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Buffalo March Ratings

You’re very intelligent. Older demographics are “ undesirable “ ?
Are you deliberately obtuse? Why do think the corporate groups have almost entirely given up on Oldies formats?
They can't sell it to advertisers. I never said that Oldies formats cannot be successful. It takes certain circumstances. You really have some attitude issues. I would never do business with someone like you...
 
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You're not a country fan. I am. Today's country music is strong 18-34, classic country, with its main focus 1990-2005, appeals to 35-54. Both are solid sales demos.
The station in question 107.7 is not successful. Wouldn't you think they would have tried what you call Classic Country by now? It's a 1 share station...
 
You're not a country fan. I am. Today's country music is strong 18-34, classic country, with its main focus 1990-2005, appeals to 35-54. Both are solid sales demos.
I am the biggest country fan in the country! You are missing the 80’s, which began the progression of “ county western” to “country”

I was fortunate to be on the air at WYRK for ten years from 85-95. This is when the country revolution started. Line dancing, jamborees, and a more diversified country audience that to new artists like Judds, Reba, Randy Travis, Clint Black, Garth, King George, Dwight and others.

Right now, this format would appeal to 55 plus.

There was no better time to be in country radio than this period. Why? Because it was a total listener experience. Inside and outside.

It’s absolutely an older format, but there is niche for it in Buffalo. The best times I ever had in radio were at WYRK. By the way, I did not do sales, I was on-air only.

If I ever did get another station in Buffalo ( You never know), this is the format that needs to be done. On both AM or FM
 
Are you deliberately obtuse? Why do think the corporate groups have almost entirely given up on Oldies formats?
They can't sell it to advertisers. I never said that Oldies formats cannot be successful. It takes certain circumstances. You really have some attitude issues...
‘ They’ are not good enough to sell it. I am. I don’t take my marching orders from “they” if you haven’t noticed. That’s why I am successful
 
The station in question 107.7 is not successful. Wouldn't you think they would have tried what you call Classic Country by now? It's a 1 share station...
I agree with you. They should be doing classic REAL country, but after a multi billion dollar bankruptcy, they seem to have a habit of not making correct decisions
 
It’s absolutely an older format, but there is niche for it in Buffalo.

You worked at Audacy so you can answer this question: Doesn't Audacy already have stations that reach this older demographic? Consequently, don't they have a need for a station that attracts a younger audience? Even if it's a small one? Especially given that KIss isn't attracting what it used to?
 
You worked at Audacy so you can answer this question: Doesn't Audacy already have stations that reach this older demographic? Consequently, don't they have a need for a station that attracts a younger audience? Even if it's a small one? Especially given that KIss isn't attracting what it used to?
WBEN reaches an older audience. It’s a large demo 35+ . It’s on the higher end

I do not think Audacy needs a younger audience, as I do not believe the younger demo listens to radio, unless forced.

When I purchase radio with my Media One ad agency, if the demo was 18-34, I would buy digital only. It’s very targetable . The only demo I use terrestrial radio and linear television for is 50p.
 
No more cut and pasting from me. But I went to the official Nielsen top line site. I selected the Buffalo market. The page comes up. It clearly states Buffalo-Niagara Falls Radio Ratings for Subscribing Stations. Fact! Not opinion! You don’t think Nielsen would have an asterisk if one of the stations listed was not an actual subscriber? My opinion is that it would not.
Remember, there is a threshold for not listing unsubscribed stations in subscriber data (not the public release). If a station has a 0.1 rating (not share) they are listed in the subscriber data. Caveat: Nielsen changes the rules with alarming frequency that I am going to double check that as to its application today.
 
WYRK is playing the same kind of "Country". They seem to do pretty well. A Classic Country format would mean older demographics which are undesirable.
"Older" at an ad agency means "over 55". Most radio buys don't go over that top age in their analysis. It takes a lot of work, such as what Buddy does in Buffalo, to get any kind of advertiser to seek 55+ and, particularly, 65 and olver.

But the "classic country" being programmed today is late 80's to around 2005 or so. That hits 35-54 square on. Remember, country stations in, lets say, 2000, were playing lots of Garth and Randy and others from those earlier years of that 15 to 20 year span, so someone age 40 is going to know every last word of "The Dance".
Maybe you could sell that, but Audacy can't.
Audacy has such big issues that a rimshot FM in Buffalo is not high on their agenda.
The Wolf and the previous Alternative format were supposed to deliver those precious 25-40 year olds. Both were failed Pipe Dreams...
Why do you keep excluding 40-54 in your "sales demos" thinking? Classic Rock, Classic Hits, mainstream AC, Adult Hits, Spanish (language) Adult Hits, Urban AC and a number of other formats depend almost totally or significantly on 40-54 listeners.

Who gave you the idea that 18-39 or 18-34 or whatever are the hottest ad agency target ages?
 
