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Lunch Time FM band opening in DFW!!!

Hello All,
I am turn up and down the FM dial on my car radio after 12:30PM Today. I heard a good band opening. I heard a lot of stations from the East and Southeast. The loudest station was Sunny 104.3 WEAT from West Palm Beach, FL.
I guess we are in that time of year again...I LOVE IT!!!

Dan-The-MAN!!!
 
We're hearing your stations on the other end in FL... including WRR 101.1, ESPN 103.3 and 105.3. Locals on 88.5, 94.1, 100.7 and other fqs getting hammered by Texas skip.
 
FM's from Florida and South Carolina clear as locals in Austin Texas, too --

Between 2 and 2:45 pm CDT 7/29/07 --

101.1 WAVV Naples Park. FL

103.1 The Buzz West Palm Beach

104.5 WRFQ Mt Pleasant, South Carolina

104.7 WRBQ Tampa

106.5 WCTQ Sarasota

Receiver: Cheap Toyota car radio.
 
dantheman said:
Hello All,
I am turn up and down the FM dial on my car radio after 12:30PM Today. I heard a good band opening. I heard a lot of stations from the East and Southeast. The loudest station was Sunny 104.3 WEAT from West Palm Beach, FL.
I guess we are in that time of year again...I LOVE IT!!!

Dan-The-MAN!!!

Driving around around 2PM...the RDS display on 95.7 showed "Zol95"...which I assume was WXDJ 95.7 "El Zol 95.7" in the Miami market.
 
For the record, this is probably tropo ducting, not e-skip. Tropo ducting usually occurs under warm, humid conditions, especially during cloud cover.

R
 
Robert Bass said:
For the record, this is probably tropo ducting, not e-skip. Tropo ducting usually occurs under warm, humid conditions, especially during cloud cover.

R

It was reported on the ABDX, working in the other direction! Several DFW stations receivable in Florida - including KEOM!
 
Robert,

Just logged WSFL at 106.5 from New Bern, North Carolina here in Austin.

Just curious, with a distance of 1245 miles from here to there, is it still considered tropo?

Thanks.
 
I was watching the Brickyard 400 from a restaurant bar and I took a walkman to listen to the race since their TV audio was muted. I picked up 92.9 out of Ocala, FL there and then had 92.9 from Florence, SC at 4PM and 5PM in the car.
 
I am C.E. of the 92.9 station in Ocala, Florida. I was driving around today and was listening to one station in the DFW area and two from the Texas west shore of the Gulf of Mexico. I was also listening to a church broadcast that kept using the words "local" and Aurora, Colorado. It was fading in and out so much, I could not catch where it was coming from. It was on 94.7. I am guessing it was a syndicated show from a station in Texas, but I could not keep it long enough to figure out where it was coming from. I did here the Aurora, Colorado reference several times, however. I wish I was paying more attention as to what frequencies I was listening to so I could have let you all know.....All of this was happening around 12n - 1:30pm EDT.
 
billengguy said:
I am C.E. of the 92.9 station in Ocala, Florida. I was driving around today and was listening to one station in the DFW area and two from the Texas west shore of the Gulf of Mexico. I was also listening to a church broadcast that kept using the words "local" and Aurora, Colorado. It was fading in and out so much, I could not catch where it was coming from. It was on 94.7. I am guessing it was a syndicated show from a station in Texas, but I could not keep it long enough to figure out where it was coming from. I did here the Aurora, Colorado reference several times, however. I wish I was paying more attention as to what frequencies I was listening to so I could have let you all know.....All of this was happening around 12n - 1:30pm EDT.

94.7 was likely Salem's religious KRKS 94.7 Lafayette CO, which serves Denver. Aurora CO is a suburb of Denver.
 
I was in Sw arlington at 5;15pm and KEOM was being swallowed by another station, similar format. It sounded like they said Florida. This was after a very heavy thunderstorm.
 
KPLEXCOMPLEX said:
I was in Sw arlington at 5;15pm and KEOM was being swallowed by another station, similar format. It sounded like they said Florida. This was after a very heavy thunderstorm.

Oh crap! Guess my home system part 15 transmitter is a little more powerful than I realized. Sorry about that, Kplex! ;) ;D

R
 
Robert Bass said:
No it was tropo.

Long-haul ducts exist, but this wasn't one of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV-FM_DX

General characteristics of a duct:
- Affect higher frequencies, like TV channels 7 and up, including UHF.
- Weakest, least likely during daylight hours. Best around sunrise and shortly after.
- Relatively long-lived. May open around sunset and remain open for a few hours after sunrise.
- Usually elevation-sensitive. If the "target city" has some stations on high towers & others at lower elevations, you often hear only the higher stations, even if the lower ones are more powerful. Or vice-versa.
- Fading is relatively slow and shallow. It will take 30 seconds to a minute for one station to fade out and be replaced by another.
- Relatively weak signals. Ducted signals usually won't be strong enough to clobber locals.
- Form best over water. Houston<=>Tampa, for example, is a common tropo ducting path.
- Related to weather. Most likely when an approaching cold front is about to push off a stable area of high pressure.
- Form over a single straight path. If there's a DFW<=>Pensacola path, there probably isn't a Pensacola<=>Cincinnati path at the same time.

