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They've increased their 25-54 share 4 consecutive months and are in the top 15 in that demo for the first time since shortly after their ill- fated flip from Oldies.Not saying it'll stick and who knows if it'll continue but it feels like the first good news for the CBS folks concerning Jack/NY.(NOTE: all these numbers were pretty much in before their hired a PD)
 
Personally, I LOVE Jack. Not for listening to, mind you, but for the very fact it has driven so much traffic to my webcast from those who can't stand the "big voice with an attitude" or the tracks that are too obnoxious. I'll take an audience any way I can get 'em and if they're happy they stumbled across my stream, the better!For that, I say "Thanks, Jack."BillCapitalRadio.us
 
and Jack-L.A. comes in today with another solid top 4 25-54 ranking.Chicago is headed in the wrong direction- they're at an all-time low. Did they sign it on, leave it in that mode and just hope for the best? If they did, they're doomed. The V.H. stations that are in continuous evolution and development are those with the best chance of a good future.
 
If Jack Chicago has any chance for success, they have the right man in the PD chair. Sebastian knows how to get it done!
 
If Jack Chicago has any chance for success, they have the right man in the PD chair. Sebastian knows how to get it done!=====I dunno know that is true. John did well with the Wolf in Nashville. It was a slow, slow build with a few well-calculatedrisks. Wolf even took shots on air at 96.3 Jack-FM. Yet Wolf minimized personality and threw in a nice mix of non-countrysongs -- a little like Jack. WSIX has reacted, but is stale and WKDF is a terrible waste of 100kw signal. The Wolf just had to get the others toblink and got a little radio bump from that along with a nice point or two from now loyal listeners. But, I think the Wolf sounds betterafter John (and that's not a stab at him.) It just has finally hit it's stride. I was not impressed with the original Wolf launch, etc.But, I have to admit, I check out the station much more to see just what is being played (non-country wise.)That all being said, John is now programming a pre-programmed maverick. What can he do? Minimize Cogan? No. Improve thetrain wrecks? Make the music blend song after song? Divert from the prescribed Jack playlist? Part of what made him asuccess in Nashville was his attitude and his ability to use that in the industry to screw with people and get newspaperpromotions for his antics (good and bad.) He was, in way, THE show at the Wolf. This time around, it's all about JACK --- not John. I cannot, for the life of me, see how he can radically re-invent a stationthat is already on auto-pilot. Unless he gets live talent and goes balls to the wall Whacky-Jack. But, he's sort of missed in Nashville. It's not as much fun without him.
 
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the things we call "train wrecks" in radio are part of the charm of Variety Hits station- they feed the "ya never know what's coming next" charm that makes the good VH stations tick.Radio people need to get out of the business of viewing radio stations from a radio perspective and start looking at what we do through listeners eyes & ears. What you hear as a "train wreck" they hear as unpredictable and refreshing.
 
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OldiesCat1 said:
the things we call "train wrecks" in radio are part of the charm of Variety Hits station- they feed the "ya never know what's coming next" charm that makes the good VH stations tick.Radio people need to get out of the business of viewing radio stations from a radio perspective and start looking at what we do through listeners eyes & ears. What you hear as a "train wreck" they hear as unpredictable and refreshing.
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I'm replying from a listeners standpoint and I don't like Chicago's Jack FM liners. Why should I listen to a station that sounds like they don't care if you listen or not. I like the variety format, but not one that sounds like they could careless. That's why I've stuck with the Nine FM trimulcast. Their liners don't have as much attitude like Jack FM Chicago does. I also like personality, which Nine FM has. I've listened to radio long enough to like hearing a person in the radio live, and not be 100% jockless. I don't know how long Chicago's Jack FM will last, or the Nine FM trimulcast. But as long as there's a choice between Jack FM & Nine FM in the Chicago market, I'll pick Nine FM anyday. Otherwise, I'll listen to my CD collection, Sirius satellite radio, or be stuck listening to WTMX. I have yet to listen to variety stations from other markets as I have dialup, and it's a pain to listen to internet radio on dialup, and rarely get out of the Chicago market.
 
