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Low Power AM & the FCC

People most certainly do listen to AM radio. In some markets arbitron shows around 20% of the listening audience is tuning into local AM station programming. If the programming is good then people still tune into AM broadcasts.
 
William C. Walker said:
People most certainly do listen to AM radio. In some markets arbitron shows around 20% of the listening audience is tuning into local AM station programming. If the programming is good then people still tune into AM broadcasts.

Ditto. You can't blame an entire radio band if all that's being offered is rendundant crap.

I always viewed AM today as a place to be experimental, like FM was in the '60s. And some people are more than willing to take the initiative if the so-called "radio industry" doesn't. There's a myriad of niche formats (bluegrass, reggae, easy listening, nostalgia and other genres/subgenres) that have pockets of fans in the most unlikeliest of places that could use a radio home.

gunterm said:
What a stupid idea! No one listens to AM.

Shhhhhhh don't tell Rush and the other majorly successful talk show hosts!
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I have a feeling in about a decade, FM news/talk may take hold and Rush and other's affiliates may be mostly FM. There's talk already of expanding the North American FM band down to include the Japanese FM band of 76 MHz on up (in spite of the fact they have all these HD channels that are going to waste.) There's simply is no more room on FM for more stations in many areas of North America and many AM stations that seriously want to go FM stateside. But that probably won't see much action until after August 2011 when Canadian TV stations are required to go all digital.

AM should be opened up as a low power local radio service band....
 
I always viewed AM today as a place to be experimental, like FM was in the '60s. And some people are more than willing to take the initiative if the so-called "radio industry" doesn't. There's a myriad of niche formats (bluegrass, reggae, easy listening, nostalgia and other genres/subgenres) that have pockets of fans in the most unlikeliest of places that could use a radio home.

Amen and Amen !!!! AM radio will only die when someone lets it die. It's true Nostalgia would do great and does in some markets right there on the good ole AM band. I would love to have a easy listening, or Nostalgia station in the Atlanta Radio Market. In fact there is a great station for just such a format 1010 AM. For now its religious stuff, which dont get me wrong theres a place and a niche for that as well, but this station is 50,000 watts daytime power and a killer signal that covers ATL and other states during the day. What a place for one of those formats that are mentioned above.
 
Ok here's what I guess could be my rough draft of an idea for restructuring AM (and/or FM)... (I haven't figured out everything yet, and don't know if I will - very likely someone else has better ideas)

Expand FM band down to 76 MHz
Take all smaller commercial AM stations that have limited coverage, and move them to this new FM expansion.
Note: if the station already has better groundwave (or skywave) range (even if it's the fringe signal using a tuned box loop antenna with a Superradio, or is buried (but audible) under 3 or 4 co-channel nighttime stations) than the max they could have on FM (this time measured to where the stereo would start cutting out on an average car radio), then it stays on AM.
Change the part 15 AM rules to be similar to the current rules for 160-190kHz, with a couple changes:
power is specified as either input to the antenna, or effective radiated power, whichever is greater (but not to exceed a 12dB difference, or whatever would double the coverage radius)
only antenna length is specified. transmission line can be as long as you like as long as it's shielded. ground lead can be as long as necessary. A grounded metal structure that the antenna is mounted on wouldn't count toward the limit. also for a center-fed radiator, the bottom half of the radiator won't count toward the ground lead limit, but it will count toward the antenna limit, unless you're feeding two separate antennas mounted one on top of the other with one transmitter per antenna
add LPAM service, with power of 10 to 100 watts and antenna height of 1/10th to 1/8th wavelength.
reserve the midrange frequencies (say, around 800 to 1500 kHz) for LPAM. (Part 15 can be used anywhere).
high frequencies (1500 to 1700 or so), due to good skywave, should be regional/clear channels.
low frequencies (below 800 khz for example) would be the wide-coverage clears. (LPAMs and part 15s can operate here, too, but must maintain minimum separation standards from larger stations.) Previously established clear stations can remain on their original frequency.

Ok like I said that's only a rough basic idea of a way to do it.... I'm sure you guys have other ideas...
But... to make AM a Low Power only band... I don't think is the answer. In a nutshell, move all the regional stations to FM in cases where they have better coverage, but keep the clears on AM (either on their original frequencies, or for any new ones, limited to the low end (best groundwave) or high end (best skywave) of the band. Licensed LPAM would be similar (with a few differences implied/noted above) to current TIS regulations, and unlicensed (part 15) would be similar to current 160-190kHz regulations.
 
tfcwings,

The new Radio World came out today, and some of your ideas aren't too far off. If you can get
hold of one, the story is on page 1 of the Sept 10 issue.

