If you are the owner of a radio station that reaches Los Angeles or know someone that owns such a station and is interested in selling please contact me. Email address is [email protected]
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LOOKING TO BUY LOS ANGELES STATION.
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amisdead
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I'm looking to buy one of the recently-retired Space Shuttles so that I can bring it to Texas. If you own one or know someone who owns one that is looking to unload, please direct message me.
Just like old-time Tradio.
Just like old-time Tradio.
josh said:
Nobody at the actual KFWB location would be authorized to negotiate a sale. In fact, they would likely not like the idea. The station is in a trust, but ultimately traces back to CBS.
The station is likely listed with a broker. To start conversations, you'd need to prove you could do a deal in the $25 million vicinity. You'd likely need your own FCC counsel, too.
DavidEduardo said:
So your saying the one station on town that must be sold in order to comply with FCC regulations is actually not for sale, they won't talk to you unless you have $25 million and your own FCC counsel, and even if you did have those things, no one there is authorized to talk about it?
One almost gets the idea that they are simply flaunting the regulations, have done so for years, and never had any intention to sell in the first place.
don't most major players get their station availability info from a radio web site?
ChannelFlipper said:
No, I am saying that nobody at the station itself is in a position to negotiate. The staff of a station, any station, is not going to negotiate to sell the station. And the staff of most stations is not going to be particularly interested in "their" station being sold as such a change may bring changes in programming, management and more that puts their jobs in jeopardy.
The only folks who can negotiate will be found in upper management at the parent corporation.
When someone makes overtures with CBS corporate management, the first thing that will be required is some kind of proof of the ability to close... a bank commitment to lend, cash on hand, letters of intent to invest by backers and their financials, etc. Once that prerequisite is met, negotiation can begin in the approximate vicinity of the worth of the station.
The station is in a trust, and complies with the regulations. It appears likely that CBS would want to get rid of the station as it is AM, it's a relatively bad signal and it does not really have a viable format or ratings.
romer979fm said:
... or eBay?
josh said:
I like turtles.
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OCradiodude
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Isn't Amaturo still trying to sell the 92.7 trimulcast?
Last I knew the asking prices was $150 million.
KJLL
KHJL
KAJL
KHJL1
Three stations for the price of one, plus a free booster. :
Last I knew the asking prices was $150 million.
KJLL
KHJL
KAJL
KHJL1
Three stations for the price of one, plus a free booster. :
Amaturo is always looking to sell but wants $75 million for POJ signals.
SBS is in a world of financial hurt, and could be had, but having to try to negotiate with Alarcon will give anyone an ulcer. I think he even managed to turn the Four Square Church board into of radical loons in negotiating the KXOL deal.
SBS is in a world of financial hurt, and could be had, but having to try to negotiate with Alarcon will give anyone an ulcer. I think he even managed to turn the Four Square Church board into of radical loons in negotiating the KXOL deal.
chris319 said:
CBS has to sell it (Viacom and CBS were split some time ago into separate entities) because they own 1 too many stations in the market (they lost the grandfathered status when CBS spun off from Viacom). So, in the long run, they have no choice.
A few years back, 1650 sold for $35 million. The dreadful 1190 recently went for around $10. And look at what Art Moreno paid for 830, a worse signal than 980.
The signal would make good money in a variety of niche formats, and just by covering a good part of LA we have the base price.
Does KFWB really only cover "a good part of LA", David?
Last I checked, they use a non-directional antenna.
If they really only cover part of L.A. as it seems you may be implying, then how is it I can hear them so well in Cameron Corners, CA, about 140 miles southeast of their transmitter, as well as at home south of El Cajon, about 116 miles to the southeast?
BTW that recording from home was made a couple years ago. The powerline noise has gotten a bit peskier recently, as can be heard in this recent recording of 980 KFWB. Any suggestions on how to get that fixed?
Also I seem to remember you saying that no station in the Coachella Valley completely covers that area. If so, then how is it I hear 970 KNWZ Coachella quite well in Cameron Corners, CA and also in El Cajon, CA?
If those stations didn't completely cover L.A. (for KFWB) or the Coachella Valley (for KNWZ), I would expect them to be faint but readable (and a little farther from the transmitter, barely detectable) somewhere within those areas, and like this from here near El Cajon. I guess my definition of weak-but-still-readable signals is different than others?
