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MARK DAVIS LEAVING WBAP

Cumulus has screwed up a major radio cluster in this market. Instead of acting like a top 5 market, they're a bush-league group of people who program on the cheap like a small market..Im shocked their bunk mates at KSCS, The Wolf, I93 and The Ticket haven't been given the shaft as of yet. I wouldn't be surprised if those stations boot on-air talent as their contracts come up..
 
chrisdanger said:
Cumulus has screwed up a major radio cluster in this market. Instead of acting like a top 5 market, they're a bush-league group of people who program on the cheap like a small market..Im shocked their bunk mates at KSCS, The Wolf, I93 and The Ticket haven't been given the shaft as of yet. I wouldn't be surprised if those stations boot on-air talent as their contracts come up..

What I wonder is if Davis' situation is simply a heavy-handed way for Cumulus to show former Citadel staffers who's boss and what's what when it comes to contract renewals. If Davis refuses to accept and goes elsewhere, it sends a message "if we were willing to let Mark Davis walk away we sure as heck will have no problem letting you go too." If Davis caves and comes back - well that also sends a message: "Mark Davis couldn't get a better offer elsewhere - what makes you think you can?" Davis is certainly a good candidate to make such an example out of: his contract happens to be expiring, he has been a popular fixture on the station for years and, because of his previous syndicated programs and his filling in for Limbaugh, he is undoubtedly well-known in the industry and at other former Citadel properties. How many other former Citadel local personalities have similarly impressive credentials? Sure, maybe WBAP will end up paying a price in terms of lost audience. But, because WBAP is but one of many stations they now control, maybe they think such a price would be worth it.

I just feel sorry for Citadel employees who had to wake up one day and learn who and what they would now be working for.
 
Its also sad because WBAP is one of those "Legacy" stations that everyone knows, yet its been a shell of its former self for years, even before the ABC spin-off. When Bill Mack walked, You know the soul of the station had left..
 
I've listened to Mark for years and think he's a nice enough guy, but he's just a water carrying idealogue for the establishment repblican party. If he goes, oh well. I turned BAP off long enough ago it doesnt matter to me.
 
I find this passage by Mark to be interesting:

"Emotionally, I am a little surprised at how mitigated my sentiments are. I suppose it is because since the Cumulus takeover in September, the move to Dallas and the absolutely palpable change in the corporate culture and the “feel” of the place, it is as if it is not WBAP any more.

At least not the place where I did about 4,500 shows, all with the joy of working with, and for, people I profoundly respected. And loved."

And this:

"The more I learned about this company, the more I saw that the things that make a radio talk show a magnificent, magical thing to me, the things that made March 28, 1994 to March 31, 2012 the most special days of my professional life-- constitute a language they do not speak. "

This thread - and the behavior of Cumulus with regard to its promotion of the Huckabee program - made me curious enough to do some online research about the company. I am not impressed with what that research turned up. Looks to me like a house of cards - especially given the amount of debt the company is under.
 
Cumulus, like dismuke said, reminds me of a house of cards as well. Their behavior makes me wonder what'll happen w/ the other stations in the local cluster, as it seems this group is destined to ruin radio even more..Like I said previously, they remind me of a small market company having problems wearing big boy broadcast pants. Instead of keeping legacy hosts like Mark and decent syndie like Coast To Coast AM at KLIF, they're tossing them aside and programming small market/minded fare like Mike Huckabee.

To mark(because I know he reads radio-info from time to time) even though I disagree w/ your political views, you did a quality show with quality guest and a high level of professionalism. I wish you nothing but success in your new ventures.
 
mic_check said:
he's just a water carrying idealogue for the establishment repblican party. If he goes, oh well. I turned BAP off long enough ago it doesnt matter to me.
You and many others. Mark Davis is an old man and was talking to fewer and fewer older listeners.
 
