Love FM's Saturday Night Dance Party

[Countrykev]

If YOU (rkchgo) don't like the music, that's your business. You don't have to attack others that do and want to hear more of it on the airwaves. Don't give these BS excuses on why House Music shouldn't be played on the radio. This is CHICAGO, one of the world's best House cities and if you don't like it maybe you need to move!!!!

[EDIT]

Anyway, there is a reason why the same old songs get played over and over on the radio. It's because the stations that do...........people listen to! They get the biggest ratings! Classic rock stations haven't added new songs in decades yet they consistently do well across the country. Surprisingly people like to listen to music they know What a concept!

Opinions are like a**holes. Everyone's got one. You say house music can work...there is an audience. Who is the "They?" You and your friends? You and the 50 other people at the club last weekend?

I say it can't. Not enough money. Believe me when I say that broadcasters through and through are all about the money. IF there was ANY possibility dance/house music could work on a traditional over-the-air FM station it would be done.

Wait. It was done. Oh, right. B96 gave it up. Oh, and Energy's owner went under.

Radio is a BROADCAST medium seeking MASS MARKET appeal. This means that you try and please the most amount of people that you can with what you've got. You can either super-serve a very small group of people or broadly serve a mass audience. That's why mass-appeal formats like AC, Classic Rock, and Country are so prevailent in this country. They're familiar. They're low-risk.

If I remember right a good portion of Energy's clients were dance clubs and bars. Anyone who has ever done radio sales knows those two catagories are darn near the worst. They have little money to spend and half the time don't pay their bills anyway. That's if they even stay in business long enough to pay the bills...

Radio is a business...you go with low risk. Classic Rock is a low-risk. Dance is high-risk. Those who have done dance have failed. You're more likely to succeed with a bland AC or being the 5th urban station in town than to do something a niched as Dance. It's just plain business.

You think I'm wrong? Buy yourself a radio station and try it for yourself. When you're actually looking at the spreadsheets it's a whole different ballgame. Prove me wrong.

[EDIT-inflammatory]

 

[rkchgo]

And a station owner who wants to make money doesn't take risks with completely unproven formats. Look, I have nothing against a dance format, but no one here has ever offered any reasonable evidence that that format can actually produce a profit on a full-signal stick. So it's the same old "I like the format, therefore it will make money" argument. Which we've been over before.

I feel sorry for the long-dead horse that keeps getting beaten.

If YOU (rkchgo) don't like the music, that's your business. You don't have to attack others that do and want to hear more of it on the airwaves. Don't give these BS excuses on why House Music shouldn't be played on the radio. This is CHICAGO, one of the world's best House cities and if you don't like it maybe you need to move!!!!

How wise.

I did move. To Phoenix, the OTHER market in which you keep whining about what you like, and disregarding what makes money.

It's a BUSINESS. It's supposed to make MONEY. After all your commenting, I don't recall a single time you've paid any attention whatsoever to that fact.

Tell me, if you know so much about it, why aren't you programming a major market station?

 

[Noiseboxxx]

hey hamp - rkchgo never said that house music shouldn't be played on the airwaves in chicago.

he said that you can't make money on it as a format on a full-signal city-grade stick in chicago. the billing is just not there for it. the corporate suits won't have it, they don't understand the music and all you will hear from most of the sales people would be "we can't sell it"; mainly because the sponsors buying the big $$$ advertising don't cater to that crowd. and IF i'm wrong *(that has happened before) - somebody PLEASE correct me. i'm always willing to learn the truth.

while B96 was successful with dance music in the past, it was not strictly a dance station, it was a HIT MUSIC station that included a ton of the BEST dance music available at the time, as well as a good selection of the local product. AT THAT TIME - IT WORKED.

now, it would not work with all the corporate/shareholder/bottom-line demands on profits for stations in virtually any market - except maybe SF with 92.7 as Energy. it's one station with one owner and they do what they can to bring in money to pay the bills (as best i can tell from my outside look in.) i don't know much about the phoenix station, but maybe they're making a buck or two as well. NEITHER of these stations are on big-signals with full market coverage though, and i know one of them has more overhead than the other.

and for the love of all things holy - please stop beating that dead horse - another dance music station in chicago is NOT going to happen any time soon if EVER again. i'm sure you have MORE IMPORTANT things to complain about. (global warming? king george the W?)

