Anyone have Omnia 11 presets they are willing to share? My first Omnia 11 install was huge success on a CHR. This current install, not so much. It is an active rock format, so the source material is bad to begin with. The station personnel are extremely disappointed with the Omnia 11 sound. Thanks,
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Looking for Omnia 11 presets
- Thread starter fm-engineer
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Have you called Corny at Omnia?
Also, before we go any further... what is the source material. Not how it is mastered, but how it is stored. Goring deeper:
- Is the source material linear or compressed?
- What gear is between the console and the Omnia.11? Compellor? DA's?
- What is the STL? Composite? Compressed digital? Linear digital?
- Where is the Omina? Studio or Transmitter?
- What's after the STL, but before the exciter? Any composite clippers or composite DA's?
I just finished an Omnia.11 setup and wasn't pleased with the sound. Went up to the transmitter and found a CP-803 after the composite STL that was getting belted. Re-aligned everything so the CP-803 only touched the STL bounce. Miraculously, it sounded 100 times better.
Next step is to get rid of the composite STL. In the meantime, it's recap and modify the CP-803.
Also, before we go any further... what is the source material. Not how it is mastered, but how it is stored. Goring deeper:
- Is the source material linear or compressed?
- What gear is between the console and the Omnia.11? Compellor? DA's?
- What is the STL? Composite? Compressed digital? Linear digital?
- Where is the Omina? Studio or Transmitter?
- What's after the STL, but before the exciter? Any composite clippers or composite DA's?
I just finished an Omnia.11 setup and wasn't pleased with the sound. Went up to the transmitter and found a CP-803 after the composite STL that was getting belted. Re-aligned everything so the CP-803 only touched the STL bounce. Miraculously, it sounded 100 times better.
Next step is to get rid of the composite STL. In the meantime, it's recap and modify the CP-803.
I have been working with Mark at Omnia. Those folks are great to work with, but in this case, everyone is stumped. The source material is linear AES digital, stored on Wide orbit system, and sent through a Moseley Starlink into Omnia 11 at the transmitter. No DA's, etc. All digital path. Composite output of Omnia 11 goes into Nautel digital exciter. The programming is active rock; so much of it has some distortion to begin with. However, an existing Omnia 6exi handles it much better compared with the new Omnia 11. In addition to sounding shrill and distorted, it causes some radios to blend in mono whenever the audio gets very dense. At this point I believe something has wrong with this unit. It sounds very dense and strident through the mid to upper audio range, and the bass is distorted. That is not normal for Omnia, at least with the 6exi.
Maybe a 9 would be a better fit using undo.Gotta love some of that mixed by Meth heads active rock crap.Stations should have put their foot down a long time ago.Holy clipper,Batman.
Mark CC'ed me some of the e-mail correspondences between you two as of late Friday.
What you describe is NOT the sound you should be hearing, so something is very much askew somewhere.
I send back to Mark some questions for him to follow up with you, and key to figuring out where the discontinuity lies, I feel, is to compare what you hear on the headphone monitor on the 11 with what you hear on the air.
Do they sound the same?
Do get back to Mark Manolio with the answer as I am not always monitoring this board. He designed the preset you are trying to use, as well as a revised version that you have now that you are reporting that has the same results. Mark designed Cosmic in the 6exi, as well as the version in the 11. No reason they should not have similar results.
Trust me when I say that Mark will NOT let any preset that comes close to what you describe to EVER leave the building...especially with his name attached to it! He is very much a prickly-pear when it comes to that kind of thing.
Something is wrong, and Mark wants to get to the bottom of it just as much as you do. Please let the process continue before giving up! He sent me the issues, and I responded to him yesterday with some things for the two of you to check out.
Feel free to post the resolution here when it is found as nothing sucks more on the internets / problems that have no resolution!
-C
What you describe is NOT the sound you should be hearing, so something is very much askew somewhere.
