berwyn, IL. The station hadn't signed on when the station made the move. This station was attached to the 810 WDDD license in the same area. It moved over 300 miles from their original COL. CC eventually sold off their Carondale, IL stations, which also included 810 WDDD. Withers fought with the FCC over what is now WVON license being attached to the WDDD license, & trying to keep 810 on the air. I don't care who's at fault between CC & Withers, but the FCC should not have allowed the former WHTE license to move to the Chicago market, while forcing 810 in the Carbondale market off the air (even going as far as allowing CC to sell their 810 station with the 1690 license attached to it). That's like recently, the sale of 1580 & 1620 in the South Bend Indiana market was blocked, because 2 different owners own the stations, & each tried to sell to 2 different owners.
One that was just applied for last week: WKLA-FM (106.3) has applied to move from Ludington to Thompsonville and try to serve Traverse City (the proposed TX site is 10 miles ENE of Thompsonville and 15 miles SSW of Traverse City; both current and proposed sites are Class A and no other station has to be moved on the north end). The current and proposed sites are 48 miles apart.
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