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Lost another one to talk. Goodbye, 'KB.

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pqgeorge

WWKB 1520 in Buffalo goes "liberal talk" as of 3:00 PM today (Monday). KB was a great oldies station and I am going to miss it on my preset. To the crew at 'KB, thank you for a great time and some great memories. You will be missed.<P ID="signature">______________
Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
Whitman, Massachusetts</P>
 
another one

No question they sounded good. Just a limited audience and very little money to be made.


> WWKB 1520 in Buffalo goes "liberal talk" as of 3:00 PM today
> (Monday). KB was a great oldies station and I am going to
> miss it on my preset. To the crew at 'KB, thank you for a
> great time and some great memories. You will be missed.
>
 
> WWKB 1520 in Buffalo goes "liberal talk" as of 3:00 PM today
> (Monday). KB was a great oldies station and I am going to
> miss it on my preset. To the crew at 'KB, thank you for a
> great time and some great memories. You will be missed.
>
Oh, no!! I had a preset on my car radio in Columbus, Ohio, for the drive to work every morning! Now I'm left with just WRLL.
 
Re: another one

> No question they sounded good. Just a limited audience and
> very little money to be made.

I was waiting for KB to flip to after WSAI flipped to lib talk last year. Did Entercom do anything to promote this station?

Billy G.
http://listen.to/jangleradio
 
> WWKB 1520 in Buffalo goes "liberal talk" as of 3:00 PM today
> (Monday). KB was a great oldies station and I am going to
> miss it on my preset. To the crew at 'KB, thank you for a
> great time and some great memories. You will be missed.

Ewwwww!

It would have been bad enough if they went to Salem!

But replacing oldies with libtalk really sucks.

Does anyone remember WKBW's early-60s "Hey daddy" jingle?

73s from 954
WKBW listener during the golden age of rock 'n' roll!
 
Re: another one

> No question they sounded good. Just a limited audience and
> very little money to be made.
>
>
> > WWKB 1520 in Buffalo goes "liberal talk" as of 3:00 PM
> today
> > (Monday). KB was a great oldies station and I am going to
>
> > miss it on my preset. To the crew at 'KB, thank you for a
>
> > great time and some great memories. You will be missed.
> >
>
Limited audience? Like liberal talk is ever going to draw bigger numbers (and ad revenues)! For the life of me, I cannot fathom the logic behind many of these flips. I'm still waiting for Infinity to explain the reason behind replacing WCBS 101.1 FM and a consistent 3.0+ rating for the JACK format, which hasn't even done half of that since the change last June.
 
Re: another one

> Limited audience?

Very limited. The music format had very low shares.

> Like liberal talk is ever going to draw
> bigger numbers (and ad revenues)!

Whatever it gets will be in prime sales demos, 25-54, as opposed to unsalable demos that old oldies get.

> For the life of me, I
> cannot fathom the logic behind many of these flips.

Revenue potential.

> I'm
> still waiting for Infinity to explain the reason behind
> replacing WCBS 101.1 FM and a consistent 3.0+ rating for the
> JACK format, which hasn't even done half of that since the
> change last June.

Demos. The 25-54 is on the new format is growing, while in the old one it was nearly gone, and revenue vs. market was down 40% since 1999.
>
 
another one

Yes, it will.

And, you can't parallel KB-AM and CBS-FM dropping Oldies. Not even close.

> >
> Limited audience? Like liberal talk is ever going to draw
> bigger numbers (and ad revenues)! For the life of me, I
> cannot fathom the logic behind many of these flips. I'm
> still waiting for Infinity to explain the reason behind
> replacing WCBS 101.1 FM and a consistent 3.0+ rating for the
> JACK format, which hasn't even done half of that since the
> change last June.
>
 
CBS-FM/KB-15/oldies loss suggestion

> Limited audience? Like liberal talk is ever going to draw
> bigger numbers (and ad revenues)! For the life of me, I
> cannot fathom the logic behind many of these flips.

