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Madonna - Sorry
- Thread starter djkst35
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> Goes for adds this week. Does it stand a chance at CHR?
> I've love to see her have another hit in the US. "Hung Up"
> was a worldwide smash, but was largely ignored by US radio.
>
>
I doubt it will even do as well as "Hung Up".
The problem is, it's a dance record. Do you realize how much of a smash a record has to be to cross into markets where dance typically doesn't work? The last record that did this that comes to mind is DJ Sammy's "Heaven"...that was what? 2002? Yikes.
This record will stiff, IMO. They're likely not going to put the marketing dollars into it that would be necessary to make an average record stand out, and it's not good enough to stand on it's own and cross over. A record like this would have to be HUGE before it would make sense in markets that can't get away with playing dance records.
Just my 2 cents...
> I've love to see her have another hit in the US. "Hung Up"
> was a worldwide smash, but was largely ignored by US radio.
>
>
I doubt it will even do as well as "Hung Up".
The problem is, it's a dance record. Do you realize how much of a smash a record has to be to cross into markets where dance typically doesn't work? The last record that did this that comes to mind is DJ Sammy's "Heaven"...that was what? 2002? Yikes.
This record will stiff, IMO. They're likely not going to put the marketing dollars into it that would be necessary to make an average record stand out, and it's not good enough to stand on it's own and cross over. A record like this would have to be HUGE before it would make sense in markets that can't get away with playing dance records.
Just my 2 cents...
>
> The problem is, it's a dance record.
And yet, Cascada's "Everytime We Touch" is already Top 20 on the Pop 100.
Last time I checked Madonna was much more of a brand name when compared to Cascada, and yet "Everytime we Touch" is still able to generate some serious airplay especially all over the Northeast.
Oh, and by the way, quite a few CHRs are playing the Dance remix to Kelly Clarkson's "Because of You" in all dayparts, including 95 SX Charleston and 107.5 The River Nashville. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by CHRles on 02/06/06 08:08 PM.</FONT></P>
> The problem is, it's a dance record.
And yet, Cascada's "Everytime We Touch" is already Top 20 on the Pop 100.
Last time I checked Madonna was much more of a brand name when compared to Cascada, and yet "Everytime we Touch" is still able to generate some serious airplay especially all over the Northeast.
Oh, and by the way, quite a few CHRs are playing the Dance remix to Kelly Clarkson's "Because of You" in all dayparts, including 95 SX Charleston and 107.5 The River Nashville. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by CHRles on 02/06/06 08:08 PM.</FONT></P>
> >
> > The problem is, it's a dance record.
>
> And yet, Cascada's "Everytime We Touch" is already Top 20 on
> the Pop 100.
> Last time I checked Madonna was much more of a brand name
> when compared to Cascada, and yet "Everytime we Touch" is
> still able to generate some serious airplay especially all
> over the Northeast.
> Oh, and by the way, quite a few CHRs are playing the Dance
> remix to Kelly Clarkson's "Because of You" in all dayparts,
> including 95 SX Charleston and 107.5 The River Nashville.
>
I'm not suggesting that NOTHING will work. I just think it's very rare, and I'm playing the odds.
The Cascada is doing very well for a dance record, but isn't yet crossing over everywhere.
Don't mistake what I said with something else. For a dance record to be mainstream everywhere, it has to be special. That isn't the case for all other genres.
You're suggesting that I said dance doesn't work ANYWHERE. Quite the contrary.
This record will probably be a hit for some, but not many.
> > The problem is, it's a dance record.
>
> And yet, Cascada's "Everytime We Touch" is already Top 20 on
> the Pop 100.
> Last time I checked Madonna was much more of a brand name
> when compared to Cascada, and yet "Everytime we Touch" is
> still able to generate some serious airplay especially all
> over the Northeast.
> Oh, and by the way, quite a few CHRs are playing the Dance
> remix to Kelly Clarkson's "Because of You" in all dayparts,
> including 95 SX Charleston and 107.5 The River Nashville.
>
I'm not suggesting that NOTHING will work. I just think it's very rare, and I'm playing the odds.