 

[Hamp]

And a station owner who wants to make money doesn't take risks with completely unproven formats. Look, I have nothing against a dance format, but no one here has ever offered any reasonable evidence that that format can actually produce a profit on a full-signal stick. So it's the same old "I like the format, therefore it will make money" argument. Which we've been over before.

I feel sorry for the long-dead horse that keeps getting beaten.

If YOU (rkchgo) don't like the music, that's your business. You don't have to attack others that do and want to hear more of it on the airwaves. Don't give these BS excuses on why House Music shouldn't be played on the radio. This is CHICAGO, one of the world's best House cities and if you don't like it maybe you need to move!!!!

How wise.

I did move. To Phoenix, the OTHER market in which you keep whining about what you like, and disregarding what makes money.

It's a BUSINESS. It's supposed to make MONEY. After all your commenting, I don't recall a single time you've paid any attention whatsoever to that fact.

Tell me, if you know so much about it, why aren't you programming a major market station?

Did you actually LIVE in Phoenix, because I did. Yes, I UNDERSTAND that radio is supposed to make money, BUT shouldn't the product be QUALITY before the money aspect is even considered? That is my whole point. I am not necessarily saying there should be a 24-hour dance/house format in every city, but what a contemporary station airs (i.e., Urban, Top 40, or Rhythmic) should reflect what is hot in that particular market. What works in Atlanta, probably will not work in Chicago. A station can still make money, it just has to be specialized for the MARKET!!! It is NOT the slippery slope you are proposing. There are certain House songs that CAN played on an Urban or Rhythmic formatted station in large markets like: Chicago, N.Y.C, San Fran, etc.
How this somewhat ties into LOVE FM's Saturday Night party is that the songs JM3 mixed were perfect for the Chicago market. It wasn't this canned variety that you hear on every other station in the country. If their format is supposed to be Classic Dance, Disco and Motown and it is catered to a CHICAGO audience, shouldn't JM3 have played some of the songs that were/are big in Chicago and not just "I Will Survive" and "Rock Steady"? I think that is the point a lot of individuals on this board are missing. NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hamp]

hey hamp - rkchgo never said that house music shouldn't be played on the airwaves in chicago.

he said that you can't make money on it as a format on a full-signal city-grade stick in chicago. the billing is just not there for it. the corporate suits won't have it, they don't understand the music and all you will hear from most of the sales people would be "we can't sell it"; mainly because the sponsors buying the big $$$ advertising don't cater to that crowd. and IF i'm wrong *(that has happened before) - somebody PLEASE correct me. i'm always willing to learn the truth.

while B96 was successful with dance music in the past, it was not strictly a dance station, it was a HIT MUSIC station that included a ton of the BEST dance music available at the time, as well as a good selection of the local product. AT THAT TIME - IT WORKED.

now, it would not work with all the corporate/shareholder/bottom-line demands on profits for stations in virtually any market - except maybe SF with 92.7 as Energy. it's one station with one owner and they do what they can to bring in money to pay the bills (as best i can tell from my outside look in.) i don't know much about the phoenix station, but maybe they're making a buck or two as well. NEITHER of these stations are on big-signals with full market coverage though, and i know one of them has more overhead than the other.

and for the love of all things holy - please stop beating that dead horse - another dance music station in chicago is NOT going to happen any time soon if EVER again. i'm sure you have MORE IMPORTANT things to complain about. (global warming? king george the W?)

Whatever!!! If you want to hear the same canned crap, be my guest. Also, what do the corporate suits know about what is going on in the streets musically anyway? They can't even promote decent artists in the Urban or top 40 genre, let alone the underground dance scene.