In his statement, Mark Davis even admits that his job has been devoured by the very forces he celebrates. The vulture capital mentality that fuels his own ideology has done him in. Effectively he admitted that his own belief system is a suicide pact.
 
smedge2006 said:
In his statement, Mark Davis even admits that his job has been devoured by the very forces he celebrates. The vulture capital mentality that fuels his own ideology has done him in. Effectively he admitted that his own belief system is a suicide pact.

He admitted absolutely no such thing.

The world (i.e, you and me and the people reading this) doesn't owe Mark Davis a talk show. And the world doesn't owe Mark Davis a living. And he would be the first to agree.

First off, if it wasn't for those "forces" you mention, Mark Davis would never have had a talk show gig or even a mere job to lose in the first place. And if it wasn't for those "forces" two total strangers such as you and I wouldn't have computers and the vast network of Internet connectivity that enables us to communicate to one another in front of however many dozens or hundreds of strangers happen to be viewing these postings.

Those "forces" you mention ultimately boil down to people like you and me choosing which radio programs we chose to listen to or not, which advertisers we choose to patronize or not and which products and services we choose to buy or not - and everybody else adjusting their business and investment plans accordingly.

The alternative is for some authority to tell us which programs we may or may not listen to and what products and services we may or may not buy in the name of some alleged "higher good" or in the name of protecting incumbent job holders such as Davis from the fact that their services are no longer wanted or needed.

If Cumulus or any other company fails to serve its customers, it ultimately goes out of business. The alternative to this is to compel people who want nothing to do with the company to support it nevertheless. If, because of lower ratings, competition from new media or a tough economy means that advertisers are unwilling pay as much to advertise on its stations, a company such as Cumulus has no choice but to bring its expenses in line with its declining revenues or else it goes out of business. The alternative to this is to compel by means of force people who want nothing to do with the company to subsidize its losses.

In any organization somebody has to ultimately be accountable for all decisions that are made by that organization. In the case of Cumulus that somebody is the two Dickey Boys.

Is it possible that the Dickey Boys are mistaken in their decision about Mark? Yes. Top executives make mistakes - as do rank and file employees and as do customers when making buying decisions. If the Dickey Boys are mistaken with regard to Mark Davis, then those "forces" you mention will exact a price and punishment to the Dickey Boys and to Cumulus.

Is it possible that that the Dickey Boys are thoroughly repugnant, obnoxious, arbitrary pricks? Absolutely - just as there are plenty of rank and file employees who are repugnant and obnoxious and, trust me on this, LOTS of customers who can be thoroughly repugnant, obnoxious and arbitrary. If you choose to interact with other human beings, a certain percentage of them are going to be unpleasant. That is a fact of reality that every person in this world simply has to deal with. If I have to encounter an arbitrary, obnoxious prick, I would MUCH rather that person be a businessman who I am free to walk away from and have nothing to do with verses some bureaucrat who I have no choice but to deal with and whose arbitrary behavior is backed up and enforced by the police powers of the State.

Is it possible that the Dickey Boys are inept and/or irrational? Absolutely - just as there are inept and irrational rank and file employees and, trust me again, thoroughly irrational customers. But if so, then those same "forces" you mention will deflate the two Dickeys and when they go down, it is possible that all of Cumulus will go with them and its various assets will fall into the hands of someone who is hopefully more capable.

Again, the world does not owe Mark Davis or anybody else a talk show or a job. If Cumulus is not willing to provide Mark with a time slot on its station, then, if Mark Davis wishes to have a talk show, it is his responsibility to find somebody who is willing or else find a different line of work. If Cumulus offers Mark a salary that he does not find agreeable, then it is his job to either find an offer he likes better elsewhere or to accept the offer that Cumulus did put forth. And it is not your place or my place or anybody else in this world's place to determine that one of the parties is not behaving the way that we that they ought to and therefore demand that somebody come along and compel them by means of force to behave differently. Any authority that has the power to come in and micromanage and dictate how the Dickey Boys may or may not run their business necessarily has the same power to come in and micromanage and dictate how YOU may or may not run YOUR life.