The Cascada is doing very well for a dance record, but isn't yet crossing over everywhere.
Don't mistake what I said with something else. For a dance record to be mainstream everywhere, it has to be special. That isn't the case for all other genres.
You're suggesting that I said dance doesn't work ANYWHERE. Quite the contrary.
This record will probably be a hit for some, but not many.
Cascada's "Everytime We Touch"
> I'm not suggesting that NOTHING will work. I just think
> it's very rare, and I'm playing the odds.
>
Okay, I'll definitely acknowledge that it's fairly rare
> The Cascada is doing very well for a dance record, but isn't
> yet crossing over everywhere.
But with as much crossover as it's already managed to pull off, the overall signs are very positive. Now does this mean that every Dance record stands the same chance? Probably not, but a decent Madonna record perhaps might.
>
> Don't mistake what I said with something else. For a dance
> record to be mainstream everywhere, it has to be special.
> That isn't the case for all other genres.
I agree with you that Dance records have a harder time crossing over when compared to Rock and especially Hip Hop, there's no denying that.
> This record will probably be a hit for some, but not many.
>
Isn't the Cascada already a hit for many stations if its chart position is already relatively high?
This is what John Parker of Robbins Entertainement, the record company that distributes Cascada's music in the US, has posted as far as airplay statistics:
http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=646586&Board=dance
CASCADA
“EVERYTIME WE TOUCH”
#1 PHONES WHTZ WBLI WWWQ WXKS WWYL WPXY KSAS
TOP 5 PHONES WIHB WHTF WIOQ KSXY WNKI WABB WZNR KIFS PRO-FM KDND KBKS
#1 DANCE SINGLE AT I-TUNES (Over 25,000 downloads this week)
Mainstream Top 40: BDS 29* - 23* + 371 R&R 33* - 23* + 419
#1 Billboard Monitor Dance Airplay! (3rd week)
NEW THIS WEEK:
KHTS KHFI WDCG WEZB WDKF WGTZ KQCH WVKS
KKMG WERZ WXLK WRTS KZBB WJMX
MySpace info:
351,590 Profile Views in 3.5 weeks
547,138 Plays on the Player
24,260 "Friends"
And this is what he posted on January 26th:
http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=641449&Board=dance
It is playing in the MidWest & South. But we are always looking for more stations coast to coast.
Here's what's happening with it:
WIHB (Charleston SC) 107X
WHTZ (NYC) 98X
WKSS (Hartford) 92X
WSPK (Poughkeepsie) 86X
WIOQ (Philadelphia) 82X
WZNR (Norfolk) 80X
The Beat (Sirius) 72X
WDRE (Long Island) 72X
WXKS (Boston) 63X
WBLI (Long Island) 63X
WFHN (New Bedford) 61X
WKCI (New Haven) 59X
WABB (Mobile, AL) 58X
Top 20 on 20 (XM) 56X
KSXY (Santa Rosa) 55X
KNHC (Seattle) 53X
Sirius Hits-1 (Sirius) 51X
KNRJ (Phoenix) 50X
WWWQ (Atlanta) 49X
WZEE (Madison, WI) 49X
WAJZ (Albany) 46X
KDWB (Minneapolis) 45X
WFLY (Albany) 44X
WCIL (Carbondale, IL) 41X
WRHT (Greenville, NC) 40X
WAKS (Cleveland) 38X
WAKZ (Youngstown, OH) 38X
WXXL (Orlando) 37X
WPXY (Rochester) 37X
WHTS (Quad Cities) 37X
WSSX (Charleston, SC) 36X
KSME (Ft. Collins) 36X
WVYB (Daytona Beach) 34X
KKOB (Albuquerque) 33X
WXYK (Biloxi) 33X
WZKL (Canton, OH) 33X
WKTU (NYC) 32X
KDND (Sacramento) 31X
WKSE (Buffalo) 31X
WYKS (Gainsville, FL) 31X
KKDM (Des Moines) 30X
KLAL (Little Rock, AR) 30X
WPRO (Providence) 29X
WHKF (Harrisburg) 29X
WCGQ (Columbus, GA) 29X
KNGY (San Francisco) 28X
KSMB (Lafayette, LA) 27X
KHTT (Tulsa) 27X
WHBQ (Memphis) 27X
WHYI (Miami) 25X
CKEY (Buffalo) 25X
and loads more....