 

[Hamp]

If YOU (rkchgo) don't like the music, that's your business. You don't have to attack others that do and want to hear more of it on the airwaves. Don't give these BS excuses on why House Music shouldn't be played on the radio. This is CHICAGO, one of the world's best House cities and if you don't like it maybe you need to move!!!!

[EDIT]

Anyway, there is a reason why the same old songs get played over and over on the radio. It's because the stations that do...........people listen to! They get the biggest ratings! Classic rock stations haven't added new songs in decades yet they consistently do well across the country. Surprisingly people like to listen to music they know What a concept!

Opinions are like a**holes. Everyone's got one. You say house music can work...there is an audience. Who is the "They?" You and your friends? You and the 50 other people at the club last weekend?

I say it can't. Not enough money. Believe me when I say that broadcasters through and through are all about the money. IF there was ANY possibility dance/house music could work on a traditional over-the-air FM station it would be done.

Wait. It was done. Oh, right. B96 gave it up. Oh, and Energy's owner went under.

Radio is a BROADCAST medium seeking MASS MARKET appeal. This means that you try and please the most amount of people that you can with what you've got. You can either super-serve a very small group of people or broadly serve a mass audience. That's why mass-appeal formats like AC, Classic Rock, and Country are so prevailent in this country. They're familiar. They're low-risk.

If I remember right a good portion of Energy's clients were dance clubs and bars. Anyone who has ever done radio sales knows those two catagories are darn near the worst. They have little money to spend and half the time don't pay their bills anyway. That's if they even stay in business long enough to pay the bills...

Radio is a business...you go with low risk. Classic Rock is a low-risk. Dance is high-risk. Those who have done dance have failed. You're more likely to succeed with a bland AC or being the 5th urban station in town than to do something a niched as Dance. It's just plain business.

You think I'm wrong? Buy yourself a radio station and try it for yourself. When you're actually looking at the spreadsheets it's a whole different ballgame. Prove me wrong.

[EDIT-inflammatory]

Once again, I UNDERSTAND radio is supposed to serve the masses!!! But the masses in Chicago and New York may not want the same thing as the masses in Kansas City and Phoenix. Fine, maybe a 24-hour dance/house station wouldn't work, BUT specialty shows work and certain dance/house songs in larger markets CAN be played on Urban or Rhythmic stations, that is all I am saying. Corporate just needs to learn how to PROMOTE better in certain markets and not this "one size fits all" crap. A perfect example would be when Clear Channel bought V-103. The station's motto used to be "hits and dusties". Now it is Today's R&B and Old School. The term "Dusties" is a term unique to the Chicago market and it should have been kept as part of the moniker. You don't homogenize it to sound like every other market that has an Urban AC station. Chicago is unique, just like New York, just like Philly. From the music to the drops, it should fitted to the market.

 

[rkchgo]

How wise.

I did move. To Phoenix, the OTHER market in which you keep whining about what you like, and disregarding what makes money.

It's a BUSINESS. It's supposed to make MONEY. After all your commenting, I don't recall a single time you've paid any attention whatsoever to that fact.

Tell me, if you know so much about it, why aren't you programming a major market station?

Did you actually LIVE in Phoenix, because I did. Yes, I UNDERSTAND that radio is supposed to make money, BUT shouldn't the product be QUALITY before the money aspect is even considered? That is my whole point. I am not necessarily saying there should be a 24-hour dance/house format in every city, but what a contemporary station airs (i.e., Urban, Top 40, or Rhythmic) should reflect what is hot in that particular market. What works in Atlanta, probably will not work in Chicago. A station can still make money, it just has to be specialized for the MARKET!!! It is NOT the slippery slope you are proposing. There are certain House songs that CAN played on an Urban or Rhythmic formatted station in large markets like: Chicago, N.Y.C, San Fran, etc.
How this somewhat ties into LOVE FM's Saturday Night party is that the songs JM3 mixed were perfect for the Chicago market. It wasn't this canned variety that you hear on every other station in the country. If their format is supposed to be Classic Dance, Disco and Motown and it is catered to a CHICAGO audience, shouldn't JM3 have played some of the songs that were/are big in Chicago and not just "I Will Survive" and "Rock Steady"? I think that is the point a lot of individuals on this board are missing. NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1. Yes, I live in Phoenix. Own a house there. Full time residence. Please read my post if you're going to respond to it.