And as for a "suicide pact" - it if wasn't for those "forces" Mark Davis would never have had a talk show to begin with. It is those "forces" that distinguish our standard of living from that in places such as Cuba or North Korea where life is not governed by such "forces" but rather by FORCE.
 
dismuke, you fail to acknowledge a difference between the old model of "building a business" versus the new vulture-capital model of tearing down a business and extracting the pieces. It is the latter business in which much of commercial radio is now engaged.

In this model, the listeners are not the customers. It's the bankers. The theory is that the listeners are pretty indifferent to whatever comes out of their radio. If Ben Ferguson can turn out an inferior version of boilerplate conservative rhetoric, lacking much of a choice of what comes out of their car speakers, people will listen to Ferguson. They'll probably pay him a lot less than Davis, and Cumulus comes out ahead. Much of major-market radio is now built around this model, inside and outside of Cumulus, making Davis much less likely to land a job.

As for which nasty, arbitrary overseer I'd prefer, give me one that can be removed by "one person, one vote", rather than "one share, one vote" or "one dollar, one vote"...
 
smedge2006 said:
dismuke, you fail to acknowledge a difference between the old model of "building a business" versus the new vulture-capital model of tearing down a business and extracting the pieces. It is the latter business in which much of commercial radio is now engaged.

Smedge2006, I understand and can even relate on a certain level to what you are saying. But I don't think there is any fundamental difference between the two processes you mention.

People invest their scarce and precious time, energy and hard earned money into "building a business" only because, looking into the future, they see evidence that there are opportunities for growth and a rewarding return on the time, effort and money they put into it. And I promise you that you are not going to be seeing any such "vultures" come along and tear down and pick apart companies such as Google or Apple anytime soon. These companies are flourishing Just as you don't see the kinds of vultures that have feathers circling around animals that are healthy and vibrant, you don't see the "vulture" practices you describe being done to companies and industries that are healthy and vibrant.

The kind of "vultures" you describe do their work on companies and industries that are already either in decline or are enduring a period of great change and transition. Such companies and industries, if they are to have any chance at long term survival, absolutely MUST find new and sustainable business models. ANYTIME a company or an industry is dying or going through transition, it is a VERY painful process to have to witness or be part of. The role that such "vultures" play is to prevent the entire business from dying by attempting to pick out and destroy those elements of a company that, if the present course is not reversed, WILL kill it in order to preserve those elements that at least have a chance of surviving and perhaps eventually getting back on a growth track. The other beneficial purpose they serve is they destroy elements of a business that are unsustainable in order to free up the precious, finite capital that had been used to keep them afloat so that it can be redeployed into industries that ARE sustainable and DO have prospects for growth.

The reason I say there is no fundamental difference is because, whether you are "building a business" or radically restructuring a sick business, in both cases it is a process of trying to deploy scarce capital and resources into those areas where they will be most productive and achieve the best possible return on one's efforts and money.

Terrestrial radio (like all other forms of Old Media) is NOT a growth industry. And I don't think that anybody will disagree that long term trends for the AM side of the dial in particular do NOT show signs for growth. If broadcasters continue to run their businesses in the same way that they did when things were booming for the industry, it is only a matter of time before those companies run out of money and go out of business. WHOEVER you might put in charge, the process is going to be very painful for an awful lot of people - there is simply no escaping that. The only question is who and what is sustainable and able to remain standing when all is said and done.

In this model, the listeners are not the customers. It's the bankers. The theory is that the listeners are pretty indifferent to whatever comes out of their radio. If Ben Ferguson can turn out an inferior version of boilerplate conservative rhetoric, lacking much of a choice of what comes out of their car speakers, people will listen to Ferguson. They'll probably pay him a lot less than Davis, and Cumulus comes out ahead. Much of major-market radio is now built around this model, inside and outside of Cumulus, making Davis much less likely to land a job.