I send back to Mark some questions for him to follow up with you, and key to figuring out where the discontinuity lies, I feel, is to compare what you hear on the headphone monitor on the 11 with what you hear on the air.
Do they sound the same?
Do get back to Mark Manolio with the answer as I am not always monitoring this board. He designed the preset you are trying to use, as well as a revised version that you have now that you are reporting that has the same results. Mark designed Cosmic in the 6exi, as well as the version in the 11. No reason they should not have similar results.
Trust me when I say that Mark will NOT let any preset that comes close to what you describe to EVER leave the building...especially with his name attached to it! He is very much a prickly-pear when it comes to that kind of thing.
Something is wrong, and Mark wants to get to the bottom of it just as much as you do. Please let the process continue before giving up! He sent me the issues, and I responded to him yesterday with some things for the two of you to check out.
Feel free to post the resolution here when it is found as nothing sucks more on the internets / problems that have no resolution!
-C
fm-engineer said:Anyone have Omnia 11 presets they are willing to share? My first Omnia 11 install was huge success on a CHR. This current install, not so much. It is an active rock format, so the source material is bad to begin with. The station personnel are extremely disappointed with the Omnia 11 sound. Thanks,
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If you have a Nautel digital exciter why would you be feed it with the composite of the omnia 11
and not the aes digital input????? Your digital all the way from the studio but composite into the exciter ?????
and not the aes digital input????? Your digital all the way from the studio but composite into the exciter ?????
Ed B said:If you have a Nautel digital exciter why would you be feed it with the composite of the omnia 11
and not the aes digital input????? Your digital all the way from the studio but composite into the exciter ?????
First, because Omnia recommends using the composite over the AES; and second, the stereo generator in the Omnia processor is superior to anything offered in digital exciters, including Nautel. Composite offers the best peak control, 19 kHz notch filtering, better separation, upper spectrum filtering, and SSB stereo if you want it. It just happens this particular Omnia 11 unit is not working correctly.
Thanks Corny
cgould said:Mark CC'ed me some of the e-mail correspondences between you two as of late Friday.
What you describe is NOT the sound you should be hearing, so something is very much askew somewhere.
I send back to Mark some questions for him to follow up with you, and key to figuring out where the discontinuity lies, I feel, is to compare what you hear on the headphone monitor on the 11 with what you hear on the air.
Do they sound the same?
Do get back to Mark Manolio with the answer as I am not always monitoring this board. He designed the preset you are trying to use, as well as a revised version that you have now that you are reporting that has the same results. Mark designed Cosmic in the 6exi, as well as the version in the 11. No reason they should not have similar results.
Trust me when I say that Mark will NOT let any preset that comes close to what you describe to EVER leave the building...especially with his name attached to it! He is very much a prickly-pear when it comes to that kind of thing.
Something is wrong, and Mark wants to get to the bottom of it just as much as you do. Please let the process continue before giving up! He sent me the issues, and I responded to him yesterday with some things for the two of you to check out.
Feel free to post the resolution here when it is found as nothing sucks more on the internets / problems that have no resolution!
-C
fm-engineer said:Anyone have Omnia 11 presets they are willing to share? My first Omnia 11 install was huge success on a CHR. This current install, not so much. It is an active rock format, so the source material is bad to begin with. The station personnel are extremely disappointed with the Omnia 11 sound. Thanks,
Ditto on the Ariane. I think maybe fmeng just has a defective 11.swap the thing out or consider the 9 for that format.as far as aes vs composite input,lots of stations use aes all the way,no issues.Best i remember that issue was related to the famous Harris Ditch It exciter that has aes issues.Nothing wrong with a Nautel SG,either.It's top notch..
Turnpike Tuner said:Except for CHR, I didn't like the wideband AGC on the 11. It seemed to exaggerate low passages and actuall sounded like it was turning down loud passages on dynamic material. Bypassing it with an Ariane yielded better results for classic hits - YMMV
This depends on how the wbagc is adjusted for the target format. The early releases of the 11 did not have some of the internal controls available that eliminates the effect, such as ratio, and the pause threshold controls.
