Looking for any HD Radio sales figures.

[SayNoToIBOC]

God, what a waste !

 

[IBOCRocks]

God, what a waste !

Yep, we think most of your posts are a waste, too!

 

[calstymes]

I have two BA Receptors. They are both broken. One can't hear and the other doesn't know how to bootup anymore.

 

[IBOCRocks]

I have two BA Receptors. They are both broken. One can't hear and the other doesn't know how to bootup anymore.

You must have bad luck! I have two, and they work well. Another person at the office has one and it's working well too. Can you send them in for repair?

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Cal wrote: "I have two BA Receptors. They are both broken. One can't hear and the other doesn't know how to bootup anymore."

If you have had such good luck, then you should write a review on Amazon.

IBOCRocks wrote: "You must have bad luck! I have two, and they work well. Another person at the office has one and it's working well too. Can you send them in for repair?"

Does your buddy, at work, have the dipole antenna mounted on the roof ? And, you spent $600 on two HD Receptor radios - Oh, my God ! So, you have two hiding places for the dipole antennas ?

 

[IBOCRocks]

Cal wrote: "I have two BA Receptors. They are both broken. One can't hear and the other doesn't know how to bootup anymore."

If you have had such good luck, then you should write a review on Amazon.

IBOCRocks wrote: "You must have bad luck! I have two, and they work well. Another person at the office has one and it's working well too. Can you send them in for repair?"

Does your buddy, at work, have the dipole antenna mounted on the roof ? And, you spent $600 on two HD Receptor radios - Oh, my God ! So, you have two hiding places for the dipole antennas ?

Funny...I bought the radios BEFORE they offered the dipoles. Never ordered them, because I don't need them. I'm still waiting for you to show us where I said otherwise.

Another lie...

 

[SUPERCASTER]

I have two BA Receptors. They are both broken. One can't hear and the other doesn't know how to bootup anymore.

And HD Supporters keep asking people to buy this defective technology.
I'm not that gullable, and I hope no one else is either.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

IBOCRocks wrote: "Funny...I bought the radios BEFORE they offered the dipoles. Never ordered them, because I don't need them. I'm still waiting for you to show us where I said otherwise."

You stated in another thread, that you had your 7-foot dipole hidden - it was probably posted in one of your irrevalent threads (like your eulogy thread) that was removed by management. If you didn't have the dipole, then you would be getting even fewer stations, than you already are...

 

[IBOCRocks]

IBOCRocks wrote: "Funny...I bought the radios BEFORE they offered the dipoles. Never ordered them, because I don't need them. I'm still waiting for you to show us where I said otherwise."

You stated in another thread, that you had your 7-foot dipole hidden - it was probably posted in one of your irrevalent threads (like your eulogy thread) that was removed by management. If you didn't have the dipole, then you would be getting even fewer stations, than you already are...

None of my posts have been removed by management. I've asked several times for you to show me where I've posted about using a "seven-foot dipole", and you haven't. It's because they don't exist. I don't use a dipole, and I get stations in just fine.

Show me the thread.

Just another in the string of lies from you.

 

[dbdigital]

DAVID WROTE: "1. The first receivers were intended to be niche marketed, mostly to "insiders." 2. The consumer launch occured 15 days ago. 3. Radio has no acces to sales fighres for the receivers."

So all of those public radio stations who had backorders late last year for BA HD radios weren't really using them as supporter premiums, as had been widely reported? So all of those newspaper, website and magazine articles reviewing HD Radio and telling us where we could buy radios were only targeting radio insiders? So all of those slogans and liners and "Are You Deaf Yet" spots early this year were really just targeting radio insiders?

IBOCROCKS WROTE: "You seem to be diverting my question by bringing up my "emotionally charged" state of mind."

No. I'm only interested in some facts. I'm sure you are a very nice and intelligent person.

I'm still waiting for some sales figures on HD Radio. The first Kenwood HD Radio was sold in January 2004. There is a 2.5 year history of HD Radio sales somewhere and I'm hoping someone will share some figures with everyone here.

The only sales figures I could find were in this article:

http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/mp3-players-digital-audio/hd-radio-is-anybody-listening.asp

You can probably get exact figures from this group: http://www.ce.org/

db

 

[vsa]

Thank you. We're beginning to narrow it down a little bit.

So far, according to statements from iBiquity people, we have an estimate of 100,000 HD-R radios shipped and an estimate of probably tens of thousands of people purchasing or using an HD-R radio since the first Kenwood HD-R was sold in January 2004.