That is a fair enough description. But the part you have incorrect is that listeners lack much choice of what comes out of their car speakers. They now DO have a choice - LOTS of choices - which is precisely why terrestrial radio finds itself in this spot. Let's see, they have ipods, satellite radio and, for those who have smart phones, an entire WORLD of stations offering endless choices of variety and formats that terrestrial radio could not even begin to offer. Used to be when I would drive to work, even if I didn't particularly like what the host on WBAP was talking about at the moment, I stayed tuned in so that I could hear the traffic reports. Any more, before I leave the house, I just look at the real time, crowd sourced Google Maps traffic on my smart phone and glance at it periodically throughout my trip.

As to the rest of what you describe - personally, I agree that replacing Mark with Ben is VERY short sighted and downright dumb. I personally think it is an example of being penny wise pound foolish. Based on everything I have read, I think the Dickey Boys are in over their head and too arrogant to realize it. I think they are probably going to destroy WBAP and all of the other things that Citadel/ABC/Susquehanna had going for them. Unless the company reforms and changes its approach, my opinion is that it is only a matter of time before the whole thing collapses - especially given the burden of debt it is under. I wouldn't put a penny of my money into that company - unless it was to sell the thing short.

But the fact that I agree with you on the nature of Cumulus and of the Dickeys in particular does not mean that it necessarily applies to any and every other company and executive that is in a similar position and is tasked with making similar difficult choices. A person's or an organization's liberty should NOT be contingent upon whether you and I like them or approve of the decisions they make.

I am guessing that, given the economy over the past few years, pretty much all of the dead wood at most local radio stations was cut out a long time ago. My guess is those that still have jobs in such stations do so because they are good at what they do and they hold jobs that provide some sort of value to the enterprise. In that kind of environment, pretty much ANYWHERE you end up having to reduce an expense, it is going to be painful and is going to result in the station's overall product being reduced accordingly at the risk of driving way customers. Having to make such decisions is a difficult position to be in - you are damned if you do and damned if you don't no matter what you decide. At the end of the day, however, they have to pay the bills and have to service their massive debt in order to survive. And, at the end of the day, they have to try to eek out a return on investment - i.e., a profit - to those who risked their hard earned money on the company in the first place. If companies did not do so, nobody who has money to invest would put their hard earned funds into them in the first place - they would simply hoard everything in vaults or in their mattresses.

And this is not just something exclusive to giant corporations. Mom and pop businesses have to make such decisions all the time. If you own a restaurant and find yourself in a bad economy facing rising food prices and a customer base that can no longer afford to eat out as often you are going to have some serious choices to make - all of which will result in a diminished customer experience. If your customers are unwilling to absorb a price increase then you have no choice but to make cuts. Maybe you cut staff and hope the customers won't notice or will forgive you for the deterioration in service. Or maybe you have already done that. Perhaps you make portion sizes smaller. Perhaps you substitute lower quality ingredients and water down the coffee. You don't want to do any of these things and you have already received received a number of complaints from disappointed customers - but it might be the only option open to you if you wish to hang on until conditions perhaps improve later on or some of your competitors perhaps go out of business first. The very fact that it is necessary for you to consider such drastic measures in the first place is a pretty good sign that you are not in much of a position to "grow the business."

As for which nasty, arbitrary overseer I'd prefer, give me one that can be removed by "one person, one vote", rather than "one share, one vote" or "one dollar, one vote"...

Please consider, for a moment, the implications of the above.

I am totally free to have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Cumulus. I do not HAVE to seek employment with them. I do not HAVE to invest one penny of my money into that company - and I wouldn't. I do not HAVE to listen to their stations - and given the demise of Mark and their putting the obnoxious and deranged Chris Krok on in the evenings, I am going to be spending a lot less time tuned into WBAP than I have been. And if I am so unfortunate as to be working for a company that is bought out by Cumulus and find that my working conditions have become undesirable as a result, I am free to seek out a more desirable situation elsewhere. If Cumulus implodes because of the inept management of the Dickey Boys, I have absolutely NOTHING on the line because I have wisely chosen not to be a part of it. It is a sad thing to watch - but, really, it is none of Dismuke's business.

