Antone else notice that the M*A*S*H eps airing on MeTV are not the same old chopped-to-shreds syndicated prints? I'm seeing a lot of brief scenes and dialogue snippets that I haven't seen aired in years. I don't know if these are totally unedited or not, but I guess MeTV has less commercial time per hour than most nets.
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M*A*S*H on MeTV
- Thread starter Stanislav
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Oh yes, I don't watch "M*A*S*H" but I've noticed this on other shows.
I watch "Mary Tyler Moore" and I have seen scenes on ME-TV that I've never seen. And surprisingly it explains a lot. Just the other day, Mary and Rhoda were talking about Georgette being a "professional victim" and I never understood it. Well ME-TV broadcast either the uncut version or they cut another part, 'cause I saw the whole 2 minutes before this and it totally explained the joke. The joke was totally lost to me before 'cause every time I saw that episode the scene was cut.
I noticed this on other TV shows ME-TV shows. I don't know if ME-TV shows uncut versions or they cut other parts or what, it isn't just "M*A*S*H," I've noticed it on a lot of their shows
I watch "Mary Tyler Moore" and I have seen scenes on ME-TV that I've never seen. And surprisingly it explains a lot. Just the other day, Mary and Rhoda were talking about Georgette being a "professional victim" and I never understood it. Well ME-TV broadcast either the uncut version or they cut another part, 'cause I saw the whole 2 minutes before this and it totally explained the joke. The joke was totally lost to me before 'cause every time I saw that episode the scene was cut.
I noticed this on other TV shows ME-TV shows. I don't know if ME-TV shows uncut versions or they cut other parts or what, it isn't just "M*A*S*H," I've noticed it on a lot of their shows
Did M*A*S*H finally drop the laugh track in season 8 of the original run? I know the syndicated version has aired both with and without the tracks, and that the original versions included them for all but the 'serious operating room scenes. I vaguely remember that the end of the original run didn't have them at all.
Now that Louisville has MeTV (WLKY-DT 32.2), I'm really appreciative of the full-length, uncut WITH FULL CREDITS versions of shows from the powerhouse CBS/Paramount/Viacom (and other) libraries. MeTV is true value added for its affiliates, and cable systems don't drag their feet and they add this subchannel service quickly. And having access to the master film prints means a lot...I haven't seen a cue dot, sprocket fault, rough/jumpy edit or any such thing in any print of any show I've seen yet!
Even on "Dobie Gillis," they leave the original sponsor product icons on the end credits...and every show that I remember with an epilogue right before the end credits still has it! "A QM Production..." when series TV was for real!
Even on "Dobie Gillis," they leave the original sponsor product icons on the end credits...and every show that I remember with an epilogue right before the end credits still has it! "A QM Production..." when series TV was for real!
Even when MeTV was just a Chicago channel, they always showed the unedited episodes of the shows they carried (minus the sponsorships mentioned at the beginning of shows prior to 1970 & sponsored commercials between scenes, though they did air classic commercials then). On MeToo (since it became the Chicago MeTV), shows like Roseanne, they're running the original episodes that listed the credits with Roseanne as either Roseanne Barr, Roseanne Arnold, or just Roseanne (depending on when it originally aired). On other stations that carried Roseanne, they changed the opening & closing credits of all off-network syndicated episodes to say Roseanne Barr (including those that originally said Roseanne Arnold, but they did the opposite with the earliest episodes when it first went into syndication, by replacing Roseanne Barr with Roseanne Arnold). Weigel Broadcasting values the original versions of the shows they carry than other stations do. If the original version isn't available, they make do with it.
It's like on an episode of The Brady Bunch, MeTV shows the version where Jan calls the operator to call 762-0755 (I believe that's the correct number), claiming there's phone trouble, in order to get the family to believe she's talking to George Glass when the phone rings. On other stations airing this same episode, the last 4 numbers get muffled so no one in the real world tries to call that number at random (before TV used 555 phone numbers).
