Looking for any HD Radio sales figures.

[IBOCRocks]

You made my point. The station that sounds fine, but is causing the adjacent channel interference, will not get complaints. The station with buzz/hash or any kind of noise on it's audio will get the complaints from their listeners. That's why YOU haven't gotten complaints. Listeners don't realize your stations are causing the bazz/hash/noise on your next door neighbors. Most listeners don't even understand why some AM station signals disappear after dark.

Good point. How about the first adjacent to me who's running IBOC? I've gotten no complaints about them, either...and we're short-spaced! Public aside, I haven't heard anything unusual. I'm not saying it's not there, but it's not not even close to sounding like a problem to me. Now, that may be different in other parts of the country.

Now keep in mind, I'm talking about FM signals here...

 

[vsa]

I'm glad you have been relatively free of problems. I have less of a problem with FM HD Radio than with AM HD Radio. Both add interference to each band, but AM is least able to handle the added hash.

 

[vsa]

Interesting story in Wednesday's "Florida Times-Union" newspaper in Jacksonville, Florida. Here's an exerpt:

http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/629405/radios_new_wave/index.html?source=r_technology

"Radio's New Wave--Ready or not, HD Radio is arriving in Jacksonville.

Jacksonville radio stations are ready. But the listening public probably is not...HD Radio is a new digital technology...and few people have them..."Right now, there are only about three people with receivers in town," said Thomas Patton, station manager of WJCT (89.9 FM), Jacksonville's National Public Radio affiliate...."We probably move two or three a month," said Eric Whitford, general manager of the Sound Advice store in the Regency area. Vicki Stearn, spokeswoman for iBiquity Digital Corp...said...the number of HD Radio receivers in consumer hands is only in the "tens of thousands"..."

 

[IBOCRocks]

I'm glad you have been relatively free of problems. I have less of a problem with FM HD Radio than with AM HD Radio. Both add interference to each band, but AM is least able to handle the added hash.

I guess I haven't noticed, at least in the way I use radio. Fortunately, anything I want to hear on AM I can get locally. I know that isn't the case for everyone, but it is for me. I do think there are some issues with AM IBOC, but I haven't experienced any problems on the FM side.

 

[vsa]

Interesting article at Broadcastnewsroom.com two days ago:

http://www.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=60098

"KCRW's HD Radio Odyssey, An interview with Chief Engineer Steve Herbert - Los Angeles-area NPR station KCRW has been broadcasting an HD Radio feed for nearly a year, the audience until recently totaled perhaps a couple of hundred people. The initial listeners were mostly engineers from other stations and people who develop aftermarket radios in the region, says Steve Herbert, chief engineer ... KCRW ... got help from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and iBiquity Corp., which developed the FCC-approved HD Radio technology and licenses it to manufacturers. “They were very interested in getting some stations out there in what they considered seed markets, the most populous markets,” says Herbert. “So we were able to take advantage of some initial grant money which came down through Congress and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting to make this happen.” ... It’s relatively expensive to add digital HD equipment -- $80,000 to $120,000 for a typical station, more if a higher powered transmitter is required – and some stations initially found the outlay hard to justify if average listeners may or may not be able to hear the difference ... Herbert is ambivalent regarding KCRW’s experience with HD Radio so far ... KCRW is putting off the addition of HD2 broadcasts with alternate content because of quality concerns ... Herbert explains that adding HD2 multicasts would require splitting the bit stream of the digital signal, reducing the signal quality. “The HD stream is 96 kb, which isn't a lot. And in order to do multiple programming, you just literally slice the pie a little thinner."

How do you feel about your taxpayer money being used to help "seed" HD Radio?

HD Radio boosters have predicted that one million HD-R radios will be sold by the end of this year. There are only 4 more months in 2006. How close will they get?

Anyone see any more HD Radio sales figures?

 

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

I wouldn't put that figure much over a few tens of thousands - if you look at HD Radio's advertisement link for amazon.com/hdradio, it points to the Receptor HD, which is ranked 5,500 in electronic sales, and fell to a low of 7,600 two nights ago.

 

[davideduardo]

HD Radio boosters have predicted that one million HD-R radios will be sold by the end of this year. There are only 4 more months in 2006. How close will they get?

I have not seen anyone with any reputation in the industry predict 1 million receivers this year. My guess would be around 100 thousand tops.

