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MARK DAVIS LEAVING WBAP

dismuke said:
And speaking of Cumulus, the very first caller to the Huckabee program that they are so eager to push turned out to be a staged caller - none other than Cumulus Vice President Mike McVay who called in as "Mike From San Francisco" mere seconds after the call in number was announced for the very first time. See: http://spectator.org/archives/2012/04/10/huckabee-show-opens-with-stage
Staged callers are the norm. Remember the bad press about Premiere Radio Networks (Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity syndicator) a year or so ago when details of its "On Call" service came out? http://www.cjr.org/the_kicker/premiere_plants.php . I'm not justifying this activity, and I think it's dead wrong...but it does exist. Remember when the story broke about paid actors lined the studio audience for that God-awful "Dr. Laura" TV show?

It's bad enough being fed opinions under the guise of "entertainment," but to reinforce those and legitimize them by planting a supportive caller--I can't see that it's much different than rigging quiz shows or doing "pay for play" or getting spoon-fed 'talking points' and other news-planting from a former president, etc. It's all deception, and if we were ALL smart enough to see through it, it wouldn't exist.
 
On staged calls on talk shows, we used station employees on Q&A programs to direct the focus of a show. For example, if the Q&A was with a CPA, for example, and his expertise wass small business, we would have the first caller, our staged call, ask a question on small business. Then listeners would generally ask small business questions for a while. We used it as a tool to offer the direction we wanred to go on the show.
 
What with Cumulus's move toward syndicated shows, I'm wondering what the odds are that IF Mark Davis is off for good, Cumulus will fill his slot with Geraldo Rivera. They're syndicating him out of WABC. His show is 2 hours, the same 2 hours as Mark's shift. Do you think it's more or less likely they would go to a syndicated show rather than a local show?
 
MikeShannon914 said:
It's bad enough being fed opinions under the guise of "entertainment," but to reinforce those and legitimize them by planting a supportive caller--I can't see that it's much different than rigging quiz shows or doing "pay for play" or getting spoon-fed 'talking points' and other news-planting from a former president, etc. It's all deception, and if we were ALL smart enough to see through it, it wouldn't exist.
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Don't forget to mention news-planting from a CURRENT president! Of course, for the most part they just plant it on their own for him. ;-)
 
MikeShannon914 said:
I'm not justifying this activity, and I think it's dead wrong...but it does exist. Remember when the story broke about paid actors lined the studio audience for that God-awful "Dr. Laura" TV show?

It's bad enough being fed opinions under the guise of "entertainment," but to reinforce those and legitimize them by planting a supportive caller--I can't see that it's much different than rigging quiz shows or doing "pay for play" or getting spoon-fed 'talking points' and other news-planting from a former president, etc. It's all deception, and if we were ALL smart enough to see through it, it wouldn't exist.

My take is the propriety of staged calls depends in large part on what they are designed to accomplish. Is the purpose to further the conversation or introduce new topics for the host to respond to? Or is the purpose some form of deception or dishonesty?

As an example of what I would consider to be an acceptable staged call: suppose some loud but small time politician publicly accuses a local talk show host of being mean to puppy dogs and eating babies for breakfast. And let's suppose that the talk show host does not wish to dignify or to be perceived as elevating the politician's stature by raising the subject of remarks himself. But he does, nevertheless, wish to respond. In that situation I think it would be entirely appropriate to have someone call in and raise the subject rather that merely hoping someone calls in on their own, which may or may not happen.

I can also see that there might be occasions when a host might want to discuss a certain issue and would think the show would flow better if he could do so in the context of a caller's comment or question rather than initiating the point himself.

In neither example is there any sort of dishonesty or hidden motive.