It's like on an episode of The Brady Bunch, MeTV shows the version where Jan calls the operator to call 762-0755 (I believe that's the correct number), claiming there's phone trouble, in order to get the family to believe she's talking to George Glass when the phone rings. On other stations airing this same episode, the last 4 numbers get muffled so no one in the real world tries to call that number at random (before TV used 555 phone numbers).
Dave said:
I actually had forgotten the value of full credits till I saw a "My Three Sons" episode on WPXI-11.2 in Pittsburgh that showed Toni products during its closing credits. I'm sorry to see "The Rifleman" replacing "Hogan's Heroes" but I find MeTV entertaining on quite a few levels.
KeyTimes950 said:
That was today's (8:30 AM ET/PT) episode, wasn't it? Surprising to see an original 35mm film
print in its "original" form (i.e., with sponsor logo). But what about the M3S open? Often
it's annoucer-less, and I'm pretty sure the original open had a voice for the title and at least
two lead credits.
BTW, if I read the fall MeTV sked correctly, Hogan will still have a double run on Saturdays
from 6-7 PM ET/PT.
I've definitely noticed the missing scenes. So much nicer than TVLands butchered episodes. Even the episode where Mr. Klinger gives Potter his SSN, it's muted everywhere else. I wonder if they would play the original music versions of WKRP.
And bring back Hogan's Heroes at 6-7pm (AZ time). The Rifleman is boring.
And bring back Hogan's Heroes at 6-7pm (AZ time). The Rifleman is boring.
urmanega said:
There are scenes that have been routinely cut for so long that I can't recall ever seeing them. Like Radar's home movies -- the scene is like twice as long as I'm accustomed to seeing. I probably haven't seen these cut scenes since the original network broadcasts, and that was a loooong time ago. (Hence, why I don't remember them.)
urmanega said:
The Rifleman would make more sense if scheduled in a block along with their other westerns. Makes no sense to shift gears to cop shows (Kojak, Rockford), then Rifleman, then into the evening sitcoms. It sticks out like a sore thumb.
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If you're trying to air shows cut like the original network edits, you'll probably have to take whatever you get in terms of laugh tracks or music tracks--they can vary all over the lot since shows were treated in different ways at different times for syndication, and changed frequently not only through multiple syndication runs, but even were re-edited sometimes between first-run and repeat-run in their original network airings.
The music on WKRP may or may not ever return--it's anyone's guess where music licensing stands and whether mini-networks on subsidiary digital channels like MeTV figure in the pecking order for music rights.
If MeTV tales off and draws large audiences, don't be surprised if shows edited for original network runs (which had fewer spot breaks then) get re-cut to fit another spot or two. The opening and closing credits, which right now seem to run in their entirety, are usually the elements to go first.
Meanwhile, what are they doing with shows which originally had tobacco company sponsors? Are they changing the credits, cutting the lower third of the screen where those things usually show, or just tiling out the cigarette sponsors' logos?
The music on WKRP may or may not ever return--it's anyone's guess where music licensing stands and whether mini-networks on subsidiary digital channels like MeTV figure in the pecking order for music rights.
If MeTV tales off and draws large audiences, don't be surprised if shows edited for original network runs (which had fewer spot breaks then) get re-cut to fit another spot or two. The opening and closing credits, which right now seem to run in their entirety, are usually the elements to go first.
Meanwhile, what are they doing with shows which originally had tobacco company sponsors? Are they changing the credits, cutting the lower third of the screen where those things usually show, or just tiling out the cigarette sponsors' logos?
Bob1370 said:
I've watched a LOT of MeTV lately, and at least on Dobie Gillis, the last two seasons have the original sponsor billboards on some episodes, others have a gray rectangle obscuring the logo. One episode had what was obviously two packs of cigarettes blurred to obscure them (they looked like Marlboros). All the non-obscured products were Colgate-Palmolive. The first 2 seasons seem to all have the syndicated "two-hearts" closings (at least on the episodes I've seen).
The other shows I've seen have typical syndication closings with the sponsors removed.
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