Now, you want "one man one vote" to decide how and which people may or may not run businesses. First off, why should I, Dismuke, have ANY SAY or ANY VOTE AT ALL in how Cumulus runs its affairs? What have I contributed to the organization? The mere fact that I tune into one of their stations? My listening entitles me to an ownership stake? Perhaps I have purchased advertising on their stations. So when the company sells me advertising spots, I am somehow morally entitled to an ownership stake in the company? The very notion is absurd on its face.

You want "one man one vote" on such matters. And what if you end up on the LOSING END of such a vote? After all, there are millions of other people out there who will also have the same one vote. Do you REALLY wish to give other people that much power over every aspect of life in this country? Whatever political party you belong to - do you REALLY want to potentially give the power to pick and choose who wins and who loses in every aspect of life to the sorts of people you don't particularly care for or think highly of on the other side of the aisle?

It is simply part of life that people are going to engage in behavior and live lifestyles that you do not agree with or approve of. And businesses are going to make decisions that you do not necessarily agree with or think are wise. That is a consequence of FREEDOM. A system where the behavior of private individuals or voluntary associations of private individuals (such as companies and corporations) is subject to "one man one vote" is the exact OPPOSITE of freedom
 
smedge2006 said:
Much of major-market radio is now built around this model, inside and outside of Cumulus, making Davis much less likely to land a job.

I forgot to comment on the above in my previous posting.

You are correct, it is possible that it is less likely that Davis will land a job. Actually, he is talented enough that I am confident that he will land somewhere. But let's say that it is true.

First, and most importantly, the mere fact that Davis wants to have a talk show does NOT impose an obligation on any other human being to provide him with one. If nobody is willing to provide him with air time and a microphone and a salary to his liking - then he is going to have to find some other line of employment and perhaps do as I and countless others do and do his "radio thing" online as a hobby.

Quite frankly, a lot of very wonderful and talented people in radio have been and will be in that exact same position. And it is sad - and for many, perhaps even heartbreaking. But it is hardly anything new. Countless incredibly talented vaudeville performers found themselves in the exact same boat. A LOT of people worked those old time vaudeville circuits - and when they closed down because of the advent of motion pictures, there wasn't enough room in Hollywood or radio to absorb all of them. The same was true for silent film actors who were not able to make the transition to talkies. The same was true for voice actors from the Golden Era of radio who, for various reasons, were unable to make the transition to television. The same was true for countless big band era musicians who were no longer in demand when television sucked the life out of all the ballrooms, dinner clubs and dance halls and musical tastes changed towards smaller rock and roll combos.

Associated with all of these changes were countless and sometimes heartbreaking stories of wonderful talented people suddenly no longer being able to pursue their passion. Many had no choice but to start over in entirely different lines of work. But what was the alternative? Should theater operators have been forced to continue running vaudeville shows and silent films after their customers were no longer interested in showing up just so the performers could continue to pursue their passion? Should owners of ballrooms have been forced to subsidize money losing operations so that swing musicians wouldn't have to find some other line of work? And, if so, what should have happened after the theater and ballroom operators eventually went bankrupt as a result? Should "society" - i.e., people like you and me as well as people who chose NOT to patronize such places - have been compelled to keep them going? By what right would those performers be able to claim a mortgage on the hard earned money of individuals who had different interests and tastes?

Or should somebody have banned silent films because of the harm they did to vaudeville performers - and banned talkies because of the harm it did to silent performers - or banned television because of the harm it did to radio actors and dance band musicians - or banned rock and roll because it meant fewer opportunities to perform in and listen to swing bands?

Just because we want something does not mean that somebody else is obliged to provide it for us. Let's say that Mark wants another talk show but nobody is willing to provide it for him. That would be sad. But for every Mark Davis in this world who has had a talk show, consider how many other people out there have wanted to break into talk radio and have their own show and tried really hard to do so and never even got a chance to sit behind a mike. Should somebody have provided them with air time and a radio microphone just because they wanted it really really badly? If not, then how would Mark's wanting to land another talk show be any different?