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by CHRles on 02/06/06 08:37 PM.</FONT></P>
> I'm not suggesting that NOTHING will work. I just think
> it's very rare, and I'm playing the odds.
>
Okay, I'll definitely acknowledge that it's fairly rare
> The Cascada is doing very well for a dance record, but isn't
> yet crossing over everywhere.
But with as much crossover as it's already managed to pull off, the overall signs are very positive. Now does this mean that every Dance record stands the same chance? Probably not, but a decent Madonna record perhaps might.
>
> Don't mistake what I said with something else. For a dance
> record to be mainstream everywhere, it has to be special.
> That isn't the case for all other genres.
I agree with you that Dance records have a harder time crossing over when compared to Rock and especially Hip Hop, there's no denying that.
> This record will probably be a hit for some, but not many.
>
Isn't the Cascada already a hit for many stations if its chart position is already relatively high?
This is what John Parker of Robbins Entertainement, the record company that distributes Cascada's music in the US, has posted as far as airplay statistics:
http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=646586&Board=dance
CASCADA
“EVERYTIME WE TOUCH”
#1 PHONES WHTZ WBLI WWWQ WXKS WWYL WPXY KSAS
TOP 5 PHONES WIHB WHTF WIOQ KSXY WNKI WABB WZNR KIFS PRO-FM KDND KBKS
#1 DANCE SINGLE AT I-TUNES (Over 25,000 downloads this week)
Mainstream Top 40: BDS 29* - 23* + 371 R&R 33* - 23* + 419
#1 Billboard Monitor Dance Airplay! (3rd week)
NEW THIS WEEK:
KHTS KHFI WDCG WEZB WDKF WGTZ KQCH WVKS
KKMG WERZ WXLK WRTS KZBB WJMX
MySpace info:
351,590 Profile Views in 3.5 weeks
547,138 Plays on the Player
24,260 "Friends"
And this is what he posted on January 26th:
http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=641449&Board=dance
It is playing in the MidWest & South. But we are always looking for more stations coast to coast.
Here's what's happening with it:
WIHB (Charleston SC) 107X
WHTZ (NYC) 98X
WKSS (Hartford) 92X
WSPK (Poughkeepsie) 86X
WIOQ (Philadelphia) 82X
WZNR (Norfolk) 80X
The Beat (Sirius) 72X
WDRE (Long Island) 72X
WXKS (Boston) 63X
WBLI (Long Island) 63X
WFHN (New Bedford) 61X
WKCI (New Haven) 59X
WABB (Mobile, AL) 58X
Top 20 on 20 (XM) 56X
KSXY (Santa Rosa) 55X
KNHC (Seattle) 53X
Sirius Hits-1 (Sirius) 51X
KNRJ (Phoenix) 50X
WWWQ (Atlanta) 49X
WZEE (Madison, WI) 49X
WAJZ (Albany) 46X
KDWB (Minneapolis) 45X
WFLY (Albany) 44X
WCIL (Carbondale, IL) 41X
WRHT (Greenville, NC) 40X
WAKS (Cleveland) 38X
WAKZ (Youngstown, OH) 38X
WXXL (Orlando) 37X
WPXY (Rochester) 37X
WHTS (Quad Cities) 37X
WSSX (Charleston, SC) 36X
KSME (Ft. Collins) 36X
WVYB (Daytona Beach) 34X
KKOB (Albuquerque) 33X
WXYK (Biloxi) 33X
WZKL (Canton, OH) 33X
WKTU (NYC) 32X
KDND (Sacramento) 31X
WKSE (Buffalo) 31X
WYKS (Gainsville, FL) 31X
KKDM (Des Moines) 30X
KLAL (Little Rock, AR) 30X
WPRO (Providence) 29X
WHKF (Harrisburg) 29X
WCGQ (Columbus, GA) 29X
KNGY (San Francisco) 28X
KSMB (Lafayette, LA) 27X
KHTT (Tulsa) 27X
WHBQ (Memphis) 27X
WHYI (Miami) 25X
CKEY (Buffalo) 25X
and loads more....
