Major KRWV news

[davideduardo]

www.laradio.com reports....

In other CBS/LA radio news, Jhani Kaye takes over the programming reins at KTWV, “The WAVE.” The Smooth Jazz format has been struggling all over the country but Jhani’s new assignment will not only address the declining format in the key demos with a new mix of music, but a contemporary approach to the format.

Demos... new mix... contemporary approach. Gee, doesn't that sound like a gradual flip to soft AC?

 

[Bill Harmonic]

David...I couldn't agree more!

 

[mock3]

I read new mix of music/contemporary approach and figure they'll be playing stuff like So Kylie from Acoustic Alchemy, Quick Canal from Atlas Sound, Sure Thing from St. Germain, and The Look of Love from Sergio Mendes/Fergie. Us younger folk like that sort of stuff.

Soft AC would NOT be a new mix of music.

 

[majaman78]

Soft AC would NOT be a new mix of music.

But in the tiny minds of corporate dolts, it is!!! ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[davideduardo]

I read new mix of music/contemporary approach and figure they'll be playing stuff like So Kylie from Acoustic Alchemy, Quick Canal from Atlas Sound, Sure Thing from St. Germain, and The Look of Love from Sergio Mendes/Fergie. Us younger folk like that sort of stuff.

Soft AC would NOT be a new mix of music.

Sure it would be, for LA. The term was "smooth AC" and that means a bit of Kaye's old KOST formula with perhaps a Kenny G cut thrown in to make it "different" while allowing them to poison the well for KOST, which can not move younger or it will sit on top of sister KBIG.

They sure will not be going to what mike McVay called "songs you never heard by people you never heard of."

 

[AC Tones]

The sooner the better, as far as I am concerned. "The Wave" exists merely in name these days, and is FAR from the station that paved the way for this format in the 1980s as far as innovation and diversity in programming. Why postpone the inevitable? To be honest, I am tired of whining and crying about what is going on with this format on terrestrial radio. WQCD, WNUA, and KKSF are ALL gone. Why should this news be a shock to anyone? Time to take matters into our own hands on the Internet. The music is there, TONS of it, both old and new. My best wishes to the good people of KIFM in San Diego. It does appear you will have to carry the torch for terrestrial radio from here on out.

 

[passtheword]

The sooner the better, as far as I am concerned. "The Wave" exists merely in name these days, and is FAR from the station that paved the way for this format in the 1980s as far as innovation and diversity in programming. Why postpone the inevitable? To be honest, I am tired of whining and crying about what is going on with this format on terrestrial radio. WQCD, WNUA, and KKSF are ALL gone. Why should this news be a shock to anyone? Time to take matters into our own hands on the Internet. The music is there, TONS of it, both old and new. My best wishes to the good people of KIFM in San Diego. It does appear you will have to carry the torch for terrestrial radio from here on out.

Terrestrial gets all that it deserves, as it has repeatedly refused to heed the call from listeners for better programming, smooth jazz or otherwise. My Christmas gift this past year was an internet (wi-fi radio); I don't even listen to terrestrial radio at home anymore. Now, I can hear any type of programming I want. Buy a wi-fi radio, hook that sucker up to your stereo, and you'll never go back to terrestrial...I know I'm not. The .wav sounds great, btw. After a while, you'll almost forget you're listening to a "station" off of the internet. The final step in the conversion to internet radio will happen once it becomes fully mobile.

Unfortunately, smooth jazz is going the same route the beautiful music format took many years ago. All this nonsense about moving smooth jazz to HD2 channels is just the final "nail in the coffin", as those will eventually be yanked, too (remember how all the beautiful music stations got relegated to AM many years ago? How many beautiful music stations can you find on AM now?) Now I can listen to beautiful music, smooth jazz, or anything else I want to hear via the internet. Bye-bye terrestrial.

 

[davideduardo]

...remember how all the beautiful music stations got relegated to AM many years ago? How many beautiful music stations can you find on AM now?) Now I can listen to beautiful music, smooth jazz, or anything else I want to hear via the internet. Bye-bye terrestrial.

Very, very, very few Beautiful Music stations moved or cropped up on AM when they started dying on FM after the mid-80's.

