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Looking for FCC Certified EAS/CAP Encoder/Decoder

Then you should (assuming you're an FCC-licensed station with a legitimate need for one) contact a dealer who will sell you either a Sage 3644 or a Monroe DASDEC.
 
Once again....I query.....
Since when is an FCC license required to own an EAS endec?????
These units provide access to state/local IPAWS/CAP traffic (in NH, State Police, especially)...and can keep you alert to happenings around.....
Now....I admit......owning an endec isn't NECESSARY....but, it IS a nice (albeit, rather pricey.....) addition to your receiver collection.
The best price I found for a Sage 3644 was from a company with initials similar to Bavarian Motor Works ....in WA State...
Good Luck!
 
Is it required? No. But because boxes like the 3644 and the DASDEC are encoders, not just receivers, it's a bad idea to have them widely available in places they don't belong.

Maybe *you* are just a harmless hobbyist who really wants to see IPAWS/CAP messages for whatever your innocent purposes might be. (Hint: you can see them all at the top of Michi's FCC.today for free.)

But as a licensed broadcaster, it's in *my* best interest to make sure that any box that can originate a message that can propagate through the relatively insecure EAS relay system remains in responsible hands. It's why my old gray 1822 boxes went straight to electronics recycling.

I can think of too many ways that a "hobbyist" with a little bit of inside knowledge, a working EAS encoder and a little bit of additional gear could take over other signals in a market, and it's part of my responsibility to my employers to do everything I can to keep that from happening.
 
Your point is taken.....and understood......Admittedly, I personally deal ONLY with the DECode side of these devices, rather than the ENcode.....but your scenario certainly gives pause to consider.....
Thanks for your response!
 
fybush said:
Is it required? No. But because boxes like the 3644 and the DASDEC are encoders, not just receivers, it's a bad idea to have them widely available in places they don't belong.

Maybe *you* are just a harmless hobbyist who really wants to see IPAWS/CAP messages for whatever your innocent purposes might be. (Hint: you can see them all at the top of Michi's FCC.today for free.)

But as a licensed broadcaster, it's in *my* best interest to make sure that any box that can originate a message that can propagate through the relatively insecure EAS relay system remains in responsible hands. It's why my old gray 1822 boxes went straight to electronics recycling.

I can think of too many ways that a "hobbyist" with a little bit of inside knowledge, a working EAS encoder and a little bit of additional gear could take over other signals in a market, and it's part of my responsibility to my employers to do everything I can to keep that from happening.
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Do you think EAS will ever be encrypted?
 
radiofan2023 said:
Do you think EAS will ever be encrypted?
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Only if Congress mandates such a change.

I'm not sure it could ever be "encrypted" as such. Encryption means a receiver without the key can't understand the message. But we definitely want any receiver to be able to decode the message.
 
PTBoardOp94 said:
Only if Congress mandates such a change.

I'm not sure it could ever be "encrypted" as such. Encryption means a receiver without the key can't understand the message. But we definitely want any receiver to be able to decode the message.
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Well the receivers at radio & TV stations/local governments/Nationa Weather Service offices, etc could have decryption capability.

Also the FCC said last fall they want to make EAS more secure, it‘s under their purview it seems:
www.fcc.gov

FCC Acts to Strengthen the Security of Nation's Alerting Systems

FCC launches a rulemaking to improve the security and reliability of the Emergency Alert System (EAS) and Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEA)
www.fcc.gov www.fcc.gov
 
radiofan2023 said:
Well the receivers at radio & TV stations/local governments/Nationa Weather Service offices, etc could have decryption capability.
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Yes, but we also should not break all the existing radios owned by the public which alert on the EAS tones.
 
The CAP protocol does include a checksum that can be used to verify the authenticity of the message being sent. We will never see the protocol encrypted. Speaking only for the IPAWS side, there is a lengthy process that has to be done in order to obtain access to IPAWS-OPEN as a developer. I recently went through that process and I now have a memorandum of understanding with FEMA to use the various IPAWS-OPEN data sources (EAS, WEA and non-EAS.. mainly NWS stuff). Similar processes are done for those who develop software for public safety agencies in order to originate alerts. Calls to originate alerts do have to go through an authentication method.

I would oppose any encryption of IPAWS-OPEN other than the current access controls that are already in place.
 
fybush said:
Maybe *you* are just a harmless hobbyist who really wants to see IPAWS/CAP messages for whatever your innocent purposes might be. (Hint: you can see them all at the top of Michi's FCC.today for free.)
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You can see many more of them, as well as wireless alerts and NWS alerts at

IPAWS All Hazards CAP Feed | REC Networks

recnet.com recnet.com
 
RadioFixerCLE said:
I can just imagine some hobbyist with an unlicenced 10 watt FM transmitter in his attic sending out a Monthly Test...... 🙃
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A few years ago, some kid with a Baofeng transceiver transmitted an EAN, or at least that's what people say.
 
One of my cousins who works in broadcasting stored a bunch of gear from a radio station move and he was showing me the EAS box. He said "this is the little thing that makes the alerts you complain about on the radio." It sits in a rack as a display in my mocked up radio studio in my house, not hooked up to anything.
 
Negin said:
One of my cousins who works in broadcasting stored a bunch of gear from a radio station move and he was showing me the EAS box. He said "this is the little thing that makes the alerts you complain about on the radio." It sits in a rack as a display in my mocked up radio studio in my house, not hooked up to anything.
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Hey... if you're interested in selling it, i'd buy it
 
Someone was selling a software package that runs on a PC that evidently is CAP-compatible as well as handling all over the air EAS... Saw it in a group on Facebook
 
EAS is such a useless load of moose dung, i know it is for me... our monitoring assignments are fed by satellite, and anythign they carry is useless to me.. and i know several other broadcasters who are much closer to the Primary/LP1/2 and they even find it useless.
 
Off-topic, sorry, but I can't help it... ;)

SomeRadioGuy said:
EAS is such a useless load of moose dung,<...>
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Alaska has entered the chat.

A comparison to moose dung.

👏👏👏

Well done. Carry on.
 
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