But in the case of Cumulus and the Huckabee program, there was a certain amount of deception and dishonesty. That staged call could actually be looked at as a variant of "astro turfing" - i.e., falsely creating the appearance of a spontaneous expression of popular sentiment when, in fact, the whole thing is contrived and staged by a handful of operatives. The purpose of the call was to put forth the illusion that there just happens to be some ordinary random bloke on the street eager to call in and whose pent up opinions just so happen to mirror and amplify the anti-Rush, anti-conservative talk radio talking points that Cumulus has been peddling over the past few weeks. The purpose of the call was to implicitly plant in the minds of listeners - and, more importantly, members of the media covering that first broadcast - the impression that maybe the execs at Cumulus are on to something, that maybe they have discovered and tapped into a popular discontent that nobody was previously able to see.

I am sorry but that is deceptive and it is dishonest. I can think of a lot worse forms of deception and dishonesty in this world - but that doesn't change the fact that it is dishonest. And I find it very difficult to imagine that Huckabee was not aware that it was going to happen and was not fully complicit in it. I don't think it should be in any way illegal. But I do agree with Mike Shannon in that if enough people see though it, it wouldn't exist. And that is why I think is a good thing that they got caught and were exposed.
 

Don't forget to mention news-planting from a CURRENT president! Of course, for the most part they just plant it on their own for him. ;-)
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Jeff Gannon and Armstrong Williams being good examples of the practice.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
Remember when the story broke about paid actors lined the studio audience for that God-awful "Dr. Laura" TV show?

I would have to be paid to sit in Dr. Laura's audience. ;D

Back to the point. Glad the planted caller to Huckabee was exposed.
 
Staged calls are called "Interviews".

Faking calls for effect is plain dishonesty...

(Sorry Mike.)

J-D
TWR
 
Well, perhaps Cumulus can round up a whole bunch of staff at the corporate offices to phone the WBAP call-in line, say they are from some random Metroplex community and gush on the air about how thrilled they are that they now get to listen to Ben Ferguson and Chris Krok.
 
I gotta be honest. I find Krok to be quite compelling. I haven't even cared this past week that I can't hear Rusty Humphries (who, frankly, while I love his show, has become a bit repetitious due to re-playing of previous hours, etc.) on KLIF. It used to be that as soon as Mark Levin was off, I switched over to KLIF for Rusty (could never get into Laura since she's a morning show and WBAP had her on at night, after a full day's news events had occurred). Then I'd come back for an hour of John Batchelor at 11pm. Then back to KLIF for Coast to Coast (which I really can't stand for the most part, but hey, it was something).

As much as I love John Batchelor, I haven't been tuning over to KLIF to hear him instead of Krok! And with the absence of Coast to Coast, I've been listening to Red Eye Radio on WBAP, which has always been at least interesting enough to keep on in the background while I go about my nightly work. So WBAP has managed to keep me on their station all day now. Not a bad little bit of maneuvering. Yes, I know Batchelor is replayed at midnight on KLIF, but I guess I'm just taking a break, because he is more of a cerebral listen about several topics, and sometimes I'm just in the mood for all current events.

Since they ditched the usual morning guy on KLIF, I have been keeping it on WBAP basically all day now. Who knows how representative I am of the typical listener, but they have managed to make an "all WBAP all the time" guy here, probably completely by accident, admittedly. ;-)

By the way, I carry a small radio with me when I'm out in the world, so basically, I'm ALWAYS listening to talk radio, on in-ear phones or otherwise. Even if I'm not listening closely, it's always on because I need the distraction, I guess.

M
 
First: Even though my political beliefs are opposite of Mark's, I hate seeing anyone lose a gig in the business, especially dealing w/ Cumulus. Here's hoping he rebounds like Adam Carolla and starts a daily/weekly podcast, it could be a very zesty enterprise for him..

Second: The political climate is changing in this country, people are tied of hearing "crazy wingnuts" on both sides banging the gavel. Even though I tilt middle-left, I like to be entertained and informed from other points of view, its why I listen to stations outside the market, in particular to KFI 640 in Los Angeles (Tim Conway Jr, Kennedy, Lisa Ann Walter), as they're engaging AND informed, even if I disagree at times with them.