Might I suggest that those who have been struck by the loss of favorite and favored oldies stations, from New York or Buffalo to Chicago, try moving your radio dial to the left-hand side of the FM band. There are a number of non-commercial stations run by colleges and community groups that feature oldies programming full-time, or for whole days (WSTB's Sunday Oldies Jukebox--on the Web too), or for blocks of time throughout the week and weekend (see also, Sundays on WBWC/Berea, Ohio).

That money that you might have given to the advertisers who don't care about the over 54 (or even, over 45) age group, instead donate to your favorite non-comm operation. Many of them have fund drives--March and April are prime fund drive times, and you know that tax refund is burning a hole in your pocket--and are dependent upon listener support to keep operating and not selling off to a religious operator or an NPR affiliate.

Oldies can and will survive, and on FM in stereo, but it will take a movement of people to move down-down the dial into the left hand side (or the right hand side, if you have a digital tuner than scrolls all the way around!) :) Some non-comm oldies programming is showing great inroads against the heritage stations that have changed their format for advertiser purposes, and changed their personality for corporate purposes.

The excitment and great music lives on, with personality and good times, but without the commercials! You though 18 songs and hour was good? You ain't seen nothin' yet.

So, dial around, see what the college's have to offer. Ask for a program guide and the show times for oldies or whatever else strikes your fancy.

And, please, tell your friends and family!

We non-comm personalities and oldies lovers thank you for considering us.
 
another one

They could have plastered billboards on every street corner and it wouldn't have made much difference. Oldies fans have been listening to their music on FM for over 20 years- AM is (for the most part) an unacceptable sacrifice to hear their music. Most would prefer CDs, Satellite or an MP3 player vs. the static and fidelity that's on AM signals, 50kw notwithstanding.

I think there's this "well, AM was OK in the '60s so it should be OK now" and that's a bunch of wishful thinking. AM was THE medium in the '50s and '60s.
It is now 2006 and the AM band is for talkers and radio Disney (mostly talkers).
>
> I was waiting for KB to flip to after WSAI flipped to lib
> talk last year. Did Entercom do anything to promote this
> station?
>
> Billy G.
> http://listen.to/jangleradio
>
 
Re: CBS-FM/KB-15/oldies loss suggestion

Most non-commercial stations have a stream and a program guide on their website.

Check out Twine Time on kut.org on Saturday night at 7PM Central.

> So, dial around, see what the college's have to offer. Ask
> for a program guide and the show times for oldies or
> whatever else strikes your fancy.
>
> And, please, tell your friends and family!
>
> We non-comm personalities and oldies lovers thank you for
> considering us.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected]</P>
 
Re: another one

Have the stations that dropped oldies some time ago fared better revenue wise? If the revenues zre lower are they continuing to grow? It may be early yet for meaningful data on WCBS, but WSAI has been talking for a year. A number of others have also been with their new formats for some time now.

Is there any info you or the others in the business can share?

Thanks in advance.


> > Limited audience?
>
> Very limited. The music format had very low shares.
>
> > Like liberal talk is ever going to draw
> > bigger numbers (and ad revenues)!
>
> Whatever it gets will be in prime sales demos, 25-54, as
> opposed to unsalable demos that old oldies get.
>
> > For the life of me, I
> > cannot fathom the logic behind many of these flips.
>
> Revenue potential.
>
> > I'm
> > still waiting for Infinity to explain the reason behind
> > replacing WCBS 101.1 FM and a consistent 3.0+ rating for
> the
> > JACK format, which hasn't even done half of that since the
>
> > change last June.
>
> Demos. The 25-54 is on the new format is growing, while in
> the old one it was nearly gone, and revenue vs. market was
> down 40% since 1999.
> >
>
 
revenue

Not trying to answer for David but one thing I want to point out is that we have to be careful about using the CBS-FM flip as an umbrella over all the Oldies stations who've flipped. It was the original Oldies station (for most of us) and wasn't unsuccessful from a revenue standpoint when they flipped to Jack- that move wasn't made for last or this year but long-term (and, it could be argued they botched it from a P.R. standpoint, etc.).

