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LPFM WINDOW !!!!!!!!!!

Yes I do; I stand corrected. I typed in Rockport MA to radio-locator.com search and got those calls/freq and when I hit the info page it said "W268-FX" at the top...but you're right

>>Those are translators, LPFM's need spacing.

Ah, never knew that--I thought of them as "LPFMs that were translators" but you mean
stations that aren't translators but low powered...those stations // WERS and WSMA of course.
 
raccoonradio said:
>>Those are translators, LPFM's need spacing.

Ah, never knew that--I thought of them as "LPFMs that were translators" but you mean
stations that aren't translators but low powered...those stations // WERS and WSMA of course.

LPFM's are allowed maximum 100 watts. Besides being an entirely different class, some translators are well over the LPFM maximum of 100 watts, such as 94.9 W235AV Tatnuck (Worcester), MA //WTAG with 230 watts ERP.
 
This thread got off to a rocky start because some of the participants were not aware of the specific meaning of two terms: "Application Window" and "LPFM".

There was a time when the FCC accepted applications for new stations and for major facility changes just about any time. Much like going to city government to get a building permit. As the number of stations grew, and the number of media grew the FCC went to a system where an application to gain permission to build a new station can only be done "when the window is officially open". There is an opportunity apply for an A.M. station only once every five years or so.

LPFM (Low Power FM) is not just street talk for any FM station with a lightweight transmitter. The LPFM concept was put in place after much lobbying by some groups with what would have to be called a "Progessive" point of view. They wanted stations that would be non-commercial, and less costly to build and operate than the long tradition of "Educational Stations"... some of which morphed into a unique group tied to NPR. The traditional commercial broadcasters were not excited about getting the spectrum clogged up with more signals that might cause interference and might steal part of their existing audience. (It can be argued that everyone listening to LPFM has been stolen away from a commercial station, and it can be argued that most LPFM listeners would not be listening to ANY radio station if their special little "tea-pot" had not been allowed.)

The anti-LPFM lobby-group pushed until the the power level was capped way down at 100 watts with an antenna no more that 100 feet above average terrain. Very strong restrictions were put in place that disallow anything that smells like a tradition radio commercial annoucement.

LPFM is new enough that there is no track record yet on how often an "Application Window" will occur because there have only been two or three and the intervals were what... two years the first time and then maybe four years? And now the post that kicked this discussion off talks about maybe having ONE MORE CYCLE of applications and then slamming the window shut for the rest of eternity. Hmmmmm.

When you read the FCC Regs and the promotional material from industry enthusiasts you mind picks up on the positive and then maybe enhances reality a bit. You get the idea that the station will have gang-busters coverage for at least 3-1/2 miles and pretty decent coverage out to may 10 miles. I would propose to you that if you listen closely you will realize that is Pollyanna luring you in. I would be interested in hearing from those of you involved in such a station but the few stations where I have tuned in while driving through the area, and the engineering types I have talked to lead me to believe you should plan your new LPFM assuming it will reach out TWO MILES. Consider any coverage you get beyond that a "gift from the gods of electron excitement".

One of the ironies of this whole process is that the church folks picked up on this new class of LICENSED RADIO STATION and submitted the majority of the successful applications. What started out as the project and darling of the "Progressive" community (that translates Liberal) had ended up primarily in the hands of religious broadcast licensees who are anything but progressive and liberal.

So. Boston. If we could wave the magic wand and actually make some frequencies available for LPFM in Boston, and your station could reach out two to three miles.... what neighborhood, what community would you choose for your location. What would you broadcast that isn't already covered by 3 to 5 existing commercial stations. (Keep in mind you must form or have an existing not-for-profit corporation to own and operate this station.) You could expect at least three other applications wanting the same location and frequency you are wanting.... and two of them would likely be evangelical church groups. What would you promise the FCC in your application that would cause them to pick YOUR application rather than one of the other three?

And keep in mind you are going to need to go into the little neighborhood you want to serve and get contributions and NPR style endorsement announcements to make this ventujre work financially.
 
LPFM has few real financial winners. Of the nearly 1,200 that hit the airwaves, I understand about 900 remain. Many have simply shut down. I will try to loosely define the four classes of LPFM stations I know of:

1) Individuals, Christian Schools and Churches that primarily run satellite fed programming. There are three major players: Calvary Chapel, Seventh Day Adventist and Catholics.

2) Hobby Broadcasters. Most are radio people or folks who wanted to be in radio or people without radio experience with a well defined dream of a radio station. Mostly they lack any sales effort and frequently are funded from the collective pockets of their board members. Some operate from bedrooms are some are simply jukeboxes.