General characteristics of E-skip:
- Affect lower frequencies. **THERE HAS NEVER BEEN E-SKIP ON UHF.** (in other words, if there's DX on UHF TV, it's **NOT** E-skip) Skip affecting TV channels 7-13 is EXTREMELY rare - many lifelong DXers have never seen it. E-skip ALWAYS affects lower TV channels 2-6 first.
- Most likely from late morning through mid-afternoon. Least likely in early mornings. (just when tropo is most likely)
- Short-lived. FM openings rarely last more than an hour. (yesterday was a very pleasant exception!)
- Usually NOT elevation-sensitive. If you get one station from a city, you'll probably get *all* the stations from that city regardless of antenna height. (and, in many cases, regardless of power)
- Fading is deep and rapid. One station may fade out completely in a second or two, to be completely replaced by another - and then to promptly return a second later.
- Relatively strong signals. Skip signals were covering several Nashville locals here yesterday. (20-25mi. away)
- Paths are independent of the geology underneath. Houston<=>Tampa is a common skip path, but so is Houston<=>Tucson.
- Form over a common midpoint zone. With a midpoint zone over Columbus, Georgia, you might have skip over Miami<=>Nashville, Charleston SC<=>Jackson MS, and Charlotte<=>New Orleans paths.
- Not dependent on weather at the endpoints. (there is some evidence that severe weather at the *midpoints* triggers E-skip)

So while Miami<=>DFW is not a completely impossible tropo path, the preponderance of the evidence suggests that what happened yesterday was in fact E-skip.
 
Did you look at the tropo forcast map in my previous post?

When KEOM E-skips, usually it hits the upper North portions of the US / Canadian border.

KEOM reception in Florida, for instance, is usuaally tropo. The tropo forcast from Sunday put tropo prospects at moderate to good levels on Sunday, over the South Eastern portion of the US, from Texas to Florida.

At any rate, KEOM's stick is only 514 feet tall, while most other sticks are typically in between 1,000 to 2,000 feet tall. Also, KEOM's signal is directional, sending the signal in every direction except the West. This is to protect KTCU's coverage area.

R
 
> Did you look at the tropo forcast map in my previous post?

I did.

Hepburn's map is a useful tool, prospectively. It helps you decide when it might be useful to check for possible band openings. But, Hepburn himself would tell you that it's experimental at best. Further, the paths shown on that map are not that impressive; it's not the sort-of forecast one one expect before a massive, widespread event.

Yesterday's event was without a doubt an ionospheric event. W9WI's synopsis was pretty comprehensive. One thing I can add, though, further proves the origin of the event. Signals were strong high on the HF band, well below the VHF bands. On the 28 MHz ham band (10 meters), it was mass hysteria -- solid signals all over, and massively strong. That simply would not happen on tropo. Ever.

Further, those who have done this for a while can tell, even absent other issues already mentioned, E-skip from tropo. They just sound and look different.

BTW: Here is a link to a mapper you may find useful and interesting:

http://www.mountainlake.k12.mn.us/ham/aprs/path.cgi?map=na

Unlike the Hepburn map, this is not a forecast; it's a real-time map of what is happening NOW (or within the past hour, anyway), based upon some automated 144 MHz ham data. Yesterday, it was just going wild. And, here, too, E-skip and tropo look different on this map. Use it a bit, and you'll see a difference.

In any event, yesterday was fun.

DE
 
In the 60's in regards to Tv "skip" I lived in San Antonio and we received KTRK Houston channel 13, Channel 10 in Corpus, and one time there was a channel 7 all the way from North Carolina.

In Denton in 1977 my roommate had a very tall vhf Antenna. We would watch Cowboy games from Channel 7 in Lawton,that were blocked out locally,Channel 2 KDKA Pittsburgh came in one night,Channel 12 around Beaumont came in clear as well over powering Ch.12 in Sherman-Ardmore.
 
OK, I have to tell my only TV skip story. It happened in '83 or '84, I think.

I changed the channel to 3 so I could play with my Atari computer. Instead of the normal static before I flipped the RF switch, I was greeted to a newscast. It was reasonably clear, with color information intact, but noisy. I knew it was distant, so I watched for a while to see where it was coming in from.

Las Vegas, Nevada. (To Garland, TX.) And it stayed somewhat watchable for at least an hour.

(They said there was a robbery at "The Mint", and it took a while to discover that they meant the casino of that name.)
 
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