Most stations who've dropped Oldies did so for revenue purposes- they didn't see the tide changing when it comes to additudes about marketing to 50+ radio listeners and decided not to get caught behind the eight ball. From an emotional and love-of-the-format view, it sucks- from a business standpoint, it is understandable.

All that being said, Oldies Programmers bear some responsibility here. Way too many refused to evolve the era balance of their stations and it seemed like one day we woke up and these stations sounded "old"- out of date, and it was too late for most to recover. At least 5 years ago, a gentle evolution away from '50s and into the '70s should have begun but that was a tough concept for the purists to put their arms around. Unfortunately, it resulted in a general red flag for the industry that said "the format's over- all their listeners are moving into their late '50s and early '60s and there ain't no gold in them thar hills".

> Have the stations that dropped oldies some time ago fared
> better revenue wise? If the revenues zre lower are they
> continuing to grow? It may be early yet for meaningful data
> on WCBS, but WSAI has been talking for a year. A number of
> others have also been with their new formats for some time
> now.
>
> Is there any info you or the others in the business can
> share?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> > > Limited audience? Very limited. The music format had very low shares.
 
Re: CBS-FM/KB-15/oldies loss suggestion

> > Limited audience? Like liberal talk is ever going to draw
>
> > bigger numbers (and ad revenues)! For the life of me, I
> > cannot fathom the logic behind many of these flips.
>
> Might I suggest that those who have been struck by the loss
> of favorite and favored oldies stations, from New York or
> Buffalo to Chicago, try moving your radio dial to the
> left-hand side of the FM band. There are a number of
> non-commercial stations run by colleges and community groups
> that feature oldies programming full-time, or for whole days
> (WSTB's Sunday Oldies Jukebox--on the Web too), or for
> blocks of time throughout the week and weekend (see also,
> Sundays on WBWC/Berea, Ohio).
>

The problem with college/community oldies programs -- at least the ones I've heard on Connecticut and Massachusetts stations -- is that they tend to be all-Motown, or all-'50s, or all-doo wop, or all-British Invasion, or all-"lost 45s." I just want to hear a mid-'50s through mid-'70s music mix, with all the familiar hits and three or four "oh, wow" oldies an hour for a little spice. The XM oldies channels do a decent job, but they're segregated by decade and provide no option for listeners like me, who want to hear Little Richard AND the Beatles AND BTO without constantly pushing buttons.
 
HD radio may be for you

> The problem with college/community oldies programs -- at
> least the ones I've heard on Connecticut and Massachusetts
> stations -- is that they tend to be all-Motown, or all-'50s,
> or all-doo wop, or all-British Invasion, or all-"lost 45s."
> I just want to hear a mid-'50s through mid-'70s music mix,
> with all the familiar hits and three or four "oh, wow"
> oldies an hour for a little spice. The XM oldies channels do
> a decent job, but they're segregated by decade and provide
> no option for listeners like me, who want to hear Little
> Richard AND the Beatles AND BTO without constantly pushing
> buttons.
>
Have you checked out some of the Oldies stations on Clear Channel's HD website??
They make a 32k bits/second stream in stereo, its not too bad.

http://www.clearchannelmusic.com/hdradio/

I have been listening lately to Tulsa's KQLL-FM HD-2 50s and 60s oldies.

