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Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

> What other dance record (not plural) and why? Does there
> need to be an excuse to play a good song (or songs)? I
> don't see hip/hop listeners being asked what SONG should be
> played and why. This thread is a big joke just like the
> execs in radio now.
>

*Sarcasm Mode on*
Dude, if you need to go to the bathroom real bad don't hold back, just GO!
Such hate, such anger, damn that Rap music and what it's doing to today's youth

*Sarcasm mode off*
Last I checked Hip Hop radio stations consistently follow audience reasearch, just like most of the other commercial FM stations, which means that they too value audience interaction and reaction.
John's question in my eyes was valid, but if you don't like his question that's your right. It just seems like you're going off on everybody here with a mere 2 posts - first a Dance record company executive, and now every single exec in radio.
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

That's easy(lol)
"DanceFloor" and/or "Last Call"!
Always a pleasure@
> Thanks. Let me ask this then, in your opinion, what other
> "dance" record do you think that Top 40 Radio should be
> playing and why should they be playing it? Maybe we should
> spin this into a different thread.
>
> jp
>
>
>
> > I applaud their success but the way I see it, when
> listeners
> > are only offered one dance song, they take what they get.
> >
> > Not to take away from their and your companies success on
> > the record. Congratulations.
> >
>
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

Hip-hop isn't exactly a struggling genre of music either.
Why should it matter if he asked for someone to name one song they think should be played or if he asked for a list of a few?
After all, this thread started with the mention of only one song.
I haven't read all 6 of the posts you have made so far, but based on the the two I have read, you don't seem to be supportive of a discussion of dance music on the radio.
Maybe it's you who shouldn't be posting here.

> What other dance record (not plural) and why? Does there
> need to be an excuse to play a good song (or songs)? I
> don't see hip/hop listeners being asked what SONG should be
> played and why. This thread is a big joke just like the
> execs in radio now.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Because you dance to disco but you still like rock.</P>
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

> I can think of two off the top of my head.
>
> Bob Sinclair - Love Generation.
> Sure it's gotten old to us, but I think it's a great song.
> Top 40 audiences may think it's too "cheesy" though.
>
> Scent - Up & Down
> Another really good one.
>

Great suggestions. Chalk up another vote from me on both of these records.
I also love the fact that even though Jimmy loves the Bob Sinclair record he was onbjective enough to mention a possible downfall the song may encounter on American Top 40 radio.
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

OK, good choices (One being my record!) but why should TOP 40 radio play them outside of the fact that one person likes them? Play record rep and give me an arguement to present to a station as to why those songs should be played 50 times a week next to Beyonce and All-American Rejects.

To convince radio, pretty much at any level you need a story. What are the stories with these songs? Why would a station in Mobile or LA or NY play these records?

jp



> I can think of two off the top of my head.
>
> Bob Sinclair - Love Generation.
> Sure it's gotten old to us, but I think it's a great song.
> Top 40 audiences may think it's too "cheesy" though.
>
> Scent - Up & Down
> Another really good one.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, they are both original songs
> with no samples.
> If they are covers or do have samples, they certaintly
> aren't obvious classics that people identify with.
> And to me, neither have the cheese factor that you get with
> some of the covers out there.
>
> > Thanks. Let me ask this then, in your opinion, what other
>
> > "dance" record do you think that Top 40 Radio should be
> > playing and why should they be playing it? Maybe we
> should
> > spin this into a different thread.
> >
> > jp
> >
> >
> >
> > > I applaud their success but the way I see it, when
> > listeners
> > > are only offered one dance song, they take what they
> get.
> > >
> > > Not to take away from their and your companies success
> on
> > > the record. Congratulations.
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

