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Mark Levin Is Going To Save Sesame Street.

johnbasalla said:
Looking at the television landscape, networks like "Animal Planet", "The History Channel", "National Geographic", Travel channels, and others are doing what used to be exclusive to PBS.

You obviously haven't watched them lately. They've all become filled with reality TV shows, all aimed at adults. No quality educational programming any more. Even National Geographic and Discovery. They're all courting the mighty dollar. Once Bravo and A&E offered quality arts programming. Not any more. We need broadcasting outlets who believe in serving the public, not stockholders and advertisers.
 
The constitution(s) and missions of the public broadcasters should keep them different then their commercial counterparts. Instead of going after strict advertising, they will continue to go after corporate donations and membership money. The "Underwriting" thing is more and more sounding and looking like commercial content anyway. I say set them free. I'd like to see public broadcasters be allowed to do a combination of regular commercial ad sales while continuing to work towards corporate grants and memberships. No government money involved.
 
johnbasalla said:
I'd like to see public broadcasters be allowed to do a combination of regular commercial ad sales while continuing to work towards corporate grants and memberships. No government money involved.

Ad sales means they will be competing against commercial broadcasters. The NAB will never allow it. There's not enough advertising money to keep all the commercial stations alive. This will just lead to more lay-offs in broadcasting, and less public service. Not a good idea. Someone needs to be providing public service.
 
You can't really compare cable channels to over-the-air Public Broadcasting.

First, one has to pay for cable-----some people can't afford it,--- so PBS steps in to help educate, inform and enlighten and even inspire the less fortunate to be the best that they can be! I would consider that pretty good seed money.
 
Al Timiter said:
I would consider that pretty good seed money.

I think most Americans would agree. But the Repubs don't believe in government investing in infrastructure, and would eliminate the Department of Education.
 
Amongst Republicans and Conservatives, which is the bigger issue with public broadcasting ... the need to cut spending to work towards balancing the budget or not wanting taxpayer money going towards news coverand and documentaries that have a pro-liberal bias?
 
Al Timiter said:
I would consider that pretty good seed money.

I would consider seed money something that is no longer necessary once the seed sprouts into a self-sufficient plant.
 
wadio said:
I would consider seed money something that is no longer necessary once the seed sprouts into a self-sufficient plant.

The Public Broadcasting Act of 1967 didn't consider the federal appropriation to be seed money. It was seen as an on-going appropriation. Same with subsequent revisions to the Act. The majority of the money, by the way, isn't for national programming, but rather grants for radio and TV stations around the country. That's why Congress has renewed funding for 45 years, and why they will continue to fund it, regardless of what a candidate says in a debate.
 
TheBigA said:
wadio said:
I would consider seed money something that is no longer necessary once the seed sprouts into a self-sufficient plant.

The Public Broadcasting Act of 1967 didn't consider the federal appropriation to be seed money. It was seen as an on-going appropriation. Same with subsequent revisions to the Act. The majority of the money, by the way, isn't for national programming, but rather grants for radio and TV stations around the country. That's why Congress has renewed funding for 45 years, and why they will continue to fund it, regardless of what a candidate says in a debate.

YOU called it seed money, not me!
 
OK, got it. :)

Guess the bottom line is that there's no consensus about this issue. NPR and PBS programming doesn't inspire, inform or entertain me and I don't want to pay for it.

I could argue that people with very low incomes would be better served by listening to programs like Dave Ramsey (who I also can't stand but at least I don't have to pay for him) so that they might learn to better manage their money so that they would no longer need assistance in accessing Public Broadcasting.

But that would be politically incorrect, so I won't. ;)
 
wadio said:
NPR and PBS programming doesn't inspire, inform or entertain me and I don't want to pay for it.

You piss away $1 a year. That's how much you spend on public broadcasting. In the process, it provides a public service that the commercial broadcasting companies stopped doing 30 years ago. That's the price we pay for corporate profits in this country.
 
Private corporations piss away lots of money on underwriting Public Broadcasting. That's how it should be funded, not mandatory taxpayer money, no matter how miniscule. BTW, $1 a year from every taxpayer in the country is excessive, I'd say. "Public service" is in the eye/ear of the beholder.
 
wadio said:
"Public service" is in the eye/ear of the beholder.

No, public service is in the eye of the FCC. For 45 years, commercial radio stations have been ignoring their public service obligations. Public broadcasting was specifically created by Congress to solve this problem. Read the Public Broadcasting Act of 1967. Commercial broadcasters are bound by ratings and advertisers. Public broadcasters aren't. The government funding makes up the difference.
 
Commercial broadcasters are bound by ratings and advertisers. Public broadcasters aren't.

That's simply not true. Public Broadcasting affiliates may not be bound to the extent that commercial stations are but, make no mistake, there's consideration given to underwriters and "major donors" when making programming and news decisions. The people who work for Public Radio are human beings. Their decisions are affected, consciously or unconsciously by the sources that fund their paychecks. That's not an indictment, it's just how it is.

Look, let's end this pissing contest. I won't convince you and you definitely won't convince me. Regardless of who wins the White House we taxpayers will continue to shell out a dollar here, a dollar there, until as Everett Dirksen said, "we're talking about real money." I expect to be squandering that annual dollar on Public Broadcasting for the rest of my lifetime.
 
wadio said:
Their decisions are affected, consciously or unconsciously by the sources that fund their paychecks. That's not an indictment, it's just how it is.

Originally, the public broadcasting system was funding mainly by government money. That was to keep ratings and commercial interests out of the mix. Then Reagan came in and cut the budget in half. That's what led to the current situation. Every time they give up government money, they become more and more like commercial broadcasters. That means they get all the advantages plus they don't pay taxes, and corporate grants become tax deductions. That puts commercial stations at a disadvantage. CBS would prefer that it's WBZ was the ONLY news station in Boston. Hubbard would prefer that WTOP didn't have to compete with WAMU in Washington. But that's not the case. When you remove government funding from public broadcasters, it distracts them from their original mission of serving the public, and places them more in competition with commercial operators.

And there are lots of other examples of this, taking the FCC from an agency that served the public into an agency that sells spectrum space to commercial operators. How did that help the people? The FCC no longer regulates broadcasters because it costs too much. They don't have engineers on staff, just lawyers. When we turn the government into a for-profit organization, rather than one that serves the people, it becomes corrupted by money. That's the direction we've been moving in since Reagan. It's more expensive the other way. But look what we the people give up. Everyone's all for making government cheaper, but we don't see all that we lose.

My point is the small amount of government money the public broadcasters still receive is the one thing that keeps them on mission, and keeps them from advertising candy and toys during Sesame Street. That's what this is about. Keeping the wolf out of the hen house. Or else there is no public service, there is no culture, there is no art, there is no education, and everything is aimed at the lowest common denominator, as we already have in commercial broadcasting. As I've been saying throughout this thread, if you believe that Clear Channel and Cumulus are doing a great job in running radio, then you're right that public broadcasting should become more like them. But if you believe we need and deserve an alternative to another ten hits in a row, to radio stations with no news departments and no local staffs, then the money has to come from someone other than advertisers and corporations, and the only other place is the government.
 
I'm the one who called the money spent on PBS as "seed money." To clarify: I didn't mean that the money was to help PBS grow necessarily as much as was meant to help the people it serves
grow into more educated, enlightened and inspired individuals.
That's a real investment (seed money).

I understand that some of you don't think that is a function of government. I do.
 
TheBigA said:
...the small amount of government money the public broadcasters still receive is the one thing that... keeps them from advertising candy and toys during Sesame Street...

Somehow I don't think we're that far away where they'll introduce product placement on the show...
 
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