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Looking for a few good ideas

It has oft been said : "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." This is perception, especially among many radio lifers. This perception is accepted as a rule where it doesn't always apply.

The Pendleton program was a total fecal formation. At some point it was a study hall with music. A lot of things have changed. Some past problems are gone. You have a radio person asking for help, not hell.

Because it is a part of the education process it is probably as popular as a prostitute in church. (A prostitute needs to be in church despite the people who might not want her there.) So in the face of opening up for a challenge here is a person who IS in our business asking for help. Even if yo don't consider him in our business , he is.

I pointed out graduation rates not to shoot the messenger as good teachers don't make good students all the time. I have enough teachers as friends who tell me what they face every day with most students facing the same things we face. Look at ISTEP scores. We have one school in a multicounty area that passed the ISTEP and it isn't public. We make them take school seriously. It takes parents and students. Public schools can't make this happen or it just isn't happening.

Every student has ADD to some extent. We have created a culture that prides itself on new camera shots every 10 to 15 seconds in a program and expect students educated by television to sit in a classroom and maintain focus on one camera angle without graphics or advanced color set with life size led monitors, the time and temp, or a weather bug and ticker for a minimum of 45 minutes.

In college classes we teach that the message in church should be 8 minutes to 20 minutes because adults can't focus any longer than this. Our local priest is normally 10 minutes. A fill in from St. Meinrad, Father Pious, who is a great witty man, went 20 minutes and you would have thought he killed someone by the reaction of some.

Our society has created a constant distraction of ipods, iphones, any cellular phone, computers, 100 television channels, the need to have new and different responses to fill our voids. Kids are vary rarely bored. When I was 5 and turned the television on during breakfast I had snow or the WTTV Indian Head. Our society is now looking at all the new indocrinates as "Post moderns". Tough to teach, tough to relate to, and we are looking at a total culture change from generation to generation. My Ethnocentrism sees this and anyone who works with students sees this.

most schools are so above eveyone in the community they continue doing a half vast job of educating radio students because they know how to do it better than you, they know. Here's a guy asking for help, why not try to help? I have offered to help WEEM in it's upgrade to circular polarity. Not sure if this will be accepted but at least it has been offered.

I had a television program in my high school. It opened me up to many possibilities. Surely there are enough radio people who can get involved in some way. Help will not come without criticism and this is a fact of life. If you take the criticism constructively and accept the help not jsut one liners this could be a good thing.

Ben Davis MANY years back was something like this, Mount Carmel, IL and WVJC too.
 
I don't think anyone was dumping on Butlerguy until he rebuffed the problems that those of us who hire his kids tried to point out. Is he teaching these kids for his/their hobby? Or the real world of fewer jobs in a more competitive radio industry? Getting a position at a CHR station is difficult. If that is all they are exposed to, no wonder they cannot function at an oldies station, or talk, etc.

My intention was not to dump on butlerguy, I'm sure he takes what he does seriously, but to point out the frustration we see in the biz every day with interns and new hires. It's typically EASIER to hire and teach someone that had NO high school or college radio experience because they usually have been taught theory, but not much as far as practical skills (like saying 'uh' or reading a liner like it's a book report in front of class). TEACH THEM TO DELIVER at the mic!

I've never heard your school station, but I guarantee your teaching will not improve if you are that thin-skinned that you will not take pointed advice from those currently in the field. Open your mind to other ideas and suggestions and you may not have to beg students to take your class.
 
I appreciate the kind words and offering to help Chief. As you know, I have to run everything past a couple of layers of (non-radio) people. Radioho, I understand what you are saying and meant no disrespect.

To answer bengalsfan, worrying about "uh" instead of the pronunciaton of "Bayh," hitting marks, and operations of eqiupment is micromanaging. Remember, I have about 100 minutes total to teach these students (with 8 at a time in the studio)...so reallly it comes down to about 12 minutes one-on-one time...then subtract normal teacher stuff like taking attendance, ect. and you have about 10 minutues of real teaching time per student per day. That's where I get "micromanaging" on details. I barely have enough time to teach broad-based ideas.

My point was that I know these kids need the "natural" delivery and to avoid issues in everyday speech ("uh"). I just was looking for creative ideas to help these student with these problems and to increase the overall amount of time working in the field. More reading, I know, but what to read? I believe that news/events is the future of radio with music controlled by less and less outlets. So, I focus a lot on news...but is that what I should be doing? DJ'ing is not that important for future radio people (at least in my opinion) because the number of jobs is going to be smaller each and every year.

As many of you know, WEEM survived a possible shut-down this year. We just got production computers 2 years ago! This summer we finally broke through and now have 5 computers that students can do production while a DJ and Newscomputer are also used. So we are playing catch up and I thought many of you would have some ideas on how to give more opportunities to more students. We didn't have a problem when I took over because we had 1/3 the student I have now. It's nice I don't have to beg for students anymore and that's where I like to keep up on programming, because that has been a big factor in the PHHS/WEEM program becoming relevant again.