A group of prominent broadcast consulting engineers and a broadcast lawyer arepromposing
moving AMs, FMs and non-comms to the EXB band, repurposing exiisting TV Channel 5 and 6 frequencies
for radio use.

There's no mention of LPAM or Part 15, though.
 
All I can say is, if kids will listen to Radio Disney on AM (AM no less!) then there is hope for the AM band and radio in general.

I'm a total believer that niche formats along with a local presence and a well engineered signal can save AM.

C5
 
William C. Walker said:
People most certainly do listen to AM radio. In some markets arbitron shows around 20% of the listening audience is tuning into local AM station programming. If the programming is good then people still tune into AM broadcasts.

But when you get under age 45, there is very little listening. And there are plenty of makets... like Houston... where AM listening is below 12% on 12% and below 5% on 18-34.

As time passes, the average age of AM listners increases... nationally about one year of age in increase for every 18 months.

With most of AM listening over 55, there is little ad revenue to support AM due to demographics.
 
David. Ultimately it comes down to the kind of programming offered on the AM station. A friend of mine ran a commercial Part 15 AM station for a few years prior to starting an LPFM and he had several Interns/Volunteers at his Part 15 AM station that were aged 18 to their early 20's. They not only worked at the station but listened as well as did their friends.
 
DavidEduardo said:
William C. Walker said:
People most certainly do listen to AM radio. In some markets arbitron shows around 20% of the listening audience is tuning into local AM station programming. If the programming is good then people still tune into AM broadcasts.

But when you get under age 45, there is very little listening. And there are plenty of makets... like Houston... where AM listening is below 12% on 12% and below 5% on 18-34.

As time passes, the average age of AM listners increases... nationally about one year of age in increase for every 18 months.

With most of AM listening over 55, there is little ad revenue to support AM due to demographics.

I’d be pretty happy if I had 12% of the Houston market. (I know that’s not what you said, but the point is that the amount of rated AM listeners is not inconsequential)

Otherwise, you are correct about traditional ad revenue, but who says that all AM stations should be run in a "traditional" manner? If you do, you are probably doomed to failure. There is no point in an AM trying to out-program someone with an identical format on a nearby 100 KW FM. You are simply wasting your time if you try

On the other hand, it is quite possible to develop a loyal following by offering programming and information that is simply not available on the bigger stations. Do a creditable job and listeners will follow. With the right sales approach, it can be financially viable while it serves its listening community. I can think of several examples of this, none of which show up on Arbitron Top Line reports. Ratings aren't everything. How you sell it to sponsors is. At these stations, their staff gets a pay check, the owner makes some money and the community gets served. It can be done. It isn't necessary to gross $100 million to accomplish those goals. AM stations that are doing well have probably figured that out a long time ago.

For those who want to get rich quick, I suggest that they look somewhere else other than broadcasting. The good news is, not everyone wants to get rich quick.
 
William C. Walker said:
David. Ultimately it comes down to the kind of programming offered on the AM station. A friend of mine ran a commercial Part 15 AM station for a few years prior to starting an LPFM and he had several Interns/Volunteers at his Part 15 AM station that were aged 18 to their early 20's. They not only worked at the station but listened as well as did their friends.

I do not buy that. There are over 4,000 AMs in the US, and were there to be programming that would bring those under 45 to 50 to AM, someone would have created it.

AM is the equivalent of black & white TV. If you have FM available you will not listen to AM unless you are of the generations that grew up on AM... all of whom are about 50 or more. This is why, nationwide AM news talk stations and even sports stations are moving to FM at an increasing rate.
 
Chuck said:
I’d be pretty happy if I had 12% of the Houston market. (I know that’s not what you said, but the point is that the amount of rated AM listeners is not inconsequential)

Two things. First, the Houston metro has 26 AMs dividing those shares. The two or three leading stations take more than half those shares, leaving the remaining stations with very very few listeners to divide up. I highlight listeners because there is really no point in broadcasting if nobody hears you. For the most part, AM has no interest and thus little listening. Then, most of the listening is by folks over 50 or so, an ad target of interest to essentially very few advertisers.

Otherwise, you are correct about traditional ad revenue, but who says that all AM stations should be run in a "traditional" manner? If you do, you are probably doomed to failure. There is no point in an AM trying to out-program someone with an identical format on a nearby 100 KW FM. You are simply wasting your time if you try

This is why news talk and sports stations are moving to FM across the US. They know that by being on FM they will survive, while on AM they are losing share and revenue. There is only so much niche ethnic (Black and Hispoanic audiences use AM less than the general population) like Vietnamese or Russian language, religious and similar broadcasting each market will hold.