3) 'Progressive' Radio. Usually a more of an all volunteer station with all types of music (depending who is on the air) and a very liberal use of talk programming, generally centering around Democracy Now and Pacifica produced programs.

4) Small market community-oriented stations opting to be the local radio station for a small town. A few of these have enough revenue coming in to rival a full power small market station while others have virtually no emphasis on generating revenue.

Revenue seems to range from the money in the wallet that can be used (some operate on $1,000 a year) to stations doing $10,000 to $16,000 a month in revenue, mostly from Underwriting and contributions from other non-profits in the community. I would doubt more than 50 stations are hitting the $10,000 mark and I am being liberal in my thinking here.

LPFM, depending on how crowded the radio dial is, will get anywhere from 2 miles to 30 miles. The 30 miles I experienced from KPAI in Paisley, Oregon where KPAI is the only signal received on the FM dial. The two mile factor seems to be pretty accurate for the Brookshire, Texas FM that struggles to override the 100,000 watt FM that is somewhere between Beaument and Houston.

Small towns, in my opinion, are the best places for Low Power FM with an option to think like a small town newspaper by picking a music format that targets the biggest number of people in the community and wrapping the music with as much information about life in the local area as you can.

The mostly eclectic sounding 'Progressive' stations are beyond my thinking of a logical format. With no offense to political views, musically the stations tend to hit a tiny percentage of people. Such a format is best served by reaching huge numbers of people because it takes huge numbers to garner enough listeners to make it work. When your format targets, at most, 1% of the audience and you reach 60,000 people, you can do trhe math. The same goes for the religious stations. Even Contemporary Christian music only hits about 3.5%. You still need an audience 10-20 times bigger to keep the station from becoming a financial burden. When your station hits 10,000 people and you choose a denominational format, you end up with a tiny percentage of the people that fill the pews at the local church as listeners and only a small percentage of them becoming contributors. Mass appeal makes more sense because your potential audience is smaller.

Many LPFMs simply blew up. Board members split into two factions fighting for the license. Many more were set up by an individual who talked an unrelated entity to become the umbrella group for the station. Once on the air, these groups realized they would be liable for the actions of the station and decided to challenge control of the station or someone on the board got radio fever. In short, lots of issues arose.

Some who wanted a LPFM because they love radio came to realize a laptop in the bedroom attached to a transmitter costs money. After a long day of work, tending their baby in the evening and weekends became like a thorn in their side. Maybe the wife complained too much or the transmitter burned up or lightning struck or the economy went south and you didn't have the spare cash, but a number of these such stations said enough is enough.

As pastors moved on and superintendents changed, the LPFM was evaluated and shut down. The value of the license was not understood.

Lots of others came to realize that while you're totally computer driven or satellite fed, a LPFM is a 24/7, 365 day a year job (366 days every 4th year). The LPFM became a burden that eliminated one's freedom.

With all this negative said, I fully know what I'm getting in to when the next window is announced. I'm working on the non-profit now and all I need to get is the EAS, tower and transmitter. I'm socking away cash in hopes of a year's income and a debt-free station day one. I have a plan, not etched in stone, but concrete enough to know where each point leads and several options depending on reality. And I won't be surprised if the station is not my choice as favorite station personally because after all, a radio station serves the community, not your personal tastes. And I do not intend to work a fulltime job to play. I want my LPFM to cover my living expenses.

I don't understand the group that expects people to work for the love of working, instead of getting paid to do what you love to do. I get lots of negative because I want the LPFM to deliver the paycheck versus working all day at a job I'd hate in order to play radio a few hours a week. I think those folks do not grasp the concept of radio and have not experienced the business from the position of licensee.
 
bturner said:
...I want my LPFM to cover my living expenses... I don't understand the group that expects people to work for the love of working, instead of getting paid to do what you love to do. I get lots of negative because I want the LPFM to deliver the paycheck versus working all day at a job I'd hate in order to play radio a few hours a week. I think those folks do not grasp the concept of radio and have not experienced the business from the position of licensee.

Aren't LPFM's legally supposed to be literally and COMPLETELY non-profit? With any and all revenue going ONLY back into station expenses, not into covering ANY operators living expenses, or "delivering a paycheck"? I had thought they were supposed to be operated on a completely volunteer basis, with no person, including the owner or proprietor as an individual, making money off of it.

Of course, most of the religious groups that operate LPFM's are doing so with the intention of making money, but they can claim that it's all going back into the non-profit "church" or other religious organization that owns the station, and most of them are simply unmanned relays for satellite fed programming anyway.
 