If WBAP is going to survive into a century of broadcasting, they're going to have to change their game plan, one suggestion would be to dump their syndicated programming and go w/a full line-up of live and local 24/7..
 
chrisdanger said:
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Second: The political climate is changing in this country, people are tied of hearing "crazy wingnuts" on both sides banging the gavel. Even though I tilt middle-left, I like to be entertained and informed from other points of view, its why I listen to stations outside the market, in particular to KFI 640 in Los Angeles (Tim Conway Jr, Kennedy, Lisa Ann Walter), as they're engaging AND informed, even if I disagree at times with them.

I think the difficulty of this is that one man's "crazy wingnut" is another man's voice of sanity.

As for the political climate, any change that is going on is in the direction of what some refer to as "polarization," i.e., the distinction between different sides becoming sharper and more consistent. I think you will see that this is the case both among those who identify with the Right and with the Left.

Sure, there are many millions of people "in the middle." But these are mostly people who do not pay all that much attention to politics or who, for various reasons, have a personal discomfort forming strong definite opinions or who have a fear of forming opinions which might be unpopular with others. Those people "in the middle" can be very relevant when it comes to swinging elections and, for obvious reasons, politicians on both sides of the aisle spend a great deal of time trying to pander to them. But when it comes to the flow of ideas and setting the ideological direction of the major political parties such people are utterly irrelevant. And while some of these people might tune in to opinion programing, an opinion show host who falls in this category would be worse than useless.

A host of an opinion show who is a afraid to take a firm position on an issue or to reveal his ideological underpinnings out of fear that he might offend or alienate or be demonized by certain people.....well, that makes for boring radio. And a host who is a wishy washy pragmatist type whose position on one day is contradicted by his position on another topic another day - in the long run, it becomes a train wreck. Such a person might be good at hosting a non-opinion political show or a non political talk show. But an opinion host needs to have some sort of very clear ideological "core" that listeners can easily pick up on. If you are in the business of offering opinions you have to stand for something and not be a bag of mush.

That is why I am very doubtful that the Huckabee program is going to siphon off a significant percentage of Rush's audience in the way that Cumulus has been spinning. If you really boil down to its essentials how Cumulus has been plugging the Huckabee program, according to them, the program's primary appeal is that Huckabee is NOT Rush Limbaugh. But if you really do not like Rush Limbaugh, chances are pretty good that you are not listening to him in the first place. You are probably not tuning in while secretly hoping for some mild mannered, wishy washy (i.e. "less strident") milquetoast to come along - especially not a wishy washy right of center milquetoast. Even if you dislike Rush, the mere fact that Huckabee is not Rush Limbaugh does NOT constitute a reason FOR listening to Huckabee. Huckabee may or may not draw in some audience from those who currently do not listen to talk radio. But, if he does, that would indirectly work to benefit Rush and every other talk host - a rising tide raises all boats.

As for Sandra Fluke, it would be a valid concern about the viability of Rush's audience if the outrage was actually coming from his core audience. But it isn't - it was largely ginned up by a campaign already planned and ready to use at the right time by his ideological enemies at Media Matters and was picked up by individuals of a similar mindset who already hate Limbaugh and most likely do not listen to his program. The same goes for the heat that Bill Maher is getting for his, arguably, far worse comments. The heat is not coming from people who watch and enjoy Bill Maher's program - it is coming from those on the Right who probably rarely if ever watch Maher but are outraged at the double standard that is applied to Limbaugh but not other commentators.

