I saw wwoz has a construction permit to go from 4kw to 100kw with a directional antenna. Thats a major upgrade but they make no mention of it, or the timeline for getting there on their website.
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Major upgrade for WWOZ?
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My question is how in the HELL can they get an approval from the FCC for so much power increase? I'm not anyone against the station but I see they are having to go with a extremely deep directional antenna as they have to protect KTLN 90.5 over in Thibodaux as well as about 2 other stations to it's west?
Also my question is, if you could do the same coverage with say 50kw why overspend for a signal unless they are hedging bets that the FCC changes co-channel interference rules in the future?
Fieldtech, curious on your take....
Also my question is, if you could do the same coverage with say 50kw why overspend for a signal unless they are hedging bets that the FCC changes co-channel interference rules in the future?
Fieldtech, curious on your take....
My two cents: in terms of directionality, I've seen worse. Look up WNJN's pencil-beam, vertical-only pattern. There are similar goofy antenna patterns coming soon to locations near us.
Can't say I blame WWOZ for squeezing out as much power as they can, before they get even more hemmed in. Run a scan for all the 90.7 signals in La, including the CP for 33.5 KW over in Pierre Part (see above comment). Now throw in our soupy Gulf-influenced propagation. Sid Levet III (builder of WCKW) used to shake his head at how close the FCC allowed FM stations to be allocated along the Gulf; I wonder what he would think of the current hi-jinks.
An FM directional antenna doesn't require as much input power as a non-DA of the same ERP, as you are not allowed to throw that nulled-out power in a different direction (as you are with a "non"-DA). And they are going from a 3-bay to a 10-bay. Thus they may not need some big honker of a transmitter relative to what they may have now.
The smartest thing they are doing is staying on top of the Tidewater building in the middle of downtown NOLA. Location, location, location. Overall I think it's a good idea for 'OZ, and I congratulate Charles Ellis for some good engineering work.
Can't say I blame WWOZ for squeezing out as much power as they can, before they get even more hemmed in. Run a scan for all the 90.7 signals in La, including the CP for 33.5 KW over in Pierre Part (see above comment). Now throw in our soupy Gulf-influenced propagation. Sid Levet III (builder of WCKW) used to shake his head at how close the FCC allowed FM stations to be allocated along the Gulf; I wonder what he would think of the current hi-jinks.
An FM directional antenna doesn't require as much input power as a non-DA of the same ERP, as you are not allowed to throw that nulled-out power in a different direction (as you are with a "non"-DA). And they are going from a 3-bay to a 10-bay. Thus they may not need some big honker of a transmitter relative to what they may have now.
The smartest thing they are doing is staying on top of the Tidewater building in the middle of downtown NOLA. Location, location, location. Overall I think it's a good idea for 'OZ, and I congratulate Charles Ellis for some good engineering work.
According to the Lat/Long The tower for the upgrade would be on the shorter building next door to the Tidewater building closer to the river
My take is that they want better North Shore coverage. However as with most of the Nola 100kw signals most of that rf is wasted over marshland to the south and lake pontchatrain to the north. IMHO a translator or even a class A station would have been more finacially feasable for a non-com like WWOZ to cover the northshore. They will prob need atleast a 15-20kw tranmitter even with the gain of the cardioid pattern directional antenna, and a ten bay directional antenna is not cheap. Im not sure if they are in HD but that would be even more expense.
According to their fillings and letters to the FCC, K-love 91.1 is causing some signal interference in WWOZ's coverage area. The power increase is to stop it.
Time to practice some black magic and revive a dead thread.
Any updates on WWOZ's upgrade? It was mentioned over on the DX board in a thread about St. Pete area DX so I thought I might as well ask over here if any progress has been made.
I do rather enjoy WWOZ's programming when I'm in town and the HD actually works pretty good downtown unlike some of the other stations, so I hope they retain the HD when they do the upgrade — if they do it at all.
Any updates on WWOZ's upgrade? It was mentioned over on the DX board in a thread about St. Pete area DX so I thought I might as well ask over here if any progress has been made.
I do rather enjoy WWOZ's programming when I'm in town and the HD actually works pretty good downtown unlike some of the other stations, so I hope they retain the HD when they do the upgrade — if they do it at all.
Don't think anything has come of it as it should interfere with KTLN where I am based at and WWOZ still hard to catch on the bayou.. but they have a construction permit until April 2013 to build at their current site listed as on top of Tulane hospital
https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/w...xt=25&appn=101508452&formid=340&fac_num=22659
https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/w...xt=25&appn=101508452&formid=340&fac_num=22659
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But, the fact that the translator is in Baton Rouge, would they give WWOZ override? Isn't that a bit outside of the WWOZ coverage area? Or, can the Translator be shut down even 100 miles away?
mickjagger said:
I think the translator could get shut down no matter how far away it is, if enough listeners file complaints. It happened in Detroit when a translator on a co-channel of a station in Toledo got shut down due to complaints. Nevermind that the Toledo station's signal was marginal in Detroit, but enough listeners squawked that it happened.
Personally, I think the 60 (or 54) dBu contour should be the limit of any protection for stations, but that hasn't won me many friends in the broadcast industry or DX boards.
problem here is signals travel, and actually the translator would probably be moved before anything, but surprised fcc even approved it as it has to seriously null from Houma/Thibodaux due to 200 watt KTLN 90.5, which is flea powered but given class A protection status. As a c3 the seperation would have been short spaced possibly but far enough with no issues (55 miles).. going to a c1 it jumps to (83 miles) for first adjacent and getting close to c1 to c1 co-channel with WATP 90.9 in Laurel,Ms.(needs to be split by 110 miles)
Hell they are screwed with KPEF 90.7 licensed to White Castle as a c2, that's why both stations are supposed to be directional and are actualy shortspaced as it is (98 miles)
So there you have my opinion
Hell they are screwed with KPEF 90.7 licensed to White Castle as a c2, that's why both stations are supposed to be directional and are actualy shortspaced as it is (98 miles)
So there you have my opinion
problem here is signals travel, and actually the translator would probably be moved before anything, but surprised fcc even approved it as it has to seriously null from Houma/Thibodaux due to 200 watt KTLN 90.5, which is flea powered but given class A protection status. As a c3 the seperation would have been short spaced possibly but far enough with no issues (55 miles).. going to a c1 it jumps to (83 miles) for first adjacent and getting close to c1 to c1 co-channel with WATP 90.9 in Laurel,Ms.(needs to be split by 110 miles)
Hell they are screwed with KPEF 90.7 licensed to White Castle as a c2, that's why both stations are supposed to be directional and are actualy shortspaced as it is (98 miles)
So there you have my opinion
Hell they are screwed with KPEF 90.7 licensed to White Castle as a c2, that's why both stations are supposed to be directional and are actualy shortspaced as it is (98 miles)
So there you have my opinion
Still loose OZ signal in Bush. I've been streaming on an old Apple iPhone 3 via Wi Fi, but that can be a pain with battery life. Does anyone know when the new transmitter will be on line?
New signs of life on New Orleans radio with Costello's 80's venue, 94.9's Classic Country which is at least unique in this market. I like much of what comes out of the Northshore's 104.7, especially around drive time evening hours, I actually heard Howling Wolf one evening.
And if only WRNO were still "The Rock of New Orleans". (sigh).
New signs of life on New Orleans radio with Costello's 80's venue, 94.9's Classic Country which is at least unique in this market. I like much of what comes out of the Northshore's 104.7, especially around drive time evening hours, I actually heard Howling Wolf one evening.
And if only WRNO were still "The Rock of New Orleans". (sigh).
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