> OK, good choices (One being my record!) but why should TOP
> 40 radio play them outside of the fact that one person likes
> them? Play record rep and give me an arguement to present
> to a station as to why those songs should be played 50 times
> a week next to Beyonce and All-American Rejects.
>
> To convince radio, pretty much at any level you need a
> story. What are the stories with these songs? Why would a
> station in Mobile or LA or NY play these records?
>
> jp
> neither of those records will play in Mobile or LA or NY; they are TOO euro-centric,and there's no real identifiable artist,front and center,associated with either record(I don't think Bob sinclair is a "performer" is he, he's a dj making records for other djs, not the masses.
>
>
> > I can think of two off the top of my head.
> >
> > Bob Sinclair - Love Generation.
> > Sure it's gotten old to us, but I think it's a great song.
>
> > Top 40 audiences may think it's too "cheesy" though.
> >
> > Scent - Up & Down
> > Another really good one.
> >
> > To the best of my knowledge, they are both original songs
> > with no samples.
> > If they are covers or do have samples, they certaintly
> > aren't obvious classics that people identify with.
> > And to me, neither have the cheese factor that you get
> with
> > some of the covers out there.
> >
> > > Thanks. Let me ask this then, in your opinion, what
> other
> >
> > > "dance" record do you think that Top 40 Radio should be
> > > playing and why should they be playing it? Maybe we
> > should
> > > spin this into a different thread.
> > >
> > > jp
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I applaud their success but the way I see it, when
> > > listeners
> > > > are only offered one dance song, they take what they
> > get.
> > > >
> > > > Not to take away from their and your companies success
>
> > on
> > > > the record. Congratulations.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

Well that is a good question that I don't have the answer to.
That's why I work a customer service job and don't run a record label, haha.

> OK, good choices (One being my record!) but why should TOP
> 40 radio play them outside of the fact that one person likes
> them? Play record rep and give me an arguement to present
> to a station as to why those songs should be played 50 times
> a week next to Beyonce and All-American Rejects.
>
> To convince radio, pretty much at any level you need a
> story. What are the stories with these songs? Why would a
> station in Mobile or LA or NY play these records?
>
> jp
>
>
>
> > I can think of two off the top of my head.
> >
> > Bob Sinclair - Love Generation.
> > Sure it's gotten old to us, but I think it's a great song.
>
> > Top 40 audiences may think it's too "cheesy" though.
> >
> > Scent - Up & Down
> > Another really good one.
> >
> > To the best of my knowledge, they are both original songs
> > with no samples.
> > If they are covers or do have samples, they certaintly
> > aren't obvious classics that people identify with.
> > And to me, neither have the cheese factor that you get
> with
> > some of the covers out there.
> >
> > > Thanks. Let me ask this then, in your opinion, what
> other
> >
> > > "dance" record do you think that Top 40 Radio should be
> > > playing and why should they be playing it? Maybe we
> > should
> > > spin this into a different thread.
> > >
> > > jp
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I applaud their success but the way I see it, when
> > > listeners
> > > > are only offered one dance song, they take what they
> > get.
> > > >
> > > > Not to take away from their and your companies success
>
> > on
> > > > the record. Congratulations.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Because you dance to disco but you still like rock.</P>
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

> OK, good choices (One being my record!) but why should TOP
> 40 radio play them outside of the fact that one person likes
> them? Play record rep and give me an arguement to present
> to a station as to why those songs should be played 50 times
> a week next to Beyonce and All-American Rejects.
>
> To convince radio, pretty much at any level you need a
> story. What are the stories with these songs? Why would a
> station in Mobile or LA or NY play these records?
>
> jp

For the same reason they can play Cascada - even if take replace the Dance melodies on "Everytime We Touch" and replace them with Rock or Pop melodies you might still have a hit on your hand. I feel the same is true for "Love Generation" - it has a big Pop appeal with its reggae vocals, its youth-friendly and Pop chorus (talking about a generation, and about love).
On top of that the song charted very highly all over Europe, and stayed on the charts for weeks on end. It also received major airplay from CHR radio from every single country in Europe, as well as countries in the middle east, Australia, Latin America, and East Asia. The song managed to cross boundaries and cross formats :)
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

> > neither of those records will play in Mobile or LA or NY;
> they are TOO euro-centric,and there's no real identifiable
> artist,front and center,associated with either record(I
> don't think Bob sinclair is a "performer" is he, he's a dj
> making records for other djs, not the masses.
> >
Actually the opposite might be true - "love Generation" is not Euro sounding enough to get played in Mobile. When you think about it, just about the only Dance records to get a major reaction in markets like Mobile in recent years have been the Euro-sounding Dance records: DJ Sammy, DHT, and now Cascada.