After reading the entire string of messages again, it looks like a big misunderstanding by me. Sorry for getting defensive, I just hear the "we need better education with less money" thing all the time and tend to go off the deep end when it gets in my mind. A suburban, nice school district like Pendleton/South Madison shouldn't have 40+ kids in core classes (English, social studies, science & math)!

I have turned down a few commercial PD positions in the last couple of years because when it comes down to it, I can't leave these kids! And, bengalsfan, if I teach the right way, maybe I will have a Marconi winning former student in the future.

Thanks,
Jered Petrey
GM/PD/Instructor
WEEM-FM
(765) 778-2161
 
Along with Chief and the others.. I hope the best.. I am so glad the station was saved.. I really thing SCA and using that as the underclassmen's lab can see results and give them the carrot to move up to WEEM's main carrier.. Also, if the Public Affairs or special program they produce on the Sub-Carrier (call it WEEM-2) is of good quality, air it in your Public Affairs or non-traditional programming hours.. Challenge the upperclassmen to help give basic mentoring to the new broadcast student and give them lab grade credit for a job well done... (Unless they ignore the newbie, they should get from a "C" to an "A"...)... We put the newbies on stats at ballgames and let them work on a 'half time stat report' of the basic and highlights in the game.. A formated sheet can make it consistant and easy for them... Scoring plays, yards, sacks, pass, rush, penelties should be enough.. Have another either in the studio or at the field monitor scores from around the area and conference (laptop or in studio computer can monitor Indiana Sports Talk for the scroll and scores).. They will eat that up.. Now back to Cindy with some area scores.. Have a student with a pre-approved question sheet (upper classmen do well at this), as a coach (does not have to be the head coach) about the game and season (Keep it simple Sweetheart style 'KISS')...And a short in basketball and longer interviews in football and base/softball and soccer with town dignitaries or school officials (pre-approved three question style).... Talk about good stuff to critique! I had Castle students help me spot, do those things when I did five seasons when I was doing their games on an LPFM.. Even the Principal would come in to help.. They miss it... We aired the band routine and bragged to call family out of town to hear the stream.. Can't see, but one good omi-mic did the job, well.... Just ideas....

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butlerguy03 said:
To answer bengalsfan, worrying about "uh" instead of the pronunciaton of "Bayh," hitting marks, and operations of eqiupment is micromanaging.

That's fine man. Like I said, once your students graduate and get hired at a real radio station, we'll teach them the proper way of doing things.

I have turned down a few commercial PD positions in the last couple of years because when it comes down to it, I can't leave these kids! And, bengalsfan, if I teach the right way, maybe I will have a Marconi winning former student in the future.

Um, yea. We'll see.
 
I would suggest going on-line and find websites that have radio air-checks from the 60's and 70's...look for air checks from WLS, WCFL, WABC and other top 40's of that era. WOWO's website has air checks from the past. That was the time when radio was "fun" both for the listener and the air talent. The stuff you hear on 95% of stations that play music today is "BORING","STALE", and that's why Ipods are so popular...just my 20-cents worth.
 
Jered,
This may not be what you're looking for as suggestions go, but here goes -
As I read through your comments, I see a lack of available training time with your students as a big challenge. You seem to lack the facilities [equipment for training purposes only] and time [between class requirements, and programming the station full days].

I went to your website, and one thing I didn't see was a Programming schedule so forgive me if my suggestion is completely off base but I'm only going on the information I have at hand. I'm assuming you're keeping the station on the air most of the day every day for the purpose of this suggestion.

Have you thought about picking up some syndicated long form programming for part of the day? Forget your programmer instincts for a moment [how would this affect my audience, etc.] and just take the suggestion on it's merit based on the time management challenge. If you took a long form programming block sometime during the day, it would essentially free up your studio for that 3-4 hours. You could use your studio for one-on-one training, air checks, etc., without interfering with the on air feed. More students would have access to the real on-air studio, more time for every student to work on individual skill sets. Ultimately, you could make this as productive as you want it to be, by deciding when during the day your students would get the most out of this [classtime? right after school?] and simply clearing syndication during that time.

Now, if you're not on air wall-to-wall during the day, and have a lot of studio down time, then I'm a complete idiot making this suggestion! :D But hey, I've learned to laugh at myself a long time ago. ;D However, if I haven't mis-read the situation, would my suggestion have merit based on the objective of focusing as much time and teaching on the student as possible? Maybe.

Good luck to you -
 
It has been proven over the last several years that creativity and a drive to make compelling radio no longer matter. Look at all the great names that have been shown the door in our city alone. Part of the reason that radio has become so poor in our city is that "good" is becoming less and less relevant. Cheap and agreeable is the way to a check.
 
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