It is a simple fact of life that we very often do NOT get what we want. And while this may be frustrating, sad and even heartbreaking at times, there is nothing at all "unfair" about it. What is profoundly unfair is the notion that some people's wishes and desires somehow impose a mortgage over the life and assets of other human beings who want no part of it.
 
I just KNEW Cumulus would ruin WBAP, I just knew it.

That being said, Im putting my bets on KSKY picking him up.

Or heck maybe even 1190.
 
Total guess on my part:

WBAP was the big leagues. Heavy Hitter in a top 5 market.
Mark Davis was the best in DFW. Nope, not a Rush Limbaugh, but a long way from Abilene.
In 18 years Mark Davis was probably making a good salary. Maybe not as much as Russ Martin at 105.3, but closer to that than what Pugs used to pull down.

There are a lot of guys like Mark Davis in radio; maybe some young ones that lack the experience and the pollish, but have potential.

Mark is going to need to either go to work for a network, or a big flagship in a large market.
No-one else has the coin and the desire to part with it.

It is sad to say, but his career may have peaked.

Hate to say this. I enjoyed his show and think it was the best local radio talk show in the market.

--bud
 
No offense to John David Welles...he is also local and puts on a good show, not as 'cerebral' as Mark Davis

You will note that in my book 660 KSKY is not a 'heavy hitter'...not in the same league as WBAP.

--bud
 
No offense taken Bud....

Make no mistake...The record is clear:

Mr. Mark Davis is the Undisputed, Undefeated (I know...I've tried), Heavyweight Champion of Dallas/Ft. Worth Spoken-Word Radio. For 18 years...Mark's Cerebral Musings of all things Republican have served his neighbors, this community, and his Sponsors very, very well.

To that end....Based on having actually seen the peculiar stylings of Cumulus Management for myself; up close....there are a few real world issues I'd like to point out regarding their public dealings with Mark Davis:

  • First....While the cerebral musings of Dismuke regarding the rights and reason of Broadcast Corporations are completely on point, in my view they have nothing to do with the Cumulus Business Model. My opinion is: Cumulus is nothing more than a thinly-disguised stock manipulation destined for two things: An inevitable, spectacular financial meltdown with investors recouping their money and profits by selling off the foreclosed on stations. And the Dickey Brothers and their associates cashing out in the best traditions of Vulture Capitalism. (Taylor On Radio-Info: "Lew Dickey Became The 20-Million Dollar Man in 2011"--)
  • Second, Mark said it beautifully: "....the things that make a radio talk show a magnificent, magical thing to me...[and demonstrably, the Listeners]...constitute a language they do not speak." Exactly. In my view, in its hot and narrow pursuit of funding for their individual bucket lists, it is now irrefutably proven that Cumulus management at every level has lost even their endemic small-market capability of hearing superb, professional, or even adequate On-Air Radio performance, and are therefore incapable of discerning any professional success of their Employees....in Professional Competence, Ratings Achievement, and even Revenue Earnings, at any level.
  • Further....Regardless of how many times "The Big Lie" gets told: "Radio is a business!" Even the most cursory logical examination of that statement's meaning leads to the inevitable degenerating pathology of it....If Radio is a business then who are it's customers? Stockholders? Advertising Clients? Capitol Investors? Where do Listeners fit in? Radio is a Service....To the Listeners....To the Communities....To the Nation.
  • And Finally....Again, only in my professional opinion....the story of Mark Davis' dismissal while at the top of the Ratings, Market, and Revenue in Market #5 provides an obvious, and ominous warning to every On-Air Broadcaster, at every level, in every Cumulus Market: When Talent, Performance, Ratings, and Revenue are immaterial....There is no path to continuing success within Cumulus for On-Air Radio Broadcasters.

From one former Cumulus On-Air Broadcaster to another? Sharpen your skills. Update your resume. Find other work.

The clock is ticking.

Jon-David Wells
The Wells Report
c: May 2012
 
..........there was a time "bottom line broadcasting" had balance with professional presentation [talent & engineering]. Sadly, we are seeing the end of that. The larger question now is what is broadcasting's new direction?
 
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