Cumulus has tried to use the Media Matters intimidation campaign against Rush's advertisers to its advantage in order to plug the Huckabee program. But that is very short sighted and self-defeating on their part. Several of the companies that dropped advertisements on Rush's program in order to appease those who lean Left (and most likely never hear the ads in the first place) found themselves having to deal with an even larger backlash from offended listeners on the Right who actually became paying customers as a result of the ads. Such a situation puts advertisers in a damned if you do, damned if you don't position. If such campaigns to intimidate advertisers takes hold, it will not merely impact the Limbaugh program but will make advertisers reluctant to run ads on any radio or television program, Right, Left or otherwise that has content which might be in any way controversial in certain quarters. If so, then Cumulus's precious Huckabee program will most likely go down along with everybody else's. The Media Matters types would be perfectly happy with such an outcome because it would create a sort of de facto return to Fairness Doctrine type censorship that they have failed to reinstate on multiple attempts through the legislative process. They think that doing so will somehow magically put the genie back in the bottle and bring a return to a world where their ideological opponents were almost totally invisible in widely available mass media. But that is not what will happen - it isn't 1972. All that will accomplish is drive controversial and engaging content and their audiences to the Internet and only hasten the decline of old time traditional media outlets - outlets in which Cumulus is heavily invested.

I keep reading that the audience for conservative talk radio is diminishing and the format is in decline. Unfortunately, I am not in a position of knowing whether this is mostly an assertion of wishful thinking being pushed as fact on the parts of Cumulus and others such as Media Matters or whether there might be some actual validity to it. But if there is validity to it, my take is the decline is NOT because there is some latent demand for "non strident" milquetoast radio or because opinion from the Right is suddenly becoming passé. If there is a decline, it is because of the Internet and because there are now so many outlets for the sort of news, information and opinion that, at one time, could only be found on talk radio. Rush's popularity and the popularity of conservative talk radio was fueled by two factors: 1) he gave voice to opinions and perspectives held by millions and millions of people in this country that had previously been almost completely invisible in the mass media and 2) he covered news stories that the mainstream media either refused to cover or, if they did cover, tended to obscure by burying in places such as the final paragraph of a story on page 36-D in the New York Times. I remember a period of time in the 1990s when a number of people I know commented about how pathetic the news media was in that they had to listen to Rush Limbaugh as a news source in order to be fully informed.

Today, that is no longer the case. Those who used to turn to talk radio for news, information and opinion have more outlets available to them online than they probably have time to keep up with. For example, Google Reader feeds me headlines from all sorts of blogs and news sites. If a headline looks interesting, I can click on it and read the content, often without even having to visit the original web page. Anymore, when I tune into programs such as Mark Davis, Rush Limbaugh, etc., they are very frequently bringing up and discussing stories that I already know about and from the exact same sources I read a few hours earlier through my Google Reader news feed. Of course, each host is very talented and has their own unique take on such stories - so I do enjoy listening to them talk about it. But if I go for a week without listening to talk radio, I no longer feel as out of touch of having a full perspective of what is going on in national politics the way I would have in the 1990s. And, for that reason, I don't go out of my way to listen to talk radio the way that I once did - and I suspect that there are others in the same boat.

If talk radio is in decline it is not because of conservatives such as Limbaugh. If there is such a decline, it is for similar reasons that there has been a decline in newspapers and network newscasts. Their decline is not indicative of a decline in demand for news but rather because there are many other options which are more convenient or less restrictive in format. Those who value having a conservative point of view have more options today - and that could very well have an impact on talk radio. (On the other hand, if someone is creative enough, the growth of conservative Internet sites could also be used to bring in new listeners to talk radio).
 
chrisdanger said:
If WBAP is going to survive into a century of broadcasting, they're going to have to change their game plan, one suggestion would be to dump their syndicated programming and go w/a full line-up of live and local 24/7..

What you say here is undoubtedly true. But the question is: when? I am not sure we are at that point yet.

Most people still do not have the comfort level that you or I have in terms of listening to programming on the Internet or through podcasts. And even I don't listen to it as much as I would otherwise be inclined to because of the hassle of plugging in my smart phone when I drive. Plus data plans are still expensive and Internet radio can be a pain when moving between cells and different coverage areas. Terrestrial radio may be old school - but, at least for a few more years, it is still the quickest, easiest and least expensive way to tune into programming.