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I'm not enamoured with (specifically) the Jack voiceover approach, either. Too smartass for my taste. Some of the non-Jack brand VH stations seem a lot more listener focused in their imaging.
 
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the things we call "train wrecks" in radio are part of the charm of Variety Hits station- they feed the "ya never know what's coming next" charm that makes the good VH stations tick.-----I agree with the train wreck concept. You're right about the statement above. My point on what John Sebastian can do with train wrecks wasat best rhetorical. He can either make 'em milder or wilder. I have to take issue with the Howard Cogan comment below, though 'Cat. You championed him against the grain in the beginning along with "people didn't get the 'playing what we want' as being misunderstood. I like the weekly new additions to his portfolio. Like the music, you never know whatsmartass thing he is going to say. It completes the concept. What I am not nearly as fond of is the "this is Jean from BF and I loves me some Jack"liners of "listeners" that seemingly call in and try to make up cutesy poems and stuff about Jack. They are to long and boring and actually to medestroy the flow. But, then again, from the listener standpoint it makes sense that they are part of the team until it comes to picking the music.I also like the dreaded music directly to commercial from time to time because it breaks another cardinal sin. All this is unpredictable and refreshing....and damned profitable....."Time to make the BMW payment...huh, go figure. Jack'll be back in a flash...."Actually it's paid for.
 
Jack here in Jackson also have people on the air making their comments about Jack. One thing Jack here also does, for example, is "this bunch of songs in a row is for Angela at ABC Company". Do any other Jacks do that?
 
that's called "Imaging" and "positioning". Jack's whole persona is ANTI-corporate radio and the listeners are included in the "we".
 
Look THIS up- Jack and other types of Variety Hits stations are doing well in more markets than not. You just cannot stand knowing that and it's why guys like you will end up left behind as radio moves forward past carts & tall sticks in big fields & narrowly-focused formats.
 
See, that's just it. When you make statements like that, it proves that you yourself are not in radio.Look THIS up- Jack and other types of Variety Hits stations are doing well in more markets than not.
 
oh, yes, that's right. Arbitron ratings and Miller-Kaplan revenue figures aren't important to you. You judge a station or format's success based on whether you like them or you get what they're doing, perhaps a show of hands somewhere.BTW, what IS your criteria?(tip to readers: this person and I have been down this road previously- he/she makes statements based on NOTHING. They say XXXX station is failing but when you look at their numbers, they're top 5; they rebut current ratings figures and end up with 5 other posters telling them they're full of it. But, it's too much fun helping him/her make a total you-know-what of themselves, I can't help myself doing it again. Somebody told me this person is a salesperson at an AM station in the middle-of-nowhere Indiana, which would explain a lot).
 
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Tibbs2 said:
I have to take issue with the Howard Cogan comment below, though 'Cat. You championed him against the grain in the beginning along with "people didn't get the 'playing what we want' as being misunderstood. I like the weekly new additions to his portfolio. Like the music, you never know whatsmartass thing he is going to say. It completes the concept. What I am not nearly as fond of is the "this is Jean from BF and I loves me some Jack"liners of "listeners" that seemingly call in and try to make up cutesy poems and stuff about Jack. They are to long and boring and actually to medestroy the flow. But, then again, from the listener standpoint it makes sense that they are part of the team until it comes to picking the music.I also like the dreaded music directly to commercial from time to time because it breaks another cardinal sin. All this is unpredictable and refreshing....and damned profitable....."Time to make the BMW payment...huh, go figure. Jack'll be back in a flash...."Actually it's paid for.
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Personally I like the Dallas Jack's online sweepers...they have one poking fun at their sister station KVIL! And another sounds like a choir singing in a church...and catches you offguard ;) But their online stream always goes back to music via Howard's voice or a sweeper after a spot break..(now the commercials they run is another matter!! DONT GO IN THERE!!!! You'll get the joke on that after a few breaks) www.jackontheweb.com is the web site.
 
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