Eli Polonsky said:
Aren't LPFM's legally supposed to be literally and COMPLETELY non-profit? With any and all revenue going ONLY back into station expenses, not into covering ANY operators living expenses, or "delivering a paycheck"? I had thought they were supposed to be operated on a completely volunteer basis, with no person, including the owner or proprietor as an individual, making money off of it.

I don't think you will find the FCC rules being that limiting of how an NCE or LPFM operates.

Does the Red Cross have any paid employees? Does United Way have any paid employees? Does the First Baptist Church have any paid employees? Can a Volunteer Fire Department have at least one or two paid people to look after the fire trucks that the Volunteers use to fight fires?

I suspect the FCC would not be happy to learn that someone who is an absentee controller of an LPFM is drawing income. I think they are fully aware that NPRs, NCEs and LPFMs do pay some income to some of their people.

You may have more to worry about from the IRS than the FCC. The FCC passes the buck by saying the LPFM must be operated by a not-for-profit group that has been granted a 501(c)3 exemption from the income tax burden. The IRS certainly allows 501(c)3 organizations have paid employees. In case of hosptial chief executives, for exaple, the pay can be very, very rewarding based on the standards of the average citizen. Those people have to have some unique skills. Don't expect the IRS to accept the idea that a 100 watt radio station needs an excutive making $225,000 per years..... unless you are managing 1,600 employees at your LPFM. ;D

And if you are going door to door in your small community begging merchants to buy 'endorsements' on your LPFM and they find out you are taking home big bucks, they may be harder to live with than the IRS. ;D ;D ;D
 
This is the sort of thinking that is not logical. Why is it that a non-profit is not a job? Is the work done not worthy of pay? Would any company run with just volunteers? Should someone who is a news director be required to work without financial compensation? Would a person that is a grant writer or underwriting rep be required to take no commission? To me, this has no logic.

Running a radio station this may would be like trying to convince your friends to give up their time to help you move every day.

Why would the FCC not have a problem with an NPR Non-Comm producing revenue to $8,000,000 a year? There are LPFMs doing $200,000 a year without issues.

What gets me is some feel it's perfectly fine for that air conditioning and heating company owner to make $150,000 a year but one should be in prison if they work for a non-profit FM and earn $100,000 in commission and salary by working long and hard. I have read nowhere in FCC rules or government laws that you must be poor to work in radio and really poor if it is a non-profit owned.

Realistically, I'm thinking $30,000-$40,000 a year in revenue from the town I have in mind.

Last, if you do a great job serving your community and can get a slightly above average paycheck, is that wrong? Why would it be?
 
You can make a living owning an LPFM but it is going to take a lot of work.

If your LPFM is near a major city, you are going to have to sound as good as the best. This means if you expected to be a personality hit in your area and don't have the voice, you won't garner many listeners.

I've listened to LPFMs that no one would listen to and then I have heard a few that seem inviting.

Bottom line is - it's kind to sound good whatever the format. People have millions of listening choices.

Offer local, high quality personalities with the right mix of music that everyone wants to hear not just what you like . Do lots of local stuff but always sound professional.

a good example of a successful LPFM is LIFT FM.
 
One LPFM that is making some noise is WHUM in Columbus, Indiana. They recently won Best FM
Station in the State of Indiana. And, the people behind this small station were involved in the FCC LPFM
Rulemaking process from the beginning.
http://wrtv.cityvoter.com/winners/best-of-theindychannel-com-a-list/4774/arts-and-entertainment/fm-radio-station?place=223076
Proof that you can do something unique and become popular even today.
 
LPFM's, like any non-commercial license, can only be held by not-for-profit (aka "non-profit"), educational institutions. Any NFP can pay its employees any salary it chooses to, assuming it can afford to do so. It's not unheard-of for NFP's to pay their employees very poorly, and it's also not unheard-of for NFP's to abuse the concept and pay their employees outlandishly huge salaries when the overall business is starving for funds. It's all different kinds.


Back before the original LPFM window in 1999, a firm I used to work for did an analysis of the possibility for LPFM licenses in the Greater Boston area. IIRC, there was only one in the "metro" area (loosely defined as "within the I-495 beltway") and that was for an LP10-Class (not the LP100) that would have to be placed within a narrow sliver of Dedham. Remember, the 10-watt LP10-Class was never authorized; only the 100-watt LP100.

Granted, if the third-adjacent protections are limited, it might...emphasis on MIGHT...be a different story. Even so, my hunch is that there will be very few real LP100 possibilities inside I-495, and only then out in the suburbs. Certainly there will not be anything in the city, and probably nothing inside Rt.128***.