The station in question 107.7 is not successful. Wouldn't you think they would have tried what you call Classic Country by now? It's a 1 share station...
It's a station whose OTA signal is not strong enough where most of the MSA population lives. Again, in this often-recurring argument, we are forgetting that even with streaming, the core audience for an FM station is OTA.
 
I was fortunate to be on the air at WYRK for ten years from 85-95. This is when the country revolution started. Line dancing, jamborees, and a more diversified country audience that to new artists like Judds, Reba, Randy Travis, Clint Black, Garth, King George, Dwight and others.

Right now, this format would appeal to 55 plus.
A country listener in 2005 was hearing gold from Travis, Strait, Brooks, Black and the rest so it is very familiar. I'd say that a library with 1988-2008 as its general range would do well in 40-54 as well as a lot of 55 and over.

Fairly recently, I was at one of Dwight's shows at a big local casino showroom, and I was quite surprised to see lots of folks in their 30's there, all of them singing along with Streets of Bakersfield and Guitars & Cadillacs.
There was no better time to be in country radio than this period. Why? Because it was a total listener experience. Inside and outside.
I agree. I was in charge of WTNT in Tallahassee in that era, and between Garth and the Seminoles, that was probably the most fun I had in radio in a long time.

As to the format, I'd never listen to an AM playing that music. And if the music went back to Dolly and Kenny Rogers, I would not listen on either band. Might as well play Tompall and the Glaser Brothers!
 
Audacy has such big issues that a rimshot FM in Buffalo is not high on their agenda.

Why do you keep excluding 40-54 in your "sales demos" thinking? Classic Rock, Classic Hits, mainstream AC, Adult Hits, Spanish (language) Adult Hits, Urban AC and a number of other formats depend almost totally or significantly on 40-54 listeners.

Who gave you the idea that 18-39 or 18-34 or whatever are the hottest ad agency target ages?
I'm not excluding anything. The last 2 formats on 107.7 have failed to reach anyone between 18--50. The formats didn't work. Why do think that AAA is a format that only reaches 55 and over folks? Your logic is faulty. You say a 40 year old will listen to Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd or Madonna. However, they won't listen to any Rock music made in the last 25 years. It's no wonder that Radio is irrelevant to so many people...
 
I'm not excluding anything. The last 2 formats on 107.7 have failed to reach anyone between 18--50.
Again, signal. It's not a good competitive signal. Even with streaming, unless it does something that will make people look for the stream, it is simply a rimshot on the edge of two markets, serving neither particularly well.
The formats didn't work. Why do think that AAA is a format that only reaches 55 and over folks? Your logic is faulty. You say a 40 year old will listen to Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd or Madonna.
Because that music has remained or become relevant to several generations, while some other kinds of music have the lifetime of a single generation or less.

An example is dance, which had a radio lifespan of about half a decade in the U.S. (Except for Y:M:C.A.) yet is very much alive in many parts of Europe and even Mexico City! But even in that music, the styles have changed so much, each with a name I have successfully managed to forget, so it's a genre that evolves while leaving some fans behind.
However, they won't listen to any Rock music made in the last 25 years. It's no wonder that Radio is irrelevant to so many people...
Alternative is not a format and not a "kind of music". It is, over the last roughly 45 to 50 years (let's use the emergence of World Famous KROQ" as a benchmark), an amalgamation of tastes and trends.

There is another thread here which discusses how many successful commercial Alternative stations there are, and the take-away is that each of the successful... or surviving... such stations is different and nearly all have a heritage of decades in their particular market.
 
It's a station whose OTA signal is not strong enough where most of the MSA population lives. Again, in this often-recurring argument, we are forgetting that even with streaming, the core audience for an FM station is OTA.
Actually, with the 104.7 translator in addition to 107.7, the signal is quite good in the "money" population areas. I'm in the market, so I have real knowledge of the signal, not just maps on the internet.
 
Remember, there is a threshold for not listing unsubscribed stations in subscriber data (not the public release). If a station has a 0.1 rating (not share) they are listed in the subscriber data. Caveat: Nielsen changes the rules with alarming frequency that I am going to double check that as to its application today.
Thank you for your response, David. I think we’re getting into the weeds here. I now understand some stations might not garner enough of an audience to be listed in subscriber data. But Buddy confirmed such stations as WUFO and WXRL have been listed. Moreover, Buddy’s post about Nielsen’s Subscriber First policy validates what I had been trying to say in recent days. But Big A refused to accept any of my posts. He argued both of us were simply stating opinions. Review this thread, please! Some of his responses in this thread certainly indicated he was stating facts and that there was no room for debate. Can we all agree now that EMF subscribed to the March Buffalo-Niagara Falls report? I mean, the top line number for our region published by Nielsen clearly states “subscribing stations only.” I think a judge in a court of law would rule that’s pretty good evidence.