Beautiful Music faded away due to several factors. First, the age of the listneners moved out of the age range advertisers wanted. Second, the production of new material fell off dramatically as it was not selling and the big orchestras were going away. Third, syndicators were doing their own music and it was costly.

There was no way that Beautiful Music could continue on terrestrial radio given the inability to sell to advertisers.

 

[passtheword]

...remember how all the beautiful music stations got relegated to AM many years ago? How many beautiful music stations can you find on AM now?) Now I can listen to beautiful music, smooth jazz, or anything else I want to hear via the internet. Bye-bye terrestrial.

Very, very, very few Beautiful Music stations moved or cropped up on AM when they started dying on FM after the mid-80's.

Beautiful Music faded away due to several factors. First, the age of the listneners moved out of the age range advertisers wanted. Second, the production of new material fell off dramatically as it was not selling and the big orchestras were going away. Third, syndicators were doing their own music and it was costly.

There was no way that Beautiful Music could continue on terrestrial radio given the inability to sell to advertisers.

The point I was trying to make is the process of how the smooth jazz format is being moved to HD2 channels is very similar to the way the beautiful music format was "dumped" on AM. The transition to AM for beautiful music (and the move of smooth jazz to HD channels) was/will be the finale for the respective formats on terrestrial radio. I wasn't really trying to discuss the "why's" of the beautiful music format disappearing on radio. I'm already aware of why all that occurred.

 

[recto101]

Why not rename 94.7 The Wave into 94.7 The Quiet Storm or 94.7 KMET if CBS is really commited to leaving the Smooth Jazz name behind. Look the Name Smooth Jazz have origins in San Francisco at KKSF. The reason Smooth Jazz was used because they wanted to use the playlist KBLX had but in able for KKSF to avoid a Lawsuit by KBLX they used Smooth Jazz instead. Look KKSF was a New Age station in the 1990's before it flipped to Smooth Jazz in 1998 when Ray White now at KDFC came to the KKSF.

 

[davideduardo]

Why not rename 94.7 The Wave into 94.7 The Quiet Storm or 94.7 KMET if CBS is really commited to leaving the Smooth Jazz name behind.

The likely reason is that the station is not going to need either of those names as it morphs to a much more AC presentation and playlist.

 

[NoMoreLurking]

Why not rename 94.7 The Wave into 94.7 The Quiet Storm or 94.7 KMET if CBS is really commited to leaving the Smooth Jazz name behind. Look the Name Smooth Jazz have origins in San Francisco at KKSF. The reason Smooth Jazz was used because they wanted to use the playlist KBLX had but in able for KKSF to avoid a Lawsuit by KBLX they used Smooth Jazz instead. Look KKSF was a New Age station in the 1990's before it flipped to Smooth Jazz in 1998 when Ray White now at KDFC came to the KKSF.

Now there's a post of pure misinformation! (The writer may have a future as a fact-checker for Sarah Palin.....)

Here's the truth: While stations all over the country were calling themselves "Smooth Jazz," KKSF was reluctant to use the term until about 1997. The KKSF playlist may have included some music heard on KBLX but was at least 70% different. KKSF was never a "new age" station, and there was no "flip" to smooth jazz at "the KKSF" in 1998. KKSF avoided giving a name to its musical mix the entire time Steve Feinstein programmed it. The only musical positioner used was "Music without borders." "Smooth jazz" was only used after Feinstein's death, and had more to do with more closely aligning to BA than anything else. KKSF certainly did not originate the term!

 

[AnotherCat]

An aside re Steve Feinstein. I attended my first Gavin Seminar in the mid 80s. I was working CHR at the time but I had been involved with contemporary jazz/NAC for about 10 years, since my college radio-internship days, by then on the other side of the country and in relative obscurity. I was not a big name at all. (I would become one somewhat in the A/C world in the early 90s but consolidation and de-localisation pulled the plug on that one real quick).

Steve was just hanging in the lobby talking to some people I knew so being a little intimidated by him being a "big name" in the format I introduced myself. He was so gracious, welcoming and supportive and we had quite a conversation.

Fast forward to a few years later when another cluster of people had begun to take over the format. They butted in and cut off the people who were speaking on a panel often pointing out that people with other viewpoints were wrong and misinformed. Informally the vibe they put out was "I'm too important to waste my time with you."

That comparison in itself speaks much about the way things ended up 20 years later....