2. Again. For the umpteenth boring ole time: If you know so much, why aren't you programming a major market big stick?

I don't think anything else needs to be said.

 

[rkchgo]

Whatever!!! If you want to hear the same canned crap, be my guest. Also, what do the corporate suits know about what is going on in the streets musically anyway? They can't even promote decent artists in the Urban or top 40 genre, let alone the underground dance scene.

Now THERE is a meaningful response.

The corporate suits DON'T CARE WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE STREETS. They care about WHAT THEIR SALES PEOPLE CAN SELL. It doesn't matter what the "streets" think; if they can't sell the format, they won't put it on a decent signal.

The same canned crap is what MAKES MONEY FOR THE RADIO STATION. If Gregorian chants sold advertising time, THAT'S what they'd program.

Either buy a station and program it, or get a job programming a station. Until you do, for pete's sake, JUST GET AN IPOD.

 

[Jimme]

Not being from Chicago, can someone tell me which station you are discussing, and what time the dance music airs. I would like to listen to it. Thank you. ???

 

[Hamp]

Whatever!!! If you want to hear the same canned crap, be my guest. Also, what do the corporate suits know about what is going on in the streets musically anyway? They can't even promote decent artists in the Urban or top 40 genre, let alone the underground dance scene.

Now THERE is a meaningful response.

The corporate suits DON'T CARE WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE STREETS. They care about WHAT THEIR SALES PEOPLE CAN SELL. It doesn't matter what the "streets" think; if they can't sell the format, they won't put it on a decent signal.

The same canned crap is what MAKES MONEY FOR THE RADIO STATION. If Gregorian chants sold advertising time, THAT'S what they'd program.

Either buy a station and program it, or get a job programming a station. Until you do, for pete's sake, JUST GET AN IPOD.

This is the last time I am going to respond to this. If radio is supposed to serve "the people", then they (corporate bosses) should care what is going on in the streets. If they don't, then what "people" are they serving? NOT the listeners!!! I mean, come on, it isn't rocket science. Oh, and for arguments sake, I DO own an IPOD. But, the airwaves are supposed to belong to the public, not to a few corporate suits that just want to see the profits roll in and not put in any work to earn them.

 

[Noiseboxxx]

the corporate suits are the ones paying the FCC for their stations licenses. they're also paying for the lobbyists, consultants, engineers...etc. whatever it takes to keep the FCC happy with any new rule that they come up with, or any fine levied or whatever.

$$$ talks to the FCC any more. about 15 years or so ago, it stopped being about "serving the public" with the airwaves. it's about the profit.

hamp - we've tried talking about this 'til we're blue in the face ourselves. believe us - we're not against you. we've faced the reality of the situation - mainly so we can keep our jobs and feed the kids. i, for one, prefer never to be homeless again because i lost my job trying to do radio *the right way*.

example: i was trying to see my vision through while running a radio station, programming a format that the market really liked - but apparently not *exactly* what the owners wanted. they didn't "get" it. this station played a good variety of music, had actual personalities - good ones too! - live during all the airshifts except overnights, had decent ratings - but the sales department "couldn't sell it". guess who got shown the door? and guess what station changed to a "safer" format that the sales department could sell? i tried it again within the past year or so - guess what - same thing happend again. now, i'll just do exactly what i'm told to do. gas is too expensive to not be working.

 

[Noiseboxxx]

Not being from Chicago, can someone tell me which station you are discussing, and what time the dance music airs. I would like to listen to it. Thank you. ???

LOVE FM - WILV 100.3

http://www.wilv.com

 

[djzack67]

I think it sounds great so far. Keep up the good work.

 

[rkchgo]

This is the last time I am going to respond to this.