The Buffalo-Niagara Falls board on Radiodiscussions used to be vibrant. There were posts every day. Now, a couple of weeks can go by without a post. Perhaps, that’s because some former contributors to this board were fed up by posters like Big A and have left. I’m tempted to delete the bookmark for this board because I don’t need the aggravation. I’m not alone. I’ve seen Big A mix it up with several people on this board over the years — most recently with Buddy, who in his passion and clearly exasperated, lashed out at Big A with an expletive that earned him a warning from the moderators.

I’ve had my disagreements with Buddy. But he’s local. He’s had incredible success with WECK. He knows more about this market than Big A. Listen, I’m not saying Big A shouldn’t have the right to post. But does he always need to get in the last word? Even after he said he was done with me in this thread he just had to respond to my last post. And I’m sure he’ll to it here…in 3, 2, 1…

Okay, I engaged in some snark here. But if you’ve reviewed my posts over the years, I would hope you found I was trying to remain respectful. I don’t engage in name calling. I’m speaking from my heart. In doing so here by calling out Big A, perhaps I’m violating your policy of getting personal. If so, then banish me. But you’ll be losing yet another Buffalo radio enthusiast who just wants to enjoy a discussion about Buffalo radio without being belittled by someone from out of town who thinks he knows more than anyone else.

As one Buffalo broadcaster likes to say after his posts, “Nuff said.”
 
A country listener in 2005 was hearing gold from Travis, Strait, Brooks, Black and the rest so it is very familiar. I'd say that a library with 1988-2008 as its general range would do well in 40-54 as well as a lot of 55 and over.

Fairly recently, I was at one of Dwight's shows at a big local casino showroom, and I was quite surprised to see lots of folks in their 30's there, all of them singing along with Streets of Bakersfield and Guitars & Cadillacs.

I agree. I was in charge of WTNT in Tallahassee in that era, and between Garth and the Seminoles, that was probably the most fun I had in radio in a long time.

As to the format, I'd never listen to an AM playing that music. And if the music went back to Dolly and Kenny Rogers, I would not listen on either band. Might as well play Tompall and the Glaser Brothers!
I disagree. In 2005, country radio had far left Randy, Clint, Judds, behind. Just look to the billboard charts.

George Strait is coming to the stadium in Buffalo in June, and ticket sales are so bad, the show was almost canceled
 
Thank you for your response, David. I think we’re getting into the weeds here. I now understand some stations might not garner enough of an audience to be listed in subscriber data. But Buddy confirmed such stations as WUFO and WXRL have been listed. Moreover, Buddy’s post about Nielsen’s Subscriber First policy validates what I had been trying to say in recent days. But Big A refused to accept any of my posts. He argued both of us were simply stating opinions. Review this thread, please! Some of his responses in this thread certainly indicated he was stating facts and that there was no room for debate. Can we all agree now that EMF subscribed to the March Buffalo-Niagara Falls report? I mean, the top line number for our region published by Nielsen clearly states “subscribing stations only.” I think a judge in a court of law would rule that’s pretty good evidence.

The Buffalo-Niagara Falls board on Radiodiscussions used to be vibrant. There were posts every day. Now, a couple of weeks can go by without a post. Perhaps, that’s because some former contributors to this board were fed up by posters like Big A and have left. I’m tempted to delete the bookmark for this board because I don’t need the aggravation. I’m not alone. I’ve seen Big A mix it up with several people on this board over the years — most recently with Buddy, who in his passion and clearly exasperated, lashed out at Big A with an expletive that earned him a warning from the moderators.

I’ve had my disagreements with Buddy. But he’s local. He’s had incredible success with WECK. He knows more about this market than Big A. Listen, I’m not saying Big A shouldn’t have the right to post. But does he always need to get in the last word? Even after he said he was done with me in this thread he just had to respond to my last post. And I’m sure he’ll to it here…in 3, 2, 1…

Okay, I engaged in some snark here. But if you’ve reviewed my posts over the years, I would hope you found I was trying to remain respectful. I don’t engage in name calling. I’m speaking from my heart. In doing so here by calling out Big A, perhaps I’m violating your policy of getting personal. If so, then banish me. But you’ll be losing yet another Buffalo radio enthusiast who just wants to enjoy a discussion about Buffalo radio without being belittled by someone from out of town who thinks he knows more than anyone else.

As one Buffalo broadcaster likes to say after his posts, “Nuff said.”
You’re missing another gem t-bolt whose only job is to tell everyone they are wrong. Don’t believe me? Go back to his posts from May 2017 and you can see for yourself how wrong he was about the future of WECK. Wrong on every count.

Immediately after my purchase of the station was announced his first post and every post over the past have been negative and just plain wrong.
 
Actually, with the 104.7 translator in addition to 107.7, the signal is quite good in the "money" population areas. I'm in the market, so I have real knowledge of the signal, not just maps on the internet.
If you look at the translator's 70 mV/m contour, it is not as significant as you seem to believe. It's still a rimshot.
 
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