And the crowded radio dial means that any LPFM will only have its service contour to rely on; the fringe reception will likely be very poor. So financially it'll be reeeeeally dicey.

Personally, I would not get really excited about any LPFM window if I were in a Top 20 market. The opportunities are just going to be very sparse and limited.


*** There is one exception: WBRS could technically convert their existing Class D license to an LPFM. However, there is little incentive for them to do so. Their current status as a superpowered Class D means they'd actually be required to reduce their ERP slightly if they converted. And there's no interference protection benefits. The main benefit might be in reduced EAS and Public File obligations but that's about it. Actually if WBRS wanted to be serious about it, they would be best served by securing a long-term HD2 lease from another station, and converting their Class D grandfathered NCE license into a Class D FM Translator to relay the HD2....the rules for translators should allow for a substantial increase in ERP and/or HAAT. And they could conceivably convert to a commercial operation. That has certain detriments, not the least of which is streaming fees and recordkeeping requirements. But with the inherent increase in value of the airtime, I'll bet they could afford to hire someone to sell advertising and manage it on the air. Someone who could be trusted to make it work within the existing programming mindset and philosophy.
 
Great comments.

I agree. The sound has to be professional and local. One station I really like is www.wioe.com. While computer driven, the use of high school students and people in the community make the station almost sound live.

My choice of communities is one where 1 distant AM can be received during the day (Sportstalk) and 2 FM translators (both Christian formatted). There is no weekly newspaper. There is no cable TV (gotta have Dish). With about 70 businesses and around 16 million in retail sales, I think I could put a roof over my head and buy lots of mac and cheese!

I have 32+ years in the biz...currently a GM in a top 10 (not a bigtime as it sounds...an AM stand alone)
12 years programming & on air; sales and management since 87 with some overlap (ie: 2 years as half of morning show + sales manager...aargh those 14 hour days)
 
Those are translators, LPFM's need spacing.

Or more precisely, FM Translators are governed by contour overlap. LPFM's are governed by minimum distance spacing. The latter is, in general, far more restrictive...but it's also a helluva lot easier to do the allocations engineering for. Many LPFM proponents complained about the distance spacing method but even today it's not easy to do a proper contour study. It typically requires software that is usually very expensive (at least four digits) and a solid knowledge of often-arcane FCC rules. Back in 1999 this was doubly true as widespread internet access wasn't a reality yet; today it's a lot easier thanks to easier access to the FCC CDBS, the FCC Wireless Bureau tower registration, and online tools like www.antennasearch.com

Of course, translators DO have the ridiculous ERP restrictions based on HAAT along certain azimuths. It's really bizarre and, frankly, I've never understood why the FCC drew things up that way.

I think I could put a roof over my head and buy lots of mac and cheese!

Quite possibly you could, but don't underestimate how hard it is. LPFM's are non-commercial/educational licenses which means you cannot air commercials, you can only air "underwriting". Which is commercials but with significant restrictions on what you can say.

Our LPFM gets only a handful of sponsors, whereas the local Class C AM (1kW day/night) in town bills remarkably well. A major reason, despite the waaaaay higher cost of spots, is that on the Class C AM, you can talk about sales and prices and whatnot. You can't do that on our LPFM...FBOFW.
 
Your point on Underwriting restrictions is the very reason I feel LPFM works best without an AM or FM competitor serving the LPFM's town. When radio serving a particular community gives the option for advertising, it is always the preferred choice, leaving the LPFM with a very limited budget.

In my experience, the only station in town normally gets plenty of advertisers who want to do what we called 'institutional' type advertising (who you are and what you do). In some small markets I worked we forced an annual package to get on school sports broadcasts. Most wanted to simply say they supported "our youth". Pretty much the same scenario for weather, community bulletin board and news sponsorship (the banks, insurance agents and air conditioning/heating businesses were prime candidates).

I think it would be pretty tough going against commercial AMs and FMs with a LPFM. I would think it would take lots of 'no' to finally reach a 'yes'.

I know one guy that sells his non-comm by saying "No screaming pitchmen, no buy, buy buy on our station. We offer classy advertising where the business offers friendly reminders of what they do so they become top of mind with our listeners." He points out that his advertisers seem to be considered a bit better than the competitors that don't use his station and because of the 'style' of friendly reminders makes listeners think our advertisers might be a bit more successful and experienced than the businesses that are always touting how great they are. He sells a bunch of underwriting that way...even car dealers. Annual contracts are awarded bonuses of getting some station IDs/liners (I'm John Doe at John Doe Heating and Air and Oldies 91 point 3 is always playing a better oldie). This owner knows it is tough for the client to cancel themselves (their voice from the airwaves).
 
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