Bob Sinclair is both a DJ and a producer, and has released numerous records over the years under different aliases. While "Love Generation" is his most successful track to date, he is no stranger to Europe's Pop charts and Pop radio stations.
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

> > > neither of those records will play in Mobile or LA or
> NY;
> > they are TOO euro-centric,and there's no real identifiable
>
> > artist,front and center,associated with either record(I
> > don't think Bob sinclair is a "performer" is he, he's a dj
>
> > making records for other djs, not the masses.
> > >
> Actually the opposite might be true - "love Generation" is
> not Euro sounding enough to get played in Mobile. When you
> think about it, just about the only Dance records to get a
> major reaction in markets like Mobile in recent years have
> been the Euro-sounding Dance records: DJ Sammy, DHT, and now
> Cascada.
>
> Bob Sinclair is both a DJ and a producer, and has released
> numerous records over the years under different aliases.
> While "Love Generation" is his most successful track to
> date, he is no stranger to Europe's Pop charts and Pop radio
> stations.
> charles, I luv you and JP,but i must say that both "Heaven" and "Listen To Your Heart" were remakes of already massive hits,both of which were reliant on ballad mixes/versions for a good part of their airplay(in New York,anyway.)
Cascada is great and fun,but sticks out on BLI or Z100 almost like a novelty record,not the norm for CHR. And I think JP and Co. are doing a brilliant job weathering 'the storm' that is the current US dance/radio situation.
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

heres one:

Tom Novy - Your Body

I will brainstorm and think of a list. I cant just list big songs but have to think about the songs that would appeal to little old "katie wilson" listening to the song on her favorite pop station.
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

> heres one:
>
> Tom Novy - Your Body
>
Personally I prefer Tom Novy's "Closing Time (AKA Take It)", but "Your Body" will do just fine, LOL.
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

> > charles, I luv you and JP,but i must say that both
> "Heaven" and "Listen To Your Heart" were remakes of already
> massive hits,both of which were reliant on ballad
> mixes/versions for a good part of their airplay(in New
> York,anyway.)
> Cascada is great and fun,but sticks out on BLI or Z100
> almost like a novelty record,not the norm for CHR.

Hey I can definitely respect that. We're just looking at these records through different sets of eyes and ears I suppose.
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

> Thanks. Let me ask this then, in your opinion, what other
> "dance" record do you think that Top 40 Radio should be
> playing and why should they be playing it? Maybe we should
> spin this into a different thread.

Well, Debbie Loeb's "Faraway" looks like it has a shot at possible chart success.
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

> Thanks. Let me ask this then, in your opinion, what other
> "dance" record do you think that Top 40 Radio should be
> playing and why should they be playing it? Maybe we should
> spin this into a different thread.
>
> jp
>
>
>
> > I applaud their success but the way I see it, when
> listeners
> > are only offered one dance song, they take what they get.
> >
> > Not to take away from their and your companies success on
> > the record. Congratulations.
> >
>
Alright, this seems like a fun enough challenge.

Deepsky ft. Jes - Ghost (Original) <-- just different enough that it might work, although it would need a good edit.
Above & Beyond - Alone Tonight (Original) <-- this one will hopefully have an edit on the new A&B album (Can't Wait for that one), and it speaks to themes that rock / emo / whatever also does, but with a trancey melody
Mylo - Doctor Pressure <--- I'm wondering why this one hasn't exploded yet, although it does sample the old Miami Sound Machine track.

Also I second Scent - Up & Down, great track :). Although someone said it doesn't sample anything, it feels WAY TOO MUCH like Point of View or Be My World, although I'm not sure whether it samples them.
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

Here's my personal take on the records you listed:

Deepsky ft. Jes - Ghost (Original): Nice club track but the record (Lyrically & Musically) would not work on a Top 40. Also it's a record that has not yet won over the hearts of the dance stations. CHR's 99.9% of the time won't look at a dance song without some sort of track record. This one just doesn't seem like a good fit. What "story" could we bring to a station to convince them to play it? Again my opinion.

Above & Beyond - Alone Tonight (Original) Haven't heard an edit so hard for me to judge it as a radio record. So I'll stay neutral on this one but again nothing happening to make any station look at it.

Mylo - Doctor Pressure : Excellent record. Familiar lyrics to a good portion of the upper demos. Current sounding track (by Pop standards). Will get a push once it reacts at stations like WKTU. If it doesn't react at a WKTU, it won't make it.

Scent - Up & Down: A Robbins release so I will simply say that it's not yet ready for Top 40. No current story to get it there. See I don't just praise my own tracks. :)

jp
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

"Well, Debbie Loeb's "Faraway" looks like it has a shot at possible chart success."

Agreed but does it belong on right this minute? Hmmmm, it's getting there but I don't think it's ready to go yet.