Anyone with more sales information is welcomed to post it here. I think it's important for all of us, pro or anti-HD, to know how well the technology is being embraced by consumers. It would be good if we can keep a running total posted here or somewhere.

Happy debating!

 

[tankedsecondchance]

interesting topic , im not very smart,so how could a company that controls technologie/software like (ibiquity) collect the correct fee from each radio device sold if they dont count the units

it was also my understanding that both sirius and xmsr pay software fees yearly, to ibiquity and currently are the largest ongoing revenue source they have.......

imho when they indicate they dont know ,its just not true

it's truely sad when you grasp the simple fact that a new device (that works as advertised) ,will never fix the quality of content or format's that consumers have rejected..........which brings me to a comment made by hogan about a week ago, then reported on fred jacobs blog...."no money for talent"

 

[vsa]

Going back to the March 3, 2005 issue of the NAB's Radio Rave, here's an interesting historical quote from iBiquity's Robert Struble, "With 2005 being "the year of HD Radio...Promotion of HD Radio to consumers is keenly important..."

Link: http://www.nab.org/xert/corpcomm/newsletters/radiorave/radiorave3-3-05.asp

For those who like to say that the consumer marketing campaign began only 2 or 3 weeks ago, read this from iBiquity's own website: "October 13, 2005 – iBiquity Digital, the sole developer of digital HD Radio™ technology, today announced the launch of a trade-in program on eBay® designed to help consumers trade in their old analog radios to receive a rebate on a new HD Radio receivers."

Link: http://www.ibiquity.com/press_room/news_releases/2005/104

 

[SUPERCASTER]

Going back to the March 3, 2005 issue of the NAB's Radio Rave, here's an interesting historical quote from iBiquity's Robert Struble, "With 2005 being "the year of HD Radio...Promotion of HD Radio to consumers is keenly important..."

Link: http://www.nab.org/xert/corpcomm/newsletters/radiorave/radiorave3-3-05.asp

For those who like to say that the consumer marketing campaign began only 2 or 3 weeks ago, read this from iBiquity's own website: "October 13, 2005 – iBiquity Digital, the sole developer of digital HD Radio™ technology, today announced the launch of a trade-in program on eBay® designed to help consumers trade in their old analog radios to receive a rebate on a new HD Radio receivers."

Link: http://www.ibiquity.com/press_room/news_releases/2005/104

Exellent proof of the continuous campaign of fraudulent, misleading, deceptive, unscrupulous, promotional and advertising claims made for HD Radio by the HD cartel and those employed or aligned with it's members and supporters.
When problems, defects, shortcomings, interference, buzz, hiss, or coverage limitations are reported, HD supporters attack those making the reports. If they were really professional engineers and broadcasters, they would be solving the severe technical, coverage, fidelity, programming, and marketing problems HD Radio has, not attacking the messengers.

Using Arbitron ratings as absolute proof of anything is rediculous. Arbitron only claims a limited measure of listening trends, has many disclaimers connected with it's reports, and does not, itself, claim absolute accuracy. To use Arbitron figures to infer stations service to the public or FCC compliance is just another in a whole ocean full of HD Radio rotten red herrings.

 

[calstymes]

Quote from IBOCRocks on August 18, 2006, 12:59:12 pm:

Quote from: Cal Stymes on August 18, 2006, 12:33:08 pm:

I have two BA Receptors. They are both broken. One can't hear and the other doesn't know how to bootup anymore.

You must have bad luck! I have two, and they work well. Another person at the office has one and it's working well too.

Yep, bad luck is my middle name. If something of mine might not work, it won't. That is Nagle's axiom to Trautsky's corollary to Murphy's law.

Can you send them in for repair?

I guess I will have to get them repaired if I really want to listen to HDradio, now won't I. I just haven't decided yet whether or not I really want to listen to it. Tell me, will this wonderful new IBOC technology make the programming any better? One thing for certain is that it will make us all a bit poorer.

 

[I.B. Iquity]

"I guess I will have to get them repaired if I really want to listen to HDradio, now won't I. I just haven't decided yet whether or not I really want to listen to it."


If this is the case, then what is the issue. If you aren't interested in what IBOC offers then why are you even discussing it?


"Tell me, will this wonderful new IBOC technology make the programming any better?"

Better is a matter of opinon. I won't say better, I will say more varied. It will give listeners more choices and that's a good thing and of course it's offered with no monthly charges.

"One thing for certain is that it will make us all a bit poorer."

In what way is that? I'd say more choices makes us richer. It all depends how words are defined.
Posted on: Today at 04:04:45 amPosted by: SUPERCASTER

 

[Tom Wells]

The "rollout" of HD radio began, in my eyes, when Ibiquity chose a "sample set" of radios to "prove" their assertions of no AM interference, and then chose all narrowband, Phase-Lock-Loop radios! This FIRST action by Ibiquity was a clear demonstration of bad faith by misrepresenting the user-base equipment. Sure, if you start with bad-sounding radios, you don't have much audio quality to lose. Don't say the rollout is only just beginning when the first lies were propogated over 5 years ago.
Saying "no one uses radios that sound any better than this" is exactly the same sort of "misrepresentation" as saying "only the people in the defined market are listening".

We will not be privvy to sales figures. Business keeps a poker hand at this stage of a game.

I realized HD radio would not be playing fairly when they insisted we play with THEIR deck of cards.

Why did the public not have input as to the selections of radios chosen for their "perceptual testing"?

Why did no one at the FCC call "BS" on the representation of "typical radios"?

 

[I.B. Iquity]

Every radio I own, and I have a high end tuner, a few Sony, AM Stereo portables a few Super radios and of course car radios have no problem with analogue reception. You can not hear the IBOC sidebands on them unless you are mistuned on the analogue readout radios or in wideband on the Super radios. It's not an issue for 99% of the audience. This discussion has been discussed over and over. The decision has been made that IBOC will be the digital system use by the American broadcast industry. The AM broadcast band is fading away due to its audience aging. There are few younger listeners to replace the older AM audience. Boradcasters have decide to go with the Ibiquity system of digital radio and systems such as Cam-D and FMeXtra are just spinning their wheels. You can argue that the sky is orange all day but that doesn't change the fact that the sky is blue and in this case your argument that IBOC is a problem won't change the fact that HD is the digital system that has been adopted by US broadcasters. Why didn't you contact the FCC and file the counter paperwork against IBOC, if you can prove that they have not been honest. All the arguments are too little too late.

 

[Tom Wells]

"Not having a problem with" is a very slanted statement. Tuning to center frequency is the WORST way to listen to AM, unless one truly has a wideband IF, or variable IF bandwidth.
"Mistuning" is a misnomer. "Selecting the passband" is better wording. Letting the IF bandwidth limit, and letting a PLL tuner lock the radio at exact 10 Khz steps, are actually frequency DISTORTION, in that they do not permit the true (full) audio passband to demodulate. Tuning to one side or the other increases the ultimate upper frequency receivable, to other limits (within the audio circuits).
So, narrow band radios have built in frequency distortion. Tuning "off" to accentuate upper frequencies partly corrects the frequency distortion. Consumer PLL radios generally don't permit this. But just because the market has been filled with junk radios for the last 20 years is no reason to say AM sounds bad, or say that wideband splatter is not a problem when it is. This is same as saying...no one stops for stop signs anymore, so we'll just go to green and yellow lights only. Why let the lowest common denominator drag down the whole society?
This is deliberate and willful interference, and from 1934 until 2003 this sort of spurious emission would have drawn heavy fines and likely a loss of license. It's a very privileged company indeed, that gets special permission from the government to pollute public resources, AND gets to charge licensing fees for the privilege of spewing pollution.

I don't buy the premise, when the stage is set with blatant mis-representation.

HD will work. GET IT INTO ITS OWN SERVICE. It is communications, yes, and and can be propogated by RF.

It is NOT radio. Get it OFF AM MW, where its presence is FAR more disruptive than FM.

 

[autopaint-1]

The average person tunes their radio to the center of the frequency, not to one sideband or the other. In a market such as mine, tuning off center frequency raises the level of noise, especially above 1200 Khz. Most people today use digital tuning of one kind or another which, with 10K steps doesn't allow for tuning off center frequency. This is the world we live in, like it or not. It's not what a AM radio station can sound like under ideal condx but how most people receive AM radio that matters. I don't hear any noise associated with IBOC on any of my radios. A very select few people notice this problem and they are typically DXers or hobbyists. IBOC is hear to stay and it was created due to competition from satellite broadcasters and the fact that AM radio's audience is growing older and less appealing to advertisers. Something had to be done and this is what was settled on. As far as another band, yes ideally that would have been nice. Broadcasters could have gone DRM and not had to worry about compatibilty. The problem is that available spectrum is scarce and so it was agreed that the IBOC system would be implimented to slowly move from analogue to digital transmission. As I mentioned to others, analogue TV is going away soon (relatively speaking) and we'll have millions of useless analogue TV sets too. Such is life and the ways of the national land fill.