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by CHRles on 02/06/06 08:37 PM.</FONT></P>
Re: Cascada's "Everytime We Touch"
The problem with dance records is most people don't even "try" them til they're already a hit.
We gave this tune a chance at KQID because it'd been awhile since a dance record had been on our station and thought "why not this tune?" So we tried it, and were patient with it, and lo and behold, it's getting calls now.
So many PDs are followers. Some never try and figure out their audience's likes, dislikes, tendencies, etc. to know if a song like this would even work. They just know that current national trends dictate a Beyonce' tune or an explicit candy-referenced rap "song" will drive the phones nuts.
In any event, Madonna's track record (to me) dictates that if the song's got some listenable quality to it, it deserves a try, anyhow.
The problem with dance records is most people don't even "try" them til they're already a hit.
We gave this tune a chance at KQID because it'd been awhile since a dance record had been on our station and thought "why not this tune?" So we tried it, and were patient with it, and lo and behold, it's getting calls now.
So many PDs are followers. Some never try and figure out their audience's likes, dislikes, tendencies, etc. to know if a song like this would even work. They just know that current national trends dictate a Beyonce' tune or an explicit candy-referenced rap "song" will drive the phones nuts.
In any event, Madonna's track record (to me) dictates that if the song's got some listenable quality to it, it deserves a try, anyhow.
Re: Cascada's "Everytime We Touch"
> Here's what's happening with it:
>
> WIHB (Charleston SC) 107X
> WHTZ (NYC) 98X
> WKSS (Hartford) 92X
> WSPK (Poughkeepsie) 86X
> WIOQ (Philadelphia) 82X
> WZNR (Norfolk) 80X
> The Beat (Sirius) 72X
> WDRE (Long Island) 72X
> WXKS (Boston) 63X
> WBLI (Long Island) 63X
> WFHN (New Bedford) 61X
> WKCI (New Haven) 59X
> WABB (Mobile, AL) 58X
> Top 20 on 20 (XM) 56X
> KSXY (Santa Rosa) 55X
> KNHC (Seattle) 53X
> Sirius Hits-1 (Sirius) 51X
> KNRJ (Phoenix) 50X
> WWWQ (Atlanta) 49X
> WZEE (Madison, WI) 49X
> WAJZ (Albany) 46X
> KDWB (Minneapolis) 45X
> WFLY (Albany) 44X
> WCIL (Carbondale, IL) 41X
> WRHT (Greenville, NC) 40X
> WAKS (Cleveland) 38X
> WAKZ (Youngstown, OH) 38X
> WXXL (Orlando) 37X
> WPXY (Rochester) 37X
> WHTS (Quad Cities) 37X
> WSSX (Charleston, SC) 36X
> KSME (Ft. Collins) 36X
> WVYB (Daytona Beach) 34X
> KKOB (Albuquerque) 33X
> WXYK (Biloxi) 33X
> WZKL (Canton, OH) 33X
> WKTU (NYC) 32X
> KDND (Sacramento) 31X
> WKSE (Buffalo) 31X
> WYKS (Gainsville, FL) 31X
> KKDM (Des Moines) 30X
> KLAL (Little Rock, AR) 30X
> WPRO (Providence) 29X
> WHKF (Harrisburg) 29X
> WCGQ (Columbus, GA) 29X
> KNGY (San Francisco) 28X
> KSMB (Lafayette, LA) 27X
> KHTT (Tulsa) 27X
> WHBQ (Memphis) 27X
> WHYI (Miami) 25X
> CKEY (Buffalo) 25X
> and loads more....