And mass market formats that were at home on AM in the past, like standards, have aged so much over the last decade or so that they can't find advertisers even in Tampa and Phoenix and Palm Springs.

There are probably 4000 too many AMs in the US now, and even one will be too many in another decade.
 
And then LPAM can begin to serve people like myself who aren't worth serving now?

Somewhere I've seen some quote about how your true character is shown by how you treat those who can do nothing for you.
At 47, it's been 30 years now since commercial radio had its sights set on me, demographically.
I became just as underserved ( or unserved) by age 20 as I am now, due to my preferred music tastes.

I'd be listening to AM more than ever after commercial radio abandons it, and I'm ready to put more power and antenna into my part 15...
 
If David is right, then why is the NAB putting up fight with LPAM? They have already have sent out their spin machine; spitting out the standard fear tactics to scare the public.

If you program what young people can't get anywhere else, and it's on AM they will listen. I myself, was surprised to find out how many high school and college students are listening to an AM station that is playing the music they wanted to hear with DJ's they know taking their request.

I think one thing that keeps younger folks from listening to AM has more to do with their surroundings; AM does not fare well around dimmer switches, computers, televisions and video games. Most younger folks are surrounded by RF noisemakers day and night; Just try listening to your favorite AM station on the radio next to your computer. Even I use an AM to FM translator here on the AZ ranch, to listen to some of my favorite regional AM stations while I'm on the computer in the office.

We are fortunate that the higher AM band tends to be less bothered by the noisemakers, than the lower band.
I can listen to our own part 15 AM stations in my office, despite the fact they are a 1/4 mile down the road, anything below 1500 is trashed with noise.

Our Arizona radio campus is full of young people (95) in their 20's, who listen to AM regularly. The talk shows they want to listen to are mostly on AM, the stations they set up are mostly AM. We ar giving another generation a reason to listen to AM.

This summer we showed a bunch of young folks on our tour, just how easy it is to set up their own legal radio stations that won't get them busted by the FCC, or get them sued by the RIAA for running a hobby internet radio station. If it was not for the major downturn in the economy, I think a couple hundred more radio stations would have gone on the air this year. Their were allot of folks seriously interested in what we had to show them, from community organizers to hobbyist, and all ages; the fact it was AM, didn't bother them one bit.

Tom & William are right! Give them a reason to listen, and they will. If the AM station has live local DJ's from the local high school, you can bet the parents are going to listen to their little Johnny or Jill on the AM radio station that has them on the air, and so will their neighbors and uncles etc. If the Uncle just happens to own the local car dealership, here comes the revenue that would never end up at one of David's type of radio station; AM or FM! I don't think broadcasters of David's mindset could ever understand community radio, and how to sell it. Community radio, requires the station management develop relationships with the business and community it serves, which can takes months if not years to develop. It is most noteworthy that smaller market stations saw their revenues grow 10 - 20% this year, while big corporate radio saw their revenues and stocks take a plunge.

William, Keith and I have all learned; you better know the community you plan on setting up shop in! Failure to do so can be a real nightmare, or cost you your freedom. Our nut case is still making calls and causing us trouble, and has now set his sights now on a poor rancher.


Steve
www.radiobrandy.com
 
DavidEduardo said:
William C. Walker said:
David. Ultimately it comes down to the kind of programming offered on the AM station. A friend of mine ran a commercial Part 15 AM station for a few years prior to starting an LPFM and he had several Interns/Volunteers at his Part 15 AM station that were aged 18 to their early 20's. They not only worked at the station but listened as well as did their friends.

I do not buy that. There are over 4,000 AMs in the US, and were there to be programming that would bring those under 45 to 50 to AM, someone would have created it.

AM is the equivalent of black & white TV. If you have FM available you will not listen to AM unless you are of the generations that grew up on AM... all of whom are about 50 or more. This is why, nationwide AM news talk stations and even sports stations are moving to FM at an increasing rate.

It sounds like you are calling me a liar. You need to get out and travel more and listen to the AM dial. Your generalizations about the AM dial are inaccurate.

Granted most of the programming now on AM is directed at people over the age of 40 but there are stations like my friend's station that did have a following by younger people as well as older. One that comes immediately to mind is AM 770 KUOM in Minneapolis. The station is owned and operated by the Univ. of Minnesota. And as someone previously noted and you chose to ignore his point, Radio Disney has a lot of young people that tune into their stations, most of which are found on AM.
 
There is no point in an AM trying to out-program someone with an identical format on a nearby 100 KW FM. You are simply wasting your time if you try

I don't think the folks at WDIA in Memphis got that message.
 
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