A sample of what they're playing including a few OH WOW songs:

Since I Lost My Baby-Temptations
Today I Met the Boy I'm Gonna Marry-Darlene Love
Kansas City-Wilber Harrison
You Don't Have to Say You Love Me-Dusty Springfield
Mr Postman-Marvelettes
Love Child-Diana Ross & The Supremes
Sea of Love-Phil Phillips
Jean - Oliver (who plays this??!! haha)
Sign of the Times-Petula Clark
Hello Mary Lou-Rick Nelson
I'm A Believer-Monkees
Lonely Weekends-Charlie Rich
In the Still of the Night-Five Satins
Backstage-Gene Pitney (an artist TOTALLY forgotten by radio with 16 Top 40 hits!!--- I guess some ppl think he was a one-hit wonder with "It Hurts to be in Love")
Judy's Turn to Cry-Leslie Gore
More Today than Yesterday-Spiral Starecase (yep how many know that's how you spell it?)
He Will Break Your Heart-Jerry Butler
Only 16-Sam Cooke
If You Gotta Make a Fool of Somebody-James Ray (a true OH WOW 1-hit wonder song from late 1961!)
Happy Together-Turtles (ever hear of this one??)
It's Not For Me To Say-Johnny Mathis
I'm Ready for Love-Martha Reeves and the Vandellas
You Belong To Me-Duprees
Slippin' and Slidin'-Little Richard
Sherry-Four Seasons
I Get Around-Beach Boys
Lover Please-Clyde McPhatter
 
a few other songs on KQLL-FM

Since I Met You Baby-Ivory Joe Hinter
Nashville Cats & Darling Be Home Soon-Lovin' Spoonful
Go Now-Moody Blues (another forgotten song by oldies stations)
Roll Over Beethoven-Chuck Berry version
Little Arrows-(Leapy Lee)(?) - a song that SHOULD be forgotten and it is
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by SuperRadioFan on 02/09/06 02:05 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: a few other songs on KQLL-FM

> Since I Met You Baby-Ivory Joe Hinter
> Nashville Cats & Darling Be Home Soon-Lovin' Spoonful
> Go Now-Moody Blues (another forgotten song by oldies
> stations)

You think that's forgotten, what about the ORIGINAL version by Bessie Banks, so much better than the Moody Blues' already excellent rendition. Oooooh, my soul!

> Roll Over Beethoven-Chuck Berry version
> Little Arrows-(Leapy Lee)(?) - a song that SHOULD be
> forgotten and it is
>
 
Attn:Johnny Morgan, The left side of the dial in California is pretty depressing!

> > Limited audience? Like liberal talk is ever going to draw
>
> > bigger numbers (and ad revenues)! For the life of me, I
> > cannot fathom the logic behind many of these flips.
>
> Might I suggest that those who have been struck by the loss
> of favorite and favored oldies stations, from New York or
> Buffalo to Chicago, try moving your radio dial to the
> left-hand side of the FM band. There are a number of
> non-commercial stations run by colleges and community groups
> that feature oldies programming full-time, or for whole days
> (WSTB's Sunday Oldies Jukebox--on the Web too), or for
> blocks of time throughout the week and weekend (see also,
> Sundays on WBWC/Berea, Ohio).
>
> That money that you might have given to the advertisers who
> don't care about the over 54 (or even, over 45) age group,
> instead donate to your favorite non-comm operation. Many of
> them have fund drives--March and April are prime fund drive
> times, and you know that tax refund is burning a hole in
> your pocket--and are dependent upon listener support to keep
> operating and not selling off to a religious operator or an
> NPR affiliate.
>
> Oldies can and will survive, and on FM in stereo, but it
> will take a movement of people to move down-down the dial
> into the left hand side (or the right hand side, if you have
> a digital tuner than scrolls all the way around!) :) Some
> non-comm oldies programming is showing great inroads against
> the heritage stations that have changed their format for
> advertiser purposes, and changed their personality for
> corporate purposes.
>
> The excitment and great music lives on, with personality and
> good times, but without the commercials! You though 18
> songs and hour was good? You ain't seen nothin' yet.
>
> So, dial around, see what the college's have to offer. Ask
> for a program guide and the show times for oldies or
> whatever else strikes your fancy.
>
> And, please, tell your friends and family!
>
> We non-comm personalities and oldies lovers thank you for
> considering us.
>
Well Johnny, there maybe some of those stations in the East Coast but in California in the Central Valley where we lost both KFRC-99.7 San Francisco and KCCL-101.9 Sacramento, the only thing on our left side of the dial is NPR, Classical, Jazz,and Christian Programming, no oldies in sight. Between K-Love and Family Radio, the left side of the dial is also pretty depressing.There is only one high school station playing off the wall Alternative/Heavy Metal Music not covered by commercial Radio but no oldies.
 