Oh thank HEAVENS.

 

[Hamp]

the corporate suits are the ones paying the FCC for their stations licenses. they're also paying for the lobbyists, consultants, engineers...etc. whatever it takes to keep the FCC happy with any new rule that they come up with, or any fine levied or whatever.

$$$ talks to the FCC any more. about 15 years or so ago, it stopped being about "serving the public" with the airwaves. it's about the profit.

hamp - we've tried talking about this 'til we're blue in the face ourselves. believe us - we're not against you. we've faced the reality of the situation - mainly so we can keep our jobs and feed the kids. i, for one, prefer never to be homeless again because i lost my job trying to do radio *the right way*.

example: i was trying to see my vision through while running a radio station, programming a format that the market really liked - but apparently not *exactly* what the owners wanted. they didn't "get" it. this station played a good variety of music, had actual personalities - good ones too! - live during all the airshifts except overnights, had decent ratings - but the sales department "couldn't sell it". guess who got shown the door? and guess what station changed to a "safer" format that the sales department could sell? i tried it again within the past year or so - guess what - same thing happend again. now, i'll just do exactly what i'm told to do. gas is too expensive to not be working.

Then why be in the business in the first place? Please don't give me the sob story about being homeless and not being able to feed the kids. You don't necessarily have to be in radio in order to do that. That's why I am not in the business. If I couldn't do what I wanted (which is serve the public interest) then I don't want to do it at all, period. There are other LEGAL ways to make a living without having to be miserable and still be able to pay the rent.

 

[Hamp]

This is the last time I am going to respond to this.

Oh thank HEAVENS.

Did anyone ask you?

 

[rkchgo]

This is the last time I am going to respond to this.

Oh thank HEAVENS.

Did anyone ask you?

Yup.

 

[rkchgo]

the corporate suits are the ones paying the FCC for their stations licenses. they're also paying for the lobbyists, consultants, engineers...etc. whatever it takes to keep the FCC happy with any new rule that they come up with, or any fine levied or whatever.

$$$ talks to the FCC any more. about 15 years or so ago, it stopped being about "serving the public" with the airwaves. it's about the profit.

hamp - we've tried talking about this 'til we're blue in the face ourselves. believe us - we're not against you. we've faced the reality of the situation - mainly so we can keep our jobs and feed the kids. i, for one, prefer never to be homeless again because i lost my job trying to do radio *the right way*.

example: i was trying to see my vision through while running a radio station, programming a format that the market really liked - but apparently not *exactly* what the owners wanted. they didn't "get" it. this station played a good variety of music, had actual personalities - good ones too! - live during all the airshifts except overnights, had decent ratings - but the sales department "couldn't sell it". guess who got shown the door? and guess what station changed to a "safer" format that the sales department could sell? i tried it again within the past year or so - guess what - same thing happend again. now, i'll just do exactly what i'm told to do. gas is too expensive to not be working.

Then why be in the business in the first place? Please don't give me the sob story about being homeless and not being able to feed the kids. You don't necessarily have to be in radio in order to do that. That's why I am not in the business. If I couldn't do what I wanted (which is serve the public interest) then I don't want to do it at all, period. There are other LEGAL ways to make a living without having to be miserable and still be able to pay the rent.

1. It is better to do something you love, with restrictions, than something you don't love.

2. You're not in the business because you want to serve YOUR interest, not the public's.

And before you ask....yup, someone asked me.

 

[Noiseboxxx]

Then why be in the business in the first place? Please don't give me the sob story about being homeless and not being able to feed the kids. You don't necessarily have to be in radio in order to do that. That's why I am not in the business. If I couldn't do what I wanted (which is serve the public interest) then I don't want to do it at all, period. There are other LEGAL ways to make a living without having to be miserable and still be able to pay the rent.

wow. okay.

i'm done.

continue without me.

1. It is better to do something you love, with restrictions, than something you don't love.

2. You're not in the business because you want to serve YOUR interest, not the public's.

And before you ask....yup, someone asked me.

thanks.