Long term - yes. The value of local stations such as WBAP for programs with a national audience such as Limbaugh's will diminish. If it is just as easy to tune into Limbaugh from a website as it is from WBAP - why do you even need WBAP where you are only able to listen to the program if you happen to be by the radio from 11:00 AM to 2:00 PM? Much more convenient to tune in on demand whenever you like - and be able to pause if you need to run into a store or something.

At some point, it will be like what is happening with newspapers and local television news. Today, local newspapers and local television stations are almost useless in terms of adequately covering national and international news. If you reply on The Dallas Morning News or one of the local television stations for national and international news, you are NOT well informed (which may well be fine for those who aren't particularly interested). On the other hand, you would have a very difficult time being well informed about what is going on in the Metroplex if you didn't read The Dallas Morning News or watch local television news.

Eventually, it will get to the point that if you have a host who is talented at discussing national issues, it would make no sense at all limiting that host's potential audience to some local market.

But until wireless Internet becomes more ubiquitous and affordable, terrestrial radio remains a relevant source for national programing.

My strong guess - and that is all that it is as I have no statistics to back this up - is there is a much larger level of interest in talk radio discussion of national issues than there is of local issues. One thing I base that on is election turn out. Elections that are strictly for local level offices typically have amazingly low turnout. And I think the Dallas/Fort Worth area probably has a bit less interest in local issues than other parts of the country because so many people who live here are fairly new to the area. Also so much of what would classify as "local news" to some in our area might as well be out of town news to others in the area. How many people who live in Fort Worth or Southlake or McKinney have all that much interest in the squabbles that take place in the Dallas City Council or the various controversies with the DISD? And if you are a transplant to the area and live in Uptown Dallas, the names of places such as Haltom City, White Settlement and Duncanville and what goes on in such places is probably about as familiar and relevant to you as what goes on in the suburbs of Oklahoma City.

I suspect all of these factors create a certain limit on the demand for strictly local talk and on the scope of what topics can be discussed. As evidence, I will point out that while Mark Davis does discuss local issues, he also spends a great amount of time talking about national issues. If there really was a huge demand for strictly local talk, then I would think that the program that, for many years, was the only local show on WBAP, would not have devoted so much time to discussion of the same issues that one can count on Limbaugh and Hannity talking about in the hours ahead.

But once on-demand and Internet programing becomes as easy to access as terrestrial radio - then, yes, as with newspapers and television, local programing is going to be one way for stations to remain relevant, albeit with smaller audiences. And perhaps the quest for local relevance might even get to the point where things return to the days where if you want to hear what is going on in Dallas you will tune into KRLD but tune into WBAP to know what is going on in Fort Worth.
 
Regarding staged calls, I would agree that they're disingenuous and/or deceptive. However, I have to admit I'll always favor a coherent, focused caller over a rambler, pauser, shouter, or heavy breather with screaming kids, barking dogs, or road noise behind him/her.

Of course, you may have noticed from my previous posts that I have a bit of a sensitive ear -- I can't stand Hal Jay's blubbery voice or Dr. Laura's smacky dry mouth, either. And to take this back to the original topic, that's another thing I'll miss about Mark Davis. For the most part he was refreshingly free of mouth noises and vocal tics. It's the little things, I guess.
 
dismuke said:
chrisdanger said:
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Second: The political climate is changing in this country, people are tied of hearing "crazy wingnuts" on both sides banging the gavel. Even though I tilt middle-left, I like to be entertained and informed from other points of view, its why I listen to stations outside the market, in particular to KFI 640 in Los Angeles (Tim Conway Jr, Kennedy, Lisa Ann Walter), as they're engaging AND informed, even if I disagree at times with them.

I think the difficulty of this is that one man's "crazy wingnut" is another man's voice of sanity.

