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Los Angeles Radio Ratings: June 2023

Following up on the disqualification of the KBUE stream as an FM simulcast, Nielsen has issued this statement.

On Tuesday, July 11th, Nielsen released a Product Notice to clients in Los Angeles indicating that a Total Line Reporting (TLR) station combination, KBUE-FM and KBUE-IF, were ineligible for TLR in the June 2023 survey period, and that we reported that station combination separately in the June 2023 Los Angeles Radio Market Report.

Nielsen has also determined that the same TLR station combination was ineligible for TLR in survey periods prior to June 2023. Reporting KBUE-FM and KBUE-IF separately results in material changes to Los Angeles estimates in the February 2023 through May 2023 Radio Market Reports.
Total Line Reporting means that stations that are 100% simulcast for nearly all hours of the month can choose to have their ratings combined in one line.

Nielsen says about TLR:

To be eligible for TLR, stations must broadcast the same programming and commercials for at least 95% of all quarter-hours during the report period/survey. In PPM markets, TLR partner stations may break simulcast for up to 134 quarter-hours during a 28-day survey and remain eligible for TLR under the following circumstances:
  • The stations break simulcast to broadcast different programming and different commercials and
  • Each simulcast break is at least one hour and
  • No single simulcast break is more than 12 continuous hours
 
hotpatrick2004 said:
There is no format hole in LA. Power 106 going up against krth would be an epic fail. It will never happen. Power and kroq are here to stay. The 80s is covered in this city there is no room at the inn for anymore melt with you or pick ur burned out 80s
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KROQ absolutely here to stay but in what capacity. It appears to be going backwards and getting worse by the month. How much longer do they keep the current staff?
 
I don't think they should have outright fired Kevin and the other people from the morning show. They should have had something ready to go when bean left the morning show. It isn't like they didn't have advance warning of bean leaving. There current morning show is mediocre at best. Woody show on alt 98.7 so much better.

I would rather listen to Heidi and frank on klos then kroq current morning show. Hiring Mike Kaplan didn't help matters. Woody always said Kaplan very good guy but not very good at his job. Kevin weatherly taking over the reigns again has helped some.

Time will tell but time is ticking...
 
DavidEduardo said:
Following up on the disqualification of the KBUE stream as an FM simulcast, Nielsen has issued this statement.

On Tuesday, July 11th, Nielsen released a Product Notice to clients in Los Angeles indicating that a Total Line Reporting (TLR) station combination, KBUE-FM and KBUE-IF, were ineligible for TLR in the June 2023 survey period, and that we reported that station combination separately in the June 2023 Los Angeles Radio Market Report.

Nielsen has also determined that the same TLR station combination was ineligible for TLR in survey periods prior to June 2023. Reporting KBUE-FM and KBUE-IF separately results in material changes to Los Angeles estimates in the February 2023 through May 2023 Radio Market Reports.
Total Line Reporting means that stations that are 100% simulcast for nearly all hours of the month can choose to have their ratings combined in one line.

Nielsen says about TLR:

To be eligible for TLR, stations must broadcast the same programming and commercials for at least 95% of all quarter-hours during the report period/survey. In PPM markets, TLR partner stations may break simulcast for up to 134 quarter-hours during a 28-day survey and remain eligible for TLR under the following circumstances:
  • The stations break simulcast to broadcast different programming and different commercials and
  • Each simulcast break is at least one hour and
  • No single simulcast break is more than 12 continuous hours
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The re-issued L.A. ratings for April + May '23 involving KBUE (FM + Stream):

The FM is now 2.8-2.7-2.2 Apr-May-June - it was 4.0-4.0-2.2.
The Stream is now 1.4-1.4-1.0 Apr-May-June - it was 0.0-0.0-1.0.

The new figures for February + March are not publicly available:
the FM was 3.2-4.0 Feb-Mar.
the stream was 0.0-0.0 Feb-Mar.
It's probably safe to assume that the Feb-Mar adjustments were similar to the Apr-May adjustments.
 
pjc1961 said:
The re-issued L.A. ratings for April + May '23 involving KBUE (FM + Stream):

The FM is now 2.8-2.7-2.2 Apr-May-June - it was 4.0-4.0-2.2.
The Stream is now 1.4-1.4-1.0 Apr-May-June - it was 0.0-0.0-1.0.

The new figures for February + March are not publicly available:
the FM was 3.2-4.0 Feb-Mar.
the stream was 0.0-0.0 Feb-Mar.
It's probably safe to assume that the Feb-Mar adjustments were similar to the Apr-May adjustments.
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That's a lot of stream listeners. Really? How many simultaneous listeners does it take to get you a 1.4 rating in Los Angeles? Seems like they must have one beefy server to handle that many connections.

Dave B.
 
Will we ever see a day when streams/terrestrial stations are on the same line of reporting? Do all stations in LA report their streams or do some just not report them? I’m curious how many people are listening to the stream (not ppm)
 
Loverofradio said:
Will we ever see a day when streams/terrestrial stations are on the same line of reporting? Do all stations in LA report their streams or do some just not report them? I’m curious how many people are listening to the stream (not ppm)
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Each listener connects to a streaming server, so technically a broadcaster wouldn't have to subscribe to Nielsen to get raw listeners. All you have to do is check server logs. What those logs don't tell you, however, is whether that listener is a robot or in a desirable demographic. The original page that started this thread is now updated, I see. Stream listeners are listed at the bottom, with KNX, KXOL, KLAX, KCBS, and KROQ showing up with 0.1 or 0.2 shares, which may or may not be accurate when you get that far down into the noise.

Then there's the KBUE stream up at 1.0. With a cume that's more than double what any other stream shows. I'm skeptical.

Dave B.
 
Loverofradio said:
Will we ever see a day when streams/terrestrial stations are on the same line of reporting? Do all stations in LA report their streams or do some just not report them? I’m curious how many people are listening to the stream (not ppm)
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Many, if not all, stations swap out the commercial breaks in the stream for other material (often PSAs and promos). So the primary purpose of ratings---to tell advertisers how many people are listening---would be damaged if you bundle those two sources.
 
Loverofradio said:
Will we ever see a day when streams/terrestrial stations are on the same line of reporting? Do all stations in LA report their streams or do some just not report them? I’m curious how many people are listening to the stream (not ppm)
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Stations do not "report" anything. The PPM measures the encoding detected from panelist behaviour. If the stream is encoded, and nearly all rated PPM market streams are, it will be measured.

But if the stream does not run the same ads as the AM or FM or HD channel, then it will be listed separately. To be combined, a stream must be a near 100% simulcast of the originating broadcast signal. Michael detailed the reason why they are not combined in this case.

OTOH, if the stream and the broadcast signal are identical for all but a few hours a week, then the station can select Single Line Reporting and the two will be combined .
 
DaveBayArea said:
That's a lot of stream listeners. Really? How many simultaneous listeners does it take to get you a 1.4 rating in Los Angeles? Seems like they must have one beefy server to handle that many connections.
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The PPM does not measure streams. It measures listening /hearing via a meter carried by just a "couple of thousand people" in all of LA. Nielsen projects the behaviour of its panel into the universe (the total population) to get the ratings it publishes.

With average 6 AM to Midnight usage of radio around 6% in LA, that means that, if there are 3000 meters, there are about 175 people at any given time actually listening to the radio. A station with a 5 share would have 8 to 12 meters listening on average.
 
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