>
WXSS just added it into regular rotation over the weekend.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> Here's what's happening with it:
>
> WIHB (Charleston SC) 107X
> WHTZ (NYC) 98X
> WKSS (Hartford) 92X
> WSPK (Poughkeepsie) 86X
> WIOQ (Philadelphia) 82X
> WZNR (Norfolk) 80X
> The Beat (Sirius) 72X
> WDRE (Long Island) 72X
> WXKS (Boston) 63X
> WBLI (Long Island) 63X
> WFHN (New Bedford) 61X
> WKCI (New Haven) 59X
> WABB (Mobile, AL) 58X
> Top 20 on 20 (XM) 56X
> KSXY (Santa Rosa) 55X
> KNHC (Seattle) 53X
> Sirius Hits-1 (Sirius) 51X
> KNRJ (Phoenix) 50X
> WWWQ (Atlanta) 49X
> WZEE (Madison, WI) 49X
> WAJZ (Albany) 46X
> KDWB (Minneapolis) 45X
> WFLY (Albany) 44X
> WCIL (Carbondale, IL) 41X
> WRHT (Greenville, NC) 40X
> WAKS (Cleveland) 38X
> WAKZ (Youngstown, OH) 38X
> WXXL (Orlando) 37X
> WPXY (Rochester) 37X
> WHTS (Quad Cities) 37X
> WSSX (Charleston, SC) 36X
> KSME (Ft. Collins) 36X
> WVYB (Daytona Beach) 34X
> KKOB (Albuquerque) 33X
> WXYK (Biloxi) 33X
> WZKL (Canton, OH) 33X
> WKTU (NYC) 32X
> KDND (Sacramento) 31X
> WKSE (Buffalo) 31X
> WYKS (Gainsville, FL) 31X
> KKDM (Des Moines) 30X
> KLAL (Little Rock, AR) 30X
> WPRO (Providence) 29X
> WHKF (Harrisburg) 29X
> WCGQ (Columbus, GA) 29X
> KNGY (San Francisco) 28X
> KSMB (Lafayette, LA) 27X
> KHTT (Tulsa) 27X
> WHBQ (Memphis) 27X
> WHYI (Miami) 25X
> CKEY (Buffalo) 25X
> and loads more....
>
WXSS just added it into regular rotation over the weekend.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
M
midwestclubber
Guest
> >
> > The problem is, it's a dance record.
>
> And yet, Cascada's "Everytime We Touch" is already Top 20 on
> the Pop 100.
> Last time I checked Madonna was much more of a brand name
> when compared to Cascada, and yet "Everytime we Touch" is
> still able to generate some serious airplay especially all
> over the Northeast.
> Oh, and by the way, quite a few CHRs are playing the Dance
> remix to Kelly Clarkson's "Because of You" in all dayparts,
> including 95 SX Charleston and 107.5 The River Nashville.
>
Also, The new B-92 Charleston, and Rhythmic leaning 104.5 WSNX are both playing the Dance Version of Kelly Clarkson-Because of you.... And who knows what other CHRs in unrated, un-monitored markets may be playing it? Plus, we are seeing a sudden surge of Well Known Established Mainstream artists that are doing Dance Flavored records, Like Rhianna S.O.S and Gwen Stefani-Crash, and even the new LL Cool J FT J-lo Record is Retro Dance flavored. Im pretty sure Sorry will do about as well as Hung up, some stations will play it alot, and the conservative markets will sleep on it.
> > The problem is, it's a dance record.
>
> And yet, Cascada's "Everytime We Touch" is already Top 20 on
> the Pop 100.
> Last time I checked Madonna was much more of a brand name
> when compared to Cascada, and yet "Everytime we Touch" is
> still able to generate some serious airplay especially all
> over the Northeast.
> Oh, and by the way, quite a few CHRs are playing the Dance
> remix to Kelly Clarkson's "Because of You" in all dayparts,
> including 95 SX Charleston and 107.5 The River Nashville.
>
Also, The new B-92 Charleston, and Rhythmic leaning 104.5 WSNX are both playing the Dance Version of Kelly Clarkson-Because of you.... And who knows what other CHRs in unrated, un-monitored markets may be playing it? Plus, we are seeing a sudden surge of Well Known Established Mainstream artists that are doing Dance Flavored records, Like Rhianna S.O.S and Gwen Stefani-Crash, and even the new LL Cool J FT J-lo Record is Retro Dance flavored. Im pretty sure Sorry will do about as well as Hung up, some stations will play it alot, and the conservative markets will sleep on it.
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