Before I broke out those parameters, what you describe was an issue on some formats. We've been getting lots of great feedback, which goes back into the continuing R&D of the 11.
Always remember to keep in touch with your experiences! If you feel you are stuck with a sound you don't like, we'll help you out of the jam.
The response you describe is easily solved. Higher pause threshold, lower ratio settings. Many folks, I find, prefer the effect, so I did not engineer it out of the system.
-C
cgould said:Turnpike Tuner said:Except for CHR, I didn't like the wideband AGC on the 11. It seemed to exaggerate low passages and actuall sounded like it was turning down loud passages on dynamic material. Bypassing it with an Ariane yielded better results for classic hits - YMMV
This depends on how the wbagc is adjusted for the target format. The early releases of the 11 did not have some of the internal controls available that eliminates the effect, such as ratio, and the pause threshold controls.
Before I broke out those parameters, what you describe was an issue on some formats. We've been getting lots of great feedback, which goes back into the continuing R&D of the 11.
Always remember to keep in touch with your experiences! If you feel you are stuck with a sound you don't like, we'll help you out of the jam.
The response you describe is easily solved. Higher pause threshold, lower ratio settings. Many folks, I find, prefer the effect, so I did not engineer it out of the system.
-C
I should have said that I did not engineer out the ability to create the effect for those who need or desire it for their format...
-C
I haven't had any issues with the WB AGC in the latest releases. One station is a AAA, running it at 3:1 ratio and around 1.25 attack and 2.0 release. Makeup Gain at 4.75 and the window at 4.0. Nice and open, keeps things in the pocket going into the following multiband AGC and doesn't get in the way.
At another station, I have an 11 with an Ariane in front of it. Sounds great as well, a little more flexibility with the AGC texture as far as tonal balance. But the WB AGC in the 11 is VERY capable on its own. It's the first processor I've used where I've felt that I didn't need anything in front of it.
Have an O-9 at a station with a Nautel and use the composite in. I would lose all the advantages of the "composite embedder" in the 9 if I used the AES in to the transmitter. It's pretty wild to watch the meters on a Belar FMS-2 peg while the composite sits at 100%.
I've used AES in, but prefer to keep it all "in the box" as far as the stereo generator is concerned. Have always found that the peak control is better. Maybe the newer offerings are better, but I was ruined on AES in by the Harris Dig-it-a-grave interface. And their idea of a composite limiter... yikes.
At another station, I have an 11 with an Ariane in front of it. Sounds great as well, a little more flexibility with the AGC texture as far as tonal balance. But the WB AGC in the 11 is VERY capable on its own. It's the first processor I've used where I've felt that I didn't need anything in front of it.
Have an O-9 at a station with a Nautel and use the composite in. I would lose all the advantages of the "composite embedder" in the 9 if I used the AES in to the transmitter. It's pretty wild to watch the meters on a Belar FMS-2 peg while the composite sits at 100%.
I've used AES in, but prefer to keep it all "in the box" as far as the stereo generator is concerned. Have always found that the peak control is better. Maybe the newer offerings are better, but I was ruined on AES in by the Harris Dig-it-a-grave interface. And their idea of a composite limiter... yikes.
A process of testing and elimination revealed some type of problem with the AES input of the Omnia 11. Thank you team Omnia for the wonderful support!
cgould said:Something is wrong, and Mark wants to get to the bottom of it just as much as you do. Please let the process continue before giving up! He sent me the issues, and I responded to him yesterday with some things for the two of you to check out.
Feel free to post the resolution here when it is found as nothing sucks more on the internets / problems that have no resolution!
-C
fm-engineer said:Anyone have Omnia 11 presets they are willing to share? My first Omnia 11 install was huge success on a CHR. This current install, not so much. It is an active rock format, so the source material is bad to begin with. The station personnel are extremely disappointed with the Omnia 11 sound. Thanks,
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