Re: Attn:Johnny Morgan, The left side of the dial in California is pretty depressing!

> Well Johnny, there maybe some of those stations in the East
> Coast but in California in the Central Valley where we lost
> both KFRC-99.7 San Francisco and KCCL-101.9 Sacramento, the
> only thing on our left side of the dial is NPR, Classical,
> Jazz,and Christian Programming, no oldies in sight. Between
> K-Love and Family Radio, the left side of the dial is also
> pretty depressing.There is only one high school station
> playing off the wall Alternative/Heavy Metal Music not
> covered by commercial Radio but no oldies.

Then, please, try the Sunday Oldies Jukebox from WSTB-Streetsboro/Akron, Ohio. We're on once a week, which is better than none, and we try to do what the commercial stations used to do...but won't anymore.

It sucks that California's non-comm band is so depressingly vanilla. If you're willing to invest some time, I assure you that trying out some of the college stations and non-comms that stream will be a delight.

In addition to the SOJ, try WBWC (Sunday afternoons/nights), WJCU (Tuesday afternoons), WRCT (Carnegie Mellon, Sat. afternoons), and some other searches.

I hope this can help. We all ahve to band together in this time of need. :)
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Johnny Morgan on 02/09/06 06:22 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Attn:Johnny Morgan, The left side of the dial in California is pretty depressing!

> > Well Johnny, there maybe some of those stations in the
> East
> > Coast but in California in the Central Valley where we
> lost
> > both KFRC-99.7 San Francisco and KCCL-101.9 Sacramento,
> the
> > only thing on our left side of the dial is NPR, Classical,
>
> > Jazz,and Christian Programming, no oldies in sight.
> Between
> > K-Love and Family Radio, the left side of the dial is also
>
> > pretty depressing.There is only one high school station
> > playing off the wall Alternative/Heavy Metal Music not
> > covered by commercial Radio but no oldies.
>
> Then, please, try the Sunday Oldies Jukebox from
> WSTB-Streetsboro/Akron, Ohio. We're on once a week, which
> is better than none, and we try to do what the commercial
> stations used to do...but won't anymore.
>
> It sucks that California's non-comm band is so depressingly
> vanilla. If you're willing to invest some time, I assure
> you that trying out some of the college stations and
> non-comms that stream will be a delight.
>
> In addition to the SOJ, try WBWC (Sunday afternoons/nights),
> WJCU (Tuesday afternoons), WRCT (Carnegie Mellon, Sat.
> afternoons), and some other searches.
>
> I hope this can help. We all ahve to band together in this
> time of need. :)
>
Thanks for your help Johnny. This is what I can pick up in Stockton. : KEAR-88.1 Religious, KQED-88.5 NPR Talk, KXJZ-88.9 NPR Talk and Jazz, K-LOVE Translator-89.3 Christian Music, KYCC-90.1 Religious, KVHS-90.5 Alternative/Heavy Metal, K-LOVE Translator-90.7 Chrfistian Music, KXPR-90.9 NPR Talk and Classical and KUOP-91.3 NPR Talk and Jazz simulcast of KXJZ-88.9. At home I can listen to live streams via computer but at work I am out of luck! 20 years ago it was a different story but now it is pretty depressing!
 
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