As for the political climate, any change that is going on is in the direction of what some refer to as "polarization," i.e., the distinction between different sides becoming sharper and more consistent. I think you will see that this is the case both among those who identify with the Right and with the Left.

Sure, there are many millions of people "in the middle." But these are mostly people who do not pay all that much attention to politics or who, for various reasons, have a personal discomfort forming strong definite opinions or who have a fear of forming opinions which might be unpopular with others. Those people "in the middle" can be very relevant when it comes to swinging elections and, for obvious reasons, politicians on both sides of the aisle spend a great deal of time trying to pander to them. But when it comes to the flow of ideas and setting the ideological direction of the major political parties such people are utterly irrelevant. And while some of these people might tune in to opinion programing, an opinion show host who falls in this category would be worse than useless.

A host of an opinion show who is a afraid to take a firm position on an issue or to reveal his ideological underpinnings out of fear that he might offend or alienate or be demonized by certain people.....well, that makes for boring radio. And a host who is a wishy washy pragmatist type whose position on one day is contradicted by his position on another topic another day - in the long run, it becomes a train wreck. Such a person might be good at hosting a non-opinion political show or a non political talk show. But an opinion host needs to have some sort of very clear ideological "core" that listeners can easily pick up on. If you are in the business of offering opinions you have to stand for something and not be a bag of mush.

That is why I am very doubtful that the Huckabee program is going to siphon off a significant percentage of Rush's audience in the way that Cumulus has been spinning. If you really boil down to its essentials how Cumulus has been plugging the Huckabee program, according to them, the program's primary appeal is that Huckabee is NOT Rush Limbaugh. But if you really do not like Rush Limbaugh, chances are pretty good that you are not listening to him in the first place. You are probably not tuning in while secretly hoping for some mild mannered, wishy washy (i.e. "less strident") milquetoast to come along - especially not a wishy washy right of center milquetoast. Even if you dislike Rush, the mere fact that Huckabee is not Rush Limbaugh does NOT constitute a reason FOR listening to Huckabee. Huckabee may or may not draw in some audience from those who currently do not listen to talk radio. But, if he does, that would indirectly work to benefit Rush and every other talk host - a rising tide raises all boats.

As for Sandra Fluke, it would be a valid concern about the viability of Rush's audience if the outrage was actually coming from his core audience. But it isn't - it was largely ginned up by a campaign already planned and ready to use at the right time by his ideological enemies at Media Matters and was picked up by individuals of a similar mindset who already hate Limbaugh and most likely do not listen to his program. The same goes for the heat that Bill Maher is getting for his, arguably, far worse comments. The heat is not coming from people who watch and enjoy Bill Maher's program - it is coming from those on the Right who probably rarely if ever watch Maher but are outraged at the double standard that is applied to Limbaugh but not other commentators.

Cumulus has tried to use the Media Matters intimidation campaign against Rush's advertisers to its advantage in order to plug the Huckabee program. But that is very short sighted and self-defeating on their part. Several of the companies that dropped advertisements on Rush's program in order to appease those who lean Left (and most likely never hear the ads in the first place) found themselves having to deal with an even larger backlash from offended listeners on the Right who actually became paying customers as a result of the ads. Such a situation puts advertisers in a damned if you do, damned if you don't position. If such campaigns to intimidate advertisers takes hold, it will not merely impact the Limbaugh program but will make advertisers reluctant to run ads on any radio or television program, Right, Left or otherwise that has content which might be in any way controversial in certain quarters. If so, then Cumulus's precious Huckabee program will most likely go down along with everybody else's. The Media Matters types would be perfectly happy with such an outcome because it would create a sort of de facto return to Fairness Doctrine type censorship that they have failed to reinstate on multiple attempts through the legislative process. They think that doing so will somehow magically put the genie back in the bottle and bring a return to a world where their ideological opponents were almost totally invisible in widely available mass media. But that is not what will happen - it isn't 1972. All that will accomplish is drive controversial and engaging content and their audiences to the Internet and only hasten the decline of old time traditional media outlets - outlets in which Cumulus is heavily invested.