(Also you've said radio listening in L.A. is done within the 10 mV/m contour - would that imply that stations sound like my last recordings (btw the two with detectable signals actually were a local with an unsensitive radio nulling the station and a detuned loop further nulling them) at the 9.999 mV/m contour? Or, do most consumer radios consist of only a diode, variable capacitor and earphones, and/or are most people unwilling to listen to a signal unless it's very strong like in this recording, like I would get from some place like here? )
If I can get KFWB and KNWZ this well from this far away, using only simple portable pocket radios and small loop antennas (occasionally aided by a metal fence or other similar piece of metal that happens to act as an antenna), then how far would you expect their signals would reach until they're undetectable with a high-end communications receiver (with something like maybe 3 stages of front-end tuned RF in front of the separate local oscillator and mixer, 8 IF stages and four 12-pole IF filters, for example) and tuned 2-wavelength beverage antenna?
Last I checked, they use a non-directional antenna.
If they really only cover part of L.A. as it seems you may be implying, then how is it I can hear them so well in Cameron Corners, CA, about 140 miles southeast of their transmitter, as well as at home south of El Cajon, about 116 miles to the southeast?
BTW that recording from home was made a couple years ago. The powerline noise has gotten a bit peskier recently, as can be heard in this recent recording of 980 KFWB. Any suggestions on how to get that fixed?
Also I seem to remember you saying that no station in the Coachella Valley completely covers that area. If so, then how is it I hear 970 KNWZ Coachella quite well in Cameron Corners, CA and also in El Cajon, CA?
If those stations didn't completely cover L.A. (for KFWB) or the Coachella Valley (for KNWZ), I would expect them to be faint but readable (and a little farther from the transmitter, barely detectable) somewhere within those areas, and like this from here near El Cajon.
I guess my definition of weak-but-still-readable signals is different than others? (Also you've said radio listening in L.A. is done within the 10 mV/m contour - would that imply that stations sound like my last recordings (btw the two with detectable signals actually were a local with an unsensitive radio nulling the station and a detuned loop further nulling them) at the 9.999 mV/m contour? Or, do most consumer radios consist of only a diode, variable capacitor and earphones, and/or are most people unwilling to listen to a signal unless it's very strong like in this recording, like I would get from some place like here?
)If I can get KFWB and KNWZ this well from this far away, using only simple portable pocket radios and small loop antennas (occasionally aided by a metal fence or other similar piece of metal that happens to act as an antenna), then how far would you expect their signals would reach until they're undetectable with a high-end communications receiver (with something like maybe 3 stages of front-end tuned RF in front of the separate local oscillator and mixer, 8 IF stages and four 12-pole IF filters, for example) and tuned 2-wavelength beverage antenna?
tfc, you've taken "ridiculous" to a new level. Are you seriously questioning what "cover" means in the context of the statement? No one besides a few dx-o-files like yourself is going to listen to a station that sounds like your samples of KFWB. Yes, "most people" are "unwilling to listen to a signal unless it's very strong ...". It's 2011, not 1962.
tfcwings said:
It does not matter if a DXer can hear a ratty signal in Chico or Barstow. Extensive study of ratings data shows that unless there is at least a 14 mV/m signal in e LA MSA there is no significant listening. The KFWB 15 mV/m signal misses some of the metro, so it is not a full signal for commercial purposes.
Yet the owner of 970 has to repeat it on 1140 and 94.3 to fully cover the Coachella valley with a signal that listeners will use, day in and day out...because 970 alone does not get a good day signal even to Palm desert and at night, even in La Quinta it is noisy.
This is about the reality of what listeners do... Not about hobbyst reception.
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amisdead
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Look at KNEWS' website and Facebook profile. It's pretty telling that a 99 watt translator is now their primary frequency brand. It also reveals how inadequate 970 and 1140 are and in what a death spiral the whole AM band is in.
amisdead said:
In the case of K-News, the real issue is that the ground conductivity in reality (not the FCC predicted conductivity) is rivaled by a 40-mile-long sheet of glass. 1140, 10 kw during daytime hours, is lost in the eastern end of the Valley. 970, which sits in the middle of artichoke and tomato fields in the far east Valley, is not a good signal in populated areas in the west Valley (Palm Springs, Cat City, Desert Hot Springs, Rancho Mirage).
There's an AM band issue, but in the Coachella Valley, growth has outdistanced all the signals and not one of them covers the whole market in the daytime, and none even covers a third of it at night.
The 99 watts on FM do pretty well due to nice height. It misses the Coves, and has some shadows, but is overall not too bad... and much better than any AM.
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