I would argue that the initial shot she's getting is more of a reaction to the celebrity factor than the song factor. Not that it matters because a foot in the door could be all you need, and being on TV is a good thing. I think the song is ok at best and would be surprised if it became a real hit dance track at Top 40. But that's just me. I know that on the Robbins Message board a bunch of people love the song. Just starting at Dance radio so let's see where it winds up.

jp
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

"For the same reason they can play Cascada - even if take
replace the Dance melodies on "Everytime We Touch" and
replace them with Rock or Pop melodies you might still have
a hit on your hand. I feel the same is true for "Love
Generation" - it has a big Pop appeal with its reggae
vocals, its youth-friendly and Pop chorus (talking about a
generation, and about love).

On top of that the song charted very highly all over Europe,
and stayed on the charts for weeks on end. It also received
major airplay from CHR radio from every single country in
Europe, as well as countries in the middle east, Australia,
Latin America, and East Asia. The song managed to cross
boundaries and cross formats :)"
---------------------------------------------------------

Yes, a great lyric can work in any style. But "Love Generation" is still attempting to prove that it's a dance radio hit in the US. We know that chart success overseas means virtually nothing in the States. I do belive that if TB can bring this record home at dance, create some good sales numbers and then get something else going, like a Pepsi commercial, for it. Then TOP 40 might look at it. But as of today, that record wouldn't be added outside of the dance world in my opinion. Just way to unfamiliar for a pop audience.

jp
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

:)

jp

> Well that is a good question that I don't have the answer
> to.
> That's why I work a customer service job and don't run a
> record label, haha.
>
> > OK, good choices (One being my record!) but why should TOP
>
> > 40 radio play them outside of the fact that one person
> likes
> > them? Play record rep and give me an arguement to present
>
> > to a station as to why those songs should be played 50
> times
> > a week next to Beyonce and All-American Rejects.
> >
> > To convince radio, pretty much at any level you need a
> > story. What are the stories with these songs? Why would
> a
> > station in Mobile or LA or NY play these records?
> >
> > jp
> >
> >
> >
> > > I can think of two off the top of my head.
> > >
> > > Bob Sinclair - Love Generation.
> > > Sure it's gotten old to us, but I think it's a great
> song.
> >
> > > Top 40 audiences may think it's too "cheesy" though.
> > >
> > > Scent - Up & Down
> > > Another really good one.
> > >
> > > To the best of my knowledge, they are both original
> songs
> > > with no samples.
> > > If they are covers or do have samples, they certaintly
> > > aren't obvious classics that people identify with.
> > > And to me, neither have the cheese factor that you get
> > with
> > > some of the covers out there.
> > >
> > > > Thanks. Let me ask this then, in your opinion, what
> > other
> > >
> > > > "dance" record do you think that Top 40 Radio should
> be
> > > > playing and why should they be playing it? Maybe we
> > > should
> > > > spin this into a different thread.
> > > >
> > > > jp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I applaud their success but the way I see it, when
> > > > listeners
> > > > > are only offered one dance song, they take what they
>
> > > get.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not to take away from their and your companies
> success
> >
> > > on
> > > > > the record. Congratulations.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: You may not agree but the people have spoken :)

"charles, I luv you and JP,but i must say that both
"Heaven" and "Listen To Your Heart" were remakes of already
massive hits,both of which were reliant on ballad
mixes/versions for a good part of their airplay(in New
York,anyway.)
Cascada is great and fun,but sticks out on BLI or Z100
almost like a novelty record,not the norm for CHR. And I
think JP and Co. are doing a brilliant job weathering 'the
storm' that is the current US dance/radio situation."
-------------------------------------------------------

Excellent point Jimmy. "Heaven" and "Listen To Your Heart" were recognized instantly by the Pop audience because they were covers of pop hits. Which comes back to my point that Pop radio plays things that are familiar. They are not looking to experiment because their listeners don't want it. For better or worse, it is what it is.

And yes, both did do better on the charts because of the "Candlelight" mixes. That allowed those records to gain chart points by achieving airplay on stations that wouldn't play a "dance" record. And at the same time, give stations that did play the dance version an alternative daytime "office" mix. Kinda like Guerilla promotion. We'll sneak in anyway we can. :)

And I, oddly enough, agree that Cascada does stick out on the CHR's that are playing it. And I believe that it's a great thing that it does. It catches peoples ears. But once it does that, it has to deliver something that they want to hear. Otherwise, it's just another one for the junkheap. The record was #1 request for 3 straight weeks on the daytime and nighttime request shows at Z100 early on. That's shows it delivered. :)

jp
 
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