I keep reading that the audience for conservative talk radio is diminishing and the format is in decline. Unfortunately, I am not in a position of knowing whether this is mostly an assertion of wishful thinking being pushed as fact on the parts of Cumulus and others such as Media Matters or whether there might be some actual validity to it. But if there is validity to it, my take is the decline is NOT because there is some latent demand for "non strident" milquetoast radio or because opinion from the Right is suddenly becoming passé. If there is a decline, it is because of the Internet and because there are now so many outlets for the sort of news, information and opinion that, at one time, could only be found on talk radio. Rush's popularity and the popularity of conservative talk radio was fueled by two factors: 1) he gave voice to opinions and perspectives held by millions and millions of people in this country that had previously been almost completely invisible in the mass media and 2) he covered news stories that the mainstream media either refused to cover or, if they did cover, tended to obscure by burying in places such as the final paragraph of a story on page 36-D in the New York Times. I remember a period of time in the 1990s when a number of people I know commented about how pathetic the news media was in that they had to listen to Rush Limbaugh as a news source in order to be fully informed.

Today, that is no longer the case. Those who used to turn to talk radio for news, information and opinion have more outlets available to them online than they probably have time to keep up with. For example, Google Reader feeds me headlines from all sorts of blogs and news sites. If a headline looks interesting, I can click on it and read the content, often without even having to visit the original web page. Anymore, when I tune into programs such as Mark Davis, Rush Limbaugh, etc., they are very frequently bringing up and discussing stories that I already know about and from the exact same sources I read a few hours earlier through my Google Reader news feed. Of course, each host is very talented and has their own unique take on such stories - so I do enjoy listening to them talk about it. But if I go for a week without listening to talk radio, I no longer feel as out of touch of having a full perspective of what is going on in national politics the way I would have in the 1990s. And, for that reason, I don't go out of my way to listen to talk radio the way that I once did - and I suspect that there are others in the same boat.

If talk radio is in decline it is not because of conservatives such as Limbaugh. If there is such a decline, it is for similar reasons that there has been a decline in newspapers and network newscasts. Their decline is not indicative of a decline in demand for news but rather because there are many other options which are more convenient or less restrictive in format. Those who value having a conservative point of view have more options today - and that could very well have an impact on talk radio. (On the other hand, if someone is creative enough, the growth of conservative Internet sites could also be used to bring in new listeners to talk radio).

Excellent analysis. Thanks for taking the time to write it.
 
Seems this has veered off topic quite a bit.. but it's pretty clear to me that Cumulus was looking to cut costs to boost margins at WBAP.
I suspect they'll cut costs and keep the margin about the same. The overall quality of WBAP is a lot less without Mark.
Regardless of what you think of his politics, the man knows how to engage the listeners in a lively discussion. The replacement in the 8-11 spot is just not nearly as good.
 
Like I said prev, WBAP is going to have to re-invent itsself to make it to the century mark. Instead of relying on the 55+ wingnut audience as they do now, they're going to have to engage everyone..I think the KFI model is a good example of what they need to aim for, which is to say a mix of entertaining locaL conservative and progressive programming on most weekday/weekend parts(i.e. no bomb throwers). Another suggestion is to actually use social media to engage their audiences, which is next to nil at the present, and thats just plain sad for a legacy station...

WBAP, in may ways, reminds me of the older socialite woman, who used her good looks to get by for years, when her beauty fades, so does the attention, thats whats happening at the mighty 820 right now...its time for an overdue face lift...
 
Word on the street: Davis has about 45 days to show Cumulus a better offer than they gave him and let them match it or take the offer they have left on the table for him and stay on WBAP.
 
From the way Mark's statement sounded last week, he had rinsed his hands of them...I have a feeling Mr. Davis is going the sponsored podcast route anyways, theres more money to be made..
 
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