The 2.0 design specs came out about 90 days ago. The promotional campaign for HD started a month ago. The manufacturers are just starting to realize there is increasing market awareness, and they are now designing receivers. Then comes the prototype, testing, manufacturing and shipping. This means some will appear at the early 2007 CES, but most will be out in mid-2007.

49 car brands or models will have HD standard in Summer of next year.

This whole thing will take about 3 years to reach critical mass, including lower price points for radios... nothing is happening this year, and it will be well into 2007 before we see much impact. Just like TV, CDs, Cassetttes, 8-Tracks, DVDs, VHS, etc.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

David wrote: "I have not seen anyone with any reputation in the industry predict 1 million receivers this year. My guess would be around 100 thousand tops."

You know better, the HD Radio Cartel/iBiquity has been spouting this B.S. for a while. 100,000 - now way ! Look at all the interest in the Receptor HD ! Even after being advertised by the Cartel for amazon.com/hdradio, it stands at 5,500 in the electonic sales rankings ! Good luck - no one cares about HD Radio !

 

[davideduardo]

David wrote: "I have not seen anyone with any reputation in the industry predict 1 million receivers this year. My guess would be around 100 thousand tops."

You know better, the HD Radio Cartel/iBiquity has been spouting this B.S. for a while. 100,000 - now way ! Look at all the interest in the Receptor HD ! Even after being advertised by the Cartel for amazon.com/hdradio, it stands at 5,500 in the electonic sales rankings ! Good luck - no one cares about HD Radio !

Take a look at the HD Consortium release today. 49 car models from 7 manufacturers in the next year, and converters in 11/06. The head of the Consortium predicts taht mid-2007 will be when the greatest grwoth occurs.

Nobody is looking at sales yet. It takes 120 to 180 days for new receivers to get in the channels, so look at the 2007 CES form new receivers and lower cost ones.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

The Cartel can PERDICT anything they want, but it means nothing - it has been all hot air, to date ! And, that is assuming that people will fork out the hundreds for HD Radio for automobiles, and choose HD Radio over Satellite Radio. And, wait until Wi-Max puts Internet Radio in cars and portable devices, in 2008 (I do recall you stating, in an earlier post, that Wi-Max wouldn't appear for YEARS) ! Again, even with advertising Amazon.com/hdradio, the Receptor HD sits at 5,500 ! Oh Boy !

 

[autopaint-1]

Say what you will. Those of us in commercial broadcasting are now and will continue to brush off comments from you and other small timers such like a gnat. If Wi-Fi covers a city like NY by 2010 it would be a miracle. Meanwhile the radio or not bills many hundreds of millions of dollars every year. We can afford to laugh at your ignorant comments, all the way to the bank.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

"Say what you will. Those of us in commercial broadcasting are now and will continue to brush off comments from you and other small timers such like a gnat. If Wi-Fi covers a city like NY by 2010 it would be a miracle. Meanwhile the radio or not bills many hundreds of millions of dollars every year. We can afford to laugh at your ignorant comments, all the way to the bank."

Wi-Max will connect Wi-Fi hotspots with each other, and to other parts of the Internet, with legacy cellular networks - when that happens in 2008, HD Radio will be dead. Sprint/Nextel announced, in mid-2006, that it will be investing about US$ 3 billion in a WiMAX technology builtout over the next few years.

 

[davideduardo]

The Cartel can PERDICT anything they want, but it means nothing - it has been all hot air, to date ! And, that is assuming that people will fork out the hundreds for HD Radio for automobiles, and choose HD Radio over Satellite Radio. And, wait until Wi-Max puts Internet Radio in cars and portable devices, in 2008 (I do recall you stating, in an earlier post, that Wi-Max wouldn't appear for YEARS) ! Again, even with advertising Amazon.com/hdradio, the Receptor HD sits at 5,500 ! Oh Boy !

First, most people would want to buy a $300 radio where they can touch it and hear it. Not at Amazon.

HD will be a free add-in in 49 different car models!

Satellite is reforcasting, based on lowered expectations.

WiMax on a national basis is years away.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

"First, most people would want to buy a $300 radio where they can touch it and hear it. Not at Amazon."

What facts do you have to back up that statement ?

"HD will be a free add-in in 49 different car models!"

I read that there will be a charge for HD Radio.

"Satellite is reforcasting, based on lowered expectations."

Not according to the Bridge Ratings and with the recent runup in Satellite stock.

"WiMax on a national basis is years away."

Wi-Max is coming in 2008, including to automobiles, then HD Radio will be dead.

"Mobile WiMax coming soon"

http://www.physorg.com/news5380.html

Is that cool, or what ! It has already been demo'ed ! HD Radio, adios !

 

[davideduardo]

"First, most people would want to buy a $300 radio where they can touch it and hear it. Not at Amazon."

What facts do you have to back up that statement ?

--->>> Common sense. Most people like to actually feel and touch high ticket items.

"HD will be a free add-in in 49 different car models!"

I read that there will be a charge for HD Radio.

--->>> Keep reading. You might develop an ability to actrually understand, Brian.

"Satellite is reforcasting, based on lowered expectations."

Not according to the Bridge Ratings and with the recent runup in Satellite stock.

--->>> The XM Q2 earnings call is still available online. The lowered their forecast for subscribers. The stock is down to $12.81 from a high in the last 52 weeks of $36.91. To me, that is being off over 60% in one year. terrific business.

--->>> How does the mysterious Bridge Ratings have any relationship with the fact that the sat companies are projecting fewer new customers for the rest of the year? Ratings do not measure investor guidance on earnings calls.

"WiMax on a national basis is years away."

Wi-Max is coming in 2008, including to automobiles, then HD Radio will be dead.

--->>> It costs money. Look at satellite. Share values at 1/3 what they were a year ago. Wonderful.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

"First, most people would want to buy a $300 radio where they can touch it and hear it. Not at Amazon."

Well David, since you are the marketing guru, you had better call the HD Radio Cartel/iBiquity and tell them to stop wasting their advertising dollars on Amazon !

Sprint/Nextel is dumping $3 billion into the development of Wi-Max - it will be a reality, then HD Radio will be old technology:

"In Depth: Sprint Nextel's WiMax Pick Spurs The Wireless Broadband Race"

http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=191801616

 

[vsa]

DAVID WROTE: "I have not seen anyone with any reputation in the industry predict 1 million receivers this year. My guess would be around 100 thousand tops."

The March 22, 2006 edition of Detroit News states: "And while the number of HD radios in use today is in the tens of thousands, it is expected to grow to 1 million by the end of the year, according to iBiquity Digital."

Perhaps the folks at iBiquity don't have a "reputation" in the industry.

 

[I.B. Iquity]

Yopu'll forgive me please, I only know English. What difference does any of this make? It's all nit picking foolishness.. IBOC is gaining and new radios are being introduced. The upcoming Radio Shack HD radio will be very telling. IBOC is on the upswing. To make any forcasts about its success or failure is nothing more than to make a guess. These forcasts are based on nothing more than opinion anyway.

 

[Tom Wells]

Gosh, David, you shouldn't ever speak the words "8-track" in an argument unless you're trying to detract from something.
When I was 7 in 1968, my dad asked us if we wanted a cassette or an 8-track for Christmas, and even at that age, I could tell the 8-track was a dog. Introduced in 1964 as 4-track (mono), Mr Lear's adaptation of cart machines was obviously inferior. It sold well for a few years, until consumers got tired of tape hiss ( HOW narrow is that track?), edited songs, incomplete albums, tracks changing in the middle of a song, and the inevitable demise of each tape as the mechanism jammed, the splice broke, etc. The product had only about 7-8 years of viability. By 1975, they were being dumped by the majority of people in favor of cassettes, which had made great improvements in frequency response and tape speed stability.

Save references to 8-tracks for when you want to make a point about an inferior product.

Of course, as a 2-track machine for stations, running at a decent tape speed, it was good.

Or if you want to use it as an example of success for getting the public to purchase a marginally effective product, which they will dump, and then sell them something else again in few years, it was a HUGE success.

The difference is that people buying 8-tracks and listening to them did not detract from anyone else's
ability to "do their thing". Mr Lear did not get the FCC to permit 8-tracks to generate interference upon the casette,
phonograph record or radio. It certainly would have helped, but would clearly have been illegal.

 

[I.B. Iquity]

But again, no one has the RIGHT to DX. You and others DX as a hobby but broadcasters do have the right to transmit within the laws created by the FCC. The commission has allowed broadcasters to operate using Ibiquities IBOC system. As long as they are not interfering with other stations within their protected contour these IBOC stations are operating legally. The DXers will have to modify their operations to continue pursuing their hobby. If that means finding other spectrum, that is their choice. If it means buying new radios to DX the new digital signals again, it's their choice. You DX at